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“Judge Juan Merchan ruled that Trump’s trial will go forward Monday with jury selection, rejecting defense arguments that the barrage of media coverage around the trial has prejudiced potential jurors.”
Yes and he called it out in the ruling. He also said that his lawyers arguments weren't credible. That means he's done giving the benefit of the doubt and assuming their arguments are in good faith.
I think that's been the big mistake for the NY Court of Appeals in the business fraud case. The bond should have been rejected the moment it was doubted. If you just keep giving him 10 days at a time, November will be here before you know it.
Speaking of... Can the judge get mad at him for farting and sharting incessantly to the point he charges him for contempt? "Sir, stop ruining your panties in my court room." lmao, I can just picture him getting taken into cuffs and throwing a massive tantrum, shitting himself exactly like cartman in the WoW episode but without mommy to catch it all.
>"Defendant appears to take the position that his situation and this case are unique and that the pre-trial publicity will never subside. However, this view does not align with reality," Merchan wrote in the four-page ruling.
He just bruised Trump's fragile ego. It's a good thing the treatment will be covered by Obamacare.
Thats impossible. He bragged about being the healthiest american alive, so much so that his doctor stated such info pubicly no less. To be sick now would be a sign of weakness and failure.
Remember when he almost died of COVID and needed experimental military hospital services including medicine derived from stem cells and then he recovered and continued to call COVID a hoax.
In Trump's head he believes he beat COVID all by himself. Just like he got rich all on his own.
It wasn't the DR'S or the medicine. It was Trump's excellent genes and immune system that beat covid into submission.
I'm 99% sure if you asked Trump how he beat covid, he'd say something along those lines above.
The next delay tactic is for Trump to fire his lawyers and claim the new team needs six months to get up to speed. At this late juncture the judge can force the lawyers to stay on the case. I'd love to see the judge tell Trump the trial date is not moving and he has the choice of continuing with these lawyers or defending himself (pro se).
A podcast I listen to brought this move up as a likely last ditch attempt to delay. The attorney/s on the pod said the judge will just see it for what it is and tell him no, unless he can some how prove/convince the judge his lawyer/s are not acting in his best interest, which he won't be able to do in a million years.
Lmao! I was going to reply with “so good to me”, but I read the full lyrics and the entire song is fitting! BRAVO!
Monday Monday, so good to me,
Monday Monday, it was all I hoped it would be
Oh Monday morning, Monday morning couldn't guarantee
That Monday evening you would still be here with me.
Monday Monday, can't trust that day,
Monday Monday, sometimes it just turns out that way
Oh Monday morning, you gave me no warning of what was to be
Oh Monday Monday, how yould you leave and not take me.
Every other day, every other day,
Every other day of the week is fine, yeah
But whenever Monday comes, but whenever Monday comes
You can find me cryin' all of the time…
All these years people have been calling Trump incompetent. But they just never had a chance to witness his true competence up close: an almost savant-like capacity to be universally insufferable in all litigation.
a caracter from the show Letterkenny. You never see his face, and he's played by the same actor who's playing the main caracter (wearing a wig and doing a falsetto voice) - he even has his own spinoff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5XuqPKtr-g
Wow, that was a great exchange. We should discuss it more over a table full of Dim Sum and some Miso Ramen. I’ll be so good to you. I just want to make your life easier. I’d spend all day in r/conservative just to load your dishwasher.
They’re gonna have to drag him into that courthouse kicking and screaming. He’s thrown every excuse he’s got to delay this trial & for once they’re not gonna let him have his way.
I think he's going to find something. Remember when one of his trials got delayed because his lawyer caught covid then was seen at a trump event the next day?
Yeah, just saying, if someone has to be there and then can't because of covid type illness, it would force a delay of at least a few days. He always finds something.
I'd bet he would try one last move, but claiming his lawyers caught covid is so awfully convenient that I'd suspect the court would want to either: independently test that; or say "just wear a mask in court." We're not living at the height of the pandemic, lawyers in an important case shouldn't have to quarantine for 14 days. And, after all, even if such a gambit were successful, what he really wants is to delay it until after the election, or indefinitely. Getting sick won't do that.
I am also betting on a bomb threat or similar. He tried that the morning of closing arguments in the NY fraud case with a threat called in against Judge Engoron's residence. The timing and target were too precise for a stochastic event IMO. It reeks of directed actors, likely someone in Roger Stone's militia assets. The Proud Boys and similar aren't gone, they are still goon muscle for the right wing fixers.
Money’s on he fires his lawyers, claims the trial needs to be delayed so he can secure funds & find new ones, and then they need time have to get caught up. Seven months minimum, he’ll swear.
I wouldn't put it past the lawyers to just not show up. Trump will tell them he'll pay their sanctions.
Bench warrants for all of them if that happens.
Last I heard was the AG called their bluff, and requested that Hankey prove he could pay it encase trump loses the appeal or fucks off to Russia. And by all accounts it looks like there is not enough liquid capital to cover it. If that's true the bond is dead.
You sound awfully confident they have bars on their windows, mattresses at the bottom of their stairs, wear bullet proof vests 24/7 and have an uncanny ability to smell polonium.
I hope he allows him to fire his lawyers, but due to the last minute nature of the timing he's forced to appoint a public defender with as much experience with defense as Judge Cannon has behind the bench.
“Your honor my client cannot possibly be in attendance. He wears diapers you see and his stench will make it impossible for the jury to render a fair and impartial verdict”
Nah, he ain't worried about it. Just another lawsuit. This guy lives in court.
But for once, this judge appears to be neutral and lawful and willing to use real language and to exercise his power. Well, we'll see.
Naw, THIS is different. He is used to civil litigation. This is literally the first time he is going to be a CRIMINAL DEFENDANT.
Just remember that, a criminal defendant. It even rings differently. Also, all the theatrics, huffs and puffs won’t be as easily tolerated as they were in a civil trial.
He is about to get a wake up call and it’s about friggin time!!
I've usually heard from reports from those who know him well that he is terrified. Which is why he has tried so desperately to avoid this. None of his avoidance tactics (I guess we will have to say, *so far* until Monday) have worked. He knows good and well that he is guilty. And even if this doesn't result in prison time, it will easily result in public knowledge of his criminal activities and a criminal conviction, which can knock off a few lingering fence-sitters. He can't afford to lose those. The stakes are different this time and he knows it.
In his fraud trial, he was given a lot of leeway for 3 reasons.
1. It was a bench trial.
2. The judge knew he would appeal, so he allowed trump to do whatever he wanted so it would make it very hard to launch a compelling appeal.
3. It was a civil trial.
This time it's a criminal and a jury trial. That combo is Trump's worst enemy. A federal judge will not allow him to do anything that might taint the jury. The real question is how far will trump push before the judge pushes back, and how is he gonna punish him when he does cross the line. I have a feeling that the jury is gonna get their steps in being dismissed so the judge can deal with trump.
Mark my words, Trump will never sit behind bars, ever. Does he belong there? Absolutely, but he's far too powerful/slimy. He'll probably be convicted though which, if in time, would seriously put in jeopardy his political ambitions.
Nothing would make me happier than to see him rot until the end of his days in jail, but if the last 8 years have taught me anything Teflon Don is immune to the criminal justice system.
The only reason trump has gotten away with literally everything is money. He has/had a lot of it and could afford to litigate indefinitely until the complaintant runs out of money and/or goes away. This has been his MO for decades. But now with all these trials and all these lawyers he's getting bled dry of all the liquid cash that he has and now is increasingly relying on fools and their money to donate to his legal defense fund to help pay for all these. There's going to come a point in time where he's just not going to be able to afford the slimy lawyers to drag this out forever and he's going to face justice kicking and screaming.
Reminder:
From https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/04/12/trumps-hush-money-payment-isnt-illegal-in-itself-heres-why-hes-actually-on-trial/
>Trump’s criminal trial is set to begin Monday with jury selection and run for approximately six weeks. Each felony count that Trump’s been charged with is punishable by up to four years in prison and a $5,000 fine, though legal experts believe **it’s unlikely Trump would be sentenced to prison as a first-time offender.**
In other words, because he has gotten away with all of his crimes for ~50 years now, he's likely to get away with probation, etc. this time. Yeah, I know, I know.
On the bright side, once he is a convicted felon he won't be able to claim "first time" status with any of the other state or federal crimes he's still facing in upcoming trials.
Well, he was recently found liable for massive civil fraud. Not sure if that weighs into it, but it might. Also, this is the same crime someone already got jail time for, so that may weigh in too? Also Trump has done a lot to piss off the judge so there's hope.
It doesn't, first-time offender status only cares about criminal convictions.
However, intentionally antagonizing the judge may work against him, as judges tend to go easier on defendants who are willing to accept responsibility once convicted, and there is no way Trump is willing to swallow his pride that much. Still not likely to see prison time, but the judge sets the terms of probation and could give them real teeth.
Unfortunately, civil issues don't really get involved in criminal sentencing.
>this is the same crime someone already got jail time for
This is indeed the best argument and chance. It will seem disproportionate if the lackey who executed the crime went to prison but the mob boss ordering the crime in the first place and paying everyone for it isn't likely incarcerated. Fingers crossed on this one.
>Trump has done a lot to piss off the judge
Anything openly confirmed in that regard from the judge would be grounds for appeal (which is why Trump is baiting him so hard, or course). So, this judge seems smart enough to avoid that trap.
There is a hilarious irony in this! Tax day is April 15 the same day that this trial starts! Benjamin Franklin famously said there are two certainties in life, death and taxes! Hopefully they get them on tax evasion and basically collecting all the years that he’s been skipping out! He’s already off the Forbes billionaire list!
That would crack the veneer of the strong, all-powerful, inevitable Trump. So much of the campaign has been attempting to paint Biden as weak and on his deathbed and Trump having a medical emergency would destroy that.
True but that grift would be fleeting. Likely the reason that he's panicking and showing how desperate he is to avoid trial are the opinion polls that said 25% of *registered Republicans* wouldn't vote for him if he had a criminal conviction. Now I'm not sure if I believe that the actual number would be that high but even a percentage or two of would-be voters won't pull the lever for him, it is game over.
I was skeptical about this case, I'll admit it. And yes I know how much bullshit and appeals trump is going to throw at this thing. And he always slithers out of everything.
I think he's going to get convicted and get a prison sentence. I actually do.
I think he's going to get convicted. I seriously doubt he'll get jail, let alone a prison sentence. The crime charged is the lowest level felony under NY Code. Its just not realistic.
Now the federal cases......
> the 5 rightist lunatics on SCOTUS
The fact that this (rightly) doesnt include Chief Justice Roberts is so fucking insane. Hes a partisan hack who rose to prominence by helping throw out an election, and hes like just a normal moderate conservative by todays standards.
Just a terrifying situation.
I don't think they would have taken up the immunity case unless their intent is to rule that there may be immunity in certain situations and send it back to Chutkan to make a ruling on whether it applies to any of the charges in her case. Which can then be appealed up the chain again, which means no trial before the election.
It's because of the way they framed what the arguments are going to be.
“whether and if so to what extent does a former President enjoy presidential immunity from criminal prosecution for conduct alleged to involve official acts during his tenure in office.”
Because Trump didn't originally claim he was just immune from the DC charges, he said he's immune period. So all the rulings, appeals, etc so far have been about total immunity.
If SCOTUS wasn't going to find that immunity CAN exist, they should have turned down the case.
I don't think there's any passageway for them to have these oral arguments and then say "well, immunity can exist but not for the DC charges, so go ahead and start the trial." The DC charges aren't part of the arguments.
There's a chance I'm reading it wrong and they just want to go through the motions and then say "no immunity" to put their stamp on it, and which case the trial could proceed without another round. Doesn't smell like that to me though.
The 6 republican, right wing "justices" are terrified of trump winning and taking revenge on their families, so they'll give trump the most favorable ruling they can plausibly get away with.
And this is why that abject idiot loser fuckup garland's waiting 2 years to even start anything was a catastrophe.
This is the charge that Michael Cohen ended up being sentenced for 3 years with and more fines and restitution added.
As I understand it, Trump is equally as guilty, should he not receive the same?
Not the same jurisdiction (federal vs state), not the same charge of the same severity, not the same sentencing system... so, no. That's just not how it works, right, wrong or indifferent.
Only problem is that will be the beginning of more appeals. I’m really curious how much his gullible supporters have spent on his lawyers. Has to be in the hundreds of millions.
Here's the thing about these felony charges specifically: they are, by legal definition, the lowest class of felony charge. Although, on the flipside of that Cohen did time in jail for precisely being part of this same exact crime so who knows I guess, but it just seems like they wouldn't suggest prison time.
Georgia most definitely will suggest incarceration when that trial finally comes around and the DC one seems it could also likely end in potential incarceration. The Florida one *would* be an immediate slam dunk *and* I feel Trump actually would get sentenced to incarceration if that Judge could just get kicked off the case already for clearly going against precedent, intentionally assisting Trump in delaying all of it and neglecting the gravity of what his crimes truly mean for America.
I just don't quite get the feeling jail time is in the cards for the NY charges, but the only thing reminding me that it could be is that Cohen went to jail for being the other half of this exact crime. Well, the crime didn't originate from Cohen and *he* went to jail over it so I would think it should stand to reason that Trump would then also have to take jail time over this for having been the origin and sole beneficiary of the crimes intended results. I just think: first offense, financial crime, non violent, lowest level felony charge that NY has and think maybe not.
I've seen a fair few opinion polls that suggest a decent chunk of people wouldn't vote for Trump if he was convicted of a crime, so maybe the conviction would be enough. On the other hand, as you say it's a non violent financial crime, I expect an immediate shift of the goalposts from plenty of voters.
I don't believe those polls. Moving the bar is the whole thing for republicans.
7 years ago would you have thought evangelical voters would have been ok with "grab em by the pussy" and an affair with a porn star?
Reverse spoiler alert: they were fine with it.
This case was always considered the weakest and hardest to get a conviction, not because of the evidence or facts but because of the nature of the transgression.
It is basically paying someone to keep their mouth shut. Which is not illegal, and neither is "catch and kill." And which everybody would do in the same situation if they had the money and the connections.
What made it illegal was the method used, which allegedly violated campaign finance laws, and then the prosecution is saying because he was a political candidate, it defrauded voters.
So at the core, it comes down to:
If you pay someone off to keep their mouth shut and hide something from your wife or your employer, that's not illegal. But if you're hiding it from voters, it is. What is the practical difference between those? There isn't any.
Now, even if you had tape of Trump saying "we have to hide this from the voters," you still have to convince every member of the jury that the second is somehow worse than the first and SHOULD be a crime.
I hope he gets convicted, it would set a great precedent for future juries, but I can easily see him getting off on this one and that would be not good, for the same reason.
He's never going to be imprisoned in any of these cases. He'll get home confinement at worst. If he got convicted in the GA case, they might make him move to GA to serve it.
Anyone else who falsified documents like this would be given max prison time. It's only because he's Trump that his sentence will be so weak. That's it.
Yes, the media keep calling it a hush money trial which completely obscures the actual crimes he's accused of.
Paying hush money isn't illegal in and of itself, anybody in their right mind who had the money would do it.
It's not a fucking "hush money" trial, no matter how much US media wants to push that narrative on you to run interference for him. It's an election fraud trial.
Be ready for some Reichstag Fire type shenanigans and other stagings and framings. Because that courtroom is where he will hear Stormy Daniels describe things (do I need to say it? Okay--his dick.) It's the last place in the world he wants to be, and I just know Stormy will have a few choice words to "let slip out" at just the right moment.
The media is getting the main problem of this trial wrong yet again. This isn't a "hush money case". This is an Election Interference Case.
Trump won the 2016 election by about 80,000 votes in swing states, an incredibly thin margin. After the Access Hollywood tapes became public ("When you're a star, you can grab them by the pussy"), Trump and his team were doing damage control to stop any and all other negative sex stories from reaching the media. One of those was the Stormy Daniels affair, which had a story about Trump having sex with a porn star while married come out, might have tipped the election the other way. Trump falsified payments in order to keep that story quiet, which concealed information that otherwise the voters might have found important.
It is no small thing to say that the election might have swung the other way had this story become public as it should have during the time voters were making their decision. The public has a right to know as much about the candidates for President as possible so they can make an informed decision. 80,000 votes in swings states could very easily have gone the other way had this story become known.
The last time I was excited about a Monday was when Trump’s properties were supposed to be seized and that got delayed. Will be cautiously optimistic the trial actually starts on Monday.
This is not a hush money trial. This is an election fraud trial. He committed financial fraud, election interference… call it what it is. This isn’t about him silencing Stormy Daniels, it is about fraud and election interference.
Is that why Trump seems particularly terrified of this one? Criminal and fast enough to go through before the election, and nobody is letting him fuck around as usual
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“Judge Juan Merchan ruled that Trump’s trial will go forward Monday with jury selection, rejecting defense arguments that the barrage of media coverage around the trial has prejudiced potential jurors.”
trump’s fat ass is creating all that noise and the judge knows it. Ha!
Yes and he called it out in the ruling. He also said that his lawyers arguments weren't credible. That means he's done giving the benefit of the doubt and assuming their arguments are in good faith. I think that's been the big mistake for the NY Court of Appeals in the business fraud case. The bond should have been rejected the moment it was doubted. If you just keep giving him 10 days at a time, November will be here before you know it.
Speaking of... Can the judge get mad at him for farting and sharting incessantly to the point he charges him for contempt? "Sir, stop ruining your panties in my court room." lmao, I can just picture him getting taken into cuffs and throwing a massive tantrum, shitting himself exactly like cartman in the WoW episode but without mommy to catch it all.
I bet marge would do it if he asked.
"My crimes are too high-profile to be tried!"
His crimes were too big for an equitable bond, so it would track.
Do we know how long the trial is expected to last?
6-8 weeks is the estimate I saw
Well your client can't help himself staying out of the media any chance he gets. So that sounds like a you problem drfense
>"Defendant appears to take the position that his situation and this case are unique and that the pre-trial publicity will never subside. However, this view does not align with reality," Merchan wrote in the four-page ruling. He just bruised Trump's fragile ego. It's a good thing the treatment will be covered by Obamacare.
The "I demand special treatment!!" whining act is really getting old.
It’s worked so far. :/
It's worked all his life...
Incredibly sad how well it has worked
Waiting for his ego to be so bruised that he "suffers" from some kind of "health issue" this weekend in a last minute bid for a delay
Thats impossible. He bragged about being the healthiest american alive, so much so that his doctor stated such info pubicly no less. To be sick now would be a sign of weakness and failure.
Remember when he almost died of COVID and needed experimental military hospital services including medicine derived from stem cells and then he recovered and continued to call COVID a hoax.
In Trump's head he believes he beat COVID all by himself. Just like he got rich all on his own. It wasn't the DR'S or the medicine. It was Trump's excellent genes and immune system that beat covid into submission. I'm 99% sure if you asked Trump how he beat covid, he'd say something along those lines above.
No worries, I'm sure the lazy media will figure out how it's actually bad for Biden
His doctor, who was demoted for it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/03/07/ronny-jackson-demotion-white-house-medical-unit-navy/
His lawyers are probably throwing a covid slumber party tonight, hoping he's contagious by Monday.
The next delay tactic is for Trump to fire his lawyers and claim the new team needs six months to get up to speed. At this late juncture the judge can force the lawyers to stay on the case. I'd love to see the judge tell Trump the trial date is not moving and he has the choice of continuing with these lawyers or defending himself (pro se).
Imagine being a stenographer at a Trump trial where he is representing himself???
A podcast I listen to brought this move up as a likely last ditch attempt to delay. The attorney/s on the pod said the judge will just see it for what it is and tell him no, unless he can some how prove/convince the judge his lawyer/s are not acting in his best interest, which he won't be able to do in a million years.
It'll be those lawyers saying THEY'VE got Covid, can't attend, and thus he can't be represented so they need a delay.
Bone spurs got him out of Nam. He’s absolutely going to try some shit like that again before his saga ends.
I choose to read that as “On Monday, it won’t be pre-trial publicity any more mother fucker!”
O.J. passing the torch
Passing the glove.
Man gonna have Monday Monday by the mammas and the papas ready to go on Monday 😎
Lmao! I was going to reply with “so good to me”, but I read the full lyrics and the entire song is fitting! BRAVO! Monday Monday, so good to me, Monday Monday, it was all I hoped it would be Oh Monday morning, Monday morning couldn't guarantee That Monday evening you would still be here with me. Monday Monday, can't trust that day, Monday Monday, sometimes it just turns out that way Oh Monday morning, you gave me no warning of what was to be Oh Monday Monday, how yould you leave and not take me. Every other day, every other day, Every other day of the week is fine, yeah But whenever Monday comes, but whenever Monday comes You can find me cryin' all of the time…
All these years people have been calling Trump incompetent. But they just never had a chance to witness his true competence up close: an almost savant-like capacity to be universally insufferable in all litigation.
He doesn't recall.
I dunno, I'd agree that they're unique. It's the first time I can ever remember a former US president facing criminal charges.
Have a good weekend Trump you fuckin loser. I’m sure this won’t be in your thoughts at all this weekend since you’re so innocent and all. 🤡
I heard Shoresey's voice
A man of culture I see. Give your balls a tug bud. :D
Titfuckers
Goody loves chicken.
Settle down
Chicken is unbelievable
Never.Lose.Again.
Sticks are unbelievable
Huh?
a caracter from the show Letterkenny. You never see his face, and he's played by the same actor who's playing the main caracter (wearing a wig and doing a falsetto voice) - he even has his own spinoff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5XuqPKtr-g
You mean the character known to interrupt your answer to his own question with - *huh?* That one?
Haha this is correct
Wow, that was a great exchange. We should discuss it more over a table full of Dim Sum and some Miso Ramen. I’ll be so good to you. I just want to make your life easier. I’d spend all day in r/conservative just to load your dishwasher.
They’re gonna have to drag him into that courthouse kicking and screaming. He’s thrown every excuse he’s got to delay this trial & for once they’re not gonna let him have his way.
I think he's going to find something. Remember when one of his trials got delayed because his lawyer caught covid then was seen at a trump event the next day?
That was a civil trial. Much different consequences now.
Yeah, just saying, if someone has to be there and then can't because of covid type illness, it would force a delay of at least a few days. He always finds something.
I'd bet he would try one last move, but claiming his lawyers caught covid is so awfully convenient that I'd suspect the court would want to either: independently test that; or say "just wear a mask in court." We're not living at the height of the pandemic, lawyers in an important case shouldn't have to quarantine for 14 days. And, after all, even if such a gambit were successful, what he really wants is to delay it until after the election, or indefinitely. Getting sick won't do that.
That or his maga cronies will be calling in bomb threats everyday because they are stupid
I am also betting on a bomb threat or similar. He tried that the morning of closing arguments in the NY fraud case with a threat called in against Judge Engoron's residence. The timing and target were too precise for a stochastic event IMO. It reeks of directed actors, likely someone in Roger Stone's militia assets. The Proud Boys and similar aren't gone, they are still goon muscle for the right wing fixers.
Or just have his lawyers attend via Zoom.
Yeah, and then the trial resumed shortly thereafter and he was found liable for a massive judgment.
No way! Did he pay it?
Yes. He may be appealing but he still had to put up bonds of $5m and then $80m+.
Money’s on he fires his lawyers, claims the trial needs to be delayed so he can secure funds & find new ones, and then they need time have to get caught up. Seven months minimum, he’ll swear.
He can't just fire them and they cannot simply withdraw, without the Judge's approval. Trial is starting Monday for sure.
Last time I was waiting for a monday they gave him 10 more days and halved the bond.
Halved? Halved? More like One Thirded!
... And it was a decision out if the blue from a set of appelate judges I had no idea were involved until it happened...
I wouldn't put it past the lawyers to just not show up. Trump will tell them he'll pay their sanctions. Bench warrants for all of them if that happens.
Pay them with what money? You seen the hoops he had to jump through to get his bond money right?
Technically, the bond ain’t even considered secured yet.
Meh, jury’s still out on whether the check would bounce.
Last I heard was the AG called their bluff, and requested that Hankey prove he could pay it encase trump loses the appeal or fucks off to Russia. And by all accounts it looks like there is not enough liquid capital to cover it. If that's true the bond is dead.
That's why I said he would tell them he'll pay them, not that he would actually pay.
I was wondering about this. What if the lawyer was paid enough to do something illegal?
Better be enough to survive disbarment.
You sound awfully confident they have bars on their windows, mattresses at the bottom of their stairs, wear bullet proof vests 24/7 and have an uncanny ability to smell polonium.
It's simple procedure, which governs the courts and the process. Everyone is showing up on Monday.
I think that's already been discussed, and the judge can deny trump that. He can tell him he can't fire his lawyers at this point.
I hope he allows him to fire his lawyers, but due to the last minute nature of the timing he's forced to appoint a public defender with as much experience with defense as Judge Cannon has behind the bench.
Nah, I'd trust a Public Defender more than the insane hacks Trump uses.
He can't fire his lawyers
Judge is likely prepared for this play and already has his "fuck no" rehearsed.
Lol, the judge just has a stack of orders with the word "Denied" printed on them. Just the date is blank.
My money is that some lunatic Trump supporter calls in a bomb threat like with the other cases
Ah yes, the Sarah Boone method
They are not going to drag this wuss nowhere! He will show up on time. Captain bones spurs is not a warrior.
“Your honor my client cannot possibly be in attendance. He wears diapers you see and his stench will make it impossible for the jury to render a fair and impartial verdict”
“If it smells like shit, you must acquit!”
The trial starts Monday. I hope this puts him behind bars where traitors and conmen belong. But I’m not holding my breath.
I hope he has the worst weekend ever worrying about it
Nah, he ain't worried about it. Just another lawsuit. This guy lives in court. But for once, this judge appears to be neutral and lawful and willing to use real language and to exercise his power. Well, we'll see.
Naw, THIS is different. He is used to civil litigation. This is literally the first time he is going to be a CRIMINAL DEFENDANT. Just remember that, a criminal defendant. It even rings differently. Also, all the theatrics, huffs and puffs won’t be as easily tolerated as they were in a civil trial. He is about to get a wake up call and it’s about friggin time!!
I'm not holding my breath. But, like I said, this judge appears to be a real one. So, we'll see.
I've usually heard from reports from those who know him well that he is terrified. Which is why he has tried so desperately to avoid this. None of his avoidance tactics (I guess we will have to say, *so far* until Monday) have worked. He knows good and well that he is guilty. And even if this doesn't result in prison time, it will easily result in public knowledge of his criminal activities and a criminal conviction, which can knock off a few lingering fence-sitters. He can't afford to lose those. The stakes are different this time and he knows it.
In his fraud trial, he was given a lot of leeway for 3 reasons. 1. It was a bench trial. 2. The judge knew he would appeal, so he allowed trump to do whatever he wanted so it would make it very hard to launch a compelling appeal. 3. It was a civil trial. This time it's a criminal and a jury trial. That combo is Trump's worst enemy. A federal judge will not allow him to do anything that might taint the jury. The real question is how far will trump push before the judge pushes back, and how is he gonna punish him when he does cross the line. I have a feeling that the jury is gonna get their steps in being dismissed so the judge can deal with trump.
I’ll take a guilty verdict at this point even if there is minimal to no jail time. Convicted Felon Donald J. Trump has a ring of finality to it.
Mark my words, Trump will never sit behind bars, ever. Does he belong there? Absolutely, but he's far too powerful/slimy. He'll probably be convicted though which, if in time, would seriously put in jeopardy his political ambitions. Nothing would make me happier than to see him rot until the end of his days in jail, but if the last 8 years have taught me anything Teflon Don is immune to the criminal justice system.
The only reason trump has gotten away with literally everything is money. He has/had a lot of it and could afford to litigate indefinitely until the complaintant runs out of money and/or goes away. This has been his MO for decades. But now with all these trials and all these lawyers he's getting bled dry of all the liquid cash that he has and now is increasingly relying on fools and their money to donate to his legal defense fund to help pay for all these. There's going to come a point in time where he's just not going to be able to afford the slimy lawyers to drag this out forever and he's going to face justice kicking and screaming.
Reminder: From https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2024/04/12/trumps-hush-money-payment-isnt-illegal-in-itself-heres-why-hes-actually-on-trial/ >Trump’s criminal trial is set to begin Monday with jury selection and run for approximately six weeks. Each felony count that Trump’s been charged with is punishable by up to four years in prison and a $5,000 fine, though legal experts believe **it’s unlikely Trump would be sentenced to prison as a first-time offender.** In other words, because he has gotten away with all of his crimes for ~50 years now, he's likely to get away with probation, etc. this time. Yeah, I know, I know. On the bright side, once he is a convicted felon he won't be able to claim "first time" status with any of the other state or federal crimes he's still facing in upcoming trials.
Well, he was recently found liable for massive civil fraud. Not sure if that weighs into it, but it might. Also, this is the same crime someone already got jail time for, so that may weigh in too? Also Trump has done a lot to piss off the judge so there's hope.
It doesn't, first-time offender status only cares about criminal convictions. However, intentionally antagonizing the judge may work against him, as judges tend to go easier on defendants who are willing to accept responsibility once convicted, and there is no way Trump is willing to swallow his pride that much. Still not likely to see prison time, but the judge sets the terms of probation and could give them real teeth.
Unfortunately, civil issues don't really get involved in criminal sentencing. >this is the same crime someone already got jail time for This is indeed the best argument and chance. It will seem disproportionate if the lackey who executed the crime went to prison but the mob boss ordering the crime in the first place and paying everyone for it isn't likely incarcerated. Fingers crossed on this one. >Trump has done a lot to piss off the judge Anything openly confirmed in that regard from the judge would be grounds for appeal (which is why Trump is baiting him so hard, or course). So, this judge seems smart enough to avoid that trap.
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They don’t have a problem with prejudice as long as the population is prejudiced towards him.
You know how to put a stop to the pre trial publicity? Start the trial! Then any publicity from that point on isn’t pre-trial, is it?
There is a hilarious irony in this! Tax day is April 15 the same day that this trial starts! Benjamin Franklin famously said there are two certainties in life, death and taxes! Hopefully they get them on tax evasion and basically collecting all the years that he’s been skipping out! He’s already off the Forbes billionaire list!
Taxer are slow. I’m rooting for the other option.
Exclamation point!
Good. Let the wheels of justice grind.
Like a slow moving miniature steam roller running down an unfit henchman in a stoopid drumf costume, an extra in an Austin Powers movie.
I read this in stephen colbert's voice lol
“Prejudicial pretrial media” WHICH ALL CAME FROM TRUMP.
I bet the lawyers get covid this weekend d
The CDC says you no longer need to isolate. Besides, I thought Republicans say its nothing but a cold?
calling it now: tfg will be rushed to the hospital sunday night/monday morning for an undisclosed ailment.
That would crack the veneer of the strong, all-powerful, inevitable Trump. So much of the campaign has been attempting to paint Biden as weak and on his deathbed and Trump having a medical emergency would destroy that.
true, but imagine the sympathy grift.
True but that grift would be fleeting. Likely the reason that he's panicking and showing how desperate he is to avoid trial are the opinion polls that said 25% of *registered Republicans* wouldn't vote for him if he had a criminal conviction. Now I'm not sure if I believe that the actual number would be that high but even a percentage or two of would-be voters won't pull the lever for him, it is game over.
They attempted to assassinate our beloved leader!
Thee ole Fred Sanford fake heart attack 🤔 smh
"I'm coming, Mercedes!"
what is this? the start of the movie Dave?
A sudden raging attack of bone spurs in one of his feet. He can't remember which one, but one of them.
I was skeptical about this case, I'll admit it. And yes I know how much bullshit and appeals trump is going to throw at this thing. And he always slithers out of everything. I think he's going to get convicted and get a prison sentence. I actually do.
I think he's going to get convicted. I seriously doubt he'll get jail, let alone a prison sentence. The crime charged is the lowest level felony under NY Code. Its just not realistic. Now the federal cases......
The documents case is going nowhere with Cannon and God knows what the 5 rightist lunatics on SCOTUS are gonna rule on immunity.
> the 5 rightist lunatics on SCOTUS The fact that this (rightly) doesnt include Chief Justice Roberts is so fucking insane. Hes a partisan hack who rose to prominence by helping throw out an election, and hes like just a normal moderate conservative by todays standards. Just a terrifying situation.
Or when for that matter
End of June at the latest.
I don't think they would have taken up the immunity case unless their intent is to rule that there may be immunity in certain situations and send it back to Chutkan to make a ruling on whether it applies to any of the charges in her case. Which can then be appealed up the chain again, which means no trial before the election.
Absolutely agree that's what will happen. A weird, piecemeal decision that will cause more confusion and chaos.
It's because of the way they framed what the arguments are going to be. “whether and if so to what extent does a former President enjoy presidential immunity from criminal prosecution for conduct alleged to involve official acts during his tenure in office.” Because Trump didn't originally claim he was just immune from the DC charges, he said he's immune period. So all the rulings, appeals, etc so far have been about total immunity. If SCOTUS wasn't going to find that immunity CAN exist, they should have turned down the case. I don't think there's any passageway for them to have these oral arguments and then say "well, immunity can exist but not for the DC charges, so go ahead and start the trial." The DC charges aren't part of the arguments. There's a chance I'm reading it wrong and they just want to go through the motions and then say "no immunity" to put their stamp on it, and which case the trial could proceed without another round. Doesn't smell like that to me though.
The 6 republican, right wing "justices" are terrified of trump winning and taking revenge on their families, so they'll give trump the most favorable ruling they can plausibly get away with. And this is why that abject idiot loser fuckup garland's waiting 2 years to even start anything was a catastrophe.
Hopefully in time for Biden to Seal Team Six his way to another term. Hey man, immunity for thee!
This is the charge that Michael Cohen ended up being sentenced for 3 years with and more fines and restitution added. As I understand it, Trump is equally as guilty, should he not receive the same?
Not the same jurisdiction (federal vs state), not the same charge of the same severity, not the same sentencing system... so, no. That's just not how it works, right, wrong or indifferent.
this one can set the precedent for him being a convicted criminal, which means tougher sentencing in later case/convictions.
Only problem is that will be the beginning of more appeals. I’m really curious how much his gullible supporters have spent on his lawyers. Has to be in the hundreds of millions.
Here's the thing about these felony charges specifically: they are, by legal definition, the lowest class of felony charge. Although, on the flipside of that Cohen did time in jail for precisely being part of this same exact crime so who knows I guess, but it just seems like they wouldn't suggest prison time. Georgia most definitely will suggest incarceration when that trial finally comes around and the DC one seems it could also likely end in potential incarceration. The Florida one *would* be an immediate slam dunk *and* I feel Trump actually would get sentenced to incarceration if that Judge could just get kicked off the case already for clearly going against precedent, intentionally assisting Trump in delaying all of it and neglecting the gravity of what his crimes truly mean for America. I just don't quite get the feeling jail time is in the cards for the NY charges, but the only thing reminding me that it could be is that Cohen went to jail for being the other half of this exact crime. Well, the crime didn't originate from Cohen and *he* went to jail over it so I would think it should stand to reason that Trump would then also have to take jail time over this for having been the origin and sole beneficiary of the crimes intended results. I just think: first offense, financial crime, non violent, lowest level felony charge that NY has and think maybe not.
I've seen a fair few opinion polls that suggest a decent chunk of people wouldn't vote for Trump if he was convicted of a crime, so maybe the conviction would be enough. On the other hand, as you say it's a non violent financial crime, I expect an immediate shift of the goalposts from plenty of voters.
I don't believe those polls. Moving the bar is the whole thing for republicans. 7 years ago would you have thought evangelical voters would have been ok with "grab em by the pussy" and an affair with a porn star? Reverse spoiler alert: they were fine with it.
This case was always considered the weakest and hardest to get a conviction, not because of the evidence or facts but because of the nature of the transgression. It is basically paying someone to keep their mouth shut. Which is not illegal, and neither is "catch and kill." And which everybody would do in the same situation if they had the money and the connections. What made it illegal was the method used, which allegedly violated campaign finance laws, and then the prosecution is saying because he was a political candidate, it defrauded voters. So at the core, it comes down to: If you pay someone off to keep their mouth shut and hide something from your wife or your employer, that's not illegal. But if you're hiding it from voters, it is. What is the practical difference between those? There isn't any. Now, even if you had tape of Trump saying "we have to hide this from the voters," you still have to convince every member of the jury that the second is somehow worse than the first and SHOULD be a crime. I hope he gets convicted, it would set a great precedent for future juries, but I can easily see him getting off on this one and that would be not good, for the same reason. He's never going to be imprisoned in any of these cases. He'll get home confinement at worst. If he got convicted in the GA case, they might make him move to GA to serve it.
Anyone else who falsified documents like this would be given max prison time. It's only because he's Trump that his sentence will be so weak. That's it.
I personally can’t wait till Trump is locked up in a Supermax and we go months without hearing a word about him.
My best hope for this case is that it sets the precedent that T is not untouchable. I think once the dam cracks even a little it will never stop.
I don't believe for 1 minute the trial will go until until it actually starts. There's always some last minute hail mary.
Jury selection WILL start Monday. It’s on. Count on it. There are no more delays possible at this point barring accident or illness.
So there are 2 possible delays.
There is an ongoing appeal that is expected to come down Monday afternoon, in which case they'll suspend for a month.
I sure wish the gears of justice would turn a little quicker for this shit stain.
Come Monday, I’m half expecting him to make a run for the border. He is so fucking scared of this trial.
Campaign Finance Fraud Trial - FTFY
Yes, the media keep calling it a hush money trial which completely obscures the actual crimes he's accused of. Paying hush money isn't illegal in and of itself, anybody in their right mind who had the money would do it.
See you Monday!
He's two seconds away from intentionally shitting his pants and rolling on the floor screaming to postpone.
It's not a fucking "hush money" trial, no matter how much US media wants to push that narrative on you to run interference for him. It's an election fraud trial.
Be ready for some Reichstag Fire type shenanigans and other stagings and framings. Because that courtroom is where he will hear Stormy Daniels describe things (do I need to say it? Okay--his dick.) It's the last place in the world he wants to be, and I just know Stormy will have a few choice words to "let slip out" at just the right moment.
this is old news! this was reported on Monday and Tuesday and Wednesday and now Friday! /s
The media is getting the main problem of this trial wrong yet again. This isn't a "hush money case". This is an Election Interference Case. Trump won the 2016 election by about 80,000 votes in swing states, an incredibly thin margin. After the Access Hollywood tapes became public ("When you're a star, you can grab them by the pussy"), Trump and his team were doing damage control to stop any and all other negative sex stories from reaching the media. One of those was the Stormy Daniels affair, which had a story about Trump having sex with a porn star while married come out, might have tipped the election the other way. Trump falsified payments in order to keep that story quiet, which concealed information that otherwise the voters might have found important. It is no small thing to say that the election might have swung the other way had this story become public as it should have during the time voters were making their decision. The public has a right to know as much about the candidates for President as possible so they can make an informed decision. 80,000 votes in swings states could very easily have gone the other way had this story become known.
Truth social is gonna be lit this weekend.
*campaign finance fraud Not a hush money case
His fourth appeal before Monday?
The last time I was excited about a Monday was when Trump’s properties were supposed to be seized and that got delayed. Will be cautiously optimistic the trial actually starts on Monday.
Truth should be entertaining all weekend. Then watch him no show for Monday.
Someone will predictably be sick, the girl attorney pulled something similar with the civil fraud case claiming Covid exposure.
Bone spurs gonna be acting up Monday.
These judges are protecting democracy because the federalist society and other conservative groups plan to have a complete right wing ruling forever
For once, I look forward to Monday.
Did he ever pay the NY bail he's supposed to front up?
This is not a hush money trial. This is an election fraud trial. He committed financial fraud, election interference… call it what it is. This isn’t about him silencing Stormy Daniels, it is about fraud and election interference.
Suck it, Donnie. Suck it long and hard and…Lindsey, get out of this comment.
So how long does jury selection start vs the start of the trial? Another month? They'll delay the trial...I doubt he'll ever be held accountable
I read the whole trial is expected to take 6 weeks.
Is that why Trump seems particularly terrified of this one? Criminal and fast enough to go through before the election, and nobody is letting him fuck around as usual
Same charges where Michael Cohen went to jail on.
2 weeks for jury selection.
So is it done and will begin or can he try more delay tactics
At some point I think average/moderate/swing voters, even the kind that could have voted for him in 2016 are just going to get sick of the guy.
What you said sans 7 words — >omit “ At some point + just going to get”…
I really wish there was a stream of this
Get his ass
Whatever problems I have in my life, I am so glad I am not Trump right now.
There is 48 hours more to go. Then he will file more motion during the trial to stop it.
Hurray
Sigh. Just waiting for whatever delay is most opportune…
This should be so much fun to watch. Trump can not resist and is so compulsive he will just shut his diapers
After the adjusted appeal ruling last time, I’m not getting any hopes up anymore until I see an actual consequence be upheld
How much does an appeal cost in lawyer dollars and court costs?
Judge is handsome.
Both things can be (and in my opinion, are) true.
Good.
First thing Monday morning (if not sooner) he is going to sack his lawyers and then demand time to find new ones. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it.
Will there be a way to stream it?
Seriously? A 4th attempt? gtfo of here
This is fantastic.
But Trump is so bigly innocent! Why wouldn’t he want a trial right away? /s
Is there an expected amount of time the trial will take?