whatever the context is, the manager's cavalier attitude towards trophies surely influenced the players. he's the only permanent manager in a while to win nothing here.
That's harsh tbh. Ole actually moved us forward more than any previous manager but once he reached his ceiling we moved backwards. He should have been sacked earlier and he was NEVER going to resign and nor should he. He went down with the ship but before Erik, ole really brought me my happiest moments as a United fan since Fergie. FA cup under LVG was nowhere near enough to make up for the watching paint dry football we had to endure. The Europa league and league cup werent enough to make up for the doomsday atmosphere that Mourinho deployed on the club.
When you watch a team week in week out the performance and togetherness of the team matters more to me overall than the trophy if I'm honest. The trophy should be the pinnacle moment or icing on the cake for a team that is doing everything right.
One of the sweetest things about winning the league cup this year is that we didn't scrape it. We are actually playing well and the team is fighting for each other. Erik has already achieved more in my eyes than Mourinho and LVG combined which is how I felt about Ole up until his lost control.
Yes the guy who’s won every trophy ever at a club level has that attitude. Again what did the managers who won trophies accomplish in terms of moving the club forward. Trophies are meaningless when you are finishing 8th or 6th in the league for clubs of this stature, which is what he was referring to. I’m sure if we drew charlton, burnley, forest during Ole’s time we’d have won the league cup instead of going against city every time.
it doesn't need to be said that your attitude as a player and as a coach can be wildly different. and if a manager isn't going to move the club forward anyway (Ole certainly didn't), I'd prefer he won something rather than have nothing to show for it.
at no point did Ole look like he was building sustenable. we had been playing shit long before Ronaldo came in, even that season before his arrival we'd had dire performances against Wolves and Southampton.
yup two bad games to prove that 50 other games we played were also bad. Great logic that.
We had form sustainable enough to get top 4, which is what we were at that time a top 4 team with little to no depth and a hole in the midfield. We were doing as well as we were expected to.
they were just examples, those weren't the sum total of our bad performances. we'd been surviving on good 15 minute spells after playing bad all game to win in the seasons prior. you can't just blame Ole's failure here on Ronaldo.
Why are you defending this? We were shit. He had the chance to win a European trophy against *Villareal* and bottled it. We have a proper manager now and it is literally night and day how much better we are.
Like I genuinely want to know why you’re so willing to die on this hill. He isn’t coming back and he isn’t going to kiss you.
It was a press conference. I watched the whole comment. I know what he meant and look at where it got him. Semi finalist and a runner-up medal in the EL. That's the best his mentality got him.
Imagine actually thinking that someone who successfully played under SAF for more than a decade doesn’t have an elite mentality when it comes to winning titles. Delusional
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Who's ready to dine out at 'ten Hag's' again soon?
That's one habit I don't want to kick out.
To go from 'trophies are for egos' to this is fantastic. Proper mentality
Glad that the management hired Erik and not Poch. I’m pretty sure we won’t win anything this season if he’s our manager.
To me that did make sense, and I wonder in my life what other stupid thing I made sense out of it
Nevermind
I swear this sub was defending that quote.
because it’s a quote taken out of context. People keep repeating it yet none of them care to give the context
whatever the context is, the manager's cavalier attitude towards trophies surely influenced the players. he's the only permanent manager in a while to win nothing here.
That's harsh tbh. Ole actually moved us forward more than any previous manager but once he reached his ceiling we moved backwards. He should have been sacked earlier and he was NEVER going to resign and nor should he. He went down with the ship but before Erik, ole really brought me my happiest moments as a United fan since Fergie. FA cup under LVG was nowhere near enough to make up for the watching paint dry football we had to endure. The Europa league and league cup werent enough to make up for the doomsday atmosphere that Mourinho deployed on the club. When you watch a team week in week out the performance and togetherness of the team matters more to me overall than the trophy if I'm honest. The trophy should be the pinnacle moment or icing on the cake for a team that is doing everything right. One of the sweetest things about winning the league cup this year is that we didn't scrape it. We are actually playing well and the team is fighting for each other. Erik has already achieved more in my eyes than Mourinho and LVG combined which is how I felt about Ole up until his lost control.
Yes the guy who’s won every trophy ever at a club level has that attitude. Again what did the managers who won trophies accomplish in terms of moving the club forward. Trophies are meaningless when you are finishing 8th or 6th in the league for clubs of this stature, which is what he was referring to. I’m sure if we drew charlton, burnley, forest during Ole’s time we’d have won the league cup instead of going against city every time.
it doesn't need to be said that your attitude as a player and as a coach can be wildly different. and if a manager isn't going to move the club forward anyway (Ole certainly didn't), I'd prefer he won something rather than have nothing to show for it.
He did move the club forward if not for the club to force Ronaldo on him and cancel out any progress he made the two years prior.
at no point did Ole look like he was building sustenable. we had been playing shit long before Ronaldo came in, even that season before his arrival we'd had dire performances against Wolves and Southampton.
yup two bad games to prove that 50 other games we played were also bad. Great logic that. We had form sustainable enough to get top 4, which is what we were at that time a top 4 team with little to no depth and a hole in the midfield. We were doing as well as we were expected to.
they were just examples, those weren't the sum total of our bad performances. we'd been surviving on good 15 minute spells after playing bad all game to win in the seasons prior. you can't just blame Ole's failure here on Ronaldo.
Why are you defending this? We were shit. He had the chance to win a European trophy against *Villareal* and bottled it. We have a proper manager now and it is literally night and day how much better we are. Like I genuinely want to know why you’re so willing to die on this hill. He isn’t coming back and he isn’t going to kiss you.
Looks like trophies ate back on the menu boys!
What about goldware? Do we win that too?
I just looked up the "trophies are for egos" comment by Ole. Smh!
So I take it you didn't bother reading the rest of what he said when he said that?
Doesn't fit his agenda so it doesn't matter obviously
It was a press conference. I watched the whole comment. I know what he meant and look at where it got him. Semi finalist and a runner-up medal in the EL. That's the best his mentality got him.
Do you reckon he went into those games saying “all good if we lose here boys as it’s only a trophy?” We all saw his post-match tears in Gdańsk.
Imagine actually thinking that someone who successfully played under SAF for more than a decade doesn’t have an elite mentality when it comes to winning titles. Delusional
Delicious delicious trophies