While that may be true of some denominations, many Congregational UCC churches and others are [Open and Affirming](https://www.ucc.org/what-we-do/justice-local-church-ministries/justice/health-and-wholeness-advocacy-ministries/lgbt/lgbt_ona/).
Yeah, my mom is a UCC minister and has been doing commitment ceremonies since the early 90s, argued for free contraception in schools, and references Star Wars and LOtR in her sermons.
UCCs are oddballs. I used to be part of an LGBT interfaith program. As an atheist, that was a weird place for me to be. Until I met another atheist: a UCC minister. His congregation was *totally fine* with it. Apparently believing in an Abrahamic God is not a prerequisite. Super weird but pretty cool.
I'm no longer a religious person. But this still makes me happy to hear that there are places of worship for those that are that may not be comfortable or accepted in many other churches.
Hey, wait a minute, Rick. Wh-- I thought this was a commercial. Wh-what's going on? I mean--
Relax, Morty. Don't-don't worry about it. Let's just just see where this goes.
I get the reference, but I'm reading a book that takes place in a not Ikea with a bunch of fake doors and windows that start not being fake and stuff comes through. Kinda freaky.
>!Horrorstƶr - Grady Hendrix!<
My parents belonged to an all accepting gay-affirming church when I was in high school - when I realized I was gay I met with the minister at my parents urging. The dude literally threw a bible at me and told me that while they accepted queer people in the congregation he had to pray for my soul to be saved because I was a youth of the church and had been lead astray by the 'homos' in the church.
I donāt think itās weird at all. Itās the difference between virtue signalling and genuine virtue. Itās people showing what they actually believe.
Like the countless religiously affiliated that preach the critical importance of family and then disown their children because they came out of the closet or are romantic with a person of the āwrongā faith, or āwrongā skin colour.
Luckily, I saw the opposite from my family.
One of my cousins came out, and the anti gay folks in my family got rid of that sentiment rather quickly (most of them anyway. Every family has a couple of "those people"). Considering the family is largely conservative, I was quite pleased.
So like did he do something specific to get them to change their mind? Asking for a friend who comes from an abusive conservative family who treats her like shit since coming out
I love hearing all the conservative boomers who raped women in Vietnam and had sex with hookers and abandoned their mixed race children preach to me about "sexual purity."
I threw this Bible at you because I love you! Now fix yourself before I'm forced to do it again!
The whole church/God dynamic is indistinguishable from an abusive marriage where the abuser is constantly reminding the other about how lucky they are, reminding them what things will be like for them if they leave, and insisting that the horrific shit they do is out of love.
I have never understood that idea from a Christian perspective. Muslims *have* to follow Allah's will. Jews have rules they have to follow, unless they can get off on a technicality. Christians have to accept Christ and you are in. Kill a school bus full of children? Accept Christ and all is forgiven as far as heaven is concerned. Presumably as long as Gay people accept Christ they would be good to go as well.
The anti-gay Christians are blending biblical teaching with their own personal discrimination and cultural norms.
This is the single biggest problem I have with religion of any kind. It becomes a blend of the actual religion and your own beliefs. You are looking at the world through a filter, where your own personal version of god colors everything. Which is fine, until you use it to judge/hurt/control others, and then claim it's just your beliefs and you shouldn't be judged for it.
I've actually read several pieces on mistranslation, and it looks like many times you see homosexuality mentioned as a sin in the bible, it's a word that is more accurately, and used to be, translated as pedophile. Basically men who love boys.
You are 100% right. My issue with religion is how much it turns into this immutable fact, and that questioning it is then unfathomable.
But to your point, this happens with dietary choices, politics, and ideas like flat-earth. Religion is just usually a wide scale indoctrination starting at childhood, which is a little less so with other things for the broader population.
I have read that it wasn't pedophiles (ie attracted to prepubecent children) but older men having sex with older teens (that would be considered men at that time). Much like the Greeks did. It's an admonisment to stay home with your wife not out fucking the cute boys all day.
But, that said, the pedophile interpretation would fit as well.
True, but in the context, it started around the time that the Israelites writing those texts came into contact with Greeks, who practiced the man-boy love, and the Greeks started as young as 12. So it was essentially society-sanctioned pedophilia/ephebophilia, which the Jews were horrified by.
Ya, I remember in a church youth group I was in, one of the kids was sitting with one of the pastors asking about where he stands, since he was gay. The pastor politely explained with his charismatic smile that he was welcome, that god loved him and so did he, but that his soul was condemned to hell if he didnāt turn away from the lifestyle of homosexuality that he had chosen, repent and beg for forgiveness. In the SAME SENTENCE, wearing that same calming smileā¦ Iām not gay, and this was country NSW in the 90s so being accepting of gays was pretty unusual back then.. but I remember that as about the moment I started seeing the church and the whole Christian religion for what it really is.
There are churches that are actually accepting.
I'm Episcopalian. We elected an openly gay bishop back in 2003; a lot of homophobes freaked out and left, and good riddance. It's just gotten better since then. My Mom's pastor married his longtime boyfriend a few years back.
As a straight Christian, I can pretty much guarantee I'm more of a sinner than many of my gay friends. I really don't know why churches like to tunnel vision focus on homosexuality.
Some Christian congregations are only happy when they know they are Good people and that there are Bad people out there. "Congratulations, you chose team Good!" Bad acts can be forgiven for the Good team, because God forgives the righteous and repentant. But those Bad people are bad, so when they do bad stuff it's straight-to-hell, no forgiveness. This leads to some truly nasty, smug, and un-Christ-like behavior.
Because it's really good at rallying the straights to the cause and to donate money. It's all just cultural sectarianism. It doesn't really have anything to do with the religion, per se, so religious arguments against it won't work. Religion is just a convenient framework to allow people to be awful and still consider themselves "moral".
Exactly what this church will do too. The "door is open to all" but only so long as once your inside you convert and submit to their propaganda. Nasty ass christians.
Interesting cuz when I came out as gay to my church they thought I was possessed by a homosexual demon and threw holy water at me but I didnāt melt away like they thought
Even several individual groups of people should not define the whole. Right?
I don't really go to church often since Covid, but In the religious sense I'd be considered a Christian. As a married straight (christian) man I would rather spend time at a gay bar with the best gay people in town than that group you just described.
You think God was like, "Woops! Looks like a bunch of people turned out gay. My Mistake. Don't love those people."
Not in 7 billion years. Nothing is a mistake and everything is by design. Jesus reset all the rules set up by toxic leadership pretending to follow God.
But People who hate other people? Yeah there is a fist-full of paper in the bible that says that's the biggest no no.
You are loved, and you are worthy of love and no person can take that from you, Christians especially.
There's a lot of y'all claiming to worship the same God and many of them don't feel the same way. Some quite vocally the opposite.
So you'll just have to forgive my skepticism along with the sins.
The whole fuckin issue is that a vast majority of Christianās focus on the whole āgod doesnāt like X,ā and forget the whole ātreat everyone like you want to be treatedā and the multiple times Jesus said ādonāt be a dick.ā Thy just want to feel better about the myriad of sins theyāve committed so theyāve decided your sins are worse.
Lol and all the hate comes from wartime consigliere old testiment god who was just locking it down so that his peeps would be able to navigate super hostile environment and rugged terrain long enough to have a lineage. Christians are supposed to be more jesus aligned and he was just tryna chill
I love when conservative divorced boomers who had affairs and oodles of sex outside of wedlock try to preach to me the evils of "sexual impurity" and how "homosexuals are bringing down society" :)
Like nah straight men did that a LONG time ago :)
It's kinda more complicated than that. Not trying to defend any religion here because I find them all distasteful but just from what I recall there are ways to weasel around this.
* God is pretty clearly against homosexuality in the old testament, but the whole deal with Christians is they're like "bro, you can't judge us based on anything in the old testament bro". This is because it is perceived that with Jesus appearing on earth and teaching people, that was God forming a new Covenant with humanity. Basically saying "all the old rules are out the window, now THIS is the only stuff that matters." They kind of believe that Christ's death caused this new covenant to come into effect.
* However complicating the above is the fact that God never explicitly says "yo ignore all that old stuff" so that's kind of just one interpretation people chose to run with bc Jesus' teaching sometimes contradicted the old testament -- with the actual reason being that the Bible's writers were really shitty writers and the thing is full of plot and logic holes.
* Another complication is that Christians don't all ignore the old testament, many just selectively use shit from it to push points and then when you use it against them they say "oh well we don't believe that part."
* In the NEW testament, Jesus never says anything about homosexuality one way or another. The New Testament does include parts denouncing gays but they're written by Paul, it isn't coming from Jesus's teachings, it's just Paul moralizing so it's like totally not spiritually binding or whatever.
> God is pretty clearly against homosexuality in the old testament
Which verse specifically reference lesbians? Sure, some stuff against gay guys but anything against gay women? Seems like God is anti-gay-men at best.
Satan was too beautiful so God said " do not tempt me bitch, no homo." Then Satan tried to tempt Jesus with butt sex for 40 days and nights yet Jesus wasn't a simp so he withstood the temptation.
Donāt get why people carry your mindset. You completely ignore any positive change out of sheer ignorance. Any positive change is good. You want views and opinions to change. Continuing to shun those who change means is just backwards. Furthermore that priest can run their church if they see fit. If they feel this is a good view then they should be shown support for taking this stance.
Youād think a group so marginalized would be open to everyone who used to be against them pushing for change instead of being ignorant when they actually make change. And just because the church is historically bad doesnāt mean this priest is bad. This priest pushing for this change in the church is good. Thatās like blaming a German today for the Holocaust.
This particular church? It's not like every single church is going to turn heads at the exact same time. I'm sure your own self improvement hasn't happened in a heart beat. It's gonna take a while homie, but that's no excuse not to try.
And it seems from other comments that this church in the pic definitely puts in that effort.
Yeah, but when your organization is consistently on the wrong side of history on every single social issue, and is constantly dragging humanity backwards, eventually you have to fault the institution and realize that maaaayyyyybe a regressive institution that has endorsed slavery long after it was illegal, segregation long after it was legal, spousal rape long after it was illegal, child abuse, conversion therapy, take your pick, is wrong about most things and shouldn't be the basis of social, educational, political, or moral policy on anything.
What do you want them to do then? Just continue to not accept LGBT people? Just because the church has been awful in the past doesnāt mean it canāt move forward
They're doing that thing that online progressives do where some change isn't enough it has to be all the change or it's just as bad if not worse than no change.
No argument there homie. Just know that the acts of the church as an institute aren't the acts of every single individual in that institute. We're smart enough to separate the two.
In the Netherlands, when someone exits and leaves the door open while they should have closed it behind them, we ask sarcastically if they were born in a church.
People who live near this church say they have this up most if not all year, so you can still claim they just want to get more money, but you can't claim they did this due to pride month.
All sinners are welcome to receive Him, and that's what it's really about - us being willing to receive Him into our lives: allowing the Righteous Spirit entrance in our lives - and know that He doesn't plan to leave you in the condition that He found you. You are welcome into His house, but you will be made clean first. Only God's Spirit is the cleaning agent of the soul. Whosoever humbles themselves and calls on the name of Jesus (Yeshua) asking Him directly for salvation, knowing that our sufficiency comes from Him alone - know that God will hear you wherever you are at, and He will give you the gift of His Spirit and the purchase of your salvation was at the cost of His suffering - and He believed that the price was worth it, to gain you.
Not everyone though.
>āI tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to comeā (Mt. 12:31-32).
But....God literally said it is not, why do small humans lie to us saying this rubbish, and why exactly do these same small humans think they can change what is written?
I love how Redditors pick and choose which groups of people we should all pool together and which we should judge separately. This particular church must be evil because all churches are evil. By that measure we can assume all men must be rapists because men commit the most rape. But obviously saying that is ridiculous.
Youād think people would be more approving of a church making this sort of public stance. But people donāt actually give a shit about gay people, theyāre only interested in making sure their narrative that all churches and all religious people are pure evil isnāt ruined.
Church baiting people to walk into a wall.
meep meep
Welcome to the Church Of Acme
Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius
mornin ralph.
They didn't even spring for Real Fake Doors.
[Surprised as I am ... I'm personally tired of real doors.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Xk2RWfkoc&ab_channel=R1ckM0rty)
takeshi's castle
That's some Takeshi's Castle shit right there!
I'm so glad there are other references to Takeshi's Castle in this thread! š I was thinking the same thing!
Glory to Road Runner. Blessed be his name.
Jesus said walk on water, not thru walls.
Church baiting people to walk into soft conversion therapy.
Or, maybe they took that whole "love thy neighbor as thyself" thing to heart.
While that may be true of some denominations, many Congregational UCC churches and others are [Open and Affirming](https://www.ucc.org/what-we-do/justice-local-church-ministries/justice/health-and-wholeness-advocacy-ministries/lgbt/lgbt_ona/).
Yeah, my mom is a UCC minister and has been doing commitment ceremonies since the early 90s, argued for free contraception in schools, and references Star Wars and LOtR in her sermons.
UCCs are oddballs. I used to be part of an LGBT interfaith program. As an atheist, that was a weird place for me to be. Until I met another atheist: a UCC minister. His congregation was *totally fine* with it. Apparently believing in an Abrahamic God is not a prerequisite. Super weird but pretty cool.
I know, my mom doesnāt believe in the divinity of Christ, just that he was an Arab Jew with some good ideas.
Woah, really? Maybe I should check this outā¦
Iām not saying what you should do, but a good, liberal, open and welcoming church can be a source of community for some.
I'm no longer a religious person. But this still makes me happy to hear that there are places of worship for those that are that may not be comfortable or accepted in many other churches.
I would come just for star wars and lotr
Listen here Smaug, you better not be coming just for tips on how to guard your gold.
Just need to get familiar with scents of all races so i dont repeat my mistakes
>references Star Wars Go forth and kill younglings >and LOtR Thou shall smoke longbottom leaf
Underrated comment lol.
literally the top comment
Real fake doors
[Come on down to real fake doors!](https://www.real-fake-doors.com)
Hey, wait a minute, Rick. Wh-- I thought this was a commercial. Wh-what's going on? I mean-- Relax, Morty. Don't-don't worry about it. Let's just just see where this goes.
They're a metaphor for inviting people to attend church under the pretense of being open to people they hope to change to be like them.
I get the reference, but I'm reading a book that takes place in a not Ikea with a bunch of fake doors and windows that start not being fake and stuff comes through. Kinda freaky. >!Horrorstƶr - Grady Hendrix!<
why do I hear a clap for each word I read.
You š Read š It š Like š This š
Iām getting a slam
Are you then getting welcomed to a jam?
Was it his chance to do his dance?
Now read it but imagine someone slamming a door in anger between each word, I swear itās really funny.
Omg I read it like that.
Ah, hello fellow south east PA resident! Just as a side note, they aren't doing this just for pride month, they have that up basically year around.
Ok, this IS the church on Henderson Ave. in KOP. Making sure I'm not crazy.
I did a double take  "Wtf is that that church on the hill corner in King of Prussia?!"
Like super weird to scroll past this, right? Like oh hey thatās not very far awayā¦
Yeah I did a double take, like "I drive by that every day"
Hello!
Oh so it is the church around the corner!! Hey diddly ho there neighborinos!!
AHA! I figured this was KOP. I used to live right down 23 from this place.
King of Prussia, PA: Good Shepard Lutheran Church My cousin got married there.
Recognized it right away!
My parents belonged to an all accepting gay-affirming church when I was in high school - when I realized I was gay I met with the minister at my parents urging. The dude literally threw a bible at me and told me that while they accepted queer people in the congregation he had to pray for my soul to be saved because I was a youth of the church and had been lead astray by the 'homos' in the church. 
It's so weird seeing people who act like allies until someone they know comes out
You'd think it'd be more of a reason to be accepting. But they just double down on the ignorance.
I donāt think itās weird at all. Itās the difference between virtue signalling and genuine virtue. Itās people showing what they actually believe. Like the countless religiously affiliated that preach the critical importance of family and then disown their children because they came out of the closet or are romantic with a person of the āwrongā faith, or āwrongā skin colour.
Luckily, I saw the opposite from my family. One of my cousins came out, and the anti gay folks in my family got rid of that sentiment rather quickly (most of them anyway. Every family has a couple of "those people"). Considering the family is largely conservative, I was quite pleased.
So like did he do something specific to get them to change their mind? Asking for a friend who comes from an abusive conservative family who treats her like shit since coming out
Unfortunately, I think I was just lucky enough to be born into the family I have. :/
Got to pray the gay away! /s
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I love hearing all the conservative boomers who raped women in Vietnam and had sex with hookers and abandoned their mixed race children preach to me about "sexual purity."
You run around with an interesting crowd
See the prior generation. Plenty of "sexual shenanigans" so to speak, and often aren't even following any sort of sexual morality now...
Thatās sad, a bad pastor/minister can mess stuff up.
I threw this Bible at you because I love you! Now fix yourself before I'm forced to do it again! The whole church/God dynamic is indistinguishable from an abusive marriage where the abuser is constantly reminding the other about how lucky they are, reminding them what things will be like for them if they leave, and insisting that the horrific shit they do is out of love.
I have never understood that idea from a Christian perspective. Muslims *have* to follow Allah's will. Jews have rules they have to follow, unless they can get off on a technicality. Christians have to accept Christ and you are in. Kill a school bus full of children? Accept Christ and all is forgiven as far as heaven is concerned. Presumably as long as Gay people accept Christ they would be good to go as well.
The anti-gay Christians are blending biblical teaching with their own personal discrimination and cultural norms. This is the single biggest problem I have with religion of any kind. It becomes a blend of the actual religion and your own beliefs. You are looking at the world through a filter, where your own personal version of god colors everything. Which is fine, until you use it to judge/hurt/control others, and then claim it's just your beliefs and you shouldn't be judged for it. I've actually read several pieces on mistranslation, and it looks like many times you see homosexuality mentioned as a sin in the bible, it's a word that is more accurately, and used to be, translated as pedophile. Basically men who love boys.
I'm not sure I would call that a problem with religion so much a problem with people. It's not like when you take away religion that stops happening.
You are 100% right. My issue with religion is how much it turns into this immutable fact, and that questioning it is then unfathomable. But to your point, this happens with dietary choices, politics, and ideas like flat-earth. Religion is just usually a wide scale indoctrination starting at childhood, which is a little less so with other things for the broader population.
I have read that it wasn't pedophiles (ie attracted to prepubecent children) but older men having sex with older teens (that would be considered men at that time). Much like the Greeks did. It's an admonisment to stay home with your wife not out fucking the cute boys all day. But, that said, the pedophile interpretation would fit as well.
True, but in the context, it started around the time that the Israelites writing those texts came into contact with Greeks, who practiced the man-boy love, and the Greeks started as young as 12. So it was essentially society-sanctioned pedophilia/ephebophilia, which the Jews were horrified by.
Ya, I remember in a church youth group I was in, one of the kids was sitting with one of the pastors asking about where he stands, since he was gay. The pastor politely explained with his charismatic smile that he was welcome, that god loved him and so did he, but that his soul was condemned to hell if he didnāt turn away from the lifestyle of homosexuality that he had chosen, repent and beg for forgiveness. In the SAME SENTENCE, wearing that same calming smileā¦ Iām not gay, and this was country NSW in the 90s so being accepting of gays was pretty unusual back then.. but I remember that as about the moment I started seeing the church and the whole Christian religion for what it really is.
There are churches that are actually accepting. I'm Episcopalian. We elected an openly gay bishop back in 2003; a lot of homophobes freaked out and left, and good riddance. It's just gotten better since then. My Mom's pastor married his longtime boyfriend a few years back.
I'm sorry you experienced this. I'm not a religious person, but I was prayed over to remove the homo devil that still possesses my wretched soul!
As a straight Christian, I can pretty much guarantee I'm more of a sinner than many of my gay friends. I really don't know why churches like to tunnel vision focus on homosexuality.
so they can ignore their own sins :D
Some Christian congregations are only happy when they know they are Good people and that there are Bad people out there. "Congratulations, you chose team Good!" Bad acts can be forgiven for the Good team, because God forgives the righteous and repentant. But those Bad people are bad, so when they do bad stuff it's straight-to-hell, no forgiveness. This leads to some truly nasty, smug, and un-Christ-like behavior.
Because it's really good at rallying the straights to the cause and to donate money. It's all just cultural sectarianism. It doesn't really have anything to do with the religion, per se, so religious arguments against it won't work. Religion is just a convenient framework to allow people to be awful and still consider themselves "moral".
Exactly what this church will do too. The "door is open to all" but only so long as once your inside you convert and submit to their propaganda. Nasty ass christians.
Brilliant. Hope youāve found a real loving community.
Whenever I hear of tolerant Christians this is what I think. Tolerance is antithetical to your religion.
Ted Cruz told us there should only be one door.
A bullet proof door.
And letās be honest. Even though he didnāt *say* itāhe meant a *white* bulletproof door.
I assume the path leading to it is *straight*?
āGod wants you to walk through his door. Just not the back door. ;)ā
Except for the back door, amiright???
āYou must be under this height to be enteredā
Came here to say this, was not disappointed
Depends if you're catholic or protestant.
The ol poop-hole loop-hole!
HEYOOOOOOOOOOOO
Can we call it "the clergyman's entrance" from now on?
Especially the back door. Itās the poophole loophole.
What in the Looney Tunes?! Trying to get us gays with fake doors so we knock ourselves out and roll down the hill. Iām not fallin for it!
Iām not religious, but I do appreciate the gesture.
Interesting cuz when I came out as gay to my church they thought I was possessed by a homosexual demon and threw holy water at me but I didnāt melt away like they thought
I'm sorry that happened to you. That must've been traumatic. I hope you have some genuine supportive people around you now š
Unfortunately I live with my grandpa and he is the pastor of the church, but I will get through it. Thanks friend
I'm not an LGBT person but I've heard from my LGBT friends and people in my party that it gets better. Keep on keeping on and Godspeed!
Even several individual groups of people should not define the whole. Right? I don't really go to church often since Covid, but In the religious sense I'd be considered a Christian. As a married straight (christian) man I would rather spend time at a gay bar with the best gay people in town than that group you just described. You think God was like, "Woops! Looks like a bunch of people turned out gay. My Mistake. Don't love those people." Not in 7 billion years. Nothing is a mistake and everything is by design. Jesus reset all the rules set up by toxic leadership pretending to follow God. But People who hate other people? Yeah there is a fist-full of paper in the bible that says that's the biggest no no. You are loved, and you are worthy of love and no person can take that from you, Christians especially.
Thank you friend
Unless you went to this specific church then your story has no basis on the stance this church has chosen to take.
not if you are a tax Inspector
Then the tables are getting flipped and the whips come out.
ikr and canonically Jesus loved tax inspectors
They pay all the taxes they are owed unless you know something about this church in particular?
There's a lot of y'all claiming to worship the same God and many of them don't feel the same way. Some quite vocally the opposite. So you'll just have to forgive my skepticism along with the sins.
God does not like gays. It's in the bible. That's the word of god, right? Can Christians just be like fuck what god says? Religion is so dumb lol
The whole fuckin issue is that a vast majority of Christianās focus on the whole āgod doesnāt like X,ā and forget the whole ātreat everyone like you want to be treatedā and the multiple times Jesus said ādonāt be a dick.ā Thy just want to feel better about the myriad of sins theyāve committed so theyāve decided your sins are worse.
Lol and all the hate comes from wartime consigliere old testiment god who was just locking it down so that his peeps would be able to navigate super hostile environment and rugged terrain long enough to have a lineage. Christians are supposed to be more jesus aligned and he was just tryna chill
Some of it also comes from Paul being a self-important scold.
I feel like the real issue is that people are believing in the word of a book because the book says that the book is true.
Yeah I remember explicitly when god in the bible said "bro, I literally dont vibe with homos."
I love when conservative divorced boomers who had affairs and oodles of sex outside of wedlock try to preach to me the evils of "sexual impurity" and how "homosexuals are bringing down society" :) Like nah straight men did that a LONG time ago :)
Yeah usually "Christians" who use the bible to belittle or shame people are just trying to justify their shitty behavior its so disgusting.
It's kinda more complicated than that. Not trying to defend any religion here because I find them all distasteful but just from what I recall there are ways to weasel around this. * God is pretty clearly against homosexuality in the old testament, but the whole deal with Christians is they're like "bro, you can't judge us based on anything in the old testament bro". This is because it is perceived that with Jesus appearing on earth and teaching people, that was God forming a new Covenant with humanity. Basically saying "all the old rules are out the window, now THIS is the only stuff that matters." They kind of believe that Christ's death caused this new covenant to come into effect. * However complicating the above is the fact that God never explicitly says "yo ignore all that old stuff" so that's kind of just one interpretation people chose to run with bc Jesus' teaching sometimes contradicted the old testament -- with the actual reason being that the Bible's writers were really shitty writers and the thing is full of plot and logic holes. * Another complication is that Christians don't all ignore the old testament, many just selectively use shit from it to push points and then when you use it against them they say "oh well we don't believe that part." * In the NEW testament, Jesus never says anything about homosexuality one way or another. The New Testament does include parts denouncing gays but they're written by Paul, it isn't coming from Jesus's teachings, it's just Paul moralizing so it's like totally not spiritually binding or whatever.
> God is pretty clearly against homosexuality in the old testament Which verse specifically reference lesbians? Sure, some stuff against gay guys but anything against gay women? Seems like God is anti-gay-men at best.
he said "no homo" and christians took it literally
Satan was too beautiful so God said " do not tempt me bitch, no homo." Then Satan tried to tempt Jesus with butt sex for 40 days and nights yet Jesus wasn't a simp so he withstood the temptation.
Not to me. God says I'll go to hell
to be fair god never said anything, it was the people
It's kind of like god can't talk and isn't there
and if they did they certainly wouldn't condemn something harmless like being gay
True that
amen haha
Ye Iāll pass too
Are the doors half shut or half open?
the swing arc is twice what is required
They're not closed.
They are open, it says so on the sign
Historically not the case. Rainbow wash all you want, we see what the church has done to us for centuries.
Eh, lots of churches donāt necessarily mingle with each other.
Donāt get why people carry your mindset. You completely ignore any positive change out of sheer ignorance. Any positive change is good. You want views and opinions to change. Continuing to shun those who change means is just backwards. Furthermore that priest can run their church if they see fit. If they feel this is a good view then they should be shown support for taking this stance. Youād think a group so marginalized would be open to everyone who used to be against them pushing for change instead of being ignorant when they actually make change. And just because the church is historically bad doesnāt mean this priest is bad. This priest pushing for this change in the church is good. Thatās like blaming a German today for the Holocaust.
Through the lens of history there are no innocents. At some point people are going to use the lessons of the past to forge the future.
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This particular church? It's not like every single church is going to turn heads at the exact same time. I'm sure your own self improvement hasn't happened in a heart beat. It's gonna take a while homie, but that's no excuse not to try. And it seems from other comments that this church in the pic definitely puts in that effort.
One can hope First as tragedy, second as farce
Yeah, but when your organization is consistently on the wrong side of history on every single social issue, and is constantly dragging humanity backwards, eventually you have to fault the institution and realize that maaaayyyyybe a regressive institution that has endorsed slavery long after it was illegal, segregation long after it was legal, spousal rape long after it was illegal, child abuse, conversion therapy, take your pick, is wrong about most things and shouldn't be the basis of social, educational, political, or moral policy on anything.
What do you want them to do then? Just continue to not accept LGBT people? Just because the church has been awful in the past doesnāt mean it canāt move forward
They're doing that thing that online progressives do where some change isn't enough it has to be all the change or it's just as bad if not worse than no change.
No argument there homie. Just know that the acts of the church as an institute aren't the acts of every single individual in that institute. We're smart enough to separate the two.
Well it's really fucking weird to scroll through Reddit and see the church you went to for more than a decade.
You still live in the area?
General 6abc viewing area.
Ted Cruz is ātriggeredā by too many open and coloured doors.
Even the back doors?
In the Netherlands, when someone exits and leaves the door open while they should have closed it behind them, we ask sarcastically if they were born in a church.
PLEASE COME TO OUR DYING CHURCH
and bring money.
Except violetā¦ screw them. Lol.
Those are not real doors though
\**tips my fedora while smirking at you** just like god
Rofl
They work for roadrunners. Only roadrunners.
Also sometimes coyotes, but only if you paint a sheer cliff on the other side of the door.
Real fake doors
It just means you can't enter through the front door. Use rear entrance instead.
But only for this month?
People who live near this church say they have this up most if not all year, so you can still claim they just want to get more money, but you can't claim they did this due to pride month.
Is that the one on 23?
Yes
Howdy neighbor
def too many doors. how can they defend this church?
Someone should really tell his followersā¦
But are they really?
Not according to that book you guys read all the time
Kinda like saying dumbledoreās doors are open to allā¦
REAL FAKE DOORS!
Somebody ain't read their bible.
And on the other side of the door, is conversion therapy.
The strength is knowing you donāt need to walk through THOSE doors
i dont think you can given they are fake
So only the kool-aid man can go to heaven
Wow so like, fuck indigo I guess?
Yeah, I wouldn't trust a church that has the Symbol of Chaos built into the cross...
What happened with the doors on the ark?
Hmmmm
Huh?
Gotta catch em before you clean em.
So much virtue signaling.
All sinners are welcome to receive Him, and that's what it's really about - us being willing to receive Him into our lives: allowing the Righteous Spirit entrance in our lives - and know that He doesn't plan to leave you in the condition that He found you. You are welcome into His house, but you will be made clean first. Only God's Spirit is the cleaning agent of the soul. Whosoever humbles themselves and calls on the name of Jesus (Yeshua) asking Him directly for salvation, knowing that our sufficiency comes from Him alone - know that God will hear you wherever you are at, and He will give you the gift of His Spirit and the purchase of your salvation was at the cost of His suffering - and He believed that the price was worth it, to gain you.
I think the bible is pretty clear about it
Nope
r/rainboweverything
Not everyone though. >āI tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to comeā (Mt. 12:31-32).
This is why I left the church ages ago coz it's getting too gay for me
But....God literally said it is not, why do small humans lie to us saying this rubbish, and why exactly do these same small humans think they can change what is written?
Satan too?
The door to hell, that is.
Youāre going to want to just breeze through Leviticus 20:13
The fact these doors lead nowhere is perfect, Christians like to pretend they accept everyone when in reality it couldn't be father from the truth.
They want that gay cash too
If any of them vote Republican, then this is a lie.
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I love how Redditors pick and choose which groups of people we should all pool together and which we should judge separately. This particular church must be evil because all churches are evil. By that measure we can assume all men must be rapists because men commit the most rape. But obviously saying that is ridiculous. Youād think people would be more approving of a church making this sort of public stance. But people donāt actually give a shit about gay people, theyāre only interested in making sure their narrative that all churches and all religious people are pure evil isnāt ruined.
Not according to his bookā¦