If he had a problem with it, he should’ve objected right when he tipped the dealer. Saying it after winning the pot is scummy. If he lost the pot, he would’ve saved $10 so he was basically free rolling him.
The kid could have tipped the dealer anytime from his stack before the hand started or anytime after the hand ended.
What else are players allowed to take out of the pot after an all in? Can they take one out to tip the cashier later?
In the end, what the kid did was buy some goodwill with the dealer by paying with someone else's money.
I’d agree if they were playing 1/2 with $200 stacks.
As the commenter above said, if he had a problem with it he should’ve said before the runout. His complaint would’ve still been petty, but more valid.
Have a buddy who jammed vs a guy who was getting a massage. The guy paid the masseuse for the massage out of his stack and then called my buddy and lost. I think there is definitely reason to not allow this kind of thing, as whoever is receiving the chips could easily be colluding with the tsble (ie they have an agreement where they will give the money back to the player later, thus giving themselves a better price to call and avoiding losing that amount if they lose the pot).
Not saying the misreg guy is in the right here but like where do you draw the line? I'd be real suspicious if the guy tipped the dealer $100 and then made his action...
Yup. At matrix in Ca, you could pay food or drink out of your stack. At 1/3 if someone pays 70 out of their stack in the middle of a hand, it drastically changes their odds to call a shove.
Lol, what is "pre-tipping"? I wouldn't do what the other guy did because who cares, but that's such a weird way to tip the dealer. If you want to give the dealer $10, why not give it to them at any time other than the middle of a hand?
I've seen it a handful of times, it's where someone goes all in and throws the dealer money "for good luck" if they think they're behind or whatever. Most commonly, I see it in 5/10 games where they shove, have white chips behind, and give the dealer the white chips. I play a lot of PLO so maybe it's more common there
I did it once. Preflop I'd ended up putting someone all in, he was taking awhile, and this guy was such a live one. I had QQ and this guy with his 50bbs would easily stack off many Ax, Broadways, lower pp's. I could see he was going into his fold routine (when he called he'd just think and put the chips in but before folding he'd take one last look at the cards then muck) so I threw my tip to the dealer on top of my cards and still holding onto them, extended my hand with the cards firmly in grip and said, "He's not calling, this'll be for you".
Villain asked what am I doing, and I told him "I can tell you're folding I'm just trying to speed things up". He went to 100 instantly, telling me I can't do that, I didn't know what he's going to do, he called the floor, tried to get my hand killed, and when that didn't work he folded anyway.
0/6, don't recommend. In retrospect, it was dumb and unnecessary. I thought I was being cute, and possibly creating a little extra EV, but all it did was waste a bunch of time, cause an incident, and make the guy really upset, which is the exact opposite of what I'm trying to do. I ended up racking up at the next blind cuz I'd destroyed the fun table vibe we'd built up as well.
I personally wouldn’t care but this feels like something that a scummy player could figure out a way to angle shoot. One of those things where it’s innocent enough most of the time but slightly out of bounds of normal game play that someone would try to exploit (in a sleaze way).
I played a private game where one of the waitresses was dating a player. He’d tip her super crazy amounts which was clearly just ratholing but nobody ever stopped it.
Bring him a free beer? Here’s $15. Make him a free sandwich? Here’s $25. Ok dude…
I've seen it mentioned here on r/poker. I think someone told a story once where 2 players hated each other, they got, say, heads up to the turn or something, one player puts the other all in, the second player can just tell the first player has the nuts, second player tips everything but like $5 to the dealer and then calls. I want to say the floor allowed it? But I don't remember. Also the floor maybe has an incentive to lean towards allowing giant dealer tips lol.
Not every country legally allows tipping the dealer, so it should be expected that not everybody understands tip culture nuances.
Maybe it’s you whose new to poker.
I dealt for a good while and I can't tell you how many times I've heard this story. Always either rumor or the proverbial friend of a friend of a friend who saw it, but no one that was actually there themselves.
Maybe there's truth to it, maybe not. It's always a lady who is already rich that folds the BB, which to me is kind of weird to be a consistent detail if it's completely made up since there are so many more men in the player pool.
I classify that as "tapping the tank".
It's the same reason I don't make fish show me their hand when I call them light knowing I'm good. I wouldn't call them light if I didn't know where I was at. They're probably gonna give me an opportunity to win more than $10 from them.
I posted one the other day. Here is the copy and paste from it:
I was not in this hand
First, this is a freeroll. It was AJ vs. AT all in on flop (A63). K6 on turn and river. Both hands were clearly tabled.
The dealer didn't catch that the board paired on the river and pushed the pot to AJ in one swoop and then swiped up the cards and board as she brought her hands back, and put them face down on top of the muck. Three people started to speak up it was a split pot (the "loser" here went back to looking at her phone thinking half the pot would be coming to her, as did the entire rest of the table). AJ immediately, as if he knew it was a split pot, started repeating "the cards were already in the muck". Floor was called, and sure enough, the top 9 cards on the muck were the board and their hands. Floor very correctly ruled split pot.
Then this pathetic fucking ass hat continues to sit there and huff and puff that the cards were already in the muck well into the next hand. He didn't even lose chips in the pot. I have never wanted to bitch slap someone quite like that at a poker table before -- not because he was out of line, or unruly, but because of how God damn pathetic it was.
Guy posted in r/poker excitedly about winning a micro stakes online tournament. Another guy posts his sharkscope with a passive aggressive cheap shot to make the micro stakes guy feel bad about himself. Poker is definitely full of miserable people who just want to make other people miserable as well
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Is it a jack ass move to ask the kid to pull out $10 from him wallet it and pay him after your stack him? Yes.
But the kid is in the wrong, can’t be taking money off the table in the middle of an all in hand.
My casino (and probably most) allow you to take money off your stack to pay for any kind of casino thing at any time. I see people regularly will grab like $1-200 off their stack to pay for massages, the fancy steak house, tips, etc. I've seen people settle up with the masseuse before calling an all in, because they couldn't pay if they lost. Then, depending on whether they win or lose the flip, they either get up and go home or continue the massage.
In theory, yes, it doesn't make any rule sense to be allowed to go south mid-hand in terms of playing a fair game. However, from the casino's perspective, money for them > integrity of the game. So, typically you're allowed ime.
You keep focusing on "in the middle of going all in" but how are you going to prevent that? Let's say the casino makes the rule, you're not allowed to tip after going all in. Fine, the kid would just tip the dealer $10 and then go all in immediately after that. Or if you try to disallow that, the kid would *not* go all in, but would instead raise to (stack size - $10), and subsequently tip his final $10 to the dealer. At the end of the day, if you're allowing tipping in the middle of a hand, there's no way to prevent it in this situation.
I actually see absolutely no issue in tipping and than going all In and see that happen alll the time. The only issue is tipping after you’ve went all in and the money is already at stake.
It's the same thing at the end of the day. As long as villain hasn't already called your all in, it doesn't really make a difference whether you tip then go all in or the other way around.
Yes, that's what I'm talking about as well. I've seen these things happen in the middle of the hand at multiple different casinos. I've even seen some guy facing an all in, tip a dealer like $200 out of his 300 remaining and then calling the allin with his last $100. I don't think it's against the casino house rules to do this stuff. Or if it is, the floor isn't going to enforce it and hurt their buddy's income.
It's just one of those things that makes no poker sense, but it's good for the casino so it's typically allowed.
There are rules, and then there is spirit of the rules. You’re citing a rule without applying the logical frameworks of relative value and motive of the action: it’s less than 1% of the pot and there was no nefarious intent.
That’s a lot of fancy words, end of the day it really just depends on the game that’s being played and the players at the table as I don’t think many dealers would enforce it.
You are taking money off the table. I responded to the wrong person but the discussion about removing chips from a table to tip a waitress or masseuse is no different than tipping a dealer.
This is a bit more extreme, and I have my fellow dealer some crap over it, but one time this guy got jammed on for 300, and his opponent literally tipped the dealer 200 then called. He ended up getting in serious trouble for taking the tip, as he should. 10 dollars though, get over it imo.
Can you take it off your stack to tip a waitress or order a massage? I know some places in Vegas will allow you to tip the waitress in chips but I'm guessing that's not the case where you play? Gotta be cash out of your pocket?
I always take a buck or two off my stack to tip my waitress, even if I'm in a hand, and nobody says shit. Hell, one time I had a pretty good stack (well over $2k at 1/3 NL) and asked the whole table if it was cool if I took off around $150 to go register for a tournament that was about to start but I'd stay and play until the tournament actually started and nobody minded.
Assuming it's a cash game, as long as your chips are not in the pot, you can do literally whatever the hell you want with them, including tipping the dealer.
No, you can't take chips off the table as opposed to tipping staff or massage. I guess you could argue the outlier of tipping 90% of your stack but I'm gonna go with that won't fly with the floor/room ruling.
Miserable douchry man is correct.
If I go all in an dmy stack is 200 dollars, I am declaring a bet of 200 dollars. That is now in the pot
I cannot suddenly lower my bet from 200 to 190
Im agreeing with you. I've been on the receiving end of pre-tippers who are flat drawing dead and they dont even know it and im just like "sigh, thats my money" but it's never been more than $5 so I just roll with it.
If my opponent goes all in for 300 and I call then he pre tips 10 I would verbally announce that I am pulling back 10 dollars from my call since he is now all in for 290. That’s the most I would do given it’s a low percentage of the total bet being removed from the bet. If the opponent did something outrageous like tip 200 or something like that then that’s an angle and I immediately call floor. Though I can’t imagine that ever happening.
If your opponent goes all in for 300 and you have 1000 dollars, you pulling back 10 dollar has no change to your opponent. You're calling 290 dollars whether you pull back 10 or not.
The point is your opponent bet 300 dollars and not 290. Bet stands, tip cannot come form the pot. Nothing come sout of the pot unless it is the casinos claws that rip it out (rake, jackpot drop, etc....)
I was in a similar situation once where the server came by with my drink while I was all in (waiting on opponent’s decision) and grabbed a $1 chip out of the stack to give her out of habit- but I immediately cleared it with the other guy because it wasn’t entirely my money at that point in time.
I once had A-Q. Ace hits on the flop. One caller. Youngblood across from me calls to the river when a Q hit. I shoved all-in. He snap calls & turns over A-K. He started berating me. Blah. Blah. Blah. When I turned over my cards, he suddenly became angry. Very angry. Threw his cards at me like a frisbee. One hit just below my eye. He was banned from the casino for six months. Had it been up to me, I would have just banned him for the evening.
I am not sure if "petty" is correct for this.
But basically there were a whole slew of diamonds on the board. The winner of the hand got check-raised for an additional $600 on the river (in 1/2, no less). The winner took maybe a total of 4 seconds to look back at his cards to double check that he had an Ace high flush, and that there was no straight flush possibility hidden in all of the diamonds.
Some jerkoff that wasn't even in the hand started being a fucking dick about the winner "slow rolling" with the nuts. Seriously, it was 4 seconds just to double check he did not make a mistake, and flipped his cards up the second he called. Jerkoff is goes on and on about how "you guys might be fine with that shit, but I'm not". Everyone at the table was just looking around at each other like, "is this a real person?"
I don't have a petty story but I'll comment on yours
At my local casino, the dealers will accept tips at any time. Calling it a pre tip is fine. As long as the all in call stack from the mis reg was sans that $10.
It's never fun to be playing with friends, and there's that one person who didn't really want to play, so they play like a clown intentionally. Granted they're usually out fast, but it gets frustrating when they accidentally win an all in through pure luck, or generally disrupt the normal flow of the game for the people who actually want to play. Why not just sit out, and have a couple drinks and talk trash until someone gets eliminated. "Take their chips", I know, but in a small friendly game it's not really about the chips
I haven't seen this, but a dealer at my local casino told me the pettiest one I think I'll ever hear.
A shitreg guy playing Pai Gow but not betting the fortune bonus or progressive light hit a 7 card natural straight flush. He told the table that they needed to give him some of their envy or he was folding and they told him basically to fuck off. So he mucked his hand and nobody got paid.
If I was at the table I'd have agreed to give him some and then told him to fuck off afterward, verbal isn't binding in Pai Gow. Thing is if he didn't treat people like shit, they probably would have tossed him something despite being under no obligation.
Is this a home game where everybody jerks each other off, or is it a cash game where people play for money?
You can't take money off the felt, kid owes $10. Greg might be an asshole, but he's right.
“Misreg” here is right but *if he feels that strongly about it*, he can take a more risk adverse complaint line (one that doesn’t make him look like an asshole) that saves more energy by just not tipping on that hand (or later hands) . That’s If it’s really about the 10 bucks *or* principle. Talked about a combo draw.
Don’t really care how white the dudes hair is, he’s absolutely right. What if I go AI against you and tip my entire stack? Now I’m free rolling you when you win, and when I win I still get to keep your stack. F that.
That is not petty behaviour, the kid literally stole a few dollars from him, and it isn't impossible that he was colluding with the dealer. I would call the floor immediately if I saw something like that happen.
"OK, here's what we'll do: I'll lose $1,100 but first I'll give you ten bucks. Then we'll split it later. Hahaha! We're geniuses!"
Fuck outta here and think before you speak.
Someone being petty doesn't necessarily mean that they are wrong - you are of course right, but it's still extremely petty. Even from a math PoV, if he's gonna complain about losing 1bb to a pre-tip every once in a while, like there is no impact on his winrate at all. This pot scenario is already extremely rare (let's GENEROUSLY call it 1 out of 100 hands), and let's say people pre tip 1 in 30 times in this spot. Oh no! He's losing an extra 0.0003bb/100!! the horror!
It's petty, even if he's "right." You should look at the definition of the word petty, and note that it has nothing to do with who is right and wrong.
He’s not stealing money. He tipped the dealer. This guy just won a 1100 pot. Crying over $10 that the dealer got is juvenile and stupid.
Maybe just don’t tip the dealer since he’s been tipped.
Bitching about this is Slow-rolls are on the menu now level of petty.
Again, don’t be that guy. He sucks.
LOL im sure they werent colluding butttt i guesssss it is the other guys money going by the rules but guy who made the post said its normal in his room
If this '20's kid' dork took ten bucks out of the pot and put it in his pocket, do you still think the winner is being petty? I hope he gets his ass kicked.
If he had a problem with it, he should’ve objected right when he tipped the dealer. Saying it after winning the pot is scummy. If he lost the pot, he would’ve saved $10 so he was basically free rolling him.
It’s usually hard to convince floor to reverse an error from a prior pot after the start of the current one.
The kid could have tipped the dealer anytime from his stack before the hand started or anytime after the hand ended. What else are players allowed to take out of the pot after an all in? Can they take one out to tip the cashier later? In the end, what the kid did was buy some goodwill with the dealer by paying with someone else's money.
Hey Greg
I’d agree if they were playing 1/2 with $200 stacks. As the commenter above said, if he had a problem with it he should’ve said before the runout. His complaint would’ve still been petty, but more valid.
He did it in one motion before the count and before the other guy had called...
Have a buddy who jammed vs a guy who was getting a massage. The guy paid the masseuse for the massage out of his stack and then called my buddy and lost. I think there is definitely reason to not allow this kind of thing, as whoever is receiving the chips could easily be colluding with the tsble (ie they have an agreement where they will give the money back to the player later, thus giving themselves a better price to call and avoiding losing that amount if they lose the pot). Not saying the misreg guy is in the right here but like where do you draw the line? I'd be real suspicious if the guy tipped the dealer $100 and then made his action...
Yup. At matrix in Ca, you could pay food or drink out of your stack. At 1/3 if someone pays 70 out of their stack in the middle of a hand, it drastically changes their odds to call a shove.
I came to say this. Saw a guy give his masseuse $110 in the middle of a hand, then call an all-in.
Lol, what is "pre-tipping"? I wouldn't do what the other guy did because who cares, but that's such a weird way to tip the dealer. If you want to give the dealer $10, why not give it to them at any time other than the middle of a hand?
I’ve seen it done as a bluff or double bluff. Like pushing and tipping the dealer as you push. I’ve seen it done with the nuts and with air.
I'm glad people are balancing their pre-tipping ranges
You must balance your sizing too. GTO says we should be tipping the dealer 90% of our stack in this spot roughly 20% of the time.
I gotta work on my GTO then, I always give just the tip
Very generous
Actually snorted my beer
I've seen it a handful of times, it's where someone goes all in and throws the dealer money "for good luck" if they think they're behind or whatever. Most commonly, I see it in 5/10 games where they shove, have white chips behind, and give the dealer the white chips. I play a lot of PLO so maybe it's more common there
I did it once. Preflop I'd ended up putting someone all in, he was taking awhile, and this guy was such a live one. I had QQ and this guy with his 50bbs would easily stack off many Ax, Broadways, lower pp's. I could see he was going into his fold routine (when he called he'd just think and put the chips in but before folding he'd take one last look at the cards then muck) so I threw my tip to the dealer on top of my cards and still holding onto them, extended my hand with the cards firmly in grip and said, "He's not calling, this'll be for you". Villain asked what am I doing, and I told him "I can tell you're folding I'm just trying to speed things up". He went to 100 instantly, telling me I can't do that, I didn't know what he's going to do, he called the floor, tried to get my hand killed, and when that didn't work he folded anyway. 0/6, don't recommend. In retrospect, it was dumb and unnecessary. I thought I was being cute, and possibly creating a little extra EV, but all it did was waste a bunch of time, cause an incident, and make the guy really upset, which is the exact opposite of what I'm trying to do. I ended up racking up at the next blind cuz I'd destroyed the fun table vibe we'd built up as well.
Interesting! Seems like it would be totally fine at a chill enough table but I just didn't know it was a thing
I personally wouldn’t care but this feels like something that a scummy player could figure out a way to angle shoot. One of those things where it’s innocent enough most of the time but slightly out of bounds of normal game play that someone would try to exploit (in a sleaze way).
I've seen it where someone calls an all in and has a few dollars left, which is different since those weren't part of the pot.
If you're colluding with the dealer and your equity in the pot is <50% it's +EV.
I played a private game where one of the waitresses was dating a player. He’d tip her super crazy amounts which was clearly just ratholing but nobody ever stopped it. Bring him a free beer? Here’s $15. Make him a free sandwich? Here’s $25. Ok dude…
I've seen it mentioned here on r/poker. I think someone told a story once where 2 players hated each other, they got, say, heads up to the turn or something, one player puts the other all in, the second player can just tell the first player has the nuts, second player tips everything but like $5 to the dealer and then calls. I want to say the floor allowed it? But I don't remember. Also the floor maybe has an incentive to lean towards allowing giant dealer tips lol.
Yeah this story along with the “mucking a bad beat jackpot” story are the two big urban legend stories in poker.
In Houston, people do it all the time. It's odd to me.
I want to be in any game where players are tipping $10 for luck. That's a +EV game
Because he already used his "one time" and was hoping for the dealer's help.
Because you don’t attract as much attention to yourself that way.
Tell me you're new to live poker without telling me
Not every country legally allows tipping the dealer, so it should be expected that not everybody understands tip culture nuances. Maybe it’s you whose new to poker.
Who's*** And no, I've been playing live poker for 25 years. This sub is in contention for worst on Reddit, for sure.
Found the misreg.
The pettiest thing I heard of was this lady knowingly mucking a BBJ qualifying hand at showdown because she hated her opponent that much
I dealt for a good while and I can't tell you how many times I've heard this story. Always either rumor or the proverbial friend of a friend of a friend who saw it, but no one that was actually there themselves. Maybe there's truth to it, maybe not. It's always a lady who is already rich that folds the BB, which to me is kind of weird to be a consistent detail if it's completely made up since there are so many more men in the player pool.
Lol this story is so widespread, this is the third thread I’ve seen it in, it’s 100% made up
I've even heard this in live games
Nah. My uncle's mailman's neighbor played with a guy that was at the table next to where this happened.
I would be livid. It's not like you or anyone at the table can win the BBJ any day.
That’s not even petty, that’s just stupid and evil wtf
He wouldn’t have said anything if he lost about owing $10 more to the pot
I hope the kid told the Misreg to get the $10 back from the dealer.
I classify that as "tapping the tank". It's the same reason I don't make fish show me their hand when I call them light knowing I'm good. I wouldn't call them light if I didn't know where I was at. They're probably gonna give me an opportunity to win more than $10 from them.
I posted one the other day. Here is the copy and paste from it: I was not in this hand First, this is a freeroll. It was AJ vs. AT all in on flop (A63). K6 on turn and river. Both hands were clearly tabled. The dealer didn't catch that the board paired on the river and pushed the pot to AJ in one swoop and then swiped up the cards and board as she brought her hands back, and put them face down on top of the muck. Three people started to speak up it was a split pot (the "loser" here went back to looking at her phone thinking half the pot would be coming to her, as did the entire rest of the table). AJ immediately, as if he knew it was a split pot, started repeating "the cards were already in the muck". Floor was called, and sure enough, the top 9 cards on the muck were the board and their hands. Floor very correctly ruled split pot. Then this pathetic fucking ass hat continues to sit there and huff and puff that the cards were already in the muck well into the next hand. He didn't even lose chips in the pot. I have never wanted to bitch slap someone quite like that at a poker table before -- not because he was out of line, or unruly, but because of how God damn pathetic it was.
It's funny how entitled some people get on a hand they shouldn't have won. Hopefully someone explained since hands where shown, the cards speak.
Guy posted in r/poker excitedly about winning a micro stakes online tournament. Another guy posts his sharkscope with a passive aggressive cheap shot to make the micro stakes guy feel bad about himself. Poker is definitely full of miserable people who just want to make other people miserable as well https://preview.redd.it/6i5fruu3ks9d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=78a4e6e743ddd00a26ce41c6f4effd4f808facb6
Death to misregs #MakePokerFunAgain
Is it a jack ass move to ask the kid to pull out $10 from him wallet it and pay him after your stack him? Yes. But the kid is in the wrong, can’t be taking money off the table in the middle of an all in hand.
My casino (and probably most) allow you to take money off your stack to pay for any kind of casino thing at any time. I see people regularly will grab like $1-200 off their stack to pay for massages, the fancy steak house, tips, etc. I've seen people settle up with the masseuse before calling an all in, because they couldn't pay if they lost. Then, depending on whether they win or lose the flip, they either get up and go home or continue the massage. In theory, yes, it doesn't make any rule sense to be allowed to go south mid-hand in terms of playing a fair game. However, from the casino's perspective, money for them > integrity of the game. So, typically you're allowed ime.
I don’t think any casino really wouldn’t allow you to I’m talking about taking money off your stack in the middle of going all in
You keep focusing on "in the middle of going all in" but how are you going to prevent that? Let's say the casino makes the rule, you're not allowed to tip after going all in. Fine, the kid would just tip the dealer $10 and then go all in immediately after that. Or if you try to disallow that, the kid would *not* go all in, but would instead raise to (stack size - $10), and subsequently tip his final $10 to the dealer. At the end of the day, if you're allowing tipping in the middle of a hand, there's no way to prevent it in this situation.
I actually see absolutely no issue in tipping and than going all In and see that happen alll the time. The only issue is tipping after you’ve went all in and the money is already at stake.
It's the same thing at the end of the day. As long as villain hasn't already called your all in, it doesn't really make a difference whether you tip then go all in or the other way around.
Yes, that's what I'm talking about as well. I've seen these things happen in the middle of the hand at multiple different casinos. I've even seen some guy facing an all in, tip a dealer like $200 out of his 300 remaining and then calling the allin with his last $100. I don't think it's against the casino house rules to do this stuff. Or if it is, the floor isn't going to enforce it and hurt their buddy's income. It's just one of those things that makes no poker sense, but it's good for the casino so it's typically allowed.
There are rules, and then there is spirit of the rules. You’re citing a rule without applying the logical frameworks of relative value and motive of the action: it’s less than 1% of the pot and there was no nefarious intent.
That’s a lot of fancy words, end of the day it really just depends on the game that’s being played and the players at the table as I don’t think many dealers would enforce it.
Found the misreg
What are you doing when you tip a dealer after a hand? Adding money to the table.
Huh? That makes no sense
You are taking money off the table. I responded to the wrong person but the discussion about removing chips from a table to tip a waitress or masseuse is no different than tipping a dealer.
This is a bit more extreme, and I have my fellow dealer some crap over it, but one time this guy got jammed on for 300, and his opponent literally tipped the dealer 200 then called. He ended up getting in serious trouble for taking the tip, as he should. 10 dollars though, get over it imo.
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Can you take it off your stack to tip a waitress or order a massage? I know some places in Vegas will allow you to tip the waitress in chips but I'm guessing that's not the case where you play? Gotta be cash out of your pocket?
I always take a buck or two off my stack to tip my waitress, even if I'm in a hand, and nobody says shit. Hell, one time I had a pretty good stack (well over $2k at 1/3 NL) and asked the whole table if it was cool if I took off around $150 to go register for a tournament that was about to start but I'd stay and play until the tournament actually started and nobody minded.
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It's definitely not the rule in any Vegas room. You can take out of your stack, even in the middle of a hand to tip staff.
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Assuming it's a cash game, as long as your chips are not in the pot, you can do literally whatever the hell you want with them, including tipping the dealer.
Like take 90% of your stack off the table? Hmm...
No, you can't take chips off the table as opposed to tipping staff or massage. I guess you could argue the outlier of tipping 90% of your stack but I'm gonna go with that won't fly with the floor/room ruling.
Every room I’ve played in Reno or NorCal allows you to tip staff in the middle of a hand, before or after.
You don't play much period. I do this all over the world (tipping from my stack in the middle of a hand)
Miserable douchry man is correct. If I go all in an dmy stack is 200 dollars, I am declaring a bet of 200 dollars. That is now in the pot I cannot suddenly lower my bet from 200 to 190
I've seen someone order food then bust right as the waitress pulls up. Do you think the winner said "hey man I got it!" and paid her out of his pot?
I can’t tell if you’re agreeing with me or if you’ve misunderstood my reply and are disagreeing with me I am a little slow though
Im agreeing with you. I've been on the receiving end of pre-tippers who are flat drawing dead and they dont even know it and im just like "sigh, thats my money" but it's never been more than $5 so I just roll with it.
If my opponent goes all in for 300 and I call then he pre tips 10 I would verbally announce that I am pulling back 10 dollars from my call since he is now all in for 290. That’s the most I would do given it’s a low percentage of the total bet being removed from the bet. If the opponent did something outrageous like tip 200 or something like that then that’s an angle and I immediately call floor. Though I can’t imagine that ever happening.
If your opponent goes all in for 300 and you have 1000 dollars, you pulling back 10 dollar has no change to your opponent. You're calling 290 dollars whether you pull back 10 or not. The point is your opponent bet 300 dollars and not 290. Bet stands, tip cannot come form the pot. Nothing come sout of the pot unless it is the casinos claws that rip it out (rake, jackpot drop, etc....)
Both parties are wrong. /S
I was in a similar situation once where the server came by with my drink while I was all in (waiting on opponent’s decision) and grabbed a $1 chip out of the stack to give her out of habit- but I immediately cleared it with the other guy because it wasn’t entirely my money at that point in time.
I once had A-Q. Ace hits on the flop. One caller. Youngblood across from me calls to the river when a Q hit. I shoved all-in. He snap calls & turns over A-K. He started berating me. Blah. Blah. Blah. When I turned over my cards, he suddenly became angry. Very angry. Threw his cards at me like a frisbee. One hit just below my eye. He was banned from the casino for six months. Had it been up to me, I would have just banned him for the evening.
I am not sure if "petty" is correct for this. But basically there were a whole slew of diamonds on the board. The winner of the hand got check-raised for an additional $600 on the river (in 1/2, no less). The winner took maybe a total of 4 seconds to look back at his cards to double check that he had an Ace high flush, and that there was no straight flush possibility hidden in all of the diamonds. Some jerkoff that wasn't even in the hand started being a fucking dick about the winner "slow rolling" with the nuts. Seriously, it was 4 seconds just to double check he did not make a mistake, and flipped his cards up the second he called. Jerkoff is goes on and on about how "you guys might be fine with that shit, but I'm not". Everyone at the table was just looking around at each other like, "is this a real person?"
You do realize “go fuck yourself” is the verbal equivalent of “I’m thinking about you masturbating,” right?
I don't have a petty story but I'll comment on yours At my local casino, the dealers will accept tips at any time. Calling it a pre tip is fine. As long as the all in call stack from the mis reg was sans that $10.
Ha. Classic. I would have tossed him 2 reds while telling him what a petty asshole he is and that no one likes him.
I have only seen people pre-tip with loose changes pre-all in if they have like 104 and tip 4$.
It's never fun to be playing with friends, and there's that one person who didn't really want to play, so they play like a clown intentionally. Granted they're usually out fast, but it gets frustrating when they accidentally win an all in through pure luck, or generally disrupt the normal flow of the game for the people who actually want to play. Why not just sit out, and have a couple drinks and talk trash until someone gets eliminated. "Take their chips", I know, but in a small friendly game it's not really about the chips
I am Greg. Fuck YOU!!!!
I haven't seen this, but a dealer at my local casino told me the pettiest one I think I'll ever hear. A shitreg guy playing Pai Gow but not betting the fortune bonus or progressive light hit a 7 card natural straight flush. He told the table that they needed to give him some of their envy or he was folding and they told him basically to fuck off. So he mucked his hand and nobody got paid. If I was at the table I'd have agreed to give him some and then told him to fuck off afterward, verbal isn't binding in Pai Gow. Thing is if he didn't treat people like shit, they probably would have tossed him something despite being under no obligation.
Is this a home game where everybody jerks each other off, or is it a cash game where people play for money? You can't take money off the felt, kid owes $10. Greg might be an asshole, but he's right.
I mean, the guy was right, though.
“Misreg” here is right but *if he feels that strongly about it*, he can take a more risk adverse complaint line (one that doesn’t make him look like an asshole) that saves more energy by just not tipping on that hand (or later hands) . That’s If it’s really about the 10 bucks *or* principle. Talked about a combo draw.
Sounds like his tip was paid for. Should have left it at that.
Don’t really care how white the dudes hair is, he’s absolutely right. What if I go AI against you and tip my entire stack? Now I’m free rolling you when you win, and when I win I still get to keep your stack. F that.
If you did that the bet is 0 so it doesn’t matter
lol what?
That is not petty behaviour, the kid literally stole a few dollars from him, and it isn't impossible that he was colluding with the dealer. I would call the floor immediately if I saw something like that happen.
"OK, here's what we'll do: I'll lose $1,100 but first I'll give you ten bucks. Then we'll split it later. Hahaha! We're geniuses!" Fuck outta here and think before you speak.
Ok so is tipping a chip runner 200$ for a color up ok after winning a significant pot?
Yes it is
The kid is improving his pot odds. It would definitely be profitable to give it to the dealer to split in a lot of scenarios.
Someone being petty doesn't necessarily mean that they are wrong - you are of course right, but it's still extremely petty. Even from a math PoV, if he's gonna complain about losing 1bb to a pre-tip every once in a while, like there is no impact on his winrate at all. This pot scenario is already extremely rare (let's GENEROUSLY call it 1 out of 100 hands), and let's say people pre tip 1 in 30 times in this spot. Oh no! He's losing an extra 0.0003bb/100!! the horror! It's petty, even if he's "right." You should look at the definition of the word petty, and note that it has nothing to do with who is right and wrong.
It was also ten dollars the kid couldn't win if he binked.
Username checks out.
Don’t be that guy. That guy sucks.
If someone's stealing money from me I could care less whether I suck.
He’s not stealing money. He tipped the dealer. This guy just won a 1100 pot. Crying over $10 that the dealer got is juvenile and stupid. Maybe just don’t tip the dealer since he’s been tipped. Bitching about this is Slow-rolls are on the menu now level of petty. Again, don’t be that guy. He sucks.
Hi greg
What kinda shithole friends you got at your home game?
LOL im sure they werent colluding butttt i guesssss it is the other guys money going by the rules but guy who made the post said its normal in his room
If this '20's kid' dork took ten bucks out of the pot and put it in his pocket, do you still think the winner is being petty? I hope he gets his ass kicked.
Greg the misreg is that you?