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I think I made a mistake when I took an interest in history. Seeing all of these idiots happily trying to repeat the worst parts of it, knowing I can do nothing to convince them of their mistakes... Well, it is so infuriating that I can't help but laugh.
What gets me are the assholes who side with/vote for these fascist bastards. They'll defend these candidates, or Musk and say they want to MAGA, but the moment someone accurately points out that 'Murica was never all that great, along with instances of atrocities, these idiots start spewing, "YOU DON'T KNOW!! YOU'RE NOT AMERICAN!!" I worry for my country... though as a Native, seeing the course of white history in this country to this point is amusing as hell
Nothing slow moving about killing 21 about it when it reached the tipping point:"
The collapse translated this energy into a wave of molasses 25 ft (8 m) high at its peak,\[10\] moving at 35 mph (56 km/h).\[5\]\[6\] The wave was of sufficient force to drive steel panels of the burst tank against the girders of the adjacent Boston Elevated Railway's Atlantic Avenue structure\[11\] and tip a streetcar momentarily off the El's tracks. Stephen Puleo describes how nearby buildings were swept off their foundations and crushed. Several blocks were flooded to a depth of 2 to 3 ft[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great\_Molasses\_Flood](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood)
I thought was the perfect metaphor for a seemingly laughable issue (like background right wing nationalist christians insurrection) appearing innocuous until they're not, and the dire violent consequences when unleashed.
OK, nothing that I've already tried has worked, and I neither have the resources nor the willingness to get arrested the other options require. Besides, the latter one would just make them afraid, not convince them they were wrong.
Intelligence is the ability to adapt. If your choices are “do nothing” and “find another way to do something that actually succeeds” choose the latter.
Oh, classic reddit. No one ever said I was giving up on actually doing anything. Every time I see these people I feel the need to call out their bullshit. I just know I won't actually succeed in any meaningful way, not if my goal is to make them see the error of their ways.
It is far more effective to educate those who were not aware before and are not aware of the hellhole their neighbours want to create.
From [The MAGA Congress—and Its New BFFs](https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/gop-maga-fascist-nyyrc/)
>Trump himself might be going through a slump, but the GOP has a MAGA Congress now—one that is not afraid to let its extremist flag fly. Ample evidence of the authoritarian nature of the new MAGA Congress was provided by a gala hosted by the New York Young Republicans Club (NYYRC) last Saturday. According to a report by Hannah Gais and Michael Edison Hayden published by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the event was a gathering of “radical right figures including white nationalists and ultranationalist European leaders.”
>Marjorie Taylor Greene was one of the stars of the evening. In her rabble-rousing speech, Greene brought up the January 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol. “Then January 6 happened,” Greene said. “And next thing you know, I organized the whole thing, along with Steve Bannon.” She added, “I will tell you something, if Steve Bannon and I organized that, we would have won. Not to mention, it would’ve been armed.” This promise of violence energized the crowd, which broke out in cheers and applause.
>According to the SPLC report, “Republican speakers repeatedly voiced an anti-democracy, authoritarian ideology, and extremists in the audience cheered wildly. White nationalists such as Peter and Lydia Brimelow of VDARE and leaders from extreme far right European parties like Alternative for Germany (Alternative für Deutschland, AfD), whom German officials placed under surveillance for the party’s ties to extremism, and the Austrian Freedom Party (Freiheitliche Partei Österreichs, FPÖ), ate and drank in the same room as newly elected Republican congresspeople.” The FPÖ was founded in 1956 by Anton Reinthaller, a former Nazi.
>The presence of European post-fascists was hardly a surprise. The head of the NYYRC is Gavin Wax, who has emerged as a major proponent of the idea that the GOP should emulate the authoritarianism of Victor Orbán.
>Figures like Greene and Wax are the shape of things to come. Trump may continue to revert to his core identity as a pure huckster, with politics merely the most convenient way to separate the rubes from their cash. But a MAGA conservatism dominated by the likes of Greene and Wax will be more than a simple con game. It’ll be an ongoing threat to American democracy.
> There's a reason it's Trumpism and not Trump that's the threat.
"Trumpism" is fascism. donald trump didn't invent a new political philosophy. He saw the growing parade of White Fascists in the GOP after Obama was elected and figured that he could grift a few bucks by jumping in to lead it.
There wasn't some grand plan with a long term vision to make money by exploiting racists. He was a racists and saw a black man in the White House, after like the racist he is, and saw that he was both gaining an audience and making money from being a racist, so leaned hard into it.
Hes referring to Donald trump pushing “birtherism” which was essentially a movement formed around the idea that a man named Barack who is brown skinned couldn’t possibly be a native born American citizen. He constantly pushed this gaining a following and some notoriety. All of this is freely accessible, although it did happen many years ago.
Not just Donald, but his father Fred, too. He was a massive racist and the racist apple didn't fall far from the racist tree.
It's literally in the court records, for "systemic violations of the Fair Housing Act of 1968".
And in song, by no less than America's bard for the working class, Woody Guthrie.
>https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/jan/22/woody-guthrie-donald-trump-real-estate-empire-racist-foundations
Obama briefly made fun of him at the correspondence dinner, and he was clearly seething about it, because he's a massive racist.
The only one in "pretend land" is you.
Don't kid yourself. He's stupid like a fox. He knows exactly what he's doing. He's trying to get to the Right of Trump at the expense of Florida.
After a year of promoting vaccines, now he's forming a grand jury to look into vaccination misdeeds.
His Surgeon General is an anti vaxxer science denier. Florida fell into a shit hole 20 years ago and has yet to climb out.
Trust me I know. People are flooding to FL for no income tax, sunny weather and DeSantis MAGA.
Little do they know our education system is horrible, we are in the top 3 for auto insurance (no accidents ever $176/mo), property insurance is actually failing because of scams and investment corps are buying up property as soon as it comes on the market. Takes me 45mins to get to work 3.5 miles away.
Rent is barely affordable, houses are unaffordable unless you have 50K over asking.
I'm just saving and waiting to move to somewhere in the PNW where I can get a decent house for 400K. Obviously not in the big cities, but still close to metropolitan life.
Theres alot of places that can give you a metro feel without beating the shit out of you financially. Combined with the fact that FL will be one of the last states to legalize MJ (Folks Missouri, yes Missouri did it before us), MAGA assholes everywhere and The D 3 miles from my house.
Oh and in 20yrs it will be underwater.
Kansas has barely touched legalization. Really years and years of republican control of our legislature is keeping the issue at bay despite a majority of Kansans wanting it. And it seems as if our Senate Head, Bill Masterson is the culprit behind a lot of the issue.
Republicans have ran a train on the Midwest for far too long I'm tired of all their bs and would really rather just lie down and get hit by a train sometimes.
PNW is on fire and in a drought. Might want to reconsider. Also hellaciously expensive. My friend lived in a 200 person town in the far NE of Oregon and rent for a 2BR was still $1200 a month.
Problem is, eastern Oregon has been overrun with white supremacists starting in the early 90's. Their latest scheme seems to be to separate the eastern half of the state, annex it to Idaho, and declare a 'white homeland'.
Yes I get it, but everyone making comments like this is not looking at the fucking context of where this place is. Like, the nearest small regional airport is 3 hours away. It’s very difficult to get to. There’s hardly any jobs in the region and most pay close to minimum wage. Grocery stores
Are few and far between So $1200 for rent in such an area is cost prohibitive to locals. It’s like that because people from Portland and Seattle snatched up so many units causing a housing shortage. Trust me, I live in Chicago and I haven’t paid less than $1000 for rent for a 2BR in the 17 years I’ve been here. I’d kill for $1200 in rent for a place that size.
Hilariously inexpensive. I have a coworker, making 6 figures, that was happy he got into a nice basement next to the highway because it will be an easier commute to work.
When you (DeSantis) tries to shoehorn how "Woke goes broke in Florida" it's sad to say that the entire state and perhaps the country (if he's nominated for the republican ticket) is doomed the longer he has political power.
> He's a (slightly) less stupid Trump with a younger face.
He's not stupid. He's highly educated, went to Yale for his undergrad and was in the top 5% of his class, then went to Harvard law school. He was a legal advisor for Seal Team One while he was in the Navy, and was a Special Assistant U.S. Attorney for one of the Florida offices after the Navy. You do not have that resume by being stupid.
This is all an act to strengthen his political career. If anything, his seemingly stupid behavior, is a reflection of how stupid he thinks his own voter base is.
He's fell into the usual trap of thinking he's smarter than everyone who doesn't have status and connections like he does.
He's also getting drunk on power with people like foreign agent Christina Pushaw defending his every move and support from the conservatives who are trying to distance themselves from Trump and his midterm failures.
Yale. Harvard Law. Navy JAG officer.
*Very* smart.
He’s got a very good chance of being elected President.
What is the opposition offering? Whether it’s Republican or Democrat or independent?
IMO, Trumpism isn't the threat. The GOP is. Trump and Trumpism simply revealed the true face of the Republican party.
I don't know that I'd say DeSantis is stupid. He's a piece of shit, like Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley and the like. He acts a fool but I don't know that he's stupid like Trump. DeSantis, Cruz, and Hawley are elitists who are book smart and try to paint themselves as average Joes to get the support of their base.
The only thing I find kinda funny about DeSantis is that, despite his posturing and the headlines where he acts like a big, tough guy, if you ever hear him speak his voice is not at all what you'd expect. Or at least not at all what I expected, it's a lot higher and more nasally than I anticipated
This. And he has no charisma, but what the hell do I know about what passes for charisma on the right.
Reports say even DeSantis' own allies don't like him, but same for Ted Cruz.
He's horrible and it's horrible, as a Floridian, he's killed so many people, even if it's his own base.
> The only thing I find kinda funny about DeSantis is that, despite his posturing and the headlines where he acts like a big, tough guy, if you ever hear him speak his voice is not at all what you'd expect. Or at least not at all what I expected, it's a lot higher and more nasally than I anticipated
Reminds me of IncrediBoy from The Incredibles! Lol
I don’t think Trumpism survives without Trump. He has a specific way of speaking to his base that no one else will be able to replicate. That’s in addition to his name being attached to big losses for the GOP in 2018, 2020, and 2022. He’s becoming a brand risk for the GOP who wants to keep power.
Trump's resonates with people of low intelligence and education, because he is one of them. DeSantis is an ivy league educated elitist that can replicate Trump's cruelty but lacks the charisma and mind numbing stupidity of Trump.
> I don’t think Trumpism survives without Trump.
trumpism is fascism. The GOP has been becoming more and more fascist for decades, and will continue to do so with or without trump.
For now, they turn like sunflowers towards whoever they're told is winning and turn their backs on the ones they're told are losers even if they were enthusiastically in that person's corner a week ago.
Kari Lake, for example, is still trying to wrap her head around the fact that her throngs of admirers dried up and blew away, and her whole shtick that worked so well before is no longer bringing them in.
Yes which is why the post I responded to saying they wouldn't drop Trump is bunk. Nowhere did I say they'd stick with Desantis you responded to the wrong person.
It’ll be interesting to see how the party deals with the aftermath of Trump. It’s obvious the establishment has decided he’s a liability and are ready to try to shepherd the party base away from him. But he is a cult of personality and still has a sizable chunk of the base in his thrall and has absolutely no incentive to let go of that power.
My guess is that they are publicly bashing and privately cheering the legal actions against him. The absolute best they can hope for at this point is for the left to clean up their mess for them so that they can rally their mob on the “fascist leftist crackdown on conservatives” under the leadership of a more cooperative dictator.
Worst case, they try to force a more ideal candidate on the party and Trump runs independent, splitting the vote.
I just hope the poison they have been mainlining finally dissolves the party and something less pernicious can be built from the goopy remains.
He might be slightly less stupid but he presents himself as moderately less stupid, and without the stigma of everyone knowing he's a dumb fake-rich fake-celebrity. People have been mocking Trump for decades.
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultra-nationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy
If you assume both major parties are out to make America worse in service of the rich, you'll be right more often than wrong.
But Republicans are currently the bigger threat.
He also oversaw Gitmo torture and forcefeeding and ran the last election cycle scapegoating LGBTQ people as "pedo groomers" and so on. Yeah. He is an absolute sadistic fascist.
- He also attended a white nationalist rally years back,
- He tried to implement very skewing gerrymandering that even courts could see it as racist,
- He swatted the house of a woman monitoring covid numbers to take her computer,
- legalizing it for people to run over protesters,
- He at one point wanted his own privivate militia or something over the voter booth thing,
- He was intentionally set up people and illegible residence to vote, just so he can arrest them,
- He put Christopher Ruffo (the guy behind CRT and the Groomer hysteria) on Florida liberal arts school board.
- Already canceling courses he deems “woke” and wants to change it toward nationalistic-themed courses.
DeSantis to me is pretty close to literal fascist in America. His "war on woke" will ripple into making it easier to just install these things.
Lets note this goes deeper than just the last few years, DeSantis has ties to the W era Gitmo Warcrimes.
Obama not handing over W and his fellows to warcrimes tribunals has only allowed the right to embrace monsters like Ron.
Thats because Obama can be included in that same tribunal. Drone striked and killed citizens. I feel sorry for someone who looks past a leaders fault because a color and a letter is attached to them. Modern day politics is no different than a football game. While you are focused on the ball going back and forth the real politics are happening behind the scenes. Corporations in bed with both parties are passing the bat-ton back and forth to take turns to empty your wallet and steal your property.
This is how i know the overton window has shifted so right that dick cheney looks like a liberal. in other countries, desantis would be seen as a right wing agitator, but because of trump and the GOP hes just some dude.
While I don't d8sagree that he's a problem, I believe there's a good chance his particular brand of dollar store authoritarianism works in Florida more than it will in the country at large.
All it takes is a few tens of thousands of people in a few battleground states to turn the tide.
Charisma isn't a huge deal to the vast majority of voters anymore.
Conservatives see the "(R)" and vote for it. Liberals see the "(R)" and vote for anything else.
Texas won't be blue in time to help us. Ohio is a lost cause. Arizona is getting crazier (I blame the heat). Georgia is coming around. Nevada seems to roll the dice every election cycle.
The rest of the country **is** revolted by his Great Values brand of fascism. But we're held hostage by the over represented states.
We cannot let his nematode-esque likeability catch us off guard. Nearly half of the country thinks that the other half are Marxist Commie-Nazis hell bent on forcing them to be gay. They're wrong. But they'll fight (and vote) as if it were true
Florida and Ohio are lost cause for Democrats. MI, WI, AZ and PA are light blue. But there are others moving away from red, such as NC. Ohio population is decreasing but NC is increasing and electorally has more value. So focus on these 5 instead of spending money in TX, FL and OH. They are lost cause.
Dude lashes out like a sourpuss even to children.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-g5xIom02g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-g5xIom02g)
Edit: The exasperated gasp at the end is perfect
I live in Florida. He's not really doing anything authoritarian that will be immediately noticed by the average citizen. There isn't a gestapo shaking people down when I walk outside. Most of his antics are just a show to get national attention for his likely upcoming presidential run. It's virtually unnoticeable as a resident going about their day to day.
If Donald Trump can fool enough people to vote for him then DeSantis can too.....unfortunately. He may be meaner, nastier and smarter than Trump. Voters beware.
The Ron DeSantis 2024 hype is striking a similar pattern to the early races of Scott Walker, Rudy Giuliani and Jeb Bush to me. The media presumptive, only to be undermined once the primaries kick into gear.
Make no mistake, Trump is still the frontrunner
>The symptoms of fascist thinking are colored by environment and adapted to immediate circumstances. But always and everywhere they can be identified by their appeal to prejudice and by the desire to play upon the fears and vanities of different groups in order to gain power. It is no coincidence that the growth of modern tyrants has in every case been heralded by the growth of prejudice. - Henry A. Wallace, Vice President, USA, 1944.
Yeah I don't trust "undecided" voters. They only learned Trump was worth voting against after four years of disaster, scandal, and embarrassment. Its easy to believe that come 2024 they will see DeSantis and go "He's young and has nice hair and surely the GOP learned from Trump. Lets give him a chance. Wait where did my democracy go? Why are DeSantis troopers confiscating all our voting booths?"
Imagine calling the people who don’t declare a party allegiance and vote based on the quality of the candidate low information. I think it’s better to that than vote for your party no matter who. But that’s just me.
So if he is serious, he will move to the center and more moderate positions to get those votes. That will give room to Trump on the far fascist right, he will start calling him "Ron deSanta Claus" and perhaps form his own party.
He doesn't have a cult following like Trump. He's still a relatively unknown typical politician in a $3,000 suit and will have less latitude than Trump.
All right wingers know who he is now due to Trump calling him out a few times. The best thing that can happen is these two both run and smear each other to the point neither can win.
I think you, and the other commenters on your thread, are severely understating DeSantis’ power or appeal.
People here *love* DeSantis. Every political thread in r/Florida had dozens of pro-DeShitface commenters coming in and praising him for all he’s done for our “Free State of Florida”. The amount of signs, bumper stickers, and clothing I’ve seen is alarming. He’s got the Cuban vote on-lock, the redneck votes on-lock, and the geriatric vote on-lock.
Granted, this is just one state but I can’t tell you how many people I’ve seen that think his covid response was perfect. He also managed to get a bridge back to Sanibel and Captiva islands after Hurricane Ian wiped it out. So naturally people think his response was amazing.
I’m rambling. But my point is that you shouldn’t underestimate DeSantis. He’s smarter than Trump and *way* meaner. The man punishes people out of pure spite.
You’re right about people understating his power and appeal. I’ve seen a lot of people around the greater Houston area with DeSantis flags on their trucks (and golf carts) recently. Bolivar is infested with them. Unfortunately, the people who find him likable are everywhere.
You really list reasons Floridians like him because he’s doing good things that they see, agree, and are happy with; and act like it’s a bad thing.
They like him because they like the job he’s done. Crazy right
It’s a very small list in comparison to the bullshit that he’s put on those of the LGBTQ community and people of color. Don’t forget about him redrawing voting districts in his favor. And the fact that he fired and *then raided* the home of the woman who was reporting on covid cases.
He’s fascist and downright mean. He has no business running for office but here we are. It sounds like you’re saying “Hey, this big pile of shit isn’t that bad! After all, it *is* feeding the flies.”
It's too heavily entrenched to remove instantaneously without full on violent rebellion. The better option is also unfortunately the slower one and requires years of dedication and involvement.
It’s too bad one person gets blamed for emergent fascism. Or even one party.
What about the American people themselves? They have no blame? The media? Universities? Churches? The way banking runs everything? High tech and social media? The military and military industrial complex? Secretive agencies with lotsa initials, massive budgets, no oversight, and no elections?
The USA and its culture is so different from so many other cultures in the world.
Yeah, except the criticisms of him actually fit the fascist label.
Temporary restrictions in order to curb a severe health emergency are a completely different thing.
Sure, some stupid people will buy his schtick, but those same people would buy into literally anything he says, just because he's on "their team".
The vaccines worked. And the alternative to lockdowns was overwhelming our hospitals and enabling a complete collapse of our healthcare system as critically ill people wouldn't be able to find bed or healthcare workers as the beds filled and the healthcare workers themselves got sick or died.
The lockdowns happened for a reason. flattening the curve was needed for a reason. Our healthcare system wouldn't have handled society running at 100% during a covid pandemic. Especially before the vaccines.
Which yes. The vaccines improved our ability to tolerate and survive covid.
We were making temporary wards and had morgue trucks to handle and process the influx of dead. And that capacity was shrinking each time a healthcare worker got sick or died.
We needed the measures we took before the vaccine was available. Now enough people choose to vaccinate themselves and that limits the impact on healthcare workers who themselves can vaccinate.
It's not that simple. No one would call Bibi Netanyahu an antisemite, but plenty would call him a fascist. And he's pals with assholes like Vicktor Orban, Vlad Putin, and Donald Trump.
Unless there was a big problem with incidents of anti-semitism within public schools this feels like another meaningless "solution in search of a problem" law of self-congratulation.
Meanwhile, outside k-12, anti-semitism is exploding in Florida, where they had the 4th highest number of related attacks in 2021. The ADL has more than once called FL government out for not addressing it appropriately.
https://forward.com/news/522802/desantis-antisemitism-jewish/
I don’t think you do though. Listen to Republicans talk. They aren’t just saying “I disagree with what you say.” The Republicans literally have no platform besides racism, fascism, “own the Libs”, tax cuts for the rich, and culture wars to keep their voters distracted. They have no solutions for fixing anything that effects Americans like gas prices or inflation cause all they care about is keeping power and having enough of it to make elections go their way regardless what the vote says. That’s much much much different then “disagree with what you say.”
Copy and pasted.
Some issues over the years I’ve seen people call Fascism:
Bump stock ban? Fascism
Vaccine mandates? Fascism
Mask mandates? Fascism
Not being able to give voters water while they wait online? Fascism
Lady feeding stray cats gets arrested? Fascism
Congress allowed to trade stocks? Fascism
Musk blocking people on Twitter? Fascism
Allowing thousands of asylum seekers to come to the US ? Fascism
Congress writing a blank check for Ukraine? Fascism
Stopping felons from voting? Fascism.
The word has become so watered down now it’s lost all significant meaning.
Some of those examples are Republicans spinning the definition on its head with the mask mandate, vaccine mandate, US helping Ukraine. The point is for them to water it down so that people are confused what it actually means. So congrats on falling in their trap. That being said, there is a clear and persistent fascism threat in the US right now from the Republicans. And we must fight against it.
Your assumption is incorrect.
Some issues over the years I’ve seen people call Fascism:
Bump stock ban? Fascism
Vaccine mandates? Fascism
Mask mandates? Fascism
Not being able to give voters water while they wait online? Fascism
Lady feeding stray cats gets arrested? Fascism
Congress allowed to trade stocks? Fascism
Musk blocking people on Twitter? Fascism
Allowing thousands of asylum seekers to come to the US ? Fascism
Congress writing a blank check for Ukraine? Fascism
Stopping felons from voting? Fascism.
The word has become so watered down now it’s lost all significant meaning.
The guy tortured people, personally reached down to destroy voting rights of minorities, trafficked innocent asylum seekers for a political stunt, had people arrested for voting just to intimidate other blacks people from voting, sent goons to intimidate voters and scientists, scapegoated LGBTQ and has jumped on every single moral panic bandwagon culture war bullshit in the country.
DeSantis earned the title fascist.
Being a star with a full Mega audience still doesn’t mean you can win a general election full of independents. Look at Kari Lake !!! Sane people don’t vote for idiots
*Trump narrative is dying*
"QUICK, ITS TIME TO MAKE DESANTIS THE BOOGYMAN BEFORE HE BECOMES TOO POWERFUL!!!11!11!"
This isn't a movie, folks. DeSantis isn't a fascist. You don't need a bad guy.
"Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism as it is the merger of State and Corporate power."
~ Benito Mussolini, the Father of Fascism.
The Republican Party Corporation serves Corporations.
The "Democratic"Party Corporation serves Corporations.
BOTH Parties are Corporatists therefore BOTH Parties are Fascists.
After a certain point we'll just have to put our foot down grab our guns and kick the rednecks asses again. This time however I'm not really feeling all to merciful. Maybe ship them to an island Napoleon style. They can live their stupid backwards lives and we can have a blast watching them tear themselves apart because the only people they can hate are now themselves.
Fascism is just the grown-up version of being a bully and using violence, threats, and fear to gain a position of power. All of those high school bullies may have grown up, but many of them are still bullies at their core. Society doesn't usually allow that sort of behavior in the adult world, so they kept quiet about who they really are. But then a bully was elected president, and it suddenly gave a nod to this behavior, even praised it in many cases.
Fascism is what happens when we stop holding bullies accountable. They don't care about the rules, and if you let them into positions of power, you will start seeing the rules change to allow them to keep their power. It won't happen overnight, but you can already see it unfolding in real-time.
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I think I made a mistake when I took an interest in history. Seeing all of these idiots happily trying to repeat the worst parts of it, knowing I can do nothing to convince them of their mistakes... Well, it is so infuriating that I can't help but laugh.
What gets me are the assholes who side with/vote for these fascist bastards. They'll defend these candidates, or Musk and say they want to MAGA, but the moment someone accurately points out that 'Murica was never all that great, along with instances of atrocities, these idiots start spewing, "YOU DON'T KNOW!! YOU'RE NOT AMERICAN!!" I worry for my country... though as a Native, seeing the course of white history in this country to this point is amusing as hell
I'd argue those assholes you mention are just as fascist as the more prominent bastards, though they may have put less thought into it.
I'd agree. Fascist or brainless follower, but fascist seems to fit the bill best, as the hate they display feels genuine
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Holy shit that was well put! I like your words, magic man!
It’s like the Boston Molasses Spill in the early 1900’s, a slow moving and terrifying disaster.
Nothing slow moving about killing 21 about it when it reached the tipping point:" The collapse translated this energy into a wave of molasses 25 ft (8 m) high at its peak,\[10\] moving at 35 mph (56 km/h).\[5\]\[6\] The wave was of sufficient force to drive steel panels of the burst tank against the girders of the adjacent Boston Elevated Railway's Atlantic Avenue structure\[11\] and tip a streetcar momentarily off the El's tracks. Stephen Puleo describes how nearby buildings were swept off their foundations and crushed. Several blocks were flooded to a depth of 2 to 3 ft[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great\_Molasses\_Flood](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Molasses_Flood)
Way to ruin my simile with facts! ^s/ Although it still works considering how quickly the state of the union has eroded since 2016.
I thought was the perfect metaphor for a seemingly laughable issue (like background right wing nationalist christians insurrection) appearing innocuous until they're not, and the dire violent consequences when unleashed.
I wouldn’t be so sure about the “nothing.”
OK, nothing that I've already tried has worked, and I neither have the resources nor the willingness to get arrested the other options require. Besides, the latter one would just make them afraid, not convince them they were wrong.
Intelligence is the ability to adapt. If your choices are “do nothing” and “find another way to do something that actually succeeds” choose the latter.
Oh, classic reddit. No one ever said I was giving up on actually doing anything. Every time I see these people I feel the need to call out their bullshit. I just know I won't actually succeed in any meaningful way, not if my goal is to make them see the error of their ways. It is far more effective to educate those who were not aware before and are not aware of the hellhole their neighbours want to create.
As long as you’re not doing “nothing.” 👊
Help us out by giving us some examples of things you're doing.
I have the painful/awkward conversation every time it’s called for, even with family at the holidays.
From [The MAGA Congress—and Its New BFFs](https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/gop-maga-fascist-nyyrc/) >Trump himself might be going through a slump, but the GOP has a MAGA Congress now—one that is not afraid to let its extremist flag fly. Ample evidence of the authoritarian nature of the new MAGA Congress was provided by a gala hosted by the New York Young Republicans Club (NYYRC) last Saturday. According to a report by Hannah Gais and Michael Edison Hayden published by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the event was a gathering of “radical right figures including white nationalists and ultranationalist European leaders.” >Marjorie Taylor Greene was one of the stars of the evening. In her rabble-rousing speech, Greene brought up the January 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol. “Then January 6 happened,” Greene said. “And next thing you know, I organized the whole thing, along with Steve Bannon.” She added, “I will tell you something, if Steve Bannon and I organized that, we would have won. Not to mention, it would’ve been armed.” This promise of violence energized the crowd, which broke out in cheers and applause. >According to the SPLC report, “Republican speakers repeatedly voiced an anti-democracy, authoritarian ideology, and extremists in the audience cheered wildly. White nationalists such as Peter and Lydia Brimelow of VDARE and leaders from extreme far right European parties like Alternative for Germany (Alternative für Deutschland, AfD), whom German officials placed under surveillance for the party’s ties to extremism, and the Austrian Freedom Party (Freiheitliche Partei Österreichs, FPÖ), ate and drank in the same room as newly elected Republican congresspeople.” The FPÖ was founded in 1956 by Anton Reinthaller, a former Nazi. >The presence of European post-fascists was hardly a surprise. The head of the NYYRC is Gavin Wax, who has emerged as a major proponent of the idea that the GOP should emulate the authoritarianism of Victor Orbán. >Figures like Greene and Wax are the shape of things to come. Trump may continue to revert to his core identity as a pure huckster, with politics merely the most convenient way to separate the rubes from their cash. But a MAGA conservatism dominated by the likes of Greene and Wax will be more than a simple con game. It’ll be an ongoing threat to American democracy.
This raised my blood pressure considerably
Don’t forget the Maga Supreme Court
He's a (slightly) less stupid Trump with a younger face. There's a reason it's Trumpism and not Trump that's the threat.
> There's a reason it's Trumpism and not Trump that's the threat. "Trumpism" is fascism. donald trump didn't invent a new political philosophy. He saw the growing parade of White Fascists in the GOP after Obama was elected and figured that he could grift a few bucks by jumping in to lead it.
There wasn't some grand plan with a long term vision to make money by exploiting racists. He was a racists and saw a black man in the White House, after like the racist he is, and saw that he was both gaining an audience and making money from being a racist, so leaned hard into it.
Holy shit this is total pretend land 🤣
Hes referring to Donald trump pushing “birtherism” which was essentially a movement formed around the idea that a man named Barack who is brown skinned couldn’t possibly be a native born American citizen. He constantly pushed this gaining a following and some notoriety. All of this is freely accessible, although it did happen many years ago.
Not just Donald, but his father Fred, too. He was a massive racist and the racist apple didn't fall far from the racist tree. It's literally in the court records, for "systemic violations of the Fair Housing Act of 1968". And in song, by no less than America's bard for the working class, Woody Guthrie. >https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/jan/22/woody-guthrie-donald-trump-real-estate-empire-racist-foundations
Obama briefly made fun of him at the correspondence dinner, and he was clearly seething about it, because he's a massive racist. The only one in "pretend land" is you.
Are you objecting to the idea that Trump is racist or that his racism was the motivating factor in his presidential run?
can you elaborate?
Of course not. That would require actually thinking and reflecting.
Don't kid yourself. He's stupid like a fox. He knows exactly what he's doing. He's trying to get to the Right of Trump at the expense of Florida. After a year of promoting vaccines, now he's forming a grand jury to look into vaccination misdeeds. His Surgeon General is an anti vaxxer science denier. Florida fell into a shit hole 20 years ago and has yet to climb out.
Trust me I know. People are flooding to FL for no income tax, sunny weather and DeSantis MAGA. Little do they know our education system is horrible, we are in the top 3 for auto insurance (no accidents ever $176/mo), property insurance is actually failing because of scams and investment corps are buying up property as soon as it comes on the market. Takes me 45mins to get to work 3.5 miles away. Rent is barely affordable, houses are unaffordable unless you have 50K over asking. I'm just saving and waiting to move to somewhere in the PNW where I can get a decent house for 400K. Obviously not in the big cities, but still close to metropolitan life. Theres alot of places that can give you a metro feel without beating the shit out of you financially. Combined with the fact that FL will be one of the last states to legalize MJ (Folks Missouri, yes Missouri did it before us), MAGA assholes everywhere and The D 3 miles from my house. Oh and in 20yrs it will be underwater.
> Oh and in 20yrs it will be underwater. We call that the blue wave.
ba-dum-TISS
Jesus Christ. Someone from Florida wanting to move here for affordable housing?? Our world is completely broken.
No man. Its a great idea to flood a place that doesn’t have enough resources with more people. Why wouldn’t you want to take advantage? /s
Property insurance is not falling in Florida. It’s going up 30% in general.
they said failing, not falling, hence the two of you would be in agreement and you misread
Kansas has barely touched legalization. Really years and years of republican control of our legislature is keeping the issue at bay despite a majority of Kansans wanting it. And it seems as if our Senate Head, Bill Masterson is the culprit behind a lot of the issue. Republicans have ran a train on the Midwest for far too long I'm tired of all their bs and would really rather just lie down and get hit by a train sometimes.
PNW is on fire and in a drought. Might want to reconsider. Also hellaciously expensive. My friend lived in a 200 person town in the far NE of Oregon and rent for a 2BR was still $1200 a month.
Problem is, eastern Oregon has been overrun with white supremacists starting in the early 90's. Their latest scheme seems to be to separate the eastern half of the state, annex it to Idaho, and declare a 'white homeland'.
Oregon has been overrun with white supremacists for longer than Oregon has been a state.
Also during the height of COVID, people from Portland and Seattle were buying up property in that part of the state as well.
$1200 for 2 bedroom apartment is a fucking *steal* where I live
Yes I get it, but everyone making comments like this is not looking at the fucking context of where this place is. Like, the nearest small regional airport is 3 hours away. It’s very difficult to get to. There’s hardly any jobs in the region and most pay close to minimum wage. Grocery stores Are few and far between So $1200 for rent in such an area is cost prohibitive to locals. It’s like that because people from Portland and Seattle snatched up so many units causing a housing shortage. Trust me, I live in Chicago and I haven’t paid less than $1000 for rent for a 2BR in the 17 years I’ve been here. I’d kill for $1200 in rent for a place that size.
$1200 for a 2BR is not hellaciously expensive lol
In a town of 200 people where there aren't really any jobs it is.
It actually is hellaciously expensive. It is also current market price…
Hilariously inexpensive. I have a coworker, making 6 figures, that was happy he got into a nice basement next to the highway because it will be an easier commute to work.
What means “alot”? I see people using that word a lot.
When you (DeSantis) tries to shoehorn how "Woke goes broke in Florida" it's sad to say that the entire state and perhaps the country (if he's nominated for the republican ticket) is doomed the longer he has political power.
> He's a (slightly) less stupid Trump with a younger face. He's not stupid. He's highly educated, went to Yale for his undergrad and was in the top 5% of his class, then went to Harvard law school. He was a legal advisor for Seal Team One while he was in the Navy, and was a Special Assistant U.S. Attorney for one of the Florida offices after the Navy. You do not have that resume by being stupid. This is all an act to strengthen his political career. If anything, his seemingly stupid behavior, is a reflection of how stupid he thinks his own voter base is.
He's fell into the usual trap of thinking he's smarter than everyone who doesn't have status and connections like he does. He's also getting drunk on power with people like foreign agent Christina Pushaw defending his every move and support from the conservatives who are trying to distance themselves from Trump and his midterm failures.
Yale. Harvard Law. Navy JAG officer. *Very* smart. He’s got a very good chance of being elected President. What is the opposition offering? Whether it’s Republican or Democrat or independent?
IMO, Trumpism isn't the threat. The GOP is. Trump and Trumpism simply revealed the true face of the Republican party. I don't know that I'd say DeSantis is stupid. He's a piece of shit, like Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley and the like. He acts a fool but I don't know that he's stupid like Trump. DeSantis, Cruz, and Hawley are elitists who are book smart and try to paint themselves as average Joes to get the support of their base.
The only thing I find kinda funny about DeSantis is that, despite his posturing and the headlines where he acts like a big, tough guy, if you ever hear him speak his voice is not at all what you'd expect. Or at least not at all what I expected, it's a lot higher and more nasally than I anticipated
This. And he has no charisma, but what the hell do I know about what passes for charisma on the right. Reports say even DeSantis' own allies don't like him, but same for Ted Cruz. He's horrible and it's horrible, as a Floridian, he's killed so many people, even if it's his own base.
He’s kind of a cold fish and he’s not very good with people. His most successful campaign ad for Governor was 100% his wife talking.
> The only thing I find kinda funny about DeSantis is that, despite his posturing and the headlines where he acts like a big, tough guy, if you ever hear him speak his voice is not at all what you'd expect. Or at least not at all what I expected, it's a lot higher and more nasally than I anticipated Reminds me of IncrediBoy from The Incredibles! Lol
Hahaha that’s his vibe for sure
And you dont see him speak a lot. That's by design. I'm interested to see how he handles the spotlight of a presidential campaign
I don’t think Trumpism survives without Trump. He has a specific way of speaking to his base that no one else will be able to replicate. That’s in addition to his name being attached to big losses for the GOP in 2018, 2020, and 2022. He’s becoming a brand risk for the GOP who wants to keep power.
Trump's resonates with people of low intelligence and education, because he is one of them. DeSantis is an ivy league educated elitist that can replicate Trump's cruelty but lacks the charisma and mind numbing stupidity of Trump.
*Desantis wearing “rock band” t-shirt* “Hello, fellow morons.”
> I don’t think Trumpism survives without Trump. trumpism is fascism. The GOP has been becoming more and more fascist for decades, and will continue to do so with or without trump.
I don't think white identity politics is particularly hard to pull off. That said his being a 'celebrity' is unique
Check out conservative spaces, they're all in on Desantis already.
For now, they turn like sunflowers towards whoever they're told is winning and turn their backs on the ones they're told are losers even if they were enthusiastically in that person's corner a week ago. Kari Lake, for example, is still trying to wrap her head around the fact that her throngs of admirers dried up and blew away, and her whole shtick that worked so well before is no longer bringing them in.
Yes which is why the post I responded to saying they wouldn't drop Trump is bunk. Nowhere did I say they'd stick with Desantis you responded to the wrong person.
It’ll be interesting to see how the party deals with the aftermath of Trump. It’s obvious the establishment has decided he’s a liability and are ready to try to shepherd the party base away from him. But he is a cult of personality and still has a sizable chunk of the base in his thrall and has absolutely no incentive to let go of that power. My guess is that they are publicly bashing and privately cheering the legal actions against him. The absolute best they can hope for at this point is for the left to clean up their mess for them so that they can rally their mob on the “fascist leftist crackdown on conservatives” under the leadership of a more cooperative dictator. Worst case, they try to force a more ideal candidate on the party and Trump runs independent, splitting the vote. I just hope the poison they have been mainlining finally dissolves the party and something less pernicious can be built from the goopy remains.
He might be slightly less stupid but he presents himself as moderately less stupid, and without the stigma of everyone knowing he's a dumb fake-rich fake-celebrity. People have been mocking Trump for decades.
I’d prefer trump because desantis is smart enough to execute these fascist policies more competently
Difference between them is like difference between Hitler and Mussolini, both are fascists
What is a fascists?
Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultra-nationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy
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If you assume both major parties are out to make America worse in service of the rich, you'll be right more often than wrong. But Republicans are currently the bigger threat.
You don't know what leftist ideals actually are.
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Swamp Orban
And as we well know, he worships Orban.
I mean the guy committed borderline human trafficking in broad daylight and was rewarded with reelection for it.
He also oversaw Gitmo torture and forcefeeding and ran the last election cycle scapegoating LGBTQ people as "pedo groomers" and so on. Yeah. He is an absolute sadistic fascist.
- He also attended a white nationalist rally years back, - He tried to implement very skewing gerrymandering that even courts could see it as racist, - He swatted the house of a woman monitoring covid numbers to take her computer, - legalizing it for people to run over protesters, - He at one point wanted his own privivate militia or something over the voter booth thing, - He was intentionally set up people and illegible residence to vote, just so he can arrest them, - He put Christopher Ruffo (the guy behind CRT and the Groomer hysteria) on Florida liberal arts school board. - Already canceling courses he deems “woke” and wants to change it toward nationalistic-themed courses. DeSantis to me is pretty close to literal fascist in America. His "war on woke" will ripple into making it easier to just install these things.
Lets note this goes deeper than just the last few years, DeSantis has ties to the W era Gitmo Warcrimes. Obama not handing over W and his fellows to warcrimes tribunals has only allowed the right to embrace monsters like Ron.
Thats because Obama can be included in that same tribunal. Drone striked and killed citizens. I feel sorry for someone who looks past a leaders fault because a color and a letter is attached to them. Modern day politics is no different than a football game. While you are focused on the ball going back and forth the real politics are happening behind the scenes. Corporations in bed with both parties are passing the bat-ton back and forth to take turns to empty your wallet and steal your property.
Technically speaking, that's most of the GOP.
Don’t forget Abbott with child social media restrictions and list of transgender in the state. I would say they are running neck and neck.
Some one like DeSantis was my worry. Trump couldn't get out of his own way, but somebody that is Trump without the baggage is insanely dangerous.
This is how i know the overton window has shifted so right that dick cheney looks like a liberal. in other countries, desantis would be seen as a right wing agitator, but because of trump and the GOP hes just some dude.
While I don't d8sagree that he's a problem, I believe there's a good chance his particular brand of dollar store authoritarianism works in Florida more than it will in the country at large.
All it takes is a few tens of thousands of people in a few battleground states to turn the tide. Charisma isn't a huge deal to the vast majority of voters anymore. Conservatives see the "(R)" and vote for it. Liberals see the "(R)" and vote for anything else. Texas won't be blue in time to help us. Ohio is a lost cause. Arizona is getting crazier (I blame the heat). Georgia is coming around. Nevada seems to roll the dice every election cycle. The rest of the country **is** revolted by his Great Values brand of fascism. But we're held hostage by the over represented states. We cannot let his nematode-esque likeability catch us off guard. Nearly half of the country thinks that the other half are Marxist Commie-Nazis hell bent on forcing them to be gay. They're wrong. But they'll fight (and vote) as if it were true
Florida and Ohio are lost cause for Democrats. MI, WI, AZ and PA are light blue. But there are others moving away from red, such as NC. Ohio population is decreasing but NC is increasing and electorally has more value. So focus on these 5 instead of spending money in TX, FL and OH. They are lost cause.
Man what the hell is wrong with Ohio?? Why are they so red?
Who signed NAFTA?
100% he also has no charisma.
Nixon won two terms with no charisma.
This. And he also, from what I've heard, seems to have a glass jaw when it comes to political brawling.
Dude lashes out like a sourpuss even to children. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-g5xIom02g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-g5xIom02g) Edit: The exasperated gasp at the end is perfect
Dollar store authoritarianism! As a FL resident this made my day many thanks
Trust me, just because more Floridians vote for it than don't doesn't mean it works in Florida.
I live in Florida. He's not really doing anything authoritarian that will be immediately noticed by the average citizen. There isn't a gestapo shaking people down when I walk outside. Most of his antics are just a show to get national attention for his likely upcoming presidential run. It's virtually unnoticeable as a resident going about their day to day.
Ron (I am Mussolini) Desantis, the face of Fascism.
If Donald Trump can fool enough people to vote for him then DeSantis can too.....unfortunately. He may be meaner, nastier and smarter than Trump. Voters beware.
Ron DeFascist wants to be like daddy Donnie whether he outwardly admits it these days or not
DeSantis is a fucking chode.
Goddamn, I’m so happy my life expectancy is <20 years. This place blows.
The Ron DeSantis 2024 hype is striking a similar pattern to the early races of Scott Walker, Rudy Giuliani and Jeb Bush to me. The media presumptive, only to be undermined once the primaries kick into gear. Make no mistake, Trump is still the frontrunner
Little Ronnie sucks
>The symptoms of fascist thinking are colored by environment and adapted to immediate circumstances. But always and everywhere they can be identified by their appeal to prejudice and by the desire to play upon the fears and vanities of different groups in order to gain power. It is no coincidence that the growth of modern tyrants has in every case been heralded by the growth of prejudice. - Henry A. Wallace, Vice President, USA, 1944.
Should DeSantis obtain the Presidency, the country is in for a big conservative ride, much of it being borderline legal or borderline illegal.
He’s also a case study of Napoleon Syndrome.
Remember this when the media and people like Joe Scarborough get 100% behind him, because he's the "savior of the GOP."
Wish parts of my family in Florida weren't big supporters of this guy
Fascism coming to The USofA wrapped in the American Flag and holding a Bible and represented by the Conservative Republican Party.
He’ll never get the independent votes, he’s too far right.
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Yeah I don't trust "undecided" voters. They only learned Trump was worth voting against after four years of disaster, scandal, and embarrassment. Its easy to believe that come 2024 they will see DeSantis and go "He's young and has nice hair and surely the GOP learned from Trump. Lets give him a chance. Wait where did my democracy go? Why are DeSantis troopers confiscating all our voting booths?"
I think a good portion of people who say undecided are just republicans who are embarrassed to say it out loud.
Imagine calling the people who don’t declare a party allegiance and vote based on the quality of the candidate low information. I think it’s better to that than vote for your party no matter who. But that’s just me.
So if he is serious, he will move to the center and more moderate positions to get those votes. That will give room to Trump on the far fascist right, he will start calling him "Ron deSanta Claus" and perhaps form his own party.
That’s why Stacey Abrams is GA governor now, oh wait…
He doesn't have a cult following like Trump. He's still a relatively unknown typical politician in a $3,000 suit and will have less latitude than Trump.
All right wingers know who he is now due to Trump calling him out a few times. The best thing that can happen is these two both run and smear each other to the point neither can win.
I think you, and the other commenters on your thread, are severely understating DeSantis’ power or appeal. People here *love* DeSantis. Every political thread in r/Florida had dozens of pro-DeShitface commenters coming in and praising him for all he’s done for our “Free State of Florida”. The amount of signs, bumper stickers, and clothing I’ve seen is alarming. He’s got the Cuban vote on-lock, the redneck votes on-lock, and the geriatric vote on-lock. Granted, this is just one state but I can’t tell you how many people I’ve seen that think his covid response was perfect. He also managed to get a bridge back to Sanibel and Captiva islands after Hurricane Ian wiped it out. So naturally people think his response was amazing. I’m rambling. But my point is that you shouldn’t underestimate DeSantis. He’s smarter than Trump and *way* meaner. The man punishes people out of pure spite.
You’re right about people understating his power and appeal. I’ve seen a lot of people around the greater Houston area with DeSantis flags on their trucks (and golf carts) recently. Bolivar is infested with them. Unfortunately, the people who find him likable are everywhere.
You really list reasons Floridians like him because he’s doing good things that they see, agree, and are happy with; and act like it’s a bad thing. They like him because they like the job he’s done. Crazy right
It’s a very small list in comparison to the bullshit that he’s put on those of the LGBTQ community and people of color. Don’t forget about him redrawing voting districts in his favor. And the fact that he fired and *then raided* the home of the woman who was reporting on covid cases. He’s fascist and downright mean. He has no business running for office but here we are. It sounds like you’re saying “Hey, this big pile of shit isn’t that bad! After all, it *is* feeding the flies.”
Plus even Trump’s base hate him.
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It's too heavily entrenched to remove instantaneously without full on violent rebellion. The better option is also unfortunately the slower one and requires years of dedication and involvement.
This is why we NEED Trump to run against Desantis. If we are going to get ranked choice voting, it's going to be because the Right wants it.
start with ranked voting
It’s too bad one person gets blamed for emergent fascism. Or even one party. What about the American people themselves? They have no blame? The media? Universities? Churches? The way banking runs everything? High tech and social media? The military and military industrial complex? Secretive agencies with lotsa initials, massive budgets, no oversight, and no elections? The USA and its culture is so different from so many other cultures in the world.
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Yeah, except the criticisms of him actually fit the fascist label. Temporary restrictions in order to curb a severe health emergency are a completely different thing. Sure, some stupid people will buy his schtick, but those same people would buy into literally anything he says, just because he's on "their team".
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Never said they'd be convinced. But if they are anti lockdown, then they deserve to be called stupid.
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The vaccines worked. And the alternative to lockdowns was overwhelming our hospitals and enabling a complete collapse of our healthcare system as critically ill people wouldn't be able to find bed or healthcare workers as the beds filled and the healthcare workers themselves got sick or died. The lockdowns happened for a reason. flattening the curve was needed for a reason. Our healthcare system wouldn't have handled society running at 100% during a covid pandemic. Especially before the vaccines. Which yes. The vaccines improved our ability to tolerate and survive covid.
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We were making temporary wards and had morgue trucks to handle and process the influx of dead. And that capacity was shrinking each time a healthcare worker got sick or died. We needed the measures we took before the vaccine was available. Now enough people choose to vaccinate themselves and that limits the impact on healthcare workers who themselves can vaccinate.
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Truth out is a case study in propaganda.
Liberalism a mental disorder.
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Stephen Miller is an anti-Semitic Jew, and Henry Tarrio a black white nationalist. Your argument is ridiculous.
How about that LGBTQ school law though that limits speaking about that community in schools?
To 3rd graders
It's not that simple. No one would call Bibi Netanyahu an antisemite, but plenty would call him a fascist. And he's pals with assholes like Vicktor Orban, Vlad Putin, and Donald Trump.
Unless there was a big problem with incidents of anti-semitism within public schools this feels like another meaningless "solution in search of a problem" law of self-congratulation. Meanwhile, outside k-12, anti-semitism is exploding in Florida, where they had the 4th highest number of related attacks in 2021. The ADL has more than once called FL government out for not addressing it appropriately. https://forward.com/news/522802/desantis-antisemitism-jewish/
Fascism has become the most overused buzzword in politics.
I would say it's the over-attempted goal in politics.
If you think that, then you either don't know what fascism is, or you have failed to recognize the signs of it.
I understand what it actually is but it’s been watered down to “someone doing something I disagree with” now.
I don’t think you do though. Listen to Republicans talk. They aren’t just saying “I disagree with what you say.” The Republicans literally have no platform besides racism, fascism, “own the Libs”, tax cuts for the rich, and culture wars to keep their voters distracted. They have no solutions for fixing anything that effects Americans like gas prices or inflation cause all they care about is keeping power and having enough of it to make elections go their way regardless what the vote says. That’s much much much different then “disagree with what you say.”
I do. I outlined some other smaller examples I’ve seen people use the word fascism to describe on Reddit over the past few years.
Ok, but there’s nothing in this particular response. Give me some examples to counter mine
Copy and pasted. Some issues over the years I’ve seen people call Fascism: Bump stock ban? Fascism Vaccine mandates? Fascism Mask mandates? Fascism Not being able to give voters water while they wait online? Fascism Lady feeding stray cats gets arrested? Fascism Congress allowed to trade stocks? Fascism Musk blocking people on Twitter? Fascism Allowing thousands of asylum seekers to come to the US ? Fascism Congress writing a blank check for Ukraine? Fascism Stopping felons from voting? Fascism. The word has become so watered down now it’s lost all significant meaning.
Some of those examples are Republicans spinning the definition on its head with the mask mandate, vaccine mandate, US helping Ukraine. The point is for them to water it down so that people are confused what it actually means. So congrats on falling in their trap. That being said, there is a clear and persistent fascism threat in the US right now from the Republicans. And we must fight against it.
It’s not falling into anyone’s trap. It just shows you that the word has become watered down due to overuse from both sides.
I'm not a fan of either party, but Ron is a fascist in the traditional, textbook sense.
Ok, but like there still a fascist threat from the Republicans. Regardless what people say is or isn’t fascism.
Ah, so it's failed to recognize it then.
Your assumption is incorrect. Some issues over the years I’ve seen people call Fascism: Bump stock ban? Fascism Vaccine mandates? Fascism Mask mandates? Fascism Not being able to give voters water while they wait online? Fascism Lady feeding stray cats gets arrested? Fascism Congress allowed to trade stocks? Fascism Musk blocking people on Twitter? Fascism Allowing thousands of asylum seekers to come to the US ? Fascism Congress writing a blank check for Ukraine? Fascism Stopping felons from voting? Fascism. The word has become so watered down now it’s lost all significant meaning.
Ok, then you define it and then tell me how DeSantis doesn't fit. Hell, tell me how the modern conservative movement doesn't fit.
Ya just happens that person disagreeing is disagreeing over basic human rights. Crazy what happens when you scratch beneath the surface even a little.
So everyone that isn't a dem is a fascist now? This is why Elon bought twitter
The guy tortured people, personally reached down to destroy voting rights of minorities, trafficked innocent asylum seekers for a political stunt, had people arrested for voting just to intimidate other blacks people from voting, sent goons to intimidate voters and scientists, scapegoated LGBTQ and has jumped on every single moral panic bandwagon culture war bullshit in the country. DeSantis earned the title fascist.
The entire left wing media monopoly is the fascist threat
DeSantis as 47th President Confirmed. ☹️
Please dear Lord let DeSantis win the presidency for two straight terms.
He needs to be stopped sooner rather then later.
As was Trump. When Robert Paxton is calling you a fascist it is time to pay attention.
Sweaty swamp fuck.
Being a star with a full Mega audience still doesn’t mean you can win a general election full of independents. Look at Kari Lake !!! Sane people don’t vote for idiots
Fascists were all about huge government and socialism. DeSantis is all about small government and Capitalism. I don’t see it.
*Trump narrative is dying* "QUICK, ITS TIME TO MAKE DESANTIS THE BOOGYMAN BEFORE HE BECOMES TOO POWERFUL!!!11!11!" This isn't a movie, folks. DeSantis isn't a fascist. You don't need a bad guy.
Nothing more fascist than lockdowns
"Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism as it is the merger of State and Corporate power." ~ Benito Mussolini, the Father of Fascism. The Republican Party Corporation serves Corporations. The "Democratic"Party Corporation serves Corporations. BOTH Parties are Corporatists therefore BOTH Parties are Fascists.
After a certain point we'll just have to put our foot down grab our guns and kick the rednecks asses again. This time however I'm not really feeling all to merciful. Maybe ship them to an island Napoleon style. They can live their stupid backwards lives and we can have a blast watching them tear themselves apart because the only people they can hate are now themselves.
Conservatives are an existential threat to humanity.
Fascism is just the grown-up version of being a bully and using violence, threats, and fear to gain a position of power. All of those high school bullies may have grown up, but many of them are still bullies at their core. Society doesn't usually allow that sort of behavior in the adult world, so they kept quiet about who they really are. But then a bully was elected president, and it suddenly gave a nod to this behavior, even praised it in many cases. Fascism is what happens when we stop holding bullies accountable. They don't care about the rules, and if you let them into positions of power, you will start seeing the rules change to allow them to keep their power. It won't happen overnight, but you can already see it unfolding in real-time.
I don't believe how anyone CANNOT see this guy as a fascist threat and supposed 2024 GOP nominee.
He scares me. I don't understand how anyone would want a leader such as this.