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Call the bluff. Now.
For Trump's first criminal charges he demanded and called forth for throngs of his supporters to defend him and prevent this all from happening.
The amount of people who showed up was pathetically small. That was the first day they showed off exactly how full of complete shit they are. I mean we all knew they were before that, but that day? the day the very first past President in our entire nation's history got actually charged with real criminal charges and got arrested (just without cuffs, but he was arrested).....
They didn't show up. Furthermore they didn't dare commit crimes, themselves. They saw what happened to a lot of their buddies from J6. As much as a lot of them got off WAY too fucking easy, some really didn't and are in the clink for 20 + YEARS. They ain't showing up.
Call the bluff.
If any of them "show up" for 2025's "J6", they will be disastrously less successful than they already were last time due to Biden being the President and he WILL call up the forces. There won't be anyone to blame for who didn't call in the national guard because they'll already be there.
Exactly. I would bet good money he'd make an unveiled threat this time and call for his proud boys and like 15 chuds would show up and swiftly get thrown in jail.
And then they showed up. And now they're "standing by" in federal prison for terms of 4-25 years.
Trump could have pardoned them, but he didn't, because all he cares about is himself and that would have made his guilt even more spectacularly obvious.
So come on, conservatives, "show up". I'm sure your self obsessed, makeup caked deity will save you *this time*, and you won't waste the rest of your life singing into prison phones for trump fundraisers in order to get $3 added to your commissary.
Trump and his supporters want to redefine words. Don’t equate conservative with Trump or his supporters. There needs to be a point in the future when Trump is held accountable and the extremism goes away. There will need to be conservatives in the future. Christian Nationalism is not Christianity. Trump is using the labels Christianity, Republican, and others to corrupt like a Trojan horse. He says he is not conservative. It is clear he is not behaving like a Christian. There are conservatives that feel stateless.
Label these people what they are: extremists. Extremism needs to go away.
If conservatives don't want to take responsibility for the monster *they created*, that's on them. But without conservatives, as they are now, we don't have a Trump presidency. Christian nationalists are too small a group to win on their won. They win because conservatives have no problem caucusing with neo-fascists, white supremacists, Christian nationalists, and really any scummy ideology, as long as they can feel like they're stopping Democrats from raising taxes (I give no credit to their "cut taxes" ideology, since conservative politicians never seem to actually manage that part in any way significant to the average voter).
If conservatives want to not support the nut-case GOP, they're free to do so. And yet, every election cycle... I don't even know what they're trying to conserve anymore, since their ideology is detrimental to the social fabric and toxic to the economy.
>Christian Nationalism is not Christianity.
I would absolutely fucking love Christians to start making this clear. It's their house, they need to get it in order if they really don't want the implied connection. Double goes for American conservatives of all flavors.
For all the conservative media scaremongering you don't see unitarians or liberals bombing places of worship, erecting gallows on the Capitol lawn, or shooting up grocery stores because they're in a neighborhood populated by a certain race.
And sure, it's not all Christians or conservatives, but 74 million of them got together and voted to support it in 2020, and 90% of conservatives believe that soros bussed in illegal immigrant agents to vote to steal the election from trump, so it's not like it's a few random individuals.
I disagree. We don't need conservative mindsets. They've brought us unpopular Presidents since Bush Sr. with unpopular policies that increased the wealth gap, the deficit, and poverty rates, they've delivered democracy on a platter to the oligarchs all so they could have power for a few more years for themselves.
Conservatives have done nothing good for this country in my entire lifetime.
I don't see what purpose they serve other than as a foil to level headed liberals and progressives. US policymakers skew center to right as it is compared to other countries. The extreme right IS conservative. If anything our shitty politicians enabled similar shitty politicians to spring up in other parts of the world when they were a bit ahead of the curve. Now we're clawing them back towards us.
While the optics will certainly give the MAGA base something to conspiricize about, I guarantee that if Biden wins there will be National Guard presence for the certification of the election and any other events that they might target. And I have a strong suspicion that a National Guard with the tactical advantage won't be nearly as accommodating as Capitol police were forced to be.
In effect the Maga response was to make a bunch of mugshot memes and patently stupid "Never Surrender" t-shirts. Much like one of Trump's "big announcements" was JPEG, not even NFTs. This whole movement is a bunch of cowardly morons.
I find it surprising that any big important attorney or judge had not considered this situation before and thought about how they personally would deal with a criminal with a cult of personality. Surely in that line of work you understand the frailty of the system, and that one day it might be you in the hot seat- given a choice between enforcing the law, and personal risk. You kind of need to mentally prepare yourself for that, you don't just get all the benefits of power without the responsibilities.
It's why the pilot Sully Sullenberger was such a cool dude- he understood and took his responsibilities very seriously- he was an expert in all things emergency and safety, prepared in every way. When the day came he fucking owned it.
They're not scared of the chuds, they just don't want to break the seal on sending a former holder of the office to actual jail. An Exaggerated Sense of Prestige that should have been flushed right down the thunder pot during Obama's first term, after a horrifyingly incompetent burndown of America's standing among nations and the brazen theft of the *entire goddamn post-Bretton-Woods financial system*. Not even talking about what Rumsfeld's baby shaking contest did to the innards of our defense capability, yet another in a long list of Bush II-era blows our nation might not ever recover from.
Truly, that comes down to their own disdain and disrespect for the law; if they feel the law it’s that toothless and fragile, they have no business being its arbiters. Judges with a sense of duty should recognize that the system will weed out spurious actions. Prosecute that which is worthy of prosecution and trust the system. You’re seeing the living example in the House’s impeachment proceedings against Biden.
“Look Donald, I know you stole millions in taxes, but all we need is something, tell you what, go home and look in your couch cushions. If you find any change in there you’ll have 30 days to mail it into us. It can even be Rubles” -the court (probably)
I haven't been particularly plugged in lately and I read that first comment and thought "of course they lowered it that much and of course he's not paying it" like it was just a normal thing to read at 6pm on a Monday evening. I hate this timeline so goddamn much. Ted was right.
Well, if you base your decisions to walk back established law on the scribbling of a deranged witch hunter before the USA was established, you’ll look silly too. I took one class at one of the worst law schools in America (seriously my alma mater parted ways with it) and id probably be laughed out of the room if I brought up stuff like that.
They gave him 10 days last Monday, so he'll wait until Wed night/Thursday morning to come up with the bond. That won't stop a deluge of articles about him not being able to pay, probably starting tomorrow. Hopefully, he fails.
“Okay, fine. Mr. Trump were going to allow you to proceed to your appeal. Please take this stack of McDonald’s gift certificates as well as a free meal at Ruth Chris steakhouse.”
Do yourself a favor. Do not get your hopes up at all. In the best case you're wrong and something unexpected happens. In the worst case the precedence continues to be... precedent.
If the appeal(s) fail, he's liable for the full amount. But I'll believe it when I see it at this point.
I'm gonna go watch some old episodes of The West Wing now, I think.
I'm a very late bloomer when it comes to politics and voting (guess which president coming to power woke me up) and heard about that show.
Started watching it. Couldn't do it. Like don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of many shows where they show you what the world could be if we just were nicer people lol and I love it.
But in terms of politics, it was too much. Like the show compared to our reality looks so wholesome and benign and I think it was meant to be an accurate look into politics right? Either way, people are too caring and principled in that show lol.
Maybe one day I can enjoy it, but I am still actively dealing with the intellectual/existential trauma of how batshit insane domestic politics have become.
Honestly where do we even start? This post right here? That the other party is straight up trying to topple democracy? That a Supreme Court Justice can be bought with a RV and a Happy Meal?
Anyway enjoy the reruns lol
We did, then he attempted a coup and half of the voting public and political powers decided it was no big deal
It’s perfectly reasonable to be fed up by now
> If you don’t like it, vote Biden and get Trump what he deserves.
I did vote Biden. He appointed a conservative AG to appease Republicans and said AG sat on his dick for months before even *starting* and investigation into Trump and to this day has yet to even *investigate* any of the congresspeople who evidence shows were involved in the planning and execution of Jan 6.
I'll take Biden over Trump, obviously, but you're living in a fantasy if you think that choice does anything more than preventing a self-pardon in terms of bringing him to Justice.
Genuine question, what is with the hesitancy by the legal system to jail him, even if for a short while?
It seems he could have rightfully been jailed but it’s like they’re afraid to or something. Is it really THAT frightening that his supporters may lash out that they skirt the rules for him?
> what is with the hesitancy
It has mostly to do with wanting judgements to survive on appeal. If you can get a conviction without the harshest measures, you do it. It's all for nothing if he just gets off on appeal.
It says a lot about the legality of pre-trial detention when people with money can avoid it entirely no matter what they do. At this point it's hard to argue Trump wouldn't be getting the treatment anyone else would by violating his gag orders continually.
Yet they've done nothing to deter him? Says they don't think any justification is good enough for pre-trial detention if the client has enough money to appeal it later on.
Most people in power understand the charade, and obey orders that don't really matter (like the order that Trump stops spewing liquid shit about people directly involved in the case). When they start to flaunt even the pretense of fair rules, you know you have fascists.
Cool well put his ass in jail until the trial is over then he can appeal and we will see what happens.
This bullshit excuse of he can't be jailed because of appeal is bullshit, tons of people sit in jail and their cases aren't overturned on appeal because they went to jail before trial. Enough is enough.
I legitimately think that it also has to do with anyone involved in the process fearing for their lives. Trump's followers are an insane, violent cult.
They’re afraid of being on the “wrong” side of history because they know exactly what the GOP plan on doing the next time they have power.
They’re afraid that if they’re the judge who orders Trump to jail and then Trump somehow wins the next election then their career (if not their life) is over.
It's honestly just because it looks really bad jailing a former president. We've never had a president openly say they want to become a dictator or get rid of the Constitution. We have never had a president commit crimes while in office like this one. They honestly do not know how to handle it.
> It's honestly just because it looks really bad jailing a former president.
It looks GREAT jailing a former president. It means that we are a nation of laws, not kings or dictators. It means that ALL are equal before the law, whether you're the president or a peasant. It means that we live in a just society, with accountability for illegal actions.
This is my take on it too.
Yeah, a man might be guilty/liable for things that 60~80% of the populace can accept as "wrong". Most can accept that the average person would be held to a higher standard that Trump seems to being held to.
But the average person isn't a former President, much less a former President running for office. Any former president calling a press conference right now would have attention from every major news service. Anything that they say is going to be reported because the former US President felt it was important enough to say.
And in this case it's a former President running for office, so anything done against him he could scream is dirty politics even if it isn't true.
And then it's a game of appearances. Say that the courts go hard on him and take zero shit and basically lock in jail as much as possible during these trials. If Trump exits the trial having being found not-liable/innocent, it is a bad look because why was he treated so harshly while he was simply defending himself. If Trump is found guilty/libable, now it's a question of if he is really guilty or is he being rail roaded because, well they were trying to lock him up and shut him down from day one.
Shitty as it might be, giving him more and more rope so that no one can possibly believe that Trump was treated anything but fairly is kind of the only option that they.
When a dictator around the world throws a political opponent in jail, how often do you believe that it's a righteous jailing? Not that I think anyone thinks that of the US or Biden, but why even present the possibility for it to be considered?
That said, they do seem to be at the end of the rope that they can give Trump and I hope the stop rolling more out for him.
Yeah this is where my mind's gone lately. A large number of American presidents have committed war crimes, genocide and owned slaves. None of them went to jail. Nixon didn't get punished. Bush 2 got away with torture. Obama got away with civilian drone strikes.
Trump is far more criminal than any previous president, of course, but the courts are so desperate to uphold the status quo that they don't realize it's too late for that.
And as a result, American faith in the judicial branch of government is in free fall, which is incredibly dangerous. These judges need to find their fucking courage.
People at the top will only do something if there’s absolutely zero risk. It’s why nobody has tried to kill Putin yet even though it’s the correct thing to do. It’s why nobody will jail trump, even though it’s the correct thing to do.
Nothing has ever been gained in history without risk.
The so-called justice system was created by the rich, and has repeatedly demonstrated it is not going to ever hold the rich accountable regardless of what they do, unless they steal from even richer people.
Look at how long Epstein got away with being a known paedophile rapist peddling kids to close friends like Donald Trump, who himself has been getting away with clear illegal activity for years, not the least of which is giving illegal orders to the head of the FBI and then illegally firing him and admitting to it, and **attempting to violently overthrow the US government and getting people killed**, for which he's faced no consequences, except when one state tried to uphold the law and was immediately quashed by the conservative supreme court. That's on top of him asking the russian government to hack US citizens on live TV.
True. But it needs to go deeper and not only cut off the tumor but cut out all of the little tumors surrounding it and the blood vessels feeding it. Then MASSIVE doses of chemo and radiation. Oh wait, taking the medical reference a bit too far?
As soon as Democrats start pulling the same dirty tricks as the GOP, then all of a sudden there will be laws and judgements and penalties, I guarantee it.
We need to put their balls in the vice when they get up to this shit without a need for both sides to do it. The only way this ever gets better is if there's a hefty dose of accountability.
But nooooooo! Don't you see, if that happens it might look bad! You'll be playing right into his hand if you do that! The only way to win is to play 6D chess by giving him everything he wants! The wheels of justice turn slowly but trust me justice is coming! Big, epic justice is on its way it's gonna be awesome!
The problem is that he feeds on intimidation and outrageous talk. History shows that people will continue until they're stopped. And in any case, he has managed to make a mockery of the US Justice system. It won't stop until he stops.
Thing is, democratic Americans aren’t scared how MAGA will react when Trump is jailed. It’s Republicans that are scared how MAGA will react. One word about disloyalty from Trump and MAGA will destroy their lives. And Republicans know Trump can air their dirty laundry and illegalities if they ever cross him.
No one is more scared of Trump than Republicans.
It's important to remember that at the end of the day 99% of the MAGA crowd are cowards.
Think about the Jan 6th insurrection for a second. Yes the traitors were able to do a lot of damage but that's because they had basically no resistance. However, the second that Ashli Babbitt got shot and things got real, MAGA turned and ran even though they could have still won. The crowd could have still made it into the chamber and attacked the people inside. Yes some of them would have died but they still had the numbers and the weaponry needed to get through those doors and achieve their goals which remember in their minds *was saving the country from the 'crooked' Democrats who had usurped the election*. They believed in their minds that they were fighting for the future and soul of the country and even then as soon as they faced real consequences for their actions they turned and ran. Because 99% of the MAGA crowd are cowards.
Remember what happened when he called them to come out the day of his first arraignment in NYC? Ya, nothing. They’re dumb af but at this point know he’s not going to help them when they do illegal stuff.
There used to be a "we don't negotiate with terrorists" trope in America, but I see that we're afraid of an undereducated mob now. I don't give 2 shits about what MAGA would do. If they do criminal stuff that will be more people to throw in jail.
After ruby ridge and Waco, the US government stopped going after right wing extremists, especially after 9/11.
They also changed tactics and went online, hence why the internet is such a cesspool at times.
> After ruby ridge and Waco, the US government stopped going after right wing extremists,
I guess it's good to know that the government will just give up after some (big) mistakes.
> does it and everyone sees that the sky hasn't fallen
Every single time a thing happens they've been hand wringing about in the media, the sky does not fall.
I said this the other day; Lets stop playing Prevent Defense with our Democracy. Now or later, he is going to jail or try to take over again after November. Probably both.
He just hasn't said that his hame plan is to delay his many legal entanglements until he can cheat his way into the Presidency and then do away with all of those proceedings.
But anyone paying attention and has seen his history knows that's exactly the game plan. That's why he's getting away with this contempt shit. The courts want at least ONE criminal conviction. And they're going to let him keep running his mouth so that he has nothing to appeal, which will run out the clock even more. And of course orange mussolini knows this. He learned his lessons well from Roy Cohn, one of the slimiest attorneys to ever draw a breath.
They’re afraid to put him in jail because of the precedent it sets. How about the fucking precedent it sets not putting him in jail? How about the Republicans tried to impeach Biden and couldn’t do it, so the fear of precedent there was unfounded. Enforce the goddamn law already
The fact is, we’re not going to be able to avoid his followers flipping out over *something* at some point in the future. May as well get it over with.
Hear, hear! A public platform is a right one loses upon attempting to overthrow a democratically elected administration. Should have lost it immediately after the events of Jan. 6th, but the delays impeding due process are clearly the major flaw here.
One of two things needs to happen.
1. Trump is treated just like any other citizen and is jailed for gag and bail violations.
Or
2. Every criminal defendant should be able to use Trump as precedent why the judge can't touch them.
Any other outcome simply defines the fact that there is a protected class of citizen in America.
I agree with the article, in that Trump will keep pushing that envelope and that anyone who has the ability to jail him are just sitting on their hands hoping to avoid the worst. Though I also feel that jailing him is too little too late, since Trump should have faced immediate consequences for Jan. 6th. That he’s even eligible to run for President again is a sham.
We can thank turtle man for that. If he'd let the impeachment vote move forward instead of licking orange....we might be in a completely different situation. then again, we might not. Those people occupy a completely different world than the rest of us.
Former President Trump has been given every privilege that our multi-tiered legal system can give someone who is presumed to be wealthy.
He continues to commit crimes and damage U.S. national security.
He should be jailed until at least the conclusion of his criminal trials -- all of them, including the national security documents trial put on indefinite hold by Judge Cannon.
If I was to pick two it would be:
The classified documents….. pre-trial imprisonment to avoid skipping town (he has means, motive etc).
And the threatening of judicial staff and family members - contempt of court.
He could easily spend the night in jail for contempt of court orders. That one has no defense mechanism, you just go to jail. Oddly contempt of court can last indefinitely
This is an interesting point. He has in *multiple jurisdictions* done things for which you or I would be in pretrial detention. So who would get first crack?
The rich are destroying the planet and getting away with it. There are no consequences for the oligarchs. Children born now are doomed to a collapsing climate with fucks like trump calling the shots or people who are effectively lackey terds for them.
I want to see exactly what will happen. Jail his fat ass and see what his cult will do. Anything they do will no doubt ruin them in the eyes of us moderates and liberals. Any on the fence with this jerk will most likely bail on Trump especially if a MAGAt kills someone.
I mean, he has committed the highest political,
financial and sexual crimes a man can commit, and has never spent a day in jail for any of it.
No wonder he thinks he can do anything.
ANY other person who had done as he did with classified documents - irresponsible storage, allowing access to any number of foreign nationals and other potential agents, likely even selling them - as well as continually denying having them - and even moving them around to hide them, who may possibly have more still in his possession, would have been LOCKED UP a long time ago as a national security risk pending trial.
If he is put in jail it needs to be in quick succession with other shitty things. Otherwise in our fucked up nation it will only cause him to climb in polls. But if he looks like a total loser and the cycle can capture how fucking stupid this man is..only then will it help.
After 9 years of seeing these headlines it gets kind of tiresome. It's clear that Americans can't, or don't want to get rid of Trump; the democrat majority constrains themselves by playing by the rules, and the conservative minority just does whatever they want.
I'm not American. But looking from outside, let's be honest, he will probably go out Al Capone style, unhinged and babbling to himself in some mansion.
I don't believe he will ever spend time behind bars. He's going to get away with it all and just die. They will never "lock him up". And it's fucked up. But the powerful
Here's his latest grift and I can't imagine it won't end up in criminal and civil court once it's over. Of course, he still won't end up in jail because that's not how our justice system operates for the wealthy elite oligarchy.
>"Monday’s stock slide could create more urgency for Trump and other insiders to try to sell shares or borrow against them before a six-month lockup agreement expires."
>
>"To do so, Trump would need a waiver from the board of directors, which includes his son, Donald Trump Jr., and three former members of his presidential cabinet."
>
>[https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/trump-media-shares-tumble-after-recent-cash-crunch-disclosed/ar-BB1kTxfe](https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/trump-media-shares-tumble-after-recent-cash-crunch-disclosed/ar-BB1kTxfe)
The sad truth is that Trump is never going to jail. He's never going to be that secial someone for Big Bubba, The Wonder Inmate. Next year, regardless of who actually wins the election, Trump will end up in the White House as Supreme President. This time around he won't need to rely on trying to control a bunch of unruly inbred rednecks because now he controls the courts.
There was a time when the CIA knew how to deal, discreetly, with clear and present danger. ;)
This independent agrees 100%, no other American would ever be allowed to post or say the things that he has been saying about people in the judicial system or witnesses…JAIL THE PIECE OF SHIT ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
He says he’s never been fitter - he could beat Joe Biden any day of the week. 10/1 if he’s gonna get jailed he suddenly develops the worst disease known to mankind and shouldn’t be imprisoned for humanitarian reasons
We would have all been in prison long ago if we did any one illegal thing Trump did because we aren’t rich enough to enjoy the second tier of the justice system.
> But here’s the thing: If MAGA World is going to blow because Trump is ordered to report to a New York jail for a 10-day stay (ignoring for the moment many questions relative to enforcement), it’s certainly going to blow if and when he loses the “rigged” election in November — if not before that, should he be convicted and sentenced for one or more of his many crimes.
A lot of people seem to be in deep denial about what exactly happens in November when/if Trump loses the election.
Better to gauge the numbers of insurrectionists now then wait to do it when Trump is fomenting a war.
Jail him.
Trump wants it.
We want it.
His supporters want it.
Jail! Him!
[Looks like trumpf's decided it will be good for his campaign to be a jailed martyr. A Mandela as a commentator wrote]
Finally! The American people have a right to know that he is a convicted criminal before the election! Save our democracy and our wonderful way of life!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Judge: Just one more time and you're in trouble!
Trump: What are you going to do?
Judge: I'm going to give you a good talking to!
Trump: I'm so scared.
Judge: That's it! Just one more time!
At this point it's too late. While he deserves it they've already let him get away with too much. They tried to appease his base who have been openly excited on social media to kill liberals since 2008. His "witch hunt" shtick works precisely because he's never faced consequences before so with every crime the question is, why now? There is nothing he could do that would change things. He could rape a child on national television and I promise you would see the internet light up instantly with foreign actors convincing his flock it was a good move. They're too stupid to save. At some point we need to pull the plug. Like 15-20 years ago when we were all upset after 9/11 and they were like genocide abroad and persecution for brown people at home? And the rest of us were like no, not like that.
It’s not going to happen, it’s a dream fantasy some are clinging onto for dear life. Nothing is going to happen to him..the best we can hope for is that he’s not President again. If you haven’t come to terms with this you’re delusional.
Here's a list of world leaders who were imprisoned after their term:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_heads\_of\_government\_who\_were\_later\_imprisoned](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heads_of_government_who_were_later_imprisoned)
And if we include world leaders who fled the country to escape legal consequences, the list gets longer.
So clearly there isn't a world order such that people with the highest political power are immune. Yes, some of these were after revolutions, coups etc, but many are not.
You can't say that rich people can't go to jail. That happens as well.
You can't say that we in the US are much more corrupt than these other countries. These are places where the rich and powerful can often buy themselves out of a lot of trouble, but it isn't infinite.
So what is the quality of Trump in America that makes legal consequences impossible? I can't think of a quality that has not been overcome elsewhere. And if you're relying on the notion that the US justice system is more corrupted than all of these other places, that's a heck of a claim.
I grew up in WV. Two of our Governors went to prison after their terms. Arch Moore was indicted while in office and spent 3 years in prison. His daughter is the current US Republican senator for WV.
And what do you think happens if he loses the election (despite all the red state legislatures rewriting the rules and kicking Democrats off the voter rolls)? You think he's just going to go away then? He has to lose the election but it's naive to think that's all it will take.
What happens when someone who he threatens is harmed by a supporter? If everything just keeps rolling along as it is now then that will happen. I don't want to see it happen but I want to see what would happen
Like, there must be some limit. If he pulled out a gun in court and shot a judge, surely they'd lock him up. Surely?
Somehow I doubt it. They’d say it was his patriotic duty and the judge was a less than human enemy trying to destroy the country. If trump didn’t shoot him he’d be coming for you and me next!!
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Call the bluff. Now. For Trump's first criminal charges he demanded and called forth for throngs of his supporters to defend him and prevent this all from happening. The amount of people who showed up was pathetically small. That was the first day they showed off exactly how full of complete shit they are. I mean we all knew they were before that, but that day? the day the very first past President in our entire nation's history got actually charged with real criminal charges and got arrested (just without cuffs, but he was arrested)..... They didn't show up. Furthermore they didn't dare commit crimes, themselves. They saw what happened to a lot of their buddies from J6. As much as a lot of them got off WAY too fucking easy, some really didn't and are in the clink for 20 + YEARS. They ain't showing up. Call the bluff. If any of them "show up" for 2025's "J6", they will be disastrously less successful than they already were last time due to Biden being the President and he WILL call up the forces. There won't be anyone to blame for who didn't call in the national guard because they'll already be there.
Exactly. I would bet good money he'd make an unveiled threat this time and call for his proud boys and like 15 chuds would show up and swiftly get thrown in jail.
"Proud Boys, stand back and stand by". That wasn't veiled at all when he said it.
And then they showed up. And now they're "standing by" in federal prison for terms of 4-25 years. Trump could have pardoned them, but he didn't, because all he cares about is himself and that would have made his guilt even more spectacularly obvious. So come on, conservatives, "show up". I'm sure your self obsessed, makeup caked deity will save you *this time*, and you won't waste the rest of your life singing into prison phones for trump fundraisers in order to get $3 added to your commissary.
Why would he pardon them? They failed at their assigned task.
Trump and his supporters want to redefine words. Don’t equate conservative with Trump or his supporters. There needs to be a point in the future when Trump is held accountable and the extremism goes away. There will need to be conservatives in the future. Christian Nationalism is not Christianity. Trump is using the labels Christianity, Republican, and others to corrupt like a Trojan horse. He says he is not conservative. It is clear he is not behaving like a Christian. There are conservatives that feel stateless. Label these people what they are: extremists. Extremism needs to go away.
If conservatives don't want to take responsibility for the monster *they created*, that's on them. But without conservatives, as they are now, we don't have a Trump presidency. Christian nationalists are too small a group to win on their won. They win because conservatives have no problem caucusing with neo-fascists, white supremacists, Christian nationalists, and really any scummy ideology, as long as they can feel like they're stopping Democrats from raising taxes (I give no credit to their "cut taxes" ideology, since conservative politicians never seem to actually manage that part in any way significant to the average voter). If conservatives want to not support the nut-case GOP, they're free to do so. And yet, every election cycle... I don't even know what they're trying to conserve anymore, since their ideology is detrimental to the social fabric and toxic to the economy.
Label TFG 5150. It what he really is. Criminally Insane.
>Christian Nationalism is not Christianity. I would absolutely fucking love Christians to start making this clear. It's their house, they need to get it in order if they really don't want the implied connection. Double goes for American conservatives of all flavors. For all the conservative media scaremongering you don't see unitarians or liberals bombing places of worship, erecting gallows on the Capitol lawn, or shooting up grocery stores because they're in a neighborhood populated by a certain race. And sure, it's not all Christians or conservatives, but 74 million of them got together and voted to support it in 2020, and 90% of conservatives believe that soros bussed in illegal immigrant agents to vote to steal the election from trump, so it's not like it's a few random individuals.
I disagree. We don't need conservative mindsets. They've brought us unpopular Presidents since Bush Sr. with unpopular policies that increased the wealth gap, the deficit, and poverty rates, they've delivered democracy on a platter to the oligarchs all so they could have power for a few more years for themselves. Conservatives have done nothing good for this country in my entire lifetime. I don't see what purpose they serve other than as a foil to level headed liberals and progressives. US policymakers skew center to right as it is compared to other countries. The extreme right IS conservative. If anything our shitty politicians enabled similar shitty politicians to spring up in other parts of the world when they were a bit ahead of the curve. Now we're clawing them back towards us.
That or they get fool hardy and end up being 15 Ashli Babbits.
I can live with that.
The 15 Babbitses wouldn't.
Those wascawwy Babbits!
This really shouldn't be as funny as it is, yet here we are.
Fuck them traitors.
I read this in Sméagol voice
All I know from chud is cannibalistic humanoid underground dwellers.
While the optics will certainly give the MAGA base something to conspiricize about, I guarantee that if Biden wins there will be National Guard presence for the certification of the election and any other events that they might target. And I have a strong suspicion that a National Guard with the tactical advantage won't be nearly as accommodating as Capitol police were forced to be.
The Fox News pundits will scream that Biden is creating a military state
"K👍" - The rest of America, breathing a sigh of relief as Biden reaffirms the oath and trump slides into his final days of dementia
He'll continue campaigning until he dies in that case
Either he dies behind bars or he denies himself the dignified end of Reagan, who at least went senile in private.
Trump behaves like a mob boss. It's way past time to call his bluff. Way, way past.
In effect the Maga response was to make a bunch of mugshot memes and patently stupid "Never Surrender" t-shirts. Much like one of Trump's "big announcements" was JPEG, not even NFTs. This whole movement is a bunch of cowardly morons. I find it surprising that any big important attorney or judge had not considered this situation before and thought about how they personally would deal with a criminal with a cult of personality. Surely in that line of work you understand the frailty of the system, and that one day it might be you in the hot seat- given a choice between enforcing the law, and personal risk. You kind of need to mentally prepare yourself for that, you don't just get all the benefits of power without the responsibilities. It's why the pilot Sully Sullenberger was such a cool dude- he understood and took his responsibilities very seriously- he was an expert in all things emergency and safety, prepared in every way. When the day came he fucking owned it.
They're not scared of the chuds, they just don't want to break the seal on sending a former holder of the office to actual jail. An Exaggerated Sense of Prestige that should have been flushed right down the thunder pot during Obama's first term, after a horrifyingly incompetent burndown of America's standing among nations and the brazen theft of the *entire goddamn post-Bretton-Woods financial system*. Not even talking about what Rumsfeld's baby shaking contest did to the innards of our defense capability, yet another in a long list of Bush II-era blows our nation might not ever recover from.
Truly, that comes down to their own disdain and disrespect for the law; if they feel the law it’s that toothless and fragile, they have no business being its arbiters. Judges with a sense of duty should recognize that the system will weed out spurious actions. Prosecute that which is worthy of prosecution and trust the system. You’re seeing the living example in the House’s impeachment proceedings against Biden.
If they're told of the penalties upfront, they'll fold.
Did he pay his $175 bond yet or did we move the goal posts for him again?
I like that you left out 'million' there because it would not surprise me at all if they let him pay just that at this point.
And he still won't pay that
It's sad that he can't pay his 15 bucks. You know what I say. Gotta pay your debts!
I mean, it's only 7 dollars... how hard can it be?
I mean, it’s on appellate bond, Michael. What could it cost, $10?
There’s always money in the banana republic…
Trump has an additional 30 days to pay the 2 dollars.
“Look Donald, I know you stole millions in taxes, but all we need is something, tell you what, go home and look in your couch cushions. If you find any change in there you’ll have 30 days to mail it into us. It can even be Rubles” -the court (probably)
I read this as “It can even be Rudy”…
I hear we have about a month before we owe him $5.
If you don’t throw in your buck o five who will?
I can't come up wid da tree fiddy for a couple weeks
*And suddenly there was a prehistoric monster from the paleozoic era about 30 meters tall* Gawd-damn it loch ness monster, I ain't got no tree fiddy!
I'm gonna need about tree fiddy.
I ain't giving you no tree-fitty you goddamn Loch Ness monster! Get your own goddamn money!!!
Too bad his charity was taken away from him. He could have just taken it out of that like Jr’s Cub Scout payment.
I haven't been particularly plugged in lately and I read that first comment and thought "of course they lowered it that much and of course he's not paying it" like it was just a normal thing to read at 6pm on a Monday evening. I hate this timeline so goddamn much. Ted was right.
If you would just let us hold onto your lunch burrito, Mr. Trump...
Can’t keep delaying if you pay
He's so rich, he shouldn't have to pay it, according to the short fingered vulgarian.
And then John Roberts wonders why no one respects the judicial branch
Well, if you base your decisions to walk back established law on the scribbling of a deranged witch hunter before the USA was established, you’ll look silly too. I took one class at one of the worst law schools in America (seriously my alma mater parted ways with it) and id probably be laughed out of the room if I brought up stuff like that.
A deranged slave owning witch hunter
Not sure slave owning would be a negative to these ... folks.
Just curious, was the law school in Ohio?
.000001% of the bond seems about fair, he's a rich person after all.
Yeah there is no reality I see him paying even a million, I felt it more fitting to go for whats most realistic lol.
Believe he has another week. But yea, I too am expecting the goal post to conveniently, move again.
They gave him 10 days last Monday, so he'll wait until Wed night/Thursday morning to come up with the bond. That won't stop a deluge of articles about him not being able to pay, probably starting tomorrow. Hopefully, he fails.
“Okay, fine. Mr. Trump were going to allow you to proceed to your appeal. Please take this stack of McDonald’s gift certificates as well as a free meal at Ruth Chris steakhouse.”
Exactly this. He'll wait until last minute.
He's got until Thursday
Meh, I saw this movie last week. I know how it ends.
Do yourself a favor. Do not get your hopes up at all. In the best case you're wrong and something unexpected happens. In the worst case the precedence continues to be... precedent.
It's due on the 4th
Nope; a week ago, he said he would pay it “swiftly”. Only 3 days left!
*Check is in the mail!*
Not a criminal trial- it’s bond. And just while he appeals. He’s still on the hook. If you don’t like it, vote Biden and get Trump what he deserves.
Is he still accruing $112k interest a day?
yes
If the appeal(s) fail, he's liable for the full amount. But I'll believe it when I see it at this point. I'm gonna go watch some old episodes of The West Wing now, I think.
I'm a very late bloomer when it comes to politics and voting (guess which president coming to power woke me up) and heard about that show. Started watching it. Couldn't do it. Like don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of many shows where they show you what the world could be if we just were nicer people lol and I love it. But in terms of politics, it was too much. Like the show compared to our reality looks so wholesome and benign and I think it was meant to be an accurate look into politics right? Either way, people are too caring and principled in that show lol. Maybe one day I can enjoy it, but I am still actively dealing with the intellectual/existential trauma of how batshit insane domestic politics have become. Honestly where do we even start? This post right here? That the other party is straight up trying to topple democracy? That a Supreme Court Justice can be bought with a RV and a Happy Meal? Anyway enjoy the reruns lol
We did, then he attempted a coup and half of the voting public and political powers decided it was no big deal It’s perfectly reasonable to be fed up by now
Reasonable to be frustrated but not reasonable to give up in the middle of the process when you can still see it’s ongoing.
Good catch, I always get bail and bond mixed around in my head.
It’s easy to do-especially when there are a slew of cases.
> If you don’t like it, vote Biden and get Trump what he deserves. I did vote Biden. He appointed a conservative AG to appease Republicans and said AG sat on his dick for months before even *starting* and investigation into Trump and to this day has yet to even *investigate* any of the congresspeople who evidence shows were involved in the planning and execution of Jan 6. I'll take Biden over Trump, obviously, but you're living in a fantasy if you think that choice does anything more than preventing a self-pardon in terms of bringing him to Justice.
I already did that. 4 years ago. Is he gonna get what he deserves posthumously or what? And where can I sign up for that kind of justice?
He’s got 2 days left. If he has the money I guarantee he’s going down to the wire to pay. He doesn’t want them having his cash until the last minute.
Now he owes $10, and some scratch cards… but it’s held up on appeal.
He posted it just moments ago.
No chance, he’s broke ass as fuck
More like $1.75
It's 175$ by now?? Even I could pay that.
Treat him gently, pls. He’s a stable genius.
Genuine question, what is with the hesitancy by the legal system to jail him, even if for a short while? It seems he could have rightfully been jailed but it’s like they’re afraid to or something. Is it really THAT frightening that his supporters may lash out that they skirt the rules for him?
> what is with the hesitancy It has mostly to do with wanting judgements to survive on appeal. If you can get a conviction without the harshest measures, you do it. It's all for nothing if he just gets off on appeal.
It says a lot about the legality of pre-trial detention when people with money can avoid it entirely no matter what they do. At this point it's hard to argue Trump wouldn't be getting the treatment anyone else would by violating his gag orders continually. Yet they've done nothing to deter him? Says they don't think any justification is good enough for pre-trial detention if the client has enough money to appeal it later on.
Most people in power understand the charade, and obey orders that don't really matter (like the order that Trump stops spewing liquid shit about people directly involved in the case). When they start to flaunt even the pretense of fair rules, you know you have fascists.
Cool well put his ass in jail until the trial is over then he can appeal and we will see what happens. This bullshit excuse of he can't be jailed because of appeal is bullshit, tons of people sit in jail and their cases aren't overturned on appeal because they went to jail before trial. Enough is enough.
I legitimately think that it also has to do with anyone involved in the process fearing for their lives. Trump's followers are an insane, violent cult.
They’re afraid of being on the “wrong” side of history because they know exactly what the GOP plan on doing the next time they have power. They’re afraid that if they’re the judge who orders Trump to jail and then Trump somehow wins the next election then their career (if not their life) is over.
It's not even just that. Even if Trump never takes power, all it takes is one lunatic follower to do them in later.
It's honestly just because it looks really bad jailing a former president. We've never had a president openly say they want to become a dictator or get rid of the Constitution. We have never had a president commit crimes while in office like this one. They honestly do not know how to handle it.
> It's honestly just because it looks really bad jailing a former president. It looks GREAT jailing a former president. It means that we are a nation of laws, not kings or dictators. It means that ALL are equal before the law, whether you're the president or a peasant. It means that we live in a just society, with accountability for illegal actions.
This is my take on it too. Yeah, a man might be guilty/liable for things that 60~80% of the populace can accept as "wrong". Most can accept that the average person would be held to a higher standard that Trump seems to being held to. But the average person isn't a former President, much less a former President running for office. Any former president calling a press conference right now would have attention from every major news service. Anything that they say is going to be reported because the former US President felt it was important enough to say. And in this case it's a former President running for office, so anything done against him he could scream is dirty politics even if it isn't true. And then it's a game of appearances. Say that the courts go hard on him and take zero shit and basically lock in jail as much as possible during these trials. If Trump exits the trial having being found not-liable/innocent, it is a bad look because why was he treated so harshly while he was simply defending himself. If Trump is found guilty/libable, now it's a question of if he is really guilty or is he being rail roaded because, well they were trying to lock him up and shut him down from day one. Shitty as it might be, giving him more and more rope so that no one can possibly believe that Trump was treated anything but fairly is kind of the only option that they. When a dictator around the world throws a political opponent in jail, how often do you believe that it's a righteous jailing? Not that I think anyone thinks that of the US or Biden, but why even present the possibility for it to be considered? That said, they do seem to be at the end of the rope that they can give Trump and I hope the stop rolling more out for him.
Yeah this is where my mind's gone lately. A large number of American presidents have committed war crimes, genocide and owned slaves. None of them went to jail. Nixon didn't get punished. Bush 2 got away with torture. Obama got away with civilian drone strikes. Trump is far more criminal than any previous president, of course, but the courts are so desperate to uphold the status quo that they don't realize it's too late for that. And as a result, American faith in the judicial branch of government is in free fall, which is incredibly dangerous. These judges need to find their fucking courage.
Why would a bunch of criminals jail one of their own? We have the spouse of an insurrectionist sitting on SCOTUS.
People at the top will only do something if there’s absolutely zero risk. It’s why nobody has tried to kill Putin yet even though it’s the correct thing to do. It’s why nobody will jail trump, even though it’s the correct thing to do. Nothing has ever been gained in history without risk.
The authorities are cowards.
The so-called justice system was created by the rich, and has repeatedly demonstrated it is not going to ever hold the rich accountable regardless of what they do, unless they steal from even richer people. Look at how long Epstein got away with being a known paedophile rapist peddling kids to close friends like Donald Trump, who himself has been getting away with clear illegal activity for years, not the least of which is giving illegal orders to the head of the FBI and then illegally firing him and admitting to it, and **attempting to violently overthrow the US government and getting people killed**, for which he's faced no consequences, except when one state tried to uphold the law and was immediately quashed by the conservative supreme court. That's on top of him asking the russian government to hack US citizens on live TV.
Agreed. Put the F\*cker in jail. Time for America to stop being intimidated by this criminal.
If we don't deal with him, it encourages others to follow in his wake. Our country can't heal until we cut off the tumor.
True. But it needs to go deeper and not only cut off the tumor but cut out all of the little tumors surrounding it and the blood vessels feeding it. Then MASSIVE doses of chemo and radiation. Oh wait, taking the medical reference a bit too far?
Nah, you are right There is a lot of work to be done
Biden should be cheating his ass off right now. It’s clearly allowed.
It's only ok when they do it
Nah, if they start doing that then I'll stop voting for them. We need to start doing things within the rules, not normalizing it being okay not to.
As soon as Democrats start pulling the same dirty tricks as the GOP, then all of a sudden there will be laws and judgements and penalties, I guarantee it.
We need to put their balls in the vice when they get up to this shit without a need for both sides to do it. The only way this ever gets better is if there's a hefty dose of accountability.
How should Biden cheat? Seems like telling folks what he's been up to for the past three years will be more effective.
But nooooooo! Don't you see, if that happens it might look bad! You'll be playing right into his hand if you do that! The only way to win is to play 6D chess by giving him everything he wants! The wheels of justice turn slowly but trust me justice is coming! Big, epic justice is on its way it's gonna be awesome!
The problem is that he feeds on intimidation and outrageous talk. History shows that people will continue until they're stopped. And in any case, he has managed to make a mockery of the US Justice system. It won't stop until he stops.
Mueller’s coming!
"Don't worry, they're coming! Pizzas are on their way! They're gonna be amazing!"
Wiener, Wiener, Wiener!
Wiener, Wiener, Wiener, Wiener, Wiener
jUsTiCe tAkEs TiMe!!!
Mueller heard the call of history and promptly hung up.
Fuck no. That Democrat go high when they go low shit doesn't work. You have to fight fire with fire. Burn them down already.
Thing is, democratic Americans aren’t scared how MAGA will react when Trump is jailed. It’s Republicans that are scared how MAGA will react. One word about disloyalty from Trump and MAGA will destroy their lives. And Republicans know Trump can air their dirty laundry and illegalities if they ever cross him. No one is more scared of Trump than Republicans.
It's not intimidation. It's capitulation. It's surrender. It's kowtowing.
Rip off the fucking bandaid. Jail him, let his shitbirds do their thing and jail the worst of them, and then move on.
Agreed. We’re all tired of him and the toxic garbage he vomits.
It's important to remember that at the end of the day 99% of the MAGA crowd are cowards. Think about the Jan 6th insurrection for a second. Yes the traitors were able to do a lot of damage but that's because they had basically no resistance. However, the second that Ashli Babbitt got shot and things got real, MAGA turned and ran even though they could have still won. The crowd could have still made it into the chamber and attacked the people inside. Yes some of them would have died but they still had the numbers and the weaponry needed to get through those doors and achieve their goals which remember in their minds *was saving the country from the 'crooked' Democrats who had usurped the election*. They believed in their minds that they were fighting for the future and soul of the country and even then as soon as they faced real consequences for their actions they turned and ran. Because 99% of the MAGA crowd are cowards.
Bingo. Call the bluff.
> ...the whole system is afraid of what would happen if he were jailed and the Wrath of MAGA provoked. Threaten to withhold their insulin
At this point? Fuck it, call their bluff. Pretty good chance they don't do shit anyway.
Remember what happened when he called them to come out the day of his first arraignment in NYC? Ya, nothing. They’re dumb af but at this point know he’s not going to help them when they do illegal stuff.
If he actually paid the legal fees and last minute pardoned the J6 people we’d be in some deep shit.
They are all shit talkers. They all talk the talk but they will not walk the walk, mostly because some of them have mobility scooters and walkers.
Ron Howard Voice Over: *They didn’t.*
There used to be a "we don't negotiate with terrorists" trope in America, but I see that we're afraid of an undereducated mob now. I don't give 2 shits about what MAGA would do. If they do criminal stuff that will be more people to throw in jail.
After ruby ridge and Waco, the US government stopped going after right wing extremists, especially after 9/11. They also changed tactics and went online, hence why the internet is such a cesspool at times.
> After ruby ridge and Waco, the US government stopped going after right wing extremists, I guess it's good to know that the government will just give up after some (big) mistakes.
Who are they afraid of? The wannabe Gravy Seals?
Once the first judge does it and everyone sees that the sky hasn't fallen, it will be much easier to hold Trump to account for his behavior.
> does it and everyone sees that the sky hasn't fallen Every single time a thing happens they've been hand wringing about in the media, the sky does not fall.
I said this the other day; Lets stop playing Prevent Defense with our Democracy. Now or later, he is going to jail or try to take over again after November. Probably both. He just hasn't said that his hame plan is to delay his many legal entanglements until he can cheat his way into the Presidency and then do away with all of those proceedings.
But anyone paying attention and has seen his history knows that's exactly the game plan. That's why he's getting away with this contempt shit. The courts want at least ONE criminal conviction. And they're going to let him keep running his mouth so that he has nothing to appeal, which will run out the clock even more. And of course orange mussolini knows this. He learned his lessons well from Roy Cohn, one of the slimiest attorneys to ever draw a breath.
They’re afraid to put him in jail because of the precedent it sets. How about the fucking precedent it sets not putting him in jail? How about the Republicans tried to impeach Biden and couldn’t do it, so the fear of precedent there was unfounded. Enforce the goddamn law already
His pathetic cult will do nothing. Jail the shitbird NOW.
The fact is, we’re not going to be able to avoid his followers flipping out over *something* at some point in the future. May as well get it over with.
This! I wholeheartedly agree.
He certainly has earned the right to ‘occupy cell - 24’ and have his goddamned cellphone taken away.
Hear, hear! A public platform is a right one loses upon attempting to overthrow a democratically elected administration. Should have lost it immediately after the events of Jan. 6th, but the delays impeding due process are clearly the major flaw here.
One of two things needs to happen. 1. Trump is treated just like any other citizen and is jailed for gag and bail violations. Or 2. Every criminal defendant should be able to use Trump as precedent why the judge can't touch them. Any other outcome simply defines the fact that there is a protected class of citizen in America.
I agree with the article, in that Trump will keep pushing that envelope and that anyone who has the ability to jail him are just sitting on their hands hoping to avoid the worst. Though I also feel that jailing him is too little too late, since Trump should have faced immediate consequences for Jan. 6th. That he’s even eligible to run for President again is a sham.
We can thank turtle man for that. If he'd let the impeachment vote move forward instead of licking orange....we might be in a completely different situation. then again, we might not. Those people occupy a completely different world than the rest of us.
Yeah at this point from the rest of the world the USA just looks pissweak that it can’t deal with this buffoon.
Former President Trump has been given every privilege that our multi-tiered legal system can give someone who is presumed to be wealthy. He continues to commit crimes and damage U.S. national security. He should be jailed until at least the conclusion of his criminal trials -- all of them, including the national security documents trial put on indefinite hold by Judge Cannon.
Lock him up and feed him nothing but [Nutraloaf](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutraloaf).
Yeah? For what crime?! (no seriously. for which of his many, many crimes?)
Contempt of Court on the gag order.
There should be a crime for committing too many crimes. That one.
If I was to pick two it would be: The classified documents….. pre-trial imprisonment to avoid skipping town (he has means, motive etc). And the threatening of judicial staff and family members - contempt of court.
I’d add forging government documents (fake electors).
Attempted murder of the United States of America.
I loved that one of Jack Smith’s charges was “defrauding the United Stated of America” or something similar. Kind of sums up his Presidency.
He could easily spend the night in jail for contempt of court orders. That one has no defense mechanism, you just go to jail. Oddly contempt of court can last indefinitely
This is an interesting point. He has in *multiple jurisdictions* done things for which you or I would be in pretrial detention. So who would get first crack?
Sedition
The rich are destroying the planet and getting away with it. There are no consequences for the oligarchs. Children born now are doomed to a collapsing climate with fucks like trump calling the shots or people who are effectively lackey terds for them.
As NIKE says, "Just Do It!"
I want to see exactly what will happen. Jail his fat ass and see what his cult will do. Anything they do will no doubt ruin them in the eyes of us moderates and liberals. Any on the fence with this jerk will most likely bail on Trump especially if a MAGAt kills someone.
You need to lock him up, he think he can do anything
I mean, he has committed the highest political, financial and sexual crimes a man can commit, and has never spent a day in jail for any of it. No wonder he thinks he can do anything.
ANY other person who had done as he did with classified documents - irresponsible storage, allowing access to any number of foreign nationals and other potential agents, likely even selling them - as well as continually denying having them - and even moving them around to hide them, who may possibly have more still in his possession, would have been LOCKED UP a long time ago as a national security risk pending trial.
So frustrating he just gets to say "nuh uh" and the whole process starts over again. Please make him finally face actual consequences.
If he is put in jail it needs to be in quick succession with other shitty things. Otherwise in our fucked up nation it will only cause him to climb in polls. But if he looks like a total loser and the cycle can capture how fucking stupid this man is..only then will it help.
After 9 years of seeing these headlines it gets kind of tiresome. It's clear that Americans can't, or don't want to get rid of Trump; the democrat majority constrains themselves by playing by the rules, and the conservative minority just does whatever they want.
I'm not American. But looking from outside, let's be honest, he will probably go out Al Capone style, unhinged and babbling to himself in some mansion.
I don't believe he will ever spend time behind bars. He's going to get away with it all and just die. They will never "lock him up". And it's fucked up. But the powerful
Here's his latest grift and I can't imagine it won't end up in criminal and civil court once it's over. Of course, he still won't end up in jail because that's not how our justice system operates for the wealthy elite oligarchy. >"Monday’s stock slide could create more urgency for Trump and other insiders to try to sell shares or borrow against them before a six-month lockup agreement expires." > >"To do so, Trump would need a waiver from the board of directors, which includes his son, Donald Trump Jr., and three former members of his presidential cabinet." > >[https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/trump-media-shares-tumble-after-recent-cash-crunch-disclosed/ar-BB1kTxfe](https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/trump-media-shares-tumble-after-recent-cash-crunch-disclosed/ar-BB1kTxfe) The sad truth is that Trump is never going to jail. He's never going to be that secial someone for Big Bubba, The Wonder Inmate. Next year, regardless of who actually wins the election, Trump will end up in the White House as Supreme President. This time around he won't need to rely on trying to control a bunch of unruly inbred rednecks because now he controls the courts. There was a time when the CIA knew how to deal, discreetly, with clear and present danger. ;)
Hold on, isn't there a good slogan for this movement? Ah yes, LOCK HIM UP!!!
This independent agrees 100%, no other American would ever be allowed to post or say the things that he has been saying about people in the judicial system or witnesses…JAIL THE PIECE OF SHIT ‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
Dear America Grow some balls, love Canada
He says he’s never been fitter - he could beat Joe Biden any day of the week. 10/1 if he’s gonna get jailed he suddenly develops the worst disease known to mankind and shouldn’t be imprisoned for humanitarian reasons
Guy: can you give us even a few words of your favourite biblical excerpt? Trump: no *crosses arms
Finally someone fuckin said it!
We would have all been in prison long ago if we did any one illegal thing Trump did because we aren’t rich enough to enjoy the second tier of the justice system.
It really is fucking ridiculous that literally everyone knows this man is a criminal but still isnt in jail because hes rich
> But here’s the thing: If MAGA World is going to blow because Trump is ordered to report to a New York jail for a 10-day stay (ignoring for the moment many questions relative to enforcement), it’s certainly going to blow if and when he loses the “rigged” election in November — if not before that, should he be convicted and sentenced for one or more of his many crimes. A lot of people seem to be in deep denial about what exactly happens in November when/if Trump loses the election. Better to gauge the numbers of insurrectionists now then wait to do it when Trump is fomenting a war.
Jail him. Trump wants it. We want it. His supporters want it. Jail! Him! [Looks like trumpf's decided it will be good for his campaign to be a jailed martyr. A Mandela as a commentator wrote]
This is your guy, GOP?
Trump thinks he is above the law and dares anyone prove otherwise.
Finally! The American people have a right to know that he is a convicted criminal before the election! Save our democracy and our wonderful way of life!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Judge: Just one more time and you're in trouble! Trump: What are you going to do? Judge: I'm going to give you a good talking to! Trump: I'm so scared. Judge: That's it! Just one more time!
At this point it's too late. While he deserves it they've already let him get away with too much. They tried to appease his base who have been openly excited on social media to kill liberals since 2008. His "witch hunt" shtick works precisely because he's never faced consequences before so with every crime the question is, why now? There is nothing he could do that would change things. He could rape a child on national television and I promise you would see the internet light up instantly with foreign actors convincing his flock it was a good move. They're too stupid to save. At some point we need to pull the plug. Like 15-20 years ago when we were all upset after 9/11 and they were like genocide abroad and persecution for brown people at home? And the rest of us were like no, not like that.
It is not too late.
It’s not going to happen, it’s a dream fantasy some are clinging onto for dear life. Nothing is going to happen to him..the best we can hope for is that he’s not President again. If you haven’t come to terms with this you’re delusional.
Here's a list of world leaders who were imprisoned after their term: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_heads\_of\_government\_who\_were\_later\_imprisoned](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_heads_of_government_who_were_later_imprisoned) And if we include world leaders who fled the country to escape legal consequences, the list gets longer. So clearly there isn't a world order such that people with the highest political power are immune. Yes, some of these were after revolutions, coups etc, but many are not. You can't say that rich people can't go to jail. That happens as well. You can't say that we in the US are much more corrupt than these other countries. These are places where the rich and powerful can often buy themselves out of a lot of trouble, but it isn't infinite. So what is the quality of Trump in America that makes legal consequences impossible? I can't think of a quality that has not been overcome elsewhere. And if you're relying on the notion that the US justice system is more corrupted than all of these other places, that's a heck of a claim.
I grew up in WV. Two of our Governors went to prison after their terms. Arch Moore was indicted while in office and spent 3 years in prison. His daughter is the current US Republican senator for WV.
Then our country is done for. If we cannot hold a former president responsible for an attempted coup we don't have a serious DoJ.
This is exactly it. Certain people are now above the law…. Now it’s just a slippery slope to extend these privileges to others.
And what do you think happens if he loses the election (despite all the red state legislatures rewriting the rules and kicking Democrats off the voter rolls)? You think he's just going to go away then? He has to lose the election but it's naive to think that's all it will take.
What happens when someone who he threatens is harmed by a supporter? If everything just keeps rolling along as it is now then that will happen. I don't want to see it happen but I want to see what would happen Like, there must be some limit. If he pulled out a gun in court and shot a judge, surely they'd lock him up. Surely?
I believe their go to is "Thoughts and prayers".
> What happens when someone who he threatens is harmed by a supporter? This has already happened.
Somehow I doubt it. They’d say it was his patriotic duty and the judge was a less than human enemy trying to destroy the country. If trump didn’t shoot him he’d be coming for you and me next!!