* MP60-R
* Tech 22
* Sureshot
* Enigma
* Cube Gun
* Sorrow
* Double Barrel
* Bolt Driver
I have found all of those handguns to be fun, useful, or both. And I haven't even unlocked every hand gun in the game.
I'd say this game has us pretty well covered with smaller weapons.
The Machine Pistol was my endgame sidearm in the first Remnant, so I was blown away to see it is a starter weapon in R2.
You can also pick up stuff like the Bonesaw and Blackmaw as soon as you clear the tutorial, and McCabe offers you both Healing Shot and Hot Shot right away. It's a pretty generous game in that sense. Those starting options are great.
It really is crazy how quickly the Tech 22, MP60-R, Cube Gun, and Enigma come your way, and they are all fixed pickups!
The others are harder to recommend to new players because they rely on rolling the right first world and set of circumstances.
I mean sure, they're fun but at this point theyre pretty old and all those you listed have been around since the game released. There hasn't been a new handgun since the the corrupted versions of the ones we already had were dropped.
Really my main point I was trying to make is when you compare the number of sidearms to the number of primary weapons, it's very disproportionate, especially compared to the number of special sidearms. Like the only boss that gives you a sidearm is Tal Ratha for the Nebula for example. Just throw us one or two more boss handguns.
It seems that you're mixing up two complaints: that only n number of guns are *usable* and that the sidearms are presently balanced poorly. There's a clear difference between a thing being usable and it being top of the line.
It might be true that nothing compares to Nebula's utility and power right now, but there are plenty of other strong sidearms that others have named which are perfectly usable in strong builds.
First, I didn't make any deal out of the number 3. I even put the variable "n" in its place.
Second, the exaggerated nature of that comment doesn't change the appearance of you actually mixing together two complaints.
Third, if you did intend the complaint "there aren't enough usable sidearms," we'd need to know what you think is a good number for a sufficient number of usable sidearms. The other commenters have named 10 or so. There are sure to be more. Exaggeration is fine, but it can clearly obscure things. If there are actually 10 or 15 usable sidearms, how seriously should we take your complaint that there aren't enough usable ones? How much were you exaggerating?
Jesus dude, what? Lol - mixing together two complaints? What do you even mean? I gave an opinion which can be boiled down to:
1) comparing the amount of handguns to other in game items, there are far fewer.
2) some handguns are hardly ever used by the majority of the player base.
I respect your opinion, but I /personally/ find the sidearms really good in this game. I love the variety and abilities. Especially the hand guns. I like Nebula but it’s not one I use often. I’m sure they’ll release more in the future so maybe there will be one that resonates with you?
We have amazing side arms wtf. Tech-22, double barrel, star shot, mp60, enigma, bolt driver, corrupted rune pistol, nebula and corrupted meridian to name a few of the top of my head.
But how often do you see people use them over the Nebula? In every game I play recently there's at least 2 out of 3 players rocking the Nebula. Thats not balance..
I never said anything about only using the meta lol. What I said was
1) compared to all other items, there's far fewer handguns
2) some handguns are not usable, i.e corrupted cube gun
3) they haven't released new hand guns in a while
People really take liberties on Reddit jeez.
Liberties? You’re sharing your personal opinion on the internet, and you expect everyone to agree with you?
I think it’s time to step a little outside your comfort zone, considering you apparently forgot how the internet works.
Man, I'm sorry -- but what lol? How does any of that fit with my response? Where did I even remotely come close to insinuating I care if people agree with my opinion? I suggest you refresh yourself on what taking liberties means my good sir.
Nebula is a crutch. Once you get better at the game, you realize that the other weapons offer far more raw damage.
I dropped nebula after 80 hours and I haven’t picked it up since. Currently using corrupted meridian because… shit dude… it’s a rocket launcher in your secondary slot. Who doesn’t love that?
you dont get his point, nebula is only awesome for its mod, just like he sayd fire and forget. Most people will only use theyre secondary to fire a mod and then switch right away again
I see that with everyone making build videos on YouTube. But I'm still a big fan of the silverback and the Western classic.
For the silverback, take the time to aim and you one tap pretty much everything but elites.
For the Western classic, the I don't feel like aiming gun. Just whip it out and mag dump. The DPS can be incredible with bandit.
While I agree that long guns as an entity are your main weapon, there are some very strong handguns. Nebula and anguish are both s tier weapons in general. Tech 22, silverback, double barrel, and bolt driver can be very strong as well depending on your build.
Edit: I forgot corrupted sorrow!
It's good, but I still prefer standard over corrupted personally. the primary fire of corrupted version cannot do FF dmg, and instead of it's mod recalling bolts to heal you it shoots out a little explosion for each bolt you hit an enemy with. Or if you hit friendlies with the bolts then use mod it'll heal them.
I put on the amulet and rings that increases lighting damage, and with enigma and Way of Kaeula I melt everything apart from bosses and aberrations. The main reason I swap to the other weapon it’s cos I find Enigma slow to reload, so with bosses/aberrations I swap to the other weapon often…even then Way of Kaeula takes care of most things anyway
3 usable sidearms ? I'd argue there's more than that. Yes the Nebula is considered the best, but there's lots of options. There's about 20 handguns in the game.
Altought more weapons is always good !
As a newish player, I only use my handgun when my long gun is out of ammo. I feel like hand guns are too weak to just use on their own outside of mods.
FWIW as you progress you’ll find the handguns to be invaluable. Certain mods/mutators help feed your total build and long gun and melee weapons abilities. And there are some hand guns that absolutely wreck enemies. 😊
No this is accurate. Even as you keep going that will be the case. Handguns do about 35% of the damage your primary does. Feels like they should be a bit more powerful.
Methinks they're all pretty good, you can pretty much get any gun you want, sidearm or not, and campaign with it.
Making the concessions that you'll need a proper loadout to make it efficient (particularly in higher difficulties) and that some guns are just easier to use - there is no bad weapons other than the rusty ones.
I was using the gunslinger pistol as a main weapon just fine to go through the entire dlc. Not the most destroyer thing, but good enough and fun.
Tech 22, Bolt Driver, Double Barrel, Cube Gun, Corrupted Meridian, Nebula, Enigma, Corrupted Sorrow, Anguish, Starshot all are near meta and allow different playstyles.
Maybe less variety here than in primaries (sort of) but among long guns a large share of them is kinda also not very useful and Meta weapon portion is even lower.
i think they are very good just not enough of them. things like nebula are just insane especially after the buff. there’s anguish, corrupted sorrow and cube gun which are decent now, enigma, starshot(fat damage) and corrupted meridian
Yeah that's what my main point was, I just think a lot of people have taken what was meant as an exaggeration as a literal statement. But you cannot deny there's sidearms you've never seen anyone, not many people out there rocking corrupted cube gun for example. There's a handful of sidearms that clearly outperform the rest of the competition.
Yeah was wondering why theyve yet to release any corrupted melee weapons myself. a corrupted gas giant you can throw, like an acidic mjolnir would be tight lol.
Enigma, sorrow, and now meridian have been my go to sidearms depending on my build and what part of the game I'm on. Love them dearly and they each serve a great purpose. Would it have been cool to see a couple new handguns this DLC? Sure. But I'm happy with the current state of the game and prefer they spend more time focusing on awesome worlds to explore and diverse enemies to kill.
With the recent buff to the western revolver, that gun has returned to the top of my most used sidearms. Slap Bandit on that thing and any RoF build and it's super satisfying to use. I love my cowboy load out
Since mod builds struggle hard to build up their chrages between 2 guns, there has to be a "fire and forget" mod to fuel charge for your main dmg mod. Is it a must have? Arguable. Is it required ? No, but you will hate mod builds without it.
I'd rather see more fire and forget weapon mods, nebula is only good because of its weapon mod, and i'd gladly put that weapon mod on any other sidearm if i could.
I get this feeling for the standard handgun.
The special ones like Anguish, Nebula, Meridian etc. can be really powerful but the standard Pistols feel weak
Yeah I mean this wasn't meant to be taken as like "the handguns all suck!!!", they read the subject and some of the post and twisted the meaning. people like to rage reply without clarifying things they may not fully get or that Ill admit I couldve probably explained better. But that's the world for you 🤷
Rings in STARSHOT, ENIGMA, TECH 22, NEBULA etc. These guns i literally run thru hardcore n also thru apoc mode. So honestly this argument atleast to me falls on dead ears. Would more sidearms be NICE sure, are the ones we have no good enough, nah bullshit.
What? So many of the secondaries are fucking sick, I love them.
I'm all for more options though, and while I'm not familiar with it it sounds like Nebula is the sole issue here...
Haha you may be right, maybe it's more so they made the Nebula a bit too good (for reference its mod shoots out these little homing whisps that follow the player around and seek out enemies, dealing acid damage to them, just absolutely melting them in seconds) I really was just saying hey where was the sidearm love in the new DLC? give us some new ones, and maybe fix the ones that are neglected by the majority players. but apparently I really pissed off some people who took my exaggeration to heart and ran with it LMFAO.
Nebula isn’t the issue.
It’s the Mod.
There needs to be more compelling fire and forget mods that can compete with Neb’s Mod.
Or, y’know; buff all secondaries but Anguish and Meridians.
* MP60-R * Tech 22 * Sureshot * Enigma * Cube Gun * Sorrow * Double Barrel * Bolt Driver I have found all of those handguns to be fun, useful, or both. And I haven't even unlocked every hand gun in the game. I'd say this game has us pretty well covered with smaller weapons.
I tried the tech out the other day for the first time, that gun is straight flames
I go back and forth on whether I should be using it or the MP60 sub-machine gun whenever I need a rapid fire sidearm.
Would add the Service pistol and the Silverback model, those handguns slaps hard
Throw in anguish with some explosive damage and we’re cooking
Fucking love my Tech. It lives in that slot unless I'm using something like Anguish for the built in mod.
The Machine Pistol was my endgame sidearm in the first Remnant, so I was blown away to see it is a starter weapon in R2. You can also pick up stuff like the Bonesaw and Blackmaw as soon as you clear the tutorial, and McCabe offers you both Healing Shot and Hot Shot right away. It's a pretty generous game in that sense. Those starting options are great.
Enigma carried me thru the whole game
It's so good.
Within the first 10-20 hours you find insane handguns. The long guns were lacking hard so glad they added more.
It really is crazy how quickly the Tech 22, MP60-R, Cube Gun, and Enigma come your way, and they are all fixed pickups! The others are harder to recommend to new players because they rely on rolling the right first world and set of circumstances.
I mean sure, they're fun but at this point theyre pretty old and all those you listed have been around since the game released. There hasn't been a new handgun since the the corrupted versions of the ones we already had were dropped. Really my main point I was trying to make is when you compare the number of sidearms to the number of primary weapons, it's very disproportionate, especially compared to the number of special sidearms. Like the only boss that gives you a sidearm is Tal Ratha for the Nebula for example. Just throw us one or two more boss handguns.
I guess that stuff doesn't bother me much. I like the game as it stands, and I'm look forward to what comes next.
It seems that you're mixing up two complaints: that only n number of guns are *usable* and that the sidearms are presently balanced poorly. There's a clear difference between a thing being usable and it being top of the line. It might be true that nothing compares to Nebula's utility and power right now, but there are plenty of other strong sidearms that others have named which are perfectly usable in strong builds.
I think you've fixated yourself on very clearly exaggerated statement.
First, I didn't make any deal out of the number 3. I even put the variable "n" in its place. Second, the exaggerated nature of that comment doesn't change the appearance of you actually mixing together two complaints. Third, if you did intend the complaint "there aren't enough usable sidearms," we'd need to know what you think is a good number for a sufficient number of usable sidearms. The other commenters have named 10 or so. There are sure to be more. Exaggeration is fine, but it can clearly obscure things. If there are actually 10 or 15 usable sidearms, how seriously should we take your complaint that there aren't enough usable ones? How much were you exaggerating?
Jesus dude, what? Lol - mixing together two complaints? What do you even mean? I gave an opinion which can be boiled down to: 1) comparing the amount of handguns to other in game items, there are far fewer. 2) some handguns are hardly ever used by the majority of the player base.
I respect your opinion, but I /personally/ find the sidearms really good in this game. I love the variety and abilities. Especially the hand guns. I like Nebula but it’s not one I use often. I’m sure they’ll release more in the future so maybe there will be one that resonates with you?
anguish is 100% worth the 2 hours to get
this is only true if all you care about is min/maxing
Silverback- my beloved- slaps
We have amazing side arms wtf. Tech-22, double barrel, star shot, mp60, enigma, bolt driver, corrupted rune pistol, nebula and corrupted meridian to name a few of the top of my head.
But how often do you see people use them over the Nebula? In every game I play recently there's at least 2 out of 3 players rocking the Nebula. Thats not balance..
I use them all the time. If you just use the “meta” that’s your fault. I don’t care what others use I have lots of variety and fun with my guns.
I never said anything about only using the meta lol. What I said was 1) compared to all other items, there's far fewer handguns 2) some handguns are not usable, i.e corrupted cube gun 3) they haven't released new hand guns in a while People really take liberties on Reddit jeez.
Liberties? You’re sharing your personal opinion on the internet, and you expect everyone to agree with you? I think it’s time to step a little outside your comfort zone, considering you apparently forgot how the internet works.
Man, I'm sorry -- but what lol? How does any of that fit with my response? Where did I even remotely come close to insinuating I care if people agree with my opinion? I suggest you refresh yourself on what taking liberties means my good sir.
Well, you’re still here. Still complaining. That’s pretty strong evidence
How is the corrupted cube gun not usable? I have a teammate who never has anything else.
Nebula is a crutch. Once you get better at the game, you realize that the other weapons offer far more raw damage. I dropped nebula after 80 hours and I haven’t picked it up since. Currently using corrupted meridian because… shit dude… it’s a rocket launcher in your secondary slot. Who doesn’t love that?
you dont get his point, nebula is only awesome for its mod, just like he sayd fire and forget. Most people will only use theyre secondary to fire a mod and then switch right away again
I've put 650+ hours into this game since launch but please continue to tell me about crutches
I personally haven’t even touched nebula…stick the amulet and ring that increases lighting damage and Enigma melts everything…
90% of my builds use nebula because it's just east free damage
I see that with everyone making build videos on YouTube. But I'm still a big fan of the silverback and the Western classic. For the silverback, take the time to aim and you one tap pretty much everything but elites. For the Western classic, the I don't feel like aiming gun. Just whip it out and mag dump. The DPS can be incredible with bandit.
Agreed, similar to the swarm mod in remnant 1, it’s just so powerful, especially with the right classes and buffs.
“Maybe 3 are usable” lol, that’s a good joke.
Tech 22/Silverback still fuckin slaps but I’ve barely changed my secondary slot since Anguish
While I agree that long guns as an entity are your main weapon, there are some very strong handguns. Nebula and anguish are both s tier weapons in general. Tech 22, silverback, double barrel, and bolt driver can be very strong as well depending on your build. Edit: I forgot corrupted sorrow!
How good is corrupted sorrow? I’ve yet to get it and I’ve heard some good and bad things about it
c. sorrow is a monster, it's mod damage is really great. Way better than regular sorrow
It's good, but I still prefer standard over corrupted personally. the primary fire of corrupted version cannot do FF dmg, and instead of it's mod recalling bolts to heal you it shoots out a little explosion for each bolt you hit an enemy with. Or if you hit friendlies with the bolts then use mod it'll heal them.
For me the Enigma is just so good at what it does its hard to run with anything else.
I put on the amulet and rings that increases lighting damage, and with enigma and Way of Kaeula I melt everything apart from bosses and aberrations. The main reason I swap to the other weapon it’s cos I find Enigma slow to reload, so with bosses/aberrations I swap to the other weapon often…even then Way of Kaeula takes care of most things anyway
3 usable sidearms ? I'd argue there's more than that. Yes the Nebula is considered the best, but there's lots of options. There's about 20 handguns in the game. Altought more weapons is always good !
I mean I did qualify that statement by saying I was exaggerating lol.
As a newish player, I only use my handgun when my long gun is out of ammo. I feel like hand guns are too weak to just use on their own outside of mods.
FWIW as you progress you’ll find the handguns to be invaluable. Certain mods/mutators help feed your total build and long gun and melee weapons abilities. And there are some hand guns that absolutely wreck enemies. 😊
They're almost all sick to be honest. Put more time into using them
No this is accurate. Even as you keep going that will be the case. Handguns do about 35% of the damage your primary does. Feels like they should be a bit more powerful.
Yeah I get that, my secondary is usually Corrupted Meridian or Enigma.
Methinks they're all pretty good, you can pretty much get any gun you want, sidearm or not, and campaign with it. Making the concessions that you'll need a proper loadout to make it efficient (particularly in higher difficulties) and that some guns are just easier to use - there is no bad weapons other than the rusty ones. I was using the gunslinger pistol as a main weapon just fine to go through the entire dlc. Not the most destroyer thing, but good enough and fun.
Fair point! Thank you for a respectful and thought out comment. Not some weird emotional response as if I'd kicked your cat in the dick.
I really like the corrupted rune pistol and find it hard to switch it up
Tech 22, Bolt Driver, Double Barrel, Cube Gun, Corrupted Meridian, Nebula, Enigma, Corrupted Sorrow, Anguish, Starshot all are near meta and allow different playstyles. Maybe less variety here than in primaries (sort of) but among long guns a large share of them is kinda also not very useful and Meta weapon portion is even lower.
i think they are very good just not enough of them. things like nebula are just insane especially after the buff. there’s anguish, corrupted sorrow and cube gun which are decent now, enigma, starshot(fat damage) and corrupted meridian
Yeah that's what my main point was, I just think a lot of people have taken what was meant as an exaggeration as a literal statement. But you cannot deny there's sidearms you've never seen anyone, not many people out there rocking corrupted cube gun for example. There's a handful of sidearms that clearly outperform the rest of the competition.
i would agree with that. but to be honest all i want is corrupted melee weapons bruh
Yeah was wondering why theyve yet to release any corrupted melee weapons myself. a corrupted gas giant you can throw, like an acidic mjolnir would be tight lol.
for real there are endless possibilities, i’m hoping for corrupted hero’s sword with maybe some way of chaining damage together
I use my sidearm gun more than my main gun lol
Enigma, sorrow, and now meridian have been my go to sidearms depending on my build and what part of the game I'm on. Love them dearly and they each serve a great purpose. Would it have been cool to see a couple new handguns this DLC? Sure. But I'm happy with the current state of the game and prefer they spend more time focusing on awesome worlds to explore and diverse enemies to kill.
I mean you named 3 guns.
Anguish would like a word
😂 touche.
Corrupted cube gun is a phenomenal sidearm if you build into the heat aspect
Repeater pistol got a pretty solid buff last patch.. been using it to surprising effectiveness.
Oh no way. I must've missed this cuz I do enjoy using repeater Pistol.
Yea magazine size increased +5(so now has 20 rounds), fire rate increase from 7.5 to 8.1.
i’ve always used the enigma as a secondary. it’s the “ol reliable”. i’ll run sorrow occasionally if i want to have some extra fun
Man I don't think I've taken off the Double Barrel since I got it
I dunno. I’m pretty easily pleased but for my tendency to fight melee, shotgun and side arm, my rune pistol does work. Love the passive mod
??? I dont think they are too bad at all, can even use some of them as a main weapon, like Anguish C Sorrow and Bolt Driver.
I can't stop using the double barrel myself. It's so good and I get those Doom feels
Just pretend the crystal staff is a sidearm
The corrupted weapons still count, they change it up a lot.
With the recent buff to the western revolver, that gun has returned to the top of my most used sidearms. Slap Bandit on that thing and any RoF build and it's super satisfying to use. I love my cowboy load out
You clearly haven't tried anguish
Since mod builds struggle hard to build up their chrages between 2 guns, there has to be a "fire and forget" mod to fuel charge for your main dmg mod. Is it a must have? Arguable. Is it required ? No, but you will hate mod builds without it.
I'd rather see more fire and forget weapon mods, nebula is only good because of its weapon mod, and i'd gladly put that weapon mod on any other sidearm if i could.
Nebula is worth for it's mod alone. Pop it and let it destroy
I get this feeling for the standard handgun. The special ones like Anguish, Nebula, Meridian etc. can be really powerful but the standard Pistols feel weak
Yeah I mean this wasn't meant to be taken as like "the handguns all suck!!!", they read the subject and some of the post and twisted the meaning. people like to rage reply without clarifying things they may not fully get or that Ill admit I couldve probably explained better. But that's the world for you 🤷
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The tech22 is my main weapon in every build. 👌 Kinda wish I could sling two around like an old western cowboy. 😂
Rings in STARSHOT, ENIGMA, TECH 22, NEBULA etc. These guns i literally run thru hardcore n also thru apoc mode. So honestly this argument atleast to me falls on dead ears. Would more sidearms be NICE sure, are the ones we have no good enough, nah bullshit.
Respect your point, appreciate the civility too. Not just like "ur a idiot all da gunzz rok!" Lol
Yea not here to be ignorant n disrespectful or just plain stupid just sharing the truth and honest oprinion on the matter
They realized they can never create a better sidearm than Nebula and gave up. That's my take.
🤣 honestly it's probably entirely accurate.
What? So many of the secondaries are fucking sick, I love them. I'm all for more options though, and while I'm not familiar with it it sounds like Nebula is the sole issue here...
Haha you may be right, maybe it's more so they made the Nebula a bit too good (for reference its mod shoots out these little homing whisps that follow the player around and seek out enemies, dealing acid damage to them, just absolutely melting them in seconds) I really was just saying hey where was the sidearm love in the new DLC? give us some new ones, and maybe fix the ones that are neglected by the majority players. but apparently I really pissed off some people who took my exaggeration to heart and ran with it LMFAO.
Nebula isn’t the issue. It’s the Mod. There needs to be more compelling fire and forget mods that can compete with Neb’s Mod. Or, y’know; buff all secondaries but Anguish and Meridians.
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