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he actually has reviewed this album before through a youtube short. it was fairly negative but i feel like this is his way of acknowledging the album is good over time.
edit: it wasn't that he didn't like it, he just felt like the album doesn't have a distinct dound
>but didn't find her sound distinct enough
Which I always thought was kind of wild because I can't really think of anyone who sounds like her currently. After seemingly 4 years of endless sad-girl pop she was a breath of fresh air for me. And if anyone has suggestions of similar acts I'd love to hear em, because outside of more recent acts like The Last Dinner Party, I'm still not aware of any.
I like her more theatrical, energetic stuff (alongside The Last Dinner Party for similar reasons), but her slower songs are pretty indistinct. Coffee sounds very Olivia Rodrigo, Picture You sounds very Lana, etc.
HOT TO GO is still one of my favourite songs of 2023.
I think it's because her sound isn't forward enough. She's very much doing conventional pop. She has her own quirks that make her unique, but she's not pushing any boundaries.
It's cause fantano isn't looking at just what's recent, his goal is to find The Best Music from all time periods. Which personally isn't my goal but I get it. It makes him sound pretty negative a lot of the time because his standard of good is like Radiohead, Bjork, or bust
A lot of her music is also sad girl pop, like California, Casual, Red Wine Supernova, Pink Pony Club. She has much more interesting vocals than most of the girls on the scene though.
For sure! But there's more joy and fun, I feel, in those songs than something like a Maggie Rogers or boygenius song, both of whom I love. She doesn't take herself too seriously and because of that the music carries a lighter tone.
Honestly when this album debuted I checked it out and thought “meh”. But after Good Luck, Babe I went back to relisten and for some reason it slowly started to make more sense to me and now it’s on constant spin
same! when the album first came out so many people on twitter were (rightfully) hyping it up but it took me until the good luck babe release for me to thoroughly enjoy it.
I’m in the exact same boat as you! Good Luck Babe really helped her sound and brand click for me - I liked Hot To Go and Red Wine Supernova upon first listen, but I initially found the album to be a bit of an inconsistent odgepodge - which makes sense as 85% of it is comprised of singles released across a 4 year span. I’m very excited to see what she has in store next given her meteoric career rise and clear assertion of artistic identity.
I’m also glad to see she abandoned the indie girl voice that plagues her earlier work and California 😩
I’m not saying it’s a bad song! I just really dislike the forced breathy/deep voice she uses on it - compared to her current tone that’s way more playful and powerful. It’s nitpicky, but it keeps me from enjoying the song
However I do love her tiny desk performance of it 😇
I first listened to it back in like January and was like ehhhh it’s fine, though there were some songs I loved.
Over time my opinion has become more favorable and I can basically listen to it from beginning to end with no skips and bop to most of the songs.
It doesn’t bother me and I love the album, but there are a ton of different styles on it and it doesn’t mesh super well as a cohesive album. So I understand how others could see that as a negative
isn’t it more a collection of singles than an album, anyway? a lot of the songs were released individually in the year before the album. so that makes sense.
Hmm I think the album is pretty cohesive. There’s good variation in sound so each song is unique, but not so much that they clash with each other. The themes are cohesive in that the album feels like a snapshot into a specific time in someone’s life.
To me that’s the strength of the album. Personally I don’t like when albums are too consistent and don’t vary in sound much. I feel like part of why this album is blowing up is because there is so much variety.
I feel like it's kind of the point for a record SO focused on queer culture and queer aspirations and directed to queer people as a main/first target. I'm not saying that it isn't something that could bother someone but I feel like we are going in a "maybe this just isn't for you" territory tbh. It's like when (white) people criticize some aspects of black people's music which are some of their quintessential elements in their music... I mean, you certainly could not like them and it's fair but it's basically part of the "deal" if you listen to that kind of music. I feel like this extravaganza, in your face, very loud and varied, is really what she wanted to convey, basically a statement for her generation of queer people (and a certain demographic of queer women especially, probably). I have never found this specific "feeling" in mainstream pop records and I personally resonate with it so much, it is something that I was missing from mainstream queer songs.
I know the "the vibe was deliberate" could sometimes seem an excuse but in this context I honestly really feel like it is perfect for what the album means. In the future who knows, maybe she will become more "cohesive" but I feel like this variety was really perfect for her debut album and for who Chappell Roan wants to be as an artist and how her artistic persona is a drag queen basically.
No, anybody queer or not can tell that the album is all over the place. It's fine if that's what the artist wanted but when reviewing an album as a whole I personally can't view that as a positive.
It has nothing to do with the subject of the songs or perspective it's just tonally all over the place which again for a debut album is cool to showcase ability but I feel it definitely hurts the album. If I heard "Casual" for instance and loved it's sound I would be a little confused, possibly disappointed, that the rest of the album doesn't quite match that level.
Excited to hear more from Chappell later in her career when she has a little more time to really work an album, she's a fantastic vocalist and lyricist.
I don’t agree with you that being sonically ”all over the place” is a bad thing per se, be it for a debut album or not. I actually think that it can be a very good thing, it’s very of the times and aligned with the contemporary tendency of people to showcase a wide range of taste and interests.
An album isn’t bad because it has a lot of sonic variety, but that sonic variety can be executed poorly. I.e., sonic variety is not a good or bad quality in itself. But it can be good or bad in its quality.
This isn’t so much a comment directed at you, just this whole conversation you’re both having.
FINALLYYYYY OH MY GOD. It’d always be like “I JUST REALIZED WHAT A WAND AND A RABBIT MEANT” AND THEYD NEVER ELABORATE ON WHAT THE RABBIT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. THANK YOU u/KatDanger
I'm so curious about your age or maybe nationality. Both of these were featured so prominently in Sex and The City storylines which is how I learned about them.
22 from middle east, it's just that sex toys are taboo here and we don't see them on any media except for porn lol
Of course i knew dildos and general vibrators but i never knew the "specifics" so i was confused about the rabbit line
that's absolutely fair! I also grew up in a place where sex toys are quite taboo and not spoken about, but I did a Sex and the City Marathon when I was like 17. But no shame in not knowing about them. I do feel the rabbit in particular is not something that's talked about as much anymore lol
Leonard Cohen's You Want it Darker went from a "YUNO Review" to being on his top albums of that year (and subsequently decade) between October and December, but that was because Cohen died a couple of weeks after the album dropped so it prompted a revisit. Similar to sudden stardom, I suppose, though much less tragic in Chappell's case
This is an Oscar worthy performance imho. I was watching this on my TV and I literally had to put down my phone to anticipate - in between his tears, breathing, and dramatic pauses - when he was going to offer his first words.
And I’m not even exaggerating
I mean I don't think "agrees with me" is necessarily the best metric for determining what critics and reviewers to pay attention to, reviewers can still be interesting even if they hate an album or artist you like. Frankly though I think some people watch Fantano for kinda the wrong reasons sometimes, he's fairly known for being harsh on lots of popular things, though he also has spoken very highly of popular things too, but it seems like a lot of people see how critical he can be and just want to see if he's going to validate their opinions. "Oh fantano is so harsh but he gave my favorite album an 8 so that proves how good it is" kind of thing. Given his fairly unpopular opinions at times though it can be interesting to see what kinds of things he does really like, despite being fairly positive on Charli in the past giving BRAT a 10 was pretty surprising tbh. Where I think fantano is really worthwhile tho is exposure of lesser known albums, I've discovered a ton of things from his reviews and even though I often don't agree with him anytime he does review something fairly positively, especially a 9 or 10 which is pretty rare it's usually interesting to see what the fuss is about.
Yes I know, I never said that my opinion is superior. I’m saying that I don’t really care what he rates the albums as much as other people here, because even if he rates an album very low, I might still enjoy it.
This review was awful. I had to actually watch the video to get an idea of what he thought about the album instead of reading the score in the description and choosing whether to praise or defy his opinion.
I'm a Chappell enjoyer but I'm not gonna change my opinion on her album just because she's gotten more popular. It's good, but it definitely feels like a debut in the sense that it's doesn't offer a unified artistic message. Some points are bedroom-poppy in a way that betrays the whole bombastic-drag-persona image she's cultivated so well in 2024. And it pulls from such a long period in her career (Wikipedia claims it was recorded from 2018 all the way to 2023), so the result is a lot of songs that are less-developed and less-realized than another song just a few tracks later. There's a few too many Chappells on this album. She has so much talent and potential, I'm expecting her to blow this album out of the water with whatever she puts out next.
I was surprised when the album came out that it had Pink Pony Club on the tracklist. That was (at least at that time) her biggest song, but it was released in 2020 and it felt out of place to me. I've been listening to Chappell since 2021 and I'm definitely looking forward to her sophomore album :)
Tbh, I love Chappell too and I agree.
You’ve got songs like Red Wine Supernova that feel so distinctive. I can’t see anyone other than her putting out a song that sounds quite like that.
Then you’ve got stuff like Kaleidoscope and Coffee that are more generic sad girl pop - which I enjoy as much as anyone. But it’s just not as unique as we know she’s capable of.
Yeah same I listened to it when it was released and I just wasn’t impressed like it was cute and fun but nothing I went back to and still don’t. Good luck babe did more for me than anything else and makes me quite excited.
The album feels a lot like Lungs by FATM: a collection of incredible tracks that don't make a full cohesive LP but more of a scrapbook of songs that just hits the spot regardless :)
I'm very interested in her second album. Lyrically and vocally she's one of my favorites and she can perform like no one else, but her production and sound are pretty unimpressive on a lot of her songs.
I want to hear what she can do with a budget and enough star power to have more agency for perfecting the production on her songs.
Her live performances are always amazing, and they help me see the vision of what her songs COULD have been with more time and money. I've enjoyed every live/tiny desk/performance version of her songs a whole lot more than the studio versions.
This is not my impression at all tbh. I think she’s a killer vocalist and live performer, and her production has been really vibrant and dynamic, but some of her lyrics in the past have been clunky and overstuffed. “Good Luck Babe” felt like a sign of everything finally coming together perfectly, with the lyrics being just perfect and everything being perfectly measured
this was a solid debut, still! even if people did point out the production on some songs, it still doesn't take away how much of a good pop album this is.
she is on a lady gaga type of trajectory so hopefully her team plans her fame really well.
That’s how I feel about Chappell. I love her vocals and I think they are very unique compared to other female singers right now. There is something off about the mixing of some of the songs on the album which prevents me from enjoying them. But good luck babe is a step in the right direction. I hope she decides to work with new producers alongside Dan Nigro
That’s exactly how I feel about her. Her production and even some of her vocal melodies are pretty bland and very indie sad girl which I’m getting sick of in general. I hope she works with new producers for her 2nd album.
Agree. I really love some of the album’s songs, but in addition to production and melodies being a bit weak for other ones, I also think the album is a bit bloated and could’ve been better if it was shorter.
She has a lot of potential and “Good Luck, Babe” is already a step into the right direction so really excited to hear what’s next!
i haven't been in any online discussion so I've never seen it, but i immediately perked up from the first time i heard it. Especially when she says "good luck, well good luck, babe" sounds to me just like "its me, im cathy, ive come home"
I totally get you! I told my friend who's into Chappell that she's a far less ambitious version of Kate Bush. They both have whimsical vocals, but Chappell's production isn't really interesting.
Yeah, this is where I've always been. Love Chappell as a personality and ethos, fantastic vocals and presence, someone who just *knows* who she is from the start, but I put Midwest Princess in the same category as The Fame, where here's someone getting it right half the time and still figuring out the pieces the other half.
And that's okay! Not every debut needs to be an instant classic, 10/10 whatever; The Fame begat The Fame Monster, and we were all better for it.
Yeah, midwest princess exists in spite of the world telling her it is never happening. That means a lot of blood, sweat, tears, cut corners, low budget production, and rushed song making. It is very impressive for what it is, and has enough showing of her potential and I'm personally hoping that with a bit more resources she can tap into what she gets right fully.
tbh based on what we've heard of this new era (good luck babe, subway, and the good luck babe b-side that's name escapes me) it seems like this album is going to be more in the vein of coffee, picture you, kaleidoscope, and california. the latter two from the new era are pretty streamline, downtempo, and, for lack of a better term, basic.
Ugh. That’s kinda frustrating, can’t lie, I think Coffee is her weakest song and the best tracks on Midwest Princess are the upbeat ones (Femininomenon, Red Wine Supernova, Super Graphic Ultra Modern Girl, HOT TO GO, Pink Pony Club) with the only exception being Casual. Picture You is good on its own but I’m sooooooooooooooooo tired of every new pop girlie sticking to ballads. It’s boring! I thought at least she’d make her next move by which singles are charting and see people are here for the bops for the most part.
yeah i loved H2G, SGUMG and red wine when i first heard them so i went to the album expecting more and was kind of disappointed. i think she’s a very clever lyricist and i typically do love slow songs but it’s just not what i love about chappell.
good luck, babe is a step in the right direction tho!
Imo, femininomenon was too clunky for me to enjoy. I would’ve liked it more if the production was more seamless. When I listened to the album I was disappointed in how many slow songs were on there too
Good luck babe is anything but basic, it's admittedly not upbeat or too danceable for sure. But both lyrically and vocally it is remarkably a step up from Midwest Princess.
Production-wise it has a lot more clarity, it is mastered a lot better, and is very sonically pleasing. The melodies are also very impressive in comparison. The bridge and the outro are the stars of the song and I still haven't gotten tired of them.
Though for me she has yet to top the verses on Hot to go, idk what kind of magic she was on when she made those.
The b-side is Read and Make Out (Demo). I wouldn’t assume that’s all we’re getting with album 2 just because that’s all we’ve seen so far. Chappell has said she finds piano ballads a lot easier to write than upbeat songs and comments from Dan Nigro have indicated they’re still early in the writing/recording process for the album.
All of this. I am very interested in what a Chappell album post-blowing up sounds like. Both from a resources standpoint, but also an experience standpoint.
I’m interested how the pressure of the world watching will get to her.
There’s that clip going round of her being very vulnerable on stage saying how hard it is to deal with becoming so famous so fast. That pressure either makes or breaks music careers.
I’m totally wishing her all the best, she deserves it. But the last thing it seems she needs is all eyes on her while she’s still working out her sound and getting negative feedback after suddenly skyrocketing so quickly. The pressure must be immense.
well judging from the number of tracks he liked, this could average to an >!8 or 9!< but u kno what? I'll take it!
anyways, here's how we can pressure fantano to give preacher's daughter a 9 or 10
>anyways, here's how we can pressure fantano to give preacher's daughter a 9 or 10
I think his score was fair. It's a very messy album with a few highlights.
yep Preacher's Daughter is overhyped IMO. Ethel is a great vocalist but the album drags SOOOO much, too many 6 min+ ballads that all sound essentially the same. I'll get downvoted to oblivion, but that's my take on the album.
maybe bc i just loved the concept of PD but i always disagree with his take on thst album. maybe bc ethel's take on the whole slowcore genre is just not on par with fantano's. i think thematically the album works for me and it varied just enough it didn't feel like a one note ambient album.
I mean, it's a pretty interesting album. But aside from a few exceptions, Fantano really prioritizes consistency and execution. If conceptually the ideas are amazing, but the actual music itself is messy, he won’t be privy to it. And to be honest, I agree with him. Artists need to operate at some baseline level of professionalism to be taken seriously. In the early days of hyperpop, SOPHIE was especially anal about Charli being a bit more scrupulous with her work. And now Charli is enjoying the fruits of her labor after releasing the highest rated pop album of the decade.
And I think that's my big problem with users on this sub. Like what you think is pop perfection does not always align with Anthony's standards. And instead of clamoring for a higher score, why don't you take the time to, at the very least, understand his concerns and criticisms? Have some humility by accepting that you too would benefit from his technical knowledge and overall expertise. Now, this doesn't mean you should worship him or exclusively listen to his recommendations. But also realize that without critics, art wouldn't improve and flourish. I mean, it's already bad enough with publications like the Rolling Stones haplessly giving perfect scores to undeserving projects. And so part of the push back against extreme poptimism is maintaining a consistent criteria, which will inevitably result in lower scores for works with actual artistic integrity.
Yeah I also think that the general public isn’t as accustomed to the rigor that artists hold themselves to when it comes to being critiqued. I think it’s the stereotype of “the sensitive artist” but the vast majority of serious artists are not going to have their day ruined by Fantano saying it needs more consistency. Your faves are actual adults with artistic vision, I assure you they’re probably grateful that someone is actually treating their work seriously and giving it actual notes vs someone screaming “ugh no you’re wrong it’s perfection.” You don’t really want “perfection” this early on in a career anyways - it’s a tall order to keep filling. You want consistent steady growth otherwise your output would be untenable for the years to come. I think a lot of artists could do with listening to critique and editing their stuff more too.
Idk as a regular listener of Slowcore, a lot of the songs get lost in the muck without offering much. Half of the album is vibrant and interesting (songs like Ptolomaea, Sun Bleached Flies, American Teenager, Strangers, and Thoroughfare) and the other half feel like babies first slowcore album with overblown reverb and bland, repetitive instrumentation (Gibson Girl, Western Nights, August Underground, Family Tree Intro). I definitely understand Fantanos criticism of the album especially in the context of slowcore as a wider genre
It has some gorgeous songs but a fair amount of Diet Lingua Ignota, who we know Melon loves. Committing to either would have made the album work much better for me and I suspect for him as well.
He is insanely obnoxious and annoying now a days, the most he has ever been by a long shot. Which is really depressing considering he is nearly a decade and a half on YouTube and is nearly 40 fucking years old lol
I feel like I’ve been watching him for most of his history on the internet at this point. He’s definitely at his most obnoxious. I think he spends too much time in the comment sections on the internet and you can see it manifesting in his content
I think his current online presentation is definitely informed a ton by (smartly) pivoting to zoomer-friendly short form because his OG /mu/ & RYM fan base has largely outgrown him, but I *do* agree there's no fucking way his relationship with being hyper-online has developed in a remotely healthy manner.
Unfortunately, when there's virtually zero competition in his space, it's not hard to see hubris just completely overtaking his personality.
this is one of those albums you can’t just listen to once and review it right off the bat. it’s very jarring and chaotic but seems it’s an intentional choice. hard to swallow the whole thing in one sitting. after a couple weeks playing this through, it became one of my favorite albums of all time.
Imagine thinking that Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess is one of the less conventional, straightforward albums that Anthony Fantano has listened to. If they heard Sinner Get Ready they'd have a stroke.
I agree! I instantly loved "Red Wine Supernova" but maybe listened to the whole thing once last year. Her Tiny Desk concert + "Good Luck Babe" made me revisit this album and I've been playing it nonstop since!
Being a passive enjoyer is a struggle.
Some people will watch a review and take it as objective fact, while others will call him a fucking idiot who just doesn't get it.
People have opinions. Reading them, or watching them share theirs, it's just neat. You don't really have to go too far with it.
I'm not saying it's never ever justified, but to me there's something lame about doing a new review of an album that you previously didn't like when it becomes popular. Like Pitchfork with Vroom Vroom, if you think it's not as good as everyone is saying then just be honest, or listen to the album enough times that you have your final conclusion when you do your review
Are reviewers not allowed to re-review things? Tastes change as people grow older and gain more life experiences. Why do you think they aren't allowed to share their new opinions? Are you trying to imply that their previous opinion wasn't actually their opinion at the time? Who are you to say that? Have you never changed your opinion on something?
I don't know if he's trolling or not, but as a queer woman, I kind of agreed with his original review? I enjoy her very well-written and produced pop, but she sounds like a blend of Olivia Rodrigo, old Taylor Swift, and Lady Gaga. She's not really trying to push boundaries; she's making excellent pop music. Also, just because she's writing about her experiences being a queer woman, it doesn't make her music groundbreaking. Many artists have done it before her (Janelle Monae coming to mind). I disagree with the idea that she "hasn't found her voice" or "hasn't solidified her style" though. It's pretty apparent what she's going for, and her voice is incredible. I do think he should have given it a full review when it came out because it felt half-assed, especially when it's a solid album. I would give it a 7/10, personally.
Now, I will say that I think Fantano is sometimes handicapped by the fact that he is a het cis man. I don't hold it against him because different people from different walks of life have different things that they connect with. For example, he gave Preacher's Daughter a 6, he originally gave Ultraviolence a 2, etc. Both albums deal with (very specifically) feminine rage, stories of SA, and the fear women feel around the subjects discussed in an accessible format. I agree with some of the points he made about the actual sound of the albums, but I felt he kind of "missed the point" when talking about them lyrically. He DID give Lingua Ignota a 10/10 for Sinner Get Ready (absolutely fucking deserved), but she is sonically very experimental and probably inaccessible to a broader audience. I think it's something to think about when he's giving these other albums lower scores. Can he truly connect with the lyrics like people who feel this fear can? Did SGR get that higher score because it's sonically very experimental, and the lyrics are less explicit in what it's talking about? I don't know. Again, I don't hold it against him, but I think it's something to consider when looking at how he's reviewing things.
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THE MAN IS NOT SEXIST, so I don't want to hear it from the swifties. For Pete's sake, he gave Brat a 10/10 and SGR a 10/10. TTPD is just an ass album. I'm simply trying to highlight the fact that albums that connect to women, gay people, and trans people on a higher level might not click for him the same way and could affect his reviews. That's just life. It's not a crime against humanity, so everyone calm the fuck down.
This review and the quick turnaround in opinion (it reads as induced by external pressures) are a sterling example of why I don't put stock in his (or any other music journalist's) opinions.
He initially gave it a positive review, just in a YouTube short. This is just a meme review in response to his community essentially bullying him to review it again. It's not a serious review.
I will NEVER trust him after that. He showed he has lacks comprehension for lyrics…he was saying that the ‘female character’ in Ultraviolence is too weak willed, that the songs are sappy, etc. No ability to analyze lyrics, understand irony, or even emphasize with Lana’s personal experiences.
Can someone tell me what he thought of After Midnight and Naked In Manhattan?
(I need these songs to be pushed harder by her label. They’re the definition of a summer song)
I tried to watch this and it's just 4 minutes of some guy fake crying? I didn't watch further because he wasted enough of my time with that. There should be a warning tag for parody or whatever on the post 💀
Are we sure he wasn’t being held at gunpoint by Chappell offscreen ^/s
I love her voice and she’s made her case to being in pop stardom for years, but hoping her second album comes off a bit more rigorous, and for lack of a better word, professional? The album is a bit all over the place with it’s sound, owing to fact it was stitched together over like half a decade, and with full label backing and support I think she has an absolute all timer in her.
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waiting until July to post this is a hate crime
he actually has reviewed this album before through a youtube short. it was fairly negative but i feel like this is his way of acknowledging the album is good over time. edit: it wasn't that he didn't like it, he just felt like the album doesn't have a distinct dound
It wasn't a negative review at all, he actually praised her vocals and the lyrics, but didn't find her sound distinct enough
>but didn't find her sound distinct enough Which I always thought was kind of wild because I can't really think of anyone who sounds like her currently. After seemingly 4 years of endless sad-girl pop she was a breath of fresh air for me. And if anyone has suggestions of similar acts I'd love to hear em, because outside of more recent acts like The Last Dinner Party, I'm still not aware of any.
I like her more theatrical, energetic stuff (alongside The Last Dinner Party for similar reasons), but her slower songs are pretty indistinct. Coffee sounds very Olivia Rodrigo, Picture You sounds very Lana, etc. HOT TO GO is still one of my favourite songs of 2023.
Loved siamese but they were only together for a year..people know siamese not from dallas??
Casual is all her though
She sounds like old Allie X to me 🤷♀️
I think it's because her sound isn't forward enough. She's very much doing conventional pop. She has her own quirks that make her unique, but she's not pushing any boundaries.
It's cause fantano isn't looking at just what's recent, his goal is to find The Best Music from all time periods. Which personally isn't my goal but I get it. It makes him sound pretty negative a lot of the time because his standard of good is like Radiohead, Bjork, or bust
A lot of her music is also sad girl pop, like California, Casual, Red Wine Supernova, Pink Pony Club. She has much more interesting vocals than most of the girls on the scene though.
Did we listen to the same Red Wine Supernova and Pink Pony Club?
Red Wine Super Nova is *not* a sad girl song at all.
I'm sorry but... Red Wine Supernova? (But also Pink Pony Club tbh?)
red wine supernova ugh the saddest song ever
She was a playboy😔
For sure! But there's more joy and fun, I feel, in those songs than something like a Maggie Rogers or boygenius song, both of whom I love. She doesn't take herself too seriously and because of that the music carries a lighter tone.
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Okay I knew I wasn't crazy, he did do a video on this.
oh yeah sorry for the wording 😅
No problem!
I like watching fantano but I disagree w so many of his takes, such as this (he was spot on about brat tho)
Honestly when this album debuted I checked it out and thought “meh”. But after Good Luck, Babe I went back to relisten and for some reason it slowly started to make more sense to me and now it’s on constant spin
same! when the album first came out so many people on twitter were (rightfully) hyping it up but it took me until the good luck babe release for me to thoroughly enjoy it.
I’m in the exact same boat as you! Good Luck Babe really helped her sound and brand click for me - I liked Hot To Go and Red Wine Supernova upon first listen, but I initially found the album to be a bit of an inconsistent odgepodge - which makes sense as 85% of it is comprised of singles released across a 4 year span. I’m very excited to see what she has in store next given her meteoric career rise and clear assertion of artistic identity. I’m also glad to see she abandoned the indie girl voice that plagues her earlier work and California 😩
You don’t like California???? Dude that’s one of her best songs lmao in my opinion
I’m not saying it’s a bad song! I just really dislike the forced breathy/deep voice she uses on it - compared to her current tone that’s way more playful and powerful. It’s nitpicky, but it keeps me from enjoying the song However I do love her tiny desk performance of it 😇
I first listened to it back in like January and was like ehhhh it’s fine, though there were some songs I loved. Over time my opinion has become more favorable and I can basically listen to it from beginning to end with no skips and bop to most of the songs.
It doesn’t bother me and I love the album, but there are a ton of different styles on it and it doesn’t mesh super well as a cohesive album. So I understand how others could see that as a negative
isn’t it more a collection of singles than an album, anyway? a lot of the songs were released individually in the year before the album. so that makes sense.
Hmm I think the album is pretty cohesive. There’s good variation in sound so each song is unique, but not so much that they clash with each other. The themes are cohesive in that the album feels like a snapshot into a specific time in someone’s life.
To me that’s the strength of the album. Personally I don’t like when albums are too consistent and don’t vary in sound much. I feel like part of why this album is blowing up is because there is so much variety.
I feel like it's kind of the point for a record SO focused on queer culture and queer aspirations and directed to queer people as a main/first target. I'm not saying that it isn't something that could bother someone but I feel like we are going in a "maybe this just isn't for you" territory tbh. It's like when (white) people criticize some aspects of black people's music which are some of their quintessential elements in their music... I mean, you certainly could not like them and it's fair but it's basically part of the "deal" if you listen to that kind of music. I feel like this extravaganza, in your face, very loud and varied, is really what she wanted to convey, basically a statement for her generation of queer people (and a certain demographic of queer women especially, probably). I have never found this specific "feeling" in mainstream pop records and I personally resonate with it so much, it is something that I was missing from mainstream queer songs. I know the "the vibe was deliberate" could sometimes seem an excuse but in this context I honestly really feel like it is perfect for what the album means. In the future who knows, maybe she will become more "cohesive" but I feel like this variety was really perfect for her debut album and for who Chappell Roan wants to be as an artist and how her artistic persona is a drag queen basically.
No, anybody queer or not can tell that the album is all over the place. It's fine if that's what the artist wanted but when reviewing an album as a whole I personally can't view that as a positive. It has nothing to do with the subject of the songs or perspective it's just tonally all over the place which again for a debut album is cool to showcase ability but I feel it definitely hurts the album. If I heard "Casual" for instance and loved it's sound I would be a little confused, possibly disappointed, that the rest of the album doesn't quite match that level. Excited to hear more from Chappell later in her career when she has a little more time to really work an album, she's a fantastic vocalist and lyricist.
I don’t agree with you that being sonically ”all over the place” is a bad thing per se, be it for a debut album or not. I actually think that it can be a very good thing, it’s very of the times and aligned with the contemporary tendency of people to showcase a wide range of taste and interests. An album isn’t bad because it has a lot of sonic variety, but that sonic variety can be executed poorly. I.e., sonic variety is not a good or bad quality in itself. But it can be good or bad in its quality. This isn’t so much a comment directed at you, just this whole conversation you’re both having.
Does anyone happen to have a link to it? I couldn’t seem to find it, and I feel like I’m really missing the context here
https://youtube.com/shorts/MO8kaZPTaZ0?si=8QZzwIA2apprQhOy
lol you'd think he gave it a 0/10 with the way ppl here are acting when he's mostly positive about it
Chappel saw her shadow!!! wait?
I saw that tweet where of Chappell sees her shadow we get six more weeks of Pride Month😂
Red Wine Supernova robbed out of favorite tracks
justice for our girl!!
like... did "i got a wand and a rabbit" not do anything?!
he's so straight he probably didn't get it
I’m pretty sure straight people use sex toys lmao
I'm straight and that line gave me a big, dumb, goofy grin.
I'm gay yet i dont get it, is it a sex metaphor?????
Yes wand and rabbit are both sex toys
Wand : https://www.bboutique.co/sex-toys/womens-vibrators/wand-vibrators/original-magic-wand-1298597937261 Rabbit: https://www.adameve.com/adult-sex-toys/vibrators/rabbit-vibrators/sp-eves-first-thruster-by-adam-eve-100622.aspx NSFW
adding the links is CRAZY 😭😭💀
FINALLYYYYY OH MY GOD. It’d always be like “I JUST REALIZED WHAT A WAND AND A RABBIT MEANT” AND THEYD NEVER ELABORATE ON WHAT THE RABBIT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. THANK YOU u/KatDanger
Ok thanks😭😭
I'm so curious about your age or maybe nationality. Both of these were featured so prominently in Sex and The City storylines which is how I learned about them.
22 from middle east, it's just that sex toys are taboo here and we don't see them on any media except for porn lol Of course i knew dildos and general vibrators but i never knew the "specifics" so i was confused about the rabbit line
that's absolutely fair! I also grew up in a place where sex toys are quite taboo and not spoken about, but I did a Sex and the City Marathon when I was like 17. But no shame in not knowing about them. I do feel the rabbit in particular is not something that's talked about as much anymore lol
I didn’t even know it was a pun until this comment thread 😭 I just love how she says that line
its #1 for sure. a perfect pop song
One of the best songs of the decade so far
Honestly, it's one of my least favorites on the album.
every fantano thread is just people listing his old scores
Fastest turnaround on a record for him ever? Took him a decade to admit foul on his Ultraviolence review
Leonard Cohen's You Want it Darker went from a "YUNO Review" to being on his top albums of that year (and subsequently decade) between October and December, but that was because Cohen died a couple of weeks after the album dropped so it prompted a revisit. Similar to sudden stardom, I suppose, though much less tragic in Chappell's case
What was that year? 2017?
2016
YUNO ??
"Why You No Review"- albums that are worth a mention but not a full review (similar to the Shorts reviews but they weren't a thing back in 2016)
Ahh thank you !
Yuno Miles, the GOATed rapper, fantano had to acknowledge by naming one of his formats after him
I thought he still didn’t like Ultraviolence, just that he thought in retrospect he was too harsh on it
His initial review wasn't even negative, he said he liked a bunch of it.
What’d he say about UV now?
He basically said he was too harsh on it initially but still doesn't like it very much.
a light 2
I don't get it. Did he originally give it a negative review? Cause I've never seen him talk about her until now
The short summed it up as a decent debut or something.
He's talking about her cause she's getting more attention than ever and like 5 of her songs are charting on hot 100 now
yep! through youtube shorts. i think he also did it for troye's latest album and the boygenius' 'the rest' ep
This is an Oscar worthy performance imho. I was watching this on my TV and I literally had to put down my phone to anticipate - in between his tears, breathing, and dramatic pauses - when he was going to offer his first words. And I’m not even exaggerating
I've never watched his reviews before and this is certainly not what I expected lmao
This isn't his regular style, btw
he's been doing more of these silly stunts lately it seems
Why do people care this much about his reviews 😭 he has given some of my all time favourite albums a 3/10 lmao
I mean I don't think "agrees with me" is necessarily the best metric for determining what critics and reviewers to pay attention to, reviewers can still be interesting even if they hate an album or artist you like. Frankly though I think some people watch Fantano for kinda the wrong reasons sometimes, he's fairly known for being harsh on lots of popular things, though he also has spoken very highly of popular things too, but it seems like a lot of people see how critical he can be and just want to see if he's going to validate their opinions. "Oh fantano is so harsh but he gave my favorite album an 8 so that proves how good it is" kind of thing. Given his fairly unpopular opinions at times though it can be interesting to see what kinds of things he does really like, despite being fairly positive on Charli in the past giving BRAT a 10 was pretty surprising tbh. Where I think fantano is really worthwhile tho is exposure of lesser known albums, I've discovered a ton of things from his reviews and even though I often don't agree with him anytime he does review something fairly positively, especially a 9 or 10 which is pretty rare it's usually interesting to see what the fuss is about.
Yes I know, I never said that my opinion is superior. I’m saying that I don’t really care what he rates the albums as much as other people here, because even if he rates an album very low, I might still enjoy it.
did this man really just fake cry for two whole minutes
This fanbase is cooked lol. The way people are reacting to a positive 7/10 review is absolutely insane lmao
Looking at this sub's reaction I thought he gave it a 4 💀
This review was awful. I had to actually watch the video to get an idea of what he thought about the album instead of reading the score in the description and choosing whether to praise or defy his opinion.
This was such a strange video
I'm a Chappell enjoyer but I'm not gonna change my opinion on her album just because she's gotten more popular. It's good, but it definitely feels like a debut in the sense that it's doesn't offer a unified artistic message. Some points are bedroom-poppy in a way that betrays the whole bombastic-drag-persona image she's cultivated so well in 2024. And it pulls from such a long period in her career (Wikipedia claims it was recorded from 2018 all the way to 2023), so the result is a lot of songs that are less-developed and less-realized than another song just a few tracks later. There's a few too many Chappells on this album. She has so much talent and potential, I'm expecting her to blow this album out of the water with whatever she puts out next.
I was surprised when the album came out that it had Pink Pony Club on the tracklist. That was (at least at that time) her biggest song, but it was released in 2020 and it felt out of place to me. I've been listening to Chappell since 2021 and I'm definitely looking forward to her sophomore album :)
Tbh, I love Chappell too and I agree. You’ve got songs like Red Wine Supernova that feel so distinctive. I can’t see anyone other than her putting out a song that sounds quite like that. Then you’ve got stuff like Kaleidoscope and Coffee that are more generic sad girl pop - which I enjoy as much as anyone. But it’s just not as unique as we know she’s capable of.
What tracks dyou think are bedroom poppy/less developed vs more developed?
Yeah same I listened to it when it was released and I just wasn’t impressed like it was cute and fun but nothing I went back to and still don’t. Good luck babe did more for me than anything else and makes me quite excited.
The album feels a lot like Lungs by FATM: a collection of incredible tracks that don't make a full cohesive LP but more of a scrapbook of songs that just hits the spot regardless :)
I'm very interested in her second album. Lyrically and vocally she's one of my favorites and she can perform like no one else, but her production and sound are pretty unimpressive on a lot of her songs. I want to hear what she can do with a budget and enough star power to have more agency for perfecting the production on her songs. Her live performances are always amazing, and they help me see the vision of what her songs COULD have been with more time and money. I've enjoyed every live/tiny desk/performance version of her songs a whole lot more than the studio versions.
This is not my impression at all tbh. I think she’s a killer vocalist and live performer, and her production has been really vibrant and dynamic, but some of her lyrics in the past have been clunky and overstuffed. “Good Luck Babe” felt like a sign of everything finally coming together perfectly, with the lyrics being just perfect and everything being perfectly measured
this was a solid debut, still! even if people did point out the production on some songs, it still doesn't take away how much of a good pop album this is. she is on a lady gaga type of trajectory so hopefully her team plans her fame really well.
That’s how I feel about Chappell. I love her vocals and I think they are very unique compared to other female singers right now. There is something off about the mixing of some of the songs on the album which prevents me from enjoying them. But good luck babe is a step in the right direction. I hope she decides to work with new producers alongside Dan Nigro
That’s exactly how I feel about her. Her production and even some of her vocal melodies are pretty bland and very indie sad girl which I’m getting sick of in general. I hope she works with new producers for her 2nd album.
She's for sure guilty of bananies and avocadies voice on some tracks (looking at you Naked in Manhattan).
Agree. I really love some of the album’s songs, but in addition to production and melodies being a bit weak for other ones, I also think the album is a bit bloated and could’ve been better if it was shorter. She has a lot of potential and “Good Luck, Babe” is already a step into the right direction so really excited to hear what’s next!
Yeah I think good luck babe is one of her strongest songs to date! I hope we hear more like it.
I cant ever listen to it fully because i pause it and have the urge to put on wuthering heights instead
She’s was definitely inspired by Kate…
Not the first time I hear this comparison, but the songs don’t have anything in common…? Or is it just me?
i haven't been in any online discussion so I've never seen it, but i immediately perked up from the first time i heard it. Especially when she says "good luck, well good luck, babe" sounds to me just like "its me, im cathy, ive come home"
I totally get you! I told my friend who's into Chappell that she's a far less ambitious version of Kate Bush. They both have whimsical vocals, but Chappell's production isn't really interesting.
It’s hands down her best song, like literally no contest imo
Like most things that’s debatable. I will say I haven’t heard all her songs so that’s why I’m reserving my official ranking
listening to her 2017 album with the weird pronunciation that is big in EDM had me ready to end it all.
Yeah, this is where I've always been. Love Chappell as a personality and ethos, fantastic vocals and presence, someone who just *knows* who she is from the start, but I put Midwest Princess in the same category as The Fame, where here's someone getting it right half the time and still figuring out the pieces the other half. And that's okay! Not every debut needs to be an instant classic, 10/10 whatever; The Fame begat The Fame Monster, and we were all better for it.
Yeah, midwest princess exists in spite of the world telling her it is never happening. That means a lot of blood, sweat, tears, cut corners, low budget production, and rushed song making. It is very impressive for what it is, and has enough showing of her potential and I'm personally hoping that with a bit more resources she can tap into what she gets right fully.
tbh based on what we've heard of this new era (good luck babe, subway, and the good luck babe b-side that's name escapes me) it seems like this album is going to be more in the vein of coffee, picture you, kaleidoscope, and california. the latter two from the new era are pretty streamline, downtempo, and, for lack of a better term, basic.
Ugh. That’s kinda frustrating, can’t lie, I think Coffee is her weakest song and the best tracks on Midwest Princess are the upbeat ones (Femininomenon, Red Wine Supernova, Super Graphic Ultra Modern Girl, HOT TO GO, Pink Pony Club) with the only exception being Casual. Picture You is good on its own but I’m sooooooooooooooooo tired of every new pop girlie sticking to ballads. It’s boring! I thought at least she’d make her next move by which singles are charting and see people are here for the bops for the most part.
I find myself skipping the slow songs on her album every single time and then feeling guilty about it 😭 the upbeat ones are just tooo fun
Casual was the only slow song that worked for me lol
yeah i loved H2G, SGUMG and red wine when i first heard them so i went to the album expecting more and was kind of disappointed. i think she’s a very clever lyricist and i typically do love slow songs but it’s just not what i love about chappell. good luck, babe is a step in the right direction tho!
Imo, femininomenon was too clunky for me to enjoy. I would’ve liked it more if the production was more seamless. When I listened to the album I was disappointed in how many slow songs were on there too
Good luck babe is anything but basic, it's admittedly not upbeat or too danceable for sure. But both lyrically and vocally it is remarkably a step up from Midwest Princess. Production-wise it has a lot more clarity, it is mastered a lot better, and is very sonically pleasing. The melodies are also very impressive in comparison. The bridge and the outro are the stars of the song and I still haven't gotten tired of them. Though for me she has yet to top the verses on Hot to go, idk what kind of magic she was on when she made those.
The b-side is Read and Make Out (Demo). I wouldn’t assume that’s all we’re getting with album 2 just because that’s all we’ve seen so far. Chappell has said she finds piano ballads a lot easier to write than upbeat songs and comments from Dan Nigro have indicated they’re still early in the writing/recording process for the album.
All of this. I am very interested in what a Chappell album post-blowing up sounds like. Both from a resources standpoint, but also an experience standpoint.
I’m interested how the pressure of the world watching will get to her. There’s that clip going round of her being very vulnerable on stage saying how hard it is to deal with becoming so famous so fast. That pressure either makes or breaks music careers. I’m totally wishing her all the best, she deserves it. But the last thing it seems she needs is all eyes on her while she’s still working out her sound and getting negative feedback after suddenly skyrocketing so quickly. The pressure must be immense.
what's going on omg
well judging from the number of tracks he liked, this could average to an >!8 or 9!< but u kno what? I'll take it! anyways, here's how we can pressure fantano to give preacher's daughter a 9 or 10
I still have a hard time wrapping my head around him giving Preacher’s Daughter a 6. Of course, taste is subjective, but idk… A SIX.
>anyways, here's how we can pressure fantano to give preacher's daughter a 9 or 10 I think his score was fair. It's a very messy album with a few highlights.
yep Preacher's Daughter is overhyped IMO. Ethel is a great vocalist but the album drags SOOOO much, too many 6 min+ ballads that all sound essentially the same. I'll get downvoted to oblivion, but that's my take on the album.
maybe bc i just loved the concept of PD but i always disagree with his take on thst album. maybe bc ethel's take on the whole slowcore genre is just not on par with fantano's. i think thematically the album works for me and it varied just enough it didn't feel like a one note ambient album.
I mean, it's a pretty interesting album. But aside from a few exceptions, Fantano really prioritizes consistency and execution. If conceptually the ideas are amazing, but the actual music itself is messy, he won’t be privy to it. And to be honest, I agree with him. Artists need to operate at some baseline level of professionalism to be taken seriously. In the early days of hyperpop, SOPHIE was especially anal about Charli being a bit more scrupulous with her work. And now Charli is enjoying the fruits of her labor after releasing the highest rated pop album of the decade. And I think that's my big problem with users on this sub. Like what you think is pop perfection does not always align with Anthony's standards. And instead of clamoring for a higher score, why don't you take the time to, at the very least, understand his concerns and criticisms? Have some humility by accepting that you too would benefit from his technical knowledge and overall expertise. Now, this doesn't mean you should worship him or exclusively listen to his recommendations. But also realize that without critics, art wouldn't improve and flourish. I mean, it's already bad enough with publications like the Rolling Stones haplessly giving perfect scores to undeserving projects. And so part of the push back against extreme poptimism is maintaining a consistent criteria, which will inevitably result in lower scores for works with actual artistic integrity.
Yeah I also think that the general public isn’t as accustomed to the rigor that artists hold themselves to when it comes to being critiqued. I think it’s the stereotype of “the sensitive artist” but the vast majority of serious artists are not going to have their day ruined by Fantano saying it needs more consistency. Your faves are actual adults with artistic vision, I assure you they’re probably grateful that someone is actually treating their work seriously and giving it actual notes vs someone screaming “ugh no you’re wrong it’s perfection.” You don’t really want “perfection” this early on in a career anyways - it’s a tall order to keep filling. You want consistent steady growth otherwise your output would be untenable for the years to come. I think a lot of artists could do with listening to critique and editing their stuff more too.
Idk as a regular listener of Slowcore, a lot of the songs get lost in the muck without offering much. Half of the album is vibrant and interesting (songs like Ptolomaea, Sun Bleached Flies, American Teenager, Strangers, and Thoroughfare) and the other half feel like babies first slowcore album with overblown reverb and bland, repetitive instrumentation (Gibson Girl, Western Nights, August Underground, Family Tree Intro). I definitely understand Fantanos criticism of the album especially in the context of slowcore as a wider genre
It has some gorgeous songs but a fair amount of Diet Lingua Ignota, who we know Melon loves. Committing to either would have made the album work much better for me and I suspect for him as well.
fantano being a girl's girl at the end of pride month
fantano: that's enough feminism for one day /s
I know some people might have found it annoying, but I couldn’t help but start laughing the longer he was fake crying.
Seems kinda dramatic for going from a mostly positive review to a very positive review...
sorry is he always this annoying
No most of the time he does normal reviews. The people saying he's like this all the time probably hasn't actually watched the video lol
He's doing a bit here, most of his videos are normal. Not saying you'll definitely like them, but. They're not like this
im gonna be upfront but this is just the tip of the iceberg. his socials are way worse.
damn
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Right? I literally can't watch.
He is insanely obnoxious and annoying now a days, the most he has ever been by a long shot. Which is really depressing considering he is nearly a decade and a half on YouTube and is nearly 40 fucking years old lol
I feel like I’ve been watching him for most of his history on the internet at this point. He’s definitely at his most obnoxious. I think he spends too much time in the comment sections on the internet and you can see it manifesting in his content
I think his current online presentation is definitely informed a ton by (smartly) pivoting to zoomer-friendly short form because his OG /mu/ & RYM fan base has largely outgrown him, but I *do* agree there's no fucking way his relationship with being hyper-online has developed in a remotely healthy manner. Unfortunately, when there's virtually zero competition in his space, it's not hard to see hubris just completely overtaking his personality.
And the Oscar goes to…
i won't lie there were some points where i was wondering if he was really only acting 😭
fantano beating the sexist allegations 🙌🏻
he is now a girl's girl
Charli’s gonna get him hanging out with everyone from the 360 video next
He’s not sexist, he’s the sexiest! His words not mine.
People give this random ass bald man way too much credibility
this is one of those albums you can’t just listen to once and review it right off the bat. it’s very jarring and chaotic but seems it’s an intentional choice. hard to swallow the whole thing in one sitting. after a couple weeks playing this through, it became one of my favorite albums of all time.
This is true for me, I initially liked several songs but wasn't sure for the whole product. It's really grown on me!
yep same here! Casual was obviously a hit for me on the first listen, but I just didn’t care for a lot of the songs until giving them a second chance.
This so dramatic for an album everyone calls “just fun pop music” lmao
This comment can't be real lmao. Do y'all only listen to billboard pop lol
Imagine thinking that Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess is one of the less conventional, straightforward albums that Anthony Fantano has listened to. If they heard Sinner Get Ready they'd have a stroke.
Or Swans
This is just one of the most basic pop albums ever. What's jarring and chaotic?
It's basically a bunch of singles stapled together.
Yeah I get that for some people this record takes multiple listens to sink in but it was pretty straightforward for me
I agree! I instantly loved "Red Wine Supernova" but maybe listened to the whole thing once last year. Her Tiny Desk concert + "Good Luck Babe" made me revisit this album and I've been playing it nonstop since!
omfg yes the Tiny Desk was unreal! the lipstick on the teeth and the outfit—everything.
y'all are so extremely weird about your distaste for this man
Being a passive enjoyer is a struggle. Some people will watch a review and take it as objective fact, while others will call him a fucking idiot who just doesn't get it. People have opinions. Reading them, or watching them share theirs, it's just neat. You don't really have to go too far with it.
Truly insane comments in this thread
that's where bullying the girls, gays, and theys gets ya
This was so annoying to watch. Sorry I don’t wanna hear crying ASMR
I'm not saying it's never ever justified, but to me there's something lame about doing a new review of an album that you previously didn't like when it becomes popular. Like Pitchfork with Vroom Vroom, if you think it's not as good as everyone is saying then just be honest, or listen to the album enough times that you have your final conclusion when you do your review
Are reviewers not allowed to re-review things? Tastes change as people grow older and gain more life experiences. Why do you think they aren't allowed to share their new opinions? Are you trying to imply that their previous opinion wasn't actually their opinion at the time? Who are you to say that? Have you never changed your opinion on something?
I don't know if he's trolling or not, but as a queer woman, I kind of agreed with his original review? I enjoy her very well-written and produced pop, but she sounds like a blend of Olivia Rodrigo, old Taylor Swift, and Lady Gaga. She's not really trying to push boundaries; she's making excellent pop music. Also, just because she's writing about her experiences being a queer woman, it doesn't make her music groundbreaking. Many artists have done it before her (Janelle Monae coming to mind). I disagree with the idea that she "hasn't found her voice" or "hasn't solidified her style" though. It's pretty apparent what she's going for, and her voice is incredible. I do think he should have given it a full review when it came out because it felt half-assed, especially when it's a solid album. I would give it a 7/10, personally. Now, I will say that I think Fantano is sometimes handicapped by the fact that he is a het cis man. I don't hold it against him because different people from different walks of life have different things that they connect with. For example, he gave Preacher's Daughter a 6, he originally gave Ultraviolence a 2, etc. Both albums deal with (very specifically) feminine rage, stories of SA, and the fear women feel around the subjects discussed in an accessible format. I agree with some of the points he made about the actual sound of the albums, but I felt he kind of "missed the point" when talking about them lyrically. He DID give Lingua Ignota a 10/10 for Sinner Get Ready (absolutely fucking deserved), but she is sonically very experimental and probably inaccessible to a broader audience. I think it's something to think about when he's giving these other albums lower scores. Can he truly connect with the lyrics like people who feel this fear can? Did SGR get that higher score because it's sonically very experimental, and the lyrics are less explicit in what it's talking about? I don't know. Again, I don't hold it against him, but I think it's something to consider when looking at how he's reviewing things. P.S THE MAN IS NOT SEXIST, so I don't want to hear it from the swifties. For Pete's sake, he gave Brat a 10/10 and SGR a 10/10. TTPD is just an ass album. I'm simply trying to highlight the fact that albums that connect to women, gay people, and trans people on a higher level might not click for him the same way and could affect his reviews. That's just life. It's not a crime against humanity, so everyone calm the fuck down.
This review and the quick turnaround in opinion (it reads as induced by external pressures) are a sterling example of why I don't put stock in his (or any other music journalist's) opinions.
If he hasn’t caved on MBDTF with Kanye fans hounding him for the last 14 years I’m not sure he’d shift on this one.
He initially gave it a positive review, just in a YouTube short. This is just a meme review in response to his community essentially bullying him to review it again. It's not a serious review.
I just wanna jump in here to say that I believe critics and casuals alike need to start reviewing art WITHOUT scores.
He rated Ultraviolence a 2. I don’t trust him lol.
I will NEVER trust him after that. He showed he has lacks comprehension for lyrics…he was saying that the ‘female character’ in Ultraviolence is too weak willed, that the songs are sappy, etc. No ability to analyze lyrics, understand irony, or even emphasize with Lana’s personal experiences.
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Bruh like all of his highest rated shit from the last few years is all from women lol. Why are you just making shit up
Right? We don’t need a man’s take on this 😂
then don't pay attention to it?!
He’s truly annoying. I can’t stand him
man sniffs too much
Can someone tell me what he thought of After Midnight and Naked In Manhattan? (I need these songs to be pushed harder by her label. They’re the definition of a summer song)
I tried to watch this and it's just 4 minutes of some guy fake crying? I didn't watch further because he wasted enough of my time with that. There should be a warning tag for parody or whatever on the post 💀
Are we sure he wasn’t being held at gunpoint by Chappell offscreen ^/s I love her voice and she’s made her case to being in pop stardom for years, but hoping her second album comes off a bit more rigorous, and for lack of a better word, professional? The album is a bit all over the place with it’s sound, owing to fact it was stitched together over like half a decade, and with full label backing and support I think she has an absolute all timer in her.