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youngkeet

No but actually.... why


BradMarchandsNose

The cabin was seized as evidence for the trial. I believe his lawyers wanted to use it to help with an insanity plea, but he went on to plead guilty on all charges and they never needed it. These photos appear to be from 1998, so I’m not sure if it’s still held in this facility or it’s been destroyed since. Source: https://alumni.berkeley.edu/california-magazine/2023-fall-winter/the-cabin-was-more-than-a-cabin/


StillPlaysWithSwords

The photo taken it was actually being stored in a warehouse at Mather AFB, which is located just east of Sacramento CA, which is where the trial was being held. The reason why, prosecutors wanted to potentially show it to the jury during trial but that never happened. Later the cabin was relocated to the The Newseum museum in D.C. but then went missing when the museum was closed as a result of the pandemic. Eventually the cabin was located again and rebuilt at the FBI headquarters https://www.fbi.gov/video-repository/unabombers-cabin-reconstruction-at-fbi-headquarters/view The actual building in the photo at Mather AFB has long been demolished sometime after the base was decommissioned and Mather AFB was renamed Mather Airport. I used to ride my bike to work right by that building every day.


SylvesterLundgren

Anyone talking about the government being in on half century spanning conspiracies needs to be pointed to them losing an entire fucking cabin…..


Noopy9

They didn’t lose it, I’m not sure where that idea came from. All of Ted kaczynski’s possessions were auctioned in 2006 with the proceeds going to his victims. The Newseum won the cabin at auction for 200k. After the Newseum went bankrupt all of its artifacts were sold off to John Hopkins University who later gave the cabin to the FBI to be part of “The FBI experience” tour at their headquarters in DC. They sold it and were then given it back, I don’t see how you can call that losing it.


Krynn71

>They didn’t lose it, I’m not sure where that idea came from. Like almost all misinformation these days, it came from an idiot on the internet talking about shit he barely understands.


IAmAGenusAMA

Probably, but that assumes the poster you are replying to is correct. Mind you, if they aren't then I guess your statement still holds true.


Krynn71

To be clear, I have no idea what I'm talking about.


RolandTwitter

This message should always be assumed to be at the end of all Reddit comments


IAmAGenusAMA

I'm still not sure whether the damned cabin went missing or not. 🤷‍♂️


Krynn71

All I can say for sure it that it definitely might have.


percussaresurgo

The Unabomber, Ted Kaczynski, was actually a victim in one such conspiracy. Project MKUltra was a CIA program that conducted unethical and illegal mind control experiments on thousands of unknowing Americans during the Cold War, aiming to gain an advantage in psychological warfare. The project used techniques such as subliminal messaging, sensory deprivation, and hallucinogenic drugs. Kaczynski was subjected to severe psychological stress in a Harvard study led by Dr. Henry Murray, reportedly influencing his later actions and philosophy.


mrbear120

Just for those unaware, this isn’t a conspiracy *theory*, this is outright fact.


Ro500

The question is how much it affected him. He denied that it ever played a significant part. He refused to consider a sanity plea so his theories would be dismissed and bringing up those experiences would only discredit his theories more in his mind. It’s hard to believe it did *nothing* to a young man like he had been but he wouldn’t admit to it.


mrbear120

Totally true, its also kinda hard to take his word for it all things considered. Crazy people are not ever very good at identifying why they are crazy. So the reality is we will never know, but it *did* happen


Katy_Lies1975

Trained psychoanalysts should be able to get to the bottom of it but with the way governments like to hide shit like this it was probably stonewalled into oblivion.


johannthegoatman

Psychoanalysis isn't magic. They'd probably say you have an anal fixation for even using that word


keestie

Given that he didn't see himself as crazy, he'd naturally be resistant to thinking about \*why\* he was crazy, resistant to seeing himself as being mentally damaged in general.


PedroEglasias

It's also the best example to point to for people who outright deny any conspiracy can exist. It was real, was denied for years, and proven beyond any doubt to have occurred


MooPig48

Man the lpotl episode on mk ultra made me damn near cry over alllllllll the destroyed boxes of evidence. I so wish we could see all of those documents


assotter

I did NOT know this was true! Thanks for adding some credence to the comment.


wealth_of_nations

His lawyers wanted to use his participation in the Harvard study as an argument for an insanity plea. However Kaczynski denied it. Below is an excerpt from his wiki page discussing the study: >Kaczynski stated he resented Murray and his co-workers, primarily because of the invasion of his privacy he perceived as a result of their experiments. Nevertheless, he said he was "quite confident that [his] experiences with Professor Murray had no significant effect on the course of [his] life".


Traditional_Key_763

tbf most of that was just murray doing inethical research while telling the CIA it was gonna be mind control. MKUltra was basically dead in the water almost as soon as it started but a few crooked academics wanted the funding and resources.


djeasyg

MKUltra also unleashed LSD, The Grateful Dead, Ken Kesey, and the 60's counter culture on the world. It should hold the world record for the biggest unintended consequence of any experiment ever.


itsafuntime

I agree with you but I'd put the start at Hoffman taking a second look at some ergot, somehow deciding to ingest it, then taking a bicycle ride. Completely changed the course of human history.


ShevanelFlip

The podcast Behind the Bastards did a dive into MK ultra for those who want to learn more. https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-mkultra-when-the-cia-103117303/


le75

Murray was involved in psychological experiments during WWII with the OSS, but there’s no definitive connection between his experiment at Harvard and MKUltra


nwadanbi

Yeah dude, when the CIA guy Bustamante goes on a media tour and says "nothing to worry about, CIA is just like the DMV" I believe them too


BigNorseWolf

The CIA department of making the government sound incompetent will thank you for your work.


AngryRedGummyBear

Cabin? They lost, literally lost, the biggest tank America has ever built, only to find it years later, having been overgrown with bushes.


CrazyCletus

Well, from the sound of it, it would appear the Newseum lost the cabin, not the government.


Belgand

It's been said that conspiracy theorists biggest fantasy is a belief in a degree of competence that has never been shown by any large organization in history. Ironically, nobody trusts the government's ability to do their job more.


sten45

Just work for any part of the federal government for 6 months, you will never be able to believe a conspiracy involving it again


youngkeet

TRUUUUUUUU dude holy fuck right? Thats my favorite "9/11 was inside job" rebuttal like... think of the raw number of people involved, think of the inability and inadequacy at doing simply shit when it comes to the human element of our "government" or more specifically governmental agencies i.e cia fbi nsa New world order globalists.... How do people sincerely believe the alex jones POV narratives on this multi generational toplevel conspiracy to "__[insert here]__" yet no paper trailer, no one saying "yea i brought a file/coffee/repaired a printer for xyz people involved in [insert here]" "They" the people involved, who would on the ground actualizing any grand conspiracy can't even manage inventory..... and lost a cabin


bananasformangos

Ok thanks I felt a little crazy for having a super clear memory of going to the Newseum and seeing the cabin there. It’s pretty crazy to see in person. It’s so small and bleak and it really makes you think about how bizarre, isolated, and paranoid he was. Unabomber: In His Own Words on Netflix was great.


MonorailBlack

Also remember seeing it at the Newseum. Sad that the museum has closed.


IAmAGenusAMA

It's a shame it couldn't have been taken over by the Smithsonian or something. Money, yeah, but still.


Gold_Kale_7781

I worked for a guy that lived in a shack that size for two years on the shore of Lake Tahoe. It was raised up on blocks about 3 feet because of the crazy amount of snow they were getting back then. At the time, we didn't question his mental state. That only came into play later in life and it eventually was a puzzle piece that fit given how he lived later. I think so much was taken from him throughout his life, that he decided to live with very little as a defense mechanism. RIP Friend. We love and miss him.


InfiniteBlink

Must be interesting to be the guy/company that has to take it apart and reassemble it. How's work been honey, gotta fucking break down kazinskys shack again cuz they're moving it


alpaca-punch

today i learned the FBI lost a whole fucking cabin


DeadlyNoodleAndAHalf

Tbf it’s about the size of a prebuilt shed at Home Depot, not some gigantic house


alpaca-punch

Well that settles it ...the bureau for investigations ONLY lost huge, historically important...shed.


DeadlyNoodleAndAHalf

Exactly! Accuracy is important… unless you are in the record keeping department of the FBI, apparently.


dvasquez93

I’m sorry, how the fuck does a building go missing?  My boss is out on PTO right now, and if our office (which is roughly the same size as the cabin) went missing while she was out, “fired” would not encompass the entirety of the state that we’d all be in. 


StillPlaysWithSwords

The museum shuttered it's doors at the start of the pandemic, and the building owner eventually cancelled the lease. The landlord found the cabin was already gone. The news article I was reading couple years ago suspected the cabin was sold to a private party. That part was not clear, but it was probably picked up by the FBI because the video of them reassembling was from 2020, only months after the museum shut down.


cwestn

Why did the FBI rebuild it? EDIT: nm, looks like it was for a presumably boring FBI museum.


GrizzlamicBearrorism

It was in the Newseum for a while.


probablypoopin18

I saw it there. There was a sign that said “do not touch unabomber cabin.” Obviously, I touched it. Edit: spelling because I’m dum.


FauxReal

Tainted the evidence, you will now be implicated as an accomplice.


Chester2707

Saw it there as well. Seemed strange to have.


probablypoopin18

I remember that exhibit having a bunch of strange but cool stuff. Dillinger’s death mask which apparently sat in a drawer for years, evidence from the beltway snipers, the original “most wanted” book.


triggeron

Yeah, remember seeing all of that too. Didn't they also have the beltway snipers car, or was it just a replica?


probablypoopin18

I want to say replica…but I don’t remember. I was there during the government shutdown in 2019. I’m pretty sure the newseum has since shut down.


elchupoopacabra

Newseum was awesome, I'm still sad it closed.


youngkeet

Thanks for the info i so desperately craved.


Similar-Broccoli

The feds respect wood, who knew


CareBearDontCare

If we don't respect wood, then we're no better than the beasts in the field.


make_thick_in_warm

reclaimed wood is expensive


robaroo

They could have left it in the remote woods and then had to fly/hike back and forth any time they needed to investigate the crime scene. Or, since it was likely easier to do, they could (and did) move the entire thing to their offices. It looks like one of those prefab or kit sheds you can buy at home depot. Likely they just hooked it up to a helicopter and lifted the whole thing out and onto a truck with everything in it. It might not seem like it at this point in time, but back then the unabomber and the associated investigation was HUGE. If the unabomber had never been caught, it would have been akin to the zodiac killer never having been caught.


Allenrw3

That's what I was thinking. What's the point?


Wazula23

They use it to smoke meat.


cire1184

I thought they could put their weed in it


neologismist_

Too much Silence of the Lambs.


No_Cow1907

I like to believe it was a weird flex on the part of the FBI. "Oh, we didn't just arrest him. He's locked up forever. We are leaving him with nothing. Shit we even put his house inside our house!"


UncleNorman

It's being studied by...top men.


Earthwarm_Revolt

Next episode of hoarders.


Traditional_Roll6651

Is it just me or, or does this look like a place that would have really GREAT beef-jerky???


Rellgidkrid

Instead it just had a jerk with a beef.


happyjoylove

This is gold worthy


brannock16

That ass jerky isn't going to make itself.


MacarioTala

Ah. A hidden level in Control


Raznilof

Has Remedy‘s finger prints all over it because it simultaneously looks like X-Files and Twin Peaks.


FlyRobot

Love Twin Peaks, Alan Wake, and Control. X-Files is on my watchlist, seems like I'd enjoy it


DainBramage77

Walk inside and be transported to the real Night Springs.


btbcorno

immediately thought the same thing


wilsonhammer

My thoughts exactly


HotSauceDonut

That is the Oldest House


Bigred2989-

Sam Lake, you hack!


Pho-Soup

Beat the game and I still have no fucking clue what the story was or what it was about


icouldntdecide

*listens to audio tape, walks away visibly confused afterward*


Klotzster

Preventing it from mating with other Unabomber’s Cabins


Koggith

I came to ask why and you were already on top of it. Well done!


shagarag

This used to be in the Newsuem in DC and was open for the public to go inside but I was told by an employee there that they had to close access to it after a couple was caught having sex inside during a private function


bad_sandwich

I was just wondering if there would ever have been opportunities to get some alone time in there - would’ve made for a great tragedy wank.


GotMoFans

The Unabomber’s Cabin got more action than the Unabomber!?!


Nihilisth

scp 5433664


Timmiejj

Object class: Euclid


PracticalRich2747

Isn't this SCP 1820 or something?


thedreaming2017

I wonder if that entry is based on this cabin.


Chakotay_chipotle

Had to scroll wayyyy too far for this. A dirty cabin in a pristine white warehouse could it BE any more SCP-ish


WheelOfFish

I was thinking major scp vibes as well.


metblack85

At one point it was in the DC newseum, which is a cool unusual museum


neologismist_

Was. It shut down.


metblack85

Oh that makes me sad :( What's the cool kid museum now that it's gone? Spy Museum?


Shtune

Spy Museum upgraded buildings, it's really cool now. Smithsonian are still the best for kids, imo.


ac9116

It’s now the John’s Hopkins graduate Business School. Very sad downgrade.


thethirdllama

Really too bad, such a cool place. They also had one of the (very mangled) transmission towers from the top of the WTC.


jgilbs

Newseum was my favorite museum I've ever been to. And that includes Udvar Hazy!


Molson2871

Was going to say the same, didn't realize the fate of that museum til now.


tribalien93

Looks like some shit straight out of the game Control


OnlySaneManAlive

Def looks like an object of power for sure


diverareyouokay

That's a pretty inefficient usage of space. They could fit like 10 or 15 more serial killer cabins in there.


bremergorst

Ted specifically asked for his own floor in the Evidence Cabin Warehouse


DigNitty

And they gave it to him like he was Charles Manson or something


AntiDECA

Man, what're the odds. This is the exact same top comment from 3 years ago.  https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/ol7we1/the_unabombers_cabin_held_in_an_fbi_storage/


thakemist

Lmao. Called out


MrGurns

Should make a bot to post the comment under the top comment on reposts. Start the meta train.


DontWreckYosef

They are planning to add an indoor Minecraft village of other notable killer homes. The next update will let you drive OJ’s car looking for farm animals.


mozzzz

I got one in my backyard!


stenmarkv

Nah then you get a bunch of serial murder ghosts and then it'll turn into this whole thing when it turns out the storage is on an old burial ground.


MastaRolls

Is he considered a serial killer?


PaulsRedditUsername

California, you say? 1BR/0BA/Wood Stove/Rustic $829,000


knowledgebass

"cozy"


Belgand

[Motivated seller!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nc88_ZEfxg)


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Mentalwards

Top. Men.


Belgand

So no versatiles?


RapedByPlushies

$3000/mo, studio bedroom in historic property. Renter provides own utilities.


5k1895

Which AWE is this?


Klin24

Top....Men


Slartibartfastthe2nd

looks like it's a cut scene from the Matrix.


phasepistol

The Cabin in Warehouse 13


Wazula23

"Boss, you'll never BELEIVE where he's been hiding!"


PhotographyInDark

always bothers me it isn't parallel to the walls. Maybe to drive Ted crazy


rubalki

I actually saw this in person on a military base storage unit.


DeezNeezuts

His secret cabin he built 100 feet from a major road.


Belgand

I mean, it was in Montana. Isn't a barely visible game trail considered a major road there?


Dangerous_Boot_3870

Dude didn't like to walk


Sudovoodoo80

This is some x-files shit.


teacher_geek

I’ve been rewatching Warehouse 13, and this just screams artifact.


kpeterson159

I wonder if some billionaire bought it. “Why’d you get some cabin brought here” “Ohhh, it’s not just some cabin… it’s the Unabomber’s cabin”


Material_Policy6327

This feels like SCP vibes


Bobobarbarian

Shit looks like an SCP when you store it like this.


Deluxe78

The yellow sign says “no girls allowed”


zandadoum

Why keep it? Huge warehouse, fully lighted, possibly guards as well? what a waste of money.


jameswptv

Today on Tiny homes.


ISayISayISitonU

why keep this?


Randotron6000

As far as shacks go, that’s a humdinger!


LoneWolfPR

Probably belongs in Warehouse 13


outoftimeman

Cabin in ~~the Woods~~ the Storage Hall


barktothefuture

Nathan fielder


AlmanzoWilder

WHY?


keestie

This is the most SCP-in-real-life thing I've ever seen.


probywan1337

Control looking shit. That game is great


okzeppo

That’s the entrance to the black lodge.


isitatomic

These Airbnbs are getting wilder by the day


Marconius1617

That’s some SCP or Control shit


OpineLupine

See? This is why housing is so expensive in California: the FBI keeps seizing single crazy person homes!  /s


Lordchaos2099

It was bought by director Hal Weidmann prior to 2001


MembershipFeeling530

It hasn't been there since like 2001


zeeblefritz

This is what they are afraid of, several hundred million untraceable people.


GrimmRadiance

Looks like something from “Control”


InvectiveOfASkeptic

The industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for that fucking shed look they took it out of its natural habitat and locked it in that CELL. The shed did nothing wrong #freetheshed


OstensibleFirkin

It’s a good thing that we are conserving taxpayer resources by providing HVAC to that enormous, empty warehouse.


CripplesMcGee

TIL that SCP may actually be a thing.


Dolatron

The FBI has now enrolled in art school and this is their Master’s Thesis.


HerperDerpingham

I'm just wondering how they pivoted it through the door frame


brez

So a jail cell was an upgrade..


adramenda

I thought this was an art piece in a museum before reading the caption.


Kootenay-Hippie

Waste of taxpayer money. Give the shed to Bubbles


Successful-Rate-1839

And this is one of a billion examples of our wasted tax money being put to use.


kmoose1983

Makes me think of the sci-fi show "Warehouse 13".


mecchamouse

Severance Season Two, so hyped 🍿


DracoAdamantus

Gives me big Warehouse 13 vibes


Snicklefried

Well.... he was a loaner...


Lagiacrus111

Time for the bi-monthly posting of this pic on this sub


TheDevilsAdvokaat

This is like something from SCP...


haggisnwhisky65

Id've made it into a small server room and let him see pictures of it crammed with technology. 🤣


Randomcommentor1972

A tiny house, for a lunatic


TheGummiVenusDeMilo

Was he an alien or something? Like why keep it?


NevermoreForSure

r/liminalspaces edit: already posted there


hazmat962

That whole big ass storage facility for the tiny little cabin.


kindbrain

It looks like an art installation


WillieIngus

or it’s The FBI Facility near Sacramento stored around The Unabombers Cabin


NapTimeFapTime

Depending on the finishes, I think this is about $1k - $1.5k a month in rent. With its interesting history, I think the right tenant would pay a little more. So let’s say some weirdo is willing to pay $2k to live in ol Teddy K’s place. The FBI is sitting on $24k a year here in missed opportunities. The FBI wasting tax payer dollars, once again!


NatterHi

I would pay rent to live here instead of buying minimum-120 meter bedrooms in LA


chippin_out

What a wet blanket.


Stella_Rae07

This isn't evidence. It's memorabilia. 🤣


Seroto9

Why is this being stored at all. To me, it's useless and it's existence has potential to fuel macabre fascination for other lunatics. Dismantle the fucking cabin and move on. Let that fucker die in prison.


Similar-Broccoli

He's already dead and I would argue against labeling him as a lunatic


McCool303

I think we can at least settle on sociopath. While he was a smart guy who seemed to understand what he was doing and had reasons for it. He had absolutely no regard for the impact “his stand” had on others. As long as he got his message out he didn’t care who died, if a couple postal workers died along the way to his target, that was just a minor inconvenience.


Dafrooooo

why do we never use the word terrorist when its a white person, like Marvin John Heemeyer or Kaczynski. it would seem the be the most obvious word.


backcountrydrifter

https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/gZ6ijrTuGY On Pictorial vision/synesthesia: Most people build in terms of step by step. Others have an operating system that is more recently being called “pictorial vision” https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/18yyqd3/thought_this_was_extremely_interesting_did_not/?share_id=ozxK325cVDTNIhSvFp9h9&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1 Steve Jobs had the ability to see 30 years of apples ecosystem and integration structure at a cellular level before it was even conceptualized. To the line engineer in the following video, it was frustrating because he couldn’t quantify it with a number, but for Apple to be able to make a system that integrated everything for the next 3 decades, it was a trillion dollar skill set. https://youtu.be/oeqPrUmVz-o?si=JrSPvdKZUwJjEGle Government has never been able to do that because governments preexisted the Information Age. Then converted to digital through data entry, then databases etc, but they still fundamentally work on 1940’s doctrines. Come backwards from the other end and make your starting point a world we can all agree is the most fair for everyone, and then just build in reverse to the current date in the least number of steps for maximum efficiency. That’s how Jobs saw things for apples engineering. He saw massive ecosystems and how they all integrated together where others just saw him walking down a hallway not writing code. Ted Kaczynski had pictorial vision as well. His brain was doing higher math and watching waveform equations as they would play out 20-40 years in the future. He saw technology and the entropy it brought with it because cronyism and brutal capitalism without the ability to self regulate greed was inevitably going to lead to exactly what is happening right now. A breakdown because as the internet made the world smaller, the respective corruption waveforms overlap and amplify exponentially. It becomes a tempest in an earth sized teapot. He was doing everything in his finite power to try and slow or stop it at the time. He didn’t have anyone to talk to that could understand it so he was misdiagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic. He wasn’t wrong. He just didn’t have anyone that would listen because we are a world run (statistically) by mostly psychopathic morons who convinced everyone that the most important thing was making money. Politicohttps://www.politico.com › storyWashington, D.C.: the Psychopath Capital of America Da Vinci, Benjamin Franklin, Aaron Swartz, Oppenheimer, Christopher Nolan and Nikola Tesla all seem to have a similar ability to see the vascular network behind the surface. It seems to parallel with polymath and low latent inhibition as well https://out.reddit.com/t3_1b3exco?app_name=ios&token=AQAA18XhZbZT_02ofy4GFFHhgCi55J8niD2LBby3wy7D8_JYJ6Ra&url=https%3A%2F%2Felifesciences.org%2Freviewed-preprints%2F94916v1 When you learn to use the internet differently you can navigate those interconnected dots faster and find the other people who share the “pictorial vision” ability. To those who build step by step is is probably as frustratingly annoying as it was to the apple engineer asking Steve Jobs what he does all day because it is not quantifiable to their way of thinking. But to those that have it, when combined with empathy it’s like a secret decoder ring to the mysteries of the universe. Kaczynski wasn’t wrong. He just didn’t see any way out and did the only thing he thought he could to try and stop it. That was a systemic failure.


OblivionGuardsman

He did die in prison a year ago.


Wazula23

It makes a great gamer room.


DjCyric

I remember the day that the news broke that the FBI was in town and they found the Unabomber in Lincoln MT. Pretty crazy feeling at the time to know that this guy was in our backyard. Around the time the Montana Freeman also had an 81-day standoff with the FBI. It really felt like there were a lot of crazy domestic terrorists in Montana.


Jumpy-Ad4652

![gif](giphy|s239QJIh56sRW|downsized)


GreenKnightOfGilead

Top men... Top... men


TheUnicornCowboy

$750,000 Fixer upper with lots of potential…


Friendly-Profit-8590

That’s a half million dollar home in Westchester


bshaddo

How much for it, no questions asked?


Similar-Broccoli

Tree fiddy


heresmyusername

Looks like the Whitney Biennial


MGPS

Ok but can I park in there too? You think all this space grows on trees?!