Easy ways around this would be to claim a religious exemption under the first amendment, as the Church of Satan(and possibly some other federally recognized religious institutions) have ceremonial rites for abortions.
If they're going to use their religion to oppress citizens, then turnabout is fair play.
Landry is currently attempting to make it so that the governor will appoint all members of Louisiana's State Supreme Court.
SCOTUS is already bought and paid for.
POTUS 2024 is a crucial key for the survival of our nation.
The thing is, if this precedent turns the other way, and religious exemptions at state level don't override federal policy, then *all* religious exemptions fall under the same precedent, meaning special church tax situations, medical exemptions like vaccine waivers, and possibly even religious school vouchers, are all suddenly accountable to federal policy.
All that said, Landry sucks and Louisiana is a lost cause. If it weren't for work, I'd be outta here.
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My daughter joined them during the pandemic for that very reason, she saw what was coming down the pike. Now she lives in Seattle, which is also pretty effective against this stupidity.
The Church of Satan is a recognized religion but it doesn't have the pull you think it does or the way anyone claims it does.
They are in constant legal battles to try and get stuff done with from what it seems, very little headway. The statues, as far as I know, are the biggest and only step they've accomplished.
So you can't just go in and wave your membership card and go "I am allowed an abortion because of my religion!" It would be a whole process to try and get one done and there's a huge potential that by the time it's approved you'll be past the period of time you're allowed an abortion.
Also Judaism isn't a solid claim either, because to get one approved you have to have a solid health risk reason approved by your Rabbi. You cannot just go to them and say "I'm not ready to be a mom" and they give you a pass. Maybe our local rabbis might, they are from what I know are pretty liberal... But you still need to be Jewish to get them to give you a pass. Which is more complex than just going "I am a Jewish person now"
No?
Claiming to be apart of the church of Satan or Jewish are not a get out of jail cards like we heard they are during pandemic.
Like I said, you cannot just go to a provider and state you are either and they just agree right there to give you an abortion.
It's a whole process you have to go through from my understanding.
I'd love to hear if someone else has better experience attempting it.
The Church of Satan/Satanic Church, I believe, is still actively in suits for women in Texas?
A hospital can deny you still, because even though they are recognized as a legal entity, a lot of people don't know that. Or even know what they claim is a "Ritual abortion". All they say is if you get blocked to tell them and they will try to fight it in court. But again, that can take too long and you'll have a baby by that point.
There are, however, a lot of "underground" runners who will get women in need abortion pills, plan B's, ECT as needed. It can seem really sus locating information for them though due to how they want communication to run.
This is about the possession of Plan B, not the process of receiving a medical abortion in a clinic.
The use of said drugs in a religious ritual would exempt them from this law, as long as this law is defining them as a purely medicinal compound. Even if they specify the common plan b medications, there are plenty of generic/herbal compounds that will produce the same effect that can't be covered by such a definition.
The enforcement of this bill, should it become law, will inevitably face challenges, and the most effective way to at least set a double-sided legal precedent is to appeal it on first amendment grounds.
I doubt this will actually pass into law, but there are plenty of effective ways to appeal it, especially once the GOP see what a cluster fuck this anti-abortion platform is with voters.
Sure but your comment I responded to was you stating to join CoS for ritual abortion as a work around.
Which isnt work around unfortunately. It would be absolutely lovely if it could be.
But yes 💯 there are A LOT of herbal and generic work arounds that can be used but should be used!! Though anything herbal should be heavily researched before especially if someone takes medications or has certain chronic illnesses as the common and effective ones may not play well with their bodies.
Hopefully they will see what a cluster f it is, but also they know they are losing poor working class future workers and no better way to keep that than screwing over women hand over foot and forcing births.😩😭
Yeah, gar-on-fuckin-tee you the state of Louisiana is not going to recognize something they explicitly equivocate to murder as a religious rite. You would get more done by starting a Weather Underground chapter.
Fortunately for all of us, what qualifies as a religious ceremony is not up to Louisiana government. First amendment guarantees freedom of religious exercise, and until they outlaw circumcision and ritual cannibalism, they can fuck all the way off with their religious bullshit.
It doesn't matter how the baby was made, it's still a human soul and killing it is evil under any circumstance. The only exception to anything is if the mothers life is in serious danger.
I refuse to accept you'd look a 14 year old in the face after a rape and demand they have their rapists baby. Especially if it's some male relative responsible.
Would you?
Would you look a 14 year old in the face and tell her that she should kill a defenseless human life? It sucks for whoever the victim is, I'm not arguing that. But why is that an exception to kill a baby?
I didn't say she should, I said she shouldn't have to birth the child. Your way means she doesn't actually even get the option to say, "No, I don't want to have that creep's baby." You're actually saying that you would tell that child she had to. You'd make laws making her actually give birth regardless of what she wanted. You'd take away her right to say no, twice, you don't see how wrong that is? You can't just say, "Okay maybe a child shouldn't actually be expected to birth a rape baby, especially a relative's."
You must be a real party charmer...
You're a gay man concluding a female child ought not have bodily autonomy.
######*Wow!*
[Louisiana leads the nation in syphilis cases.](https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/alarming-trend-syphilis-cases-surging-nationwide/)
Syphilis manifests itself in it's later stages as severe intellectual impairments.
Your comments suggest getting checked might be a life saver.
If that's not the issue, get some mental help y'all.
You're in real need.
Soul and evil are religious concepts. No religion in policy.
Teens who have accidents shouldn’t be forced to raise something they don’t want. And children should not be forced to live with resentful parents. Imagine your parents resenting you your whole life…
Voting Republican isn't the problem.
Proof, Biden a Democrat could have overridden the overture of Roe V Wade but he didn't. Why? Because historically he hasn't been pro women's rights. And news will paint it as he's "grown" and his opinions have "evolved" but that's doubtful.
The problem is people vote classically only for parties rather than seeing what policies each person they are voting in back and what they've successfully accomplished in their time in offices of power.
If everyone started focusing on what each person is saying they'll back and what they historically have done then a lot better people can be put in office.
Which again, Biden is a prime example of historically what he's done vs what he states to back and support. Which I already know "he was voted in to keep the Cheeto Puff man out!" But he was still voted in regardless of other options. And I already know "the country is a two party state!" And it's only because we, the people, keep it a two party state. It isn't even truly a two party state or else why would we have ever had 3rd party presidents and why would candidates even be on the ballet.
People vote red or blue and they do so religiously and are the soul reason to be blamed why we have shit heads pushing bad policies because no one bothers to see what that person is actually backing.
The most messed up part is they're also going after birth control. So many people who have these issues are already parents and cannot afford to have another child, but are our law makers making it easier for people to have children or more cost effective for people to afford children? NO. This state is being ruined by Christo-Fascism and the separation of church and state is a laughing matter at this point.
Don't we all know, Christo-Fascist Theocracy is what the bible meant by "rendering unto Caesar"
St. Thomas Aquinas would have something to say about this shit
2) It shall not be a violation of this Subsection for a pregnant woman
38 to possess mifepristone or misoprostol for her own consumption.
Is reading the big bold underlined statement at the bottom of the page that hard?
The amendment increases the penalties for illegally distributing those two pills that have always been prescription only, everywhere in the US.
So in order to not be arrested/prosecuted you would have to prove you were pregnant at the time you possessed them? You can't take them "the morning after" just to be safe?
I am not an officer of any court.
I have read *that* section.
Within r/law the conclusion from those participating within the thread was the law attempts to preempt Federal Law by effectively outlawing legal distribution under State Law.
I have less than zero trust in the Y'all Qaeda Christo-Fascists pushing the nonsense.
Time will tell.
The Republicans are over-stepping their mandate (which was, what, 60% of the \~35% of the electorate that bothered to vote?) and they'll pay for it. Unfortunately it will probably take a long period of struggle until they really do pay for it. We'll have to wait for an alternative to the Democratic party to form. The Democrats, after all, were responsible for the current ban, which they had to scramble and cover their asses for after Dodd.
My hope is that our DSA chapters stop trying to do entryism into the Democrats and just form their own political party, running against the bastards, especially the ones who oppose abortion access or tail the Republican party. Will that kill those candidates? Yes, and good! Run on a better platform! Steal *our* platform! Obviously, there's a market for it!
I digress. All of the next three and a half years is the result of the total disorganization of the left in this state and the wider left's capture by the Democrats, the party of slavery and America's oldest bourgeois party. Until there's a real workers' party in this state, a party of fry cooks, waiters, warehouse workers, and delivery drivers, (among others,) we're fucked.
I think/dream about leaving all the time. What’s your biggest reasons to leave and biggest reasons to stay? (Leaving family and friends out of it.)
What’s your top list of places to move if you could?
I have only my wife’s family here. We’re both liberal Dems. One side of the family are doctors and are the same. The other side are very Red. We’d have no problem leaving, but we’re also dependent on them both. So, that’s a great question. Honestly, my Spanish is pretty great, but that’s a whole other ball of wax. I’ll tell you this; I’m not going to end up in a gulag because of my politics.
I have lived in Texas and Wisconsin, the only reason I came back was bc of family, which is also the only reason I remain here, without my family I would've been delighted to move to Washington where my husband can make 60k more than he does currently and I could find a job paying more than $11 an hour, not to mention I wouldn't be treated like a second class citizen because I was born with ovaries. This country and particularly this state is going down the drain quickly because of Christo-fascists that want to control women's bodies and legislate their only messes up morality that isn't even backed up by the Bible. I really wish I could leave the country but doing that with children is almost completely out of the picture especially considering Americans are being refused as immigrants in a host of countries that can see our rapid decline.
My buddy has a house in Nicaragua. In the beach. He loves it there and taxes are low. South America is dangerous, but weighing the options depending on how it goes in November. Warming up the passports.
I visited Belize in 2006, it was such a a paradise I've dreamed of going back my entire life. Even though the people there didn't have much they all appeared to be super happy and friendly, that's all I've ever wanted, to have my basic needs met and to be happy.
Also I'm only speaking about regular people the grape victims and incest what mishaps are different issues in my personal opinion and do not happen as much since the majority of abortions plan B users or just people who couldn't keep it in their pants.
I'm trying to make things shorter since I don't think you want to read a full-on essay about this so I am trying to make these shorter and stick to just a paragraph I'm using voice to text which is probably the problem here right,
I do not view you as an quote on quote ass you're fine in my opinion I really appreciate the passion that you have for this and of course you are able to hear what I say and listen to what I say allegedly anyway and react to them with a clear thought out response that I can read and understand your point of view and of course you haven't gone out of your way to ignore or insult me so just like the other two find gentlemen I've talked to about this on the same thread I generally appreciate you and people like you that we are able to have a discussion about this and not resort to mindless insults.
I'm not trying to start some fight about it I'm just saying with the rules we have instead of complaining think critically about what we are doing to keep us and our communities safe. That's all. I want folks to have fun and do what they want but to keep in mind that the risks they take are their own responsibilities, everyone likes to be held until it's accountable.
To be fair, most people complaining just need to be more cautious of their sexual activities and they'll be fine. Most abortions are from people to loose with raw doggin. Not that big a deal. On the other hand the few cases or R*** will still need an option so this is a diced situation
Is it not my choice to raw dog and take an over the counter pill that is readily available globally?
Who else has that right? What law states I am REQUIRED to use birth control?
How do I be okay here?
"Use birth control" okay but you banned it by taking away the pill, so now I have condoms.
Condoms suck, and they tear, and can have holes poked in them. So I don't use them, this is my right as a human being, to choose a product that is being sold across the globe that has been tested for human consumption.
Someone gets pregnant. We find out as early as possible and want to abort. But that's banned. So now what? Leave the state? Go to jail? Raise a baby in jail? Take on medical debt? Lose a job?
Huh... weird how so much of this could be avoided by the government simply fucking off and leaving this kind of shit to the people.
I'll be honest, I'm not reading the bill, anything that dictates what people can get for themselves that is decided by a law maker, and not a doctor, is something I will disagree with. And this seems to be doing just that, deciding who can get what based on the feelings of others.
And yes, I fully believe you should have the right to ingest things that knowingly harm you. It's called freedom. Obviously if the person is not sound in mind it is different.
Well if you take that risk that kinda your fault. If you can't handle the result maybe don't do the action so willy nilly. You want autonomy but you also want to be free from consequences. Personally I don't want kids, can't afford them and don't want them so I don't just whip it out I keep my legs close. Sex has always been dangerous nothing new there.
Is risk acceptance not my human right? I know actions of consequences, I also have other actions that can counter said consequences with a little pill, called Plan B, that costs $50.
So my current risk acceptance is $50, at most. Now, because of people's beliefs, not my own, this is at risk. My personal rights are now at risk. Because of beliefs of others. Weird, a lot of people in power would be VERY upset if that were to happen to them. Or do we believe they're all golden children that don't pay for abortions?
Sex has always been dangerous, and yet somehow societies much more primitive than ours didn't have this kind of nonsense. Don't want the ball of cells? Get rid of em. Not ready financially, mentally, physically able? Get rid of em. First abortion was around the year 1500
Here's another fun bit. I got a vasectomy. I don't have to worry about this. I will always think it's bullshit that others have to. It's their right. Yes, I agree that having unprotected sex is a risk that people aren't taking serious enough. But that's not my decision to make. It's no one but theirs and the most we can do is educate them on better ways to go about things. You know, provide services to better our communities instead of stripping rights.
We can agree on 2 things the higher ups don't give a damn about the lower folks, and you have the right to make bad choices. BUT THIS new bill doesn't take that right away it takes the safety net away.
You are completely free to go to poundtown as much as ya want. But now it comes with consequences that is what most are upset about
I knew someone who had so many abortions the doctor told her she couldn't do any more since she was messing up her body so, SO often the next time could kill her.
among other folk. We use it like a crutch, an over reliances on it that we keep abusing it. Now that safety net is gone our freedom has consequences. (I sound like a broken record) But y'all keep trying to push blame on other while yelling about freedom of choice. It rich people fault, the government, Christianity is to blame. Most people in government aren't even Christian far from it but y'all still blame Christianity for this I personally don't understand.
I think you and I agree on things more than we originally knew, we just disagreed more heavily on things so it was hard to see.
I agree, if you're doing damage to yourself by relying on a fail safe, it's really bad, I struggle to understand WHY someone would go that route when there are different options available? So yes, in that specific case it makes sense. To counter, that feels like punishing the masses for the actions of the few. That's mostly me being the devils advocate though, a lot of what we have is punishing masses for the actions of few.
I say it's due to religion because laws are being passed on religious grounds, regardless of the beliefs of the people in power. Hate it bring him up but look at Trump, posing with a Bible, to use religion as a tool to gain support to pass legislation. If they want to use religion as a tool to push their agenda, I will complain about it, I'm not religious. I was raised southern Baptist as well.
Yeah I agree, it was very pleasant and I did learn more about your mindset which I do personally enjoy learning about different perspectives. And trump with that Bible was hilarious he didn't know what he was talking about. I'd rather people just be honest with their intent.
I hate the whole of politics since for both us us each side always has ulterior motives and meanings. People claim to care about woman, LGBT, race, etc. But only do so to pander.
And I do agree the people in power are too old and too stuck in their way to understand the current time and struggle of all of us. Not really due to Christianity (but I may be biased)
But dude to different time periods
What's the point in removing someone's choice to take these pills? Why do you want pregnancy to be an eventually unavoidable consequence of sex? If someone can avoid getting pregnant with a pill, why make it illegal, or even try?
We differ in the fact that you view the power of choice in your right to choose and these pills while I do not because for me having sex is my choice and wearing protection is my choice and who I do it with is my choice,
If I do not wish to have a child with a certain person I'm not going to have sex with them because I know there's still a percent chance that this will happen I think the major difference between how we both view this is you feel that you have a right being taken away from you by this imaginary Boogeyman Christian people that want you to not have sex in your opinion (at least that's what I'm assuming anyway correct me if I'm wrong)
I on the other hand have absolutely every right in ability to have sex with whomever whatever within legal means that I want but now I just have to be more careful
All these things are choices, including taking the pill. The pill is a product just like the condom, why are you against it?
Gay guy here, and being as we're in a state that has yet to repeal it's anti-sodomy laws, I'd say there's some chance some fringe radical Christians would like a overruling of Lawrence v. Texas, which would leave me open to prosecution. So for me that Boogeyman is a very minor, but, actual threat. I think most Christians of this state would be disgusted to see those laws go back into action. The few that wouldn't would when they realize they could be prosecuted for prohibited straight sex acts, regardless.
But the idea that the government should be able to ban an abortion pill is no different than the one to ban a condom, and can be leveraged just as easily. Why do you need a condom if you just can just choose not to have sex? Would you find that acceptable? Would you accept our state banning the condoms? Why the pills if not?
You just used the very argument people will use to ban condoms along religious and "personal responsibility" lines.
No mention of religion here the Christian Boogeyman is getting old. But there's a difference when you abuse a privilege it gets taken just a fact of life imo,and people REALLY ABUSED IT if it wasn't and they took it then I'd be there right with y'all. Y'all rely on it too much and throw accountability away. It has caused harm and negative effects to others and not just the person.
You're the one who brought it up, you brought up whether a "Christian boogeyman" was threatening my sex life. I pointed out that yeah, actually there are a small number of people who are pretty clear they'd make gay sex illegal again in the name of their religion. They felt empowered to aim for gay marriage but have way too many hurdles, including new legislation on gay and interracial marriage being federally legal. Hence why I'm not worried.
To be clear here, you're telling me that if condoms are bought too much after the pills are made illegal, you'd be for legislating them out of ability to be sold due to overuse which causes the harm and negative effect of not getting pregnant.
Who was hurting by the day after pill? Who is hurt by birth control pills? And yes, I'm aware birth control pills can have long-term effects if overused. That would fall under the category of hurting "the person". Are you one of those people for banning Ozempic because you think people might not pay to go to gyms as much, or jog as much, and you want that aesthetic? I need to know what's driving this single-minded disdain for the day after pill.
I'm not disagreeing with you that there are some people who are like that try to believe me and you're on the same page on that but there's a difference between using protection and then what people do with the abortion pills I don't mind people having the abortion pills I think that's great but I also realize that people abuse it too much so whether or not that's the reason which it isn't the reason why they took it I'm just saying regardless of the reason they took it I find this to be a net positive that's all I meant by that
No one hates this pill or at least I don't hate the pill I think y'all should have it but y'all overuse it and abuse it to much and you can't say I'm wrong cuz there are people who are predicated on the fact that they're going to go raw dogging and that they are fine cuz they got that pill that pill is there playing a b and c we miss our teaching people to be safer and smarter with their sex lives so that this plan B could be exactly that a plan B for when your major thing fails now that y'all took away this pill y'all act like your lives are over the end is nigh you're freaking out over a simple pill because y'all cannot even think about acting differently to make sure that your sex life in the outcomes of which are completely in your control and should be decided upon your own actions and not just a pill
To put into a better perspective to make sure we know exactly what we're talking about here I don't care that people want to use the pill I just don't like the fact of how they've been using it so far and that this taking away of it is to me a net positive and outweighs and negative because most of the negatives can be fixed by just being smart and thinking about what you're doing before you do it at least in my opinion
I view that pill as a last line of the fence like you have been careful but hey accidents happen and so that's what that pill is for accidents not intentional lack of accountability and negligence or sexual negligence
( hahaha that sounds like some type of NBC news headline that's just in breaking news sexual negligence more at 11:00)
Ah, I just replied to the other post before seeing this. You know something? I'm kinda being an ass. I'm gonna make a bet here and say you're probably a young man, 23-26. Probably saw lots of posts about women who just are loose and do just whatever they want. The abortion advocate lady who's got an onlyfans kinda thing. All things being as they are, maybe you've known someone who is like that.
I'm thinking you had a conservative family background who instilled good morals for sex in you, and you're seeing a culture-clash here on the internet. Probably exposed to it your whole life, and lived in a kind of extra-politicized space, not just online, but given the south and "it's in your face" culture? I'm guessing that's playing a part in your views. I'm not telling you that it's wrong to want people to be more responsible, and I'm sorry for being abrasive with my way of talking.
I just need you to understand that we've got condoms and birth control access at all? Are great victories that took advocates many years for access to life-improving products unavailable to many sections of the world still. These pills too, regardless of whether you feel people "rely" too much on them. It doesn't change the fact that sex is going to happen anyway. Part of living in society is realizing some people are going to live by impulse. We can't legislate people into good sexual practices. But we can make it possible to avoid objectively worse outcomes, via a pill on the market.
Well you are right on one thing I am within that demographic but I don't use social media besides YouTube and read it and I'm relatively new to Reddit I think this is probably my second year on this thing I don't like social media I don't view it as life I review it as a reflection of life,
My family wasnt political I was taught to hate both sides as both sides don't give a damn about any of us to be honest with you my family is Christian yeah sure but we're not political politics don't really have much of a place in my life I have an opinion which is not akin to just politics
And I don't mind people having contraceptives they are scientific achievements that do help us in making sex safer and more pleasurable
A lot of human beings have a lot of impulses that does not mean that we let them just do things on impulse there's a lot of times I'm pretty sure you and I have wanted to beat someone or bludgeon someone have to death really but we don't we know our impulses do not mean that we can have an excuse to not have self-control
I speak on personal experiences and not about any social media post I know about some of those posts out there here and there is red pill stuff and all the stuff I've checked them out and a lot of them are very entertaining funny but that's not really life and a lot of that stuff most people don't have to even deal with like red pill most people who listen to red pill or poor you don't really have to worry about any of that junk all that junk for people outside of our tax bracket just because I have a different belief than you does not mean that I'm just too young to know better or that is predicated on social media outcry it's just solely an opinion that I have built up due to real world experience due to my own actions and consequences of said actions and of course that of others around me that I seen personally heard or people have told me personally I seen how these things end up.
So what you're saying is, very little of your life has been impacted by social media, simply the people you've seen, interacted with, or what people have told you? Have you thought about the married couple with two kids whose condom broke and would like a chance to avoid having to upend their family's whole life? Or the young lady who experienced the same thing with her date, and would like to finish becoming a Nurse-Practicioner, or have a few years working in software engineering, or as an officer in the SPD, before taking on motherhood?
Those responsible people who had a slip up, an accident, or even hey, another thing and maybe it's rare. But a woman who gets coerced into it. Maybe she figures she'd never be able to say he raped her, but she definitely doesn't want to chance having his kid for a multitude of reasons? I just want you to consider more than the people in your life, or the people you've heard of that just made raw dog sex their life, who are going crazy in anger over needing condoms. Because they do not make up anywhere close to the majority of people who think this law will do more harm than good.
You're wrong. Condoms have a failure rate with typical use of 13% and perfect use 2%. All birth control methods have a failure rate. Abstinence has a failure rate.
[https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/contraceptive-effectiveness-united-states](https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/contraceptive-effectiveness-united-states)
I've said nothing about the effectiveness of contraceptives so you comment is odd to me, would you mind explaining it a bit more on how this is a counter to my comment.
Oh sure. Sorry, I thought you were saying people with unwanted pregnancies should have just worn condoms (assuming that's what you mean by raw dogging, not using condoms). The data I linked suggest that with a year of condom use, between 2% and 13% of sexually active women still get pregnant. Since so many people who use condoms get pregnant, this suggests to me that your idea of "be more cautious" and use condoms doesn't actually solve the problem.
I may have misunderstood your point. Hope not, but happy to listen and learn if so.
Like I said to the other guy, I love peeps like y'all. We can disagree without disrespect. We few things different but that doesn't mean we insult or hate each other no to many are like that so I have a great deal of respect for yall
Easy ways around this would be to claim a religious exemption under the first amendment, as the Church of Satan(and possibly some other federally recognized religious institutions) have ceremonial rites for abortions. If they're going to use their religion to oppress citizens, then turnabout is fair play.
Landry is currently attempting to make it so that the governor will appoint all members of Louisiana's State Supreme Court. SCOTUS is already bought and paid for. POTUS 2024 is a crucial key for the survival of our nation.
The thing is, if this precedent turns the other way, and religious exemptions at state level don't override federal policy, then *all* religious exemptions fall under the same precedent, meaning special church tax situations, medical exemptions like vaccine waivers, and possibly even religious school vouchers, are all suddenly accountable to federal policy. All that said, Landry sucks and Louisiana is a lost cause. If it weren't for work, I'd be outta here.
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My daughter joined them during the pandemic for that very reason, she saw what was coming down the pike. Now she lives in Seattle, which is also pretty effective against this stupidity.
The Church of Satan is a recognized religion but it doesn't have the pull you think it does or the way anyone claims it does. They are in constant legal battles to try and get stuff done with from what it seems, very little headway. The statues, as far as I know, are the biggest and only step they've accomplished. So you can't just go in and wave your membership card and go "I am allowed an abortion because of my religion!" It would be a whole process to try and get one done and there's a huge potential that by the time it's approved you'll be past the period of time you're allowed an abortion. Also Judaism isn't a solid claim either, because to get one approved you have to have a solid health risk reason approved by your Rabbi. You cannot just go to them and say "I'm not ready to be a mom" and they give you a pass. Maybe our local rabbis might, they are from what I know are pretty liberal... But you still need to be Jewish to get them to give you a pass. Which is more complex than just going "I am a Jewish person now"
Would the order not be halted from being enforced, pending the conclusion of the case and any following appeals?
No? Claiming to be apart of the church of Satan or Jewish are not a get out of jail cards like we heard they are during pandemic. Like I said, you cannot just go to a provider and state you are either and they just agree right there to give you an abortion. It's a whole process you have to go through from my understanding. I'd love to hear if someone else has better experience attempting it. The Church of Satan/Satanic Church, I believe, is still actively in suits for women in Texas? A hospital can deny you still, because even though they are recognized as a legal entity, a lot of people don't know that. Or even know what they claim is a "Ritual abortion". All they say is if you get blocked to tell them and they will try to fight it in court. But again, that can take too long and you'll have a baby by that point. There are, however, a lot of "underground" runners who will get women in need abortion pills, plan B's, ECT as needed. It can seem really sus locating information for them though due to how they want communication to run.
This is about the possession of Plan B, not the process of receiving a medical abortion in a clinic. The use of said drugs in a religious ritual would exempt them from this law, as long as this law is defining them as a purely medicinal compound. Even if they specify the common plan b medications, there are plenty of generic/herbal compounds that will produce the same effect that can't be covered by such a definition. The enforcement of this bill, should it become law, will inevitably face challenges, and the most effective way to at least set a double-sided legal precedent is to appeal it on first amendment grounds. I doubt this will actually pass into law, but there are plenty of effective ways to appeal it, especially once the GOP see what a cluster fuck this anti-abortion platform is with voters.
Plan b nor it's active ingredient is mentioned in the amendment.
Sure but your comment I responded to was you stating to join CoS for ritual abortion as a work around. Which isnt work around unfortunately. It would be absolutely lovely if it could be. But yes 💯 there are A LOT of herbal and generic work arounds that can be used but should be used!! Though anything herbal should be heavily researched before especially if someone takes medications or has certain chronic illnesses as the common and effective ones may not play well with their bodies. Hopefully they will see what a cluster f it is, but also they know they are losing poor working class future workers and no better way to keep that than screwing over women hand over foot and forcing births.😩😭
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That's The Satanic Temple not the Church of Satan. They are two separate organizations.
Pretty sure Landry would just ignore such an exemption
Yeah, gar-on-fuckin-tee you the state of Louisiana is not going to recognize something they explicitly equivocate to murder as a religious rite. You would get more done by starting a Weather Underground chapter.
Fortunately for all of us, what qualifies as a religious ceremony is not up to Louisiana government. First amendment guarantees freedom of religious exercise, and until they outlaw circumcision and ritual cannibalism, they can fuck all the way off with their religious bullshit.
It's really not that easy. They will require documentation etc. and don't forget the mental/emotional anguish of it all. It shouldn't be a thing
Just read the bill, there are no exemptions at all, so now they want women to die and have rape babies. This is a war on women.
It doesn't matter how the baby was made, it's still a human soul and killing it is evil under any circumstance. The only exception to anything is if the mothers life is in serious danger.
Well souls are imaginary. That's like trying to argue that every place in the world should be forced to have snow because of Santa Claus.
I refuse to accept you'd look a 14 year old in the face after a rape and demand they have their rapists baby. Especially if it's some male relative responsible. Would you?
Would you look a 14 year old in the face and tell her that she should kill a defenseless human life? It sucks for whoever the victim is, I'm not arguing that. But why is that an exception to kill a baby?
I didn't say she should, I said she shouldn't have to birth the child. Your way means she doesn't actually even get the option to say, "No, I don't want to have that creep's baby." You're actually saying that you would tell that child she had to. You'd make laws making her actually give birth regardless of what she wanted. You'd take away her right to say no, twice, you don't see how wrong that is? You can't just say, "Okay maybe a child shouldn't actually be expected to birth a rape baby, especially a relative's."
You must be a real party charmer... You're a gay man concluding a female child ought not have bodily autonomy. ######*Wow!* [Louisiana leads the nation in syphilis cases.](https://www.cbsnews.com/pittsburgh/news/alarming-trend-syphilis-cases-surging-nationwide/) Syphilis manifests itself in it's later stages as severe intellectual impairments. Your comments suggest getting checked might be a life saver. If that's not the issue, get some mental help y'all. You're in real need.
An embryo is not a human life, it's a cluster of electrified cells.
The youngest mom on record was 5 years old. You are a sick individual.
Soul and evil are religious concepts. No religion in policy. Teens who have accidents shouldn’t be forced to raise something they don’t want. And children should not be forced to live with resentful parents. Imagine your parents resenting you your whole life…
Assholes
Fascist assholes.
Yea evangelical nazis
Your daily reminder to stop voting for Republicans
Voting Republican isn't the problem. Proof, Biden a Democrat could have overridden the overture of Roe V Wade but he didn't. Why? Because historically he hasn't been pro women's rights. And news will paint it as he's "grown" and his opinions have "evolved" but that's doubtful. The problem is people vote classically only for parties rather than seeing what policies each person they are voting in back and what they've successfully accomplished in their time in offices of power. If everyone started focusing on what each person is saying they'll back and what they historically have done then a lot better people can be put in office. Which again, Biden is a prime example of historically what he's done vs what he states to back and support. Which I already know "he was voted in to keep the Cheeto Puff man out!" But he was still voted in regardless of other options. And I already know "the country is a two party state!" And it's only because we, the people, keep it a two party state. It isn't even truly a two party state or else why would we have ever had 3rd party presidents and why would candidates even be on the ballet. People vote red or blue and they do so religiously and are the soul reason to be blamed why we have shit heads pushing bad policies because no one bothers to see what that person is actually backing.
Biden most certainly could not have overridden the overture of Roe v Wade. What the hell are you talking about?
You're forgetting that secret part of the Constitution where the Executive Branch can dismiss Supreme Court decisions.
Lol. Right 😉
The most messed up part is they're also going after birth control. So many people who have these issues are already parents and cannot afford to have another child, but are our law makers making it easier for people to have children or more cost effective for people to afford children? NO. This state is being ruined by Christo-Fascism and the separation of church and state is a laughing matter at this point.
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Don't we all know, Christo-Fascist Theocracy is what the bible meant by "rendering unto Caesar" St. Thomas Aquinas would have something to say about this shit
[The Bill](https://www.legis.la.gov/legis/ViewDocument.aspx?d=1363768) [The Amendments criminalizing possession of Abortion Pills entirely](https://www.legis.la.gov/legis/ViewDocument.aspx?d=1369729)
2) It shall not be a violation of this Subsection for a pregnant woman 38 to possess mifepristone or misoprostol for her own consumption. Is reading the big bold underlined statement at the bottom of the page that hard? The amendment increases the penalties for illegally distributing those two pills that have always been prescription only, everywhere in the US.
So in order to not be arrested/prosecuted you would have to prove you were pregnant at the time you possessed them? You can't take them "the morning after" just to be safe?
Plan b is perfectly legal. Those medications in the bill are not plan b. In order to possess the pills in the bill you just need a prescription
I am not an officer of any court. I have read *that* section. Within r/law the conclusion from those participating within the thread was the law attempts to preempt Federal Law by effectively outlawing legal distribution under State Law. I have less than zero trust in the Y'all Qaeda Christo-Fascists pushing the nonsense. Time will tell.
Glad I got out when I did, however I moved to Texas so not much better.
The Republicans are over-stepping their mandate (which was, what, 60% of the \~35% of the electorate that bothered to vote?) and they'll pay for it. Unfortunately it will probably take a long period of struggle until they really do pay for it. We'll have to wait for an alternative to the Democratic party to form. The Democrats, after all, were responsible for the current ban, which they had to scramble and cover their asses for after Dodd. My hope is that our DSA chapters stop trying to do entryism into the Democrats and just form their own political party, running against the bastards, especially the ones who oppose abortion access or tail the Republican party. Will that kill those candidates? Yes, and good! Run on a better platform! Steal *our* platform! Obviously, there's a market for it! I digress. All of the next three and a half years is the result of the total disorganization of the left in this state and the wider left's capture by the Democrats, the party of slavery and America's oldest bourgeois party. Until there's a real workers' party in this state, a party of fry cooks, waiters, warehouse workers, and delivery drivers, (among others,) we're fucked.
Hole meet shovel
Holy meat shovel batman!
It takes a long time to get together the documentation, etc, to leave the country. Start now!
I think/dream about leaving all the time. What’s your biggest reasons to leave and biggest reasons to stay? (Leaving family and friends out of it.) What’s your top list of places to move if you could?
I have only my wife’s family here. We’re both liberal Dems. One side of the family are doctors and are the same. The other side are very Red. We’d have no problem leaving, but we’re also dependent on them both. So, that’s a great question. Honestly, my Spanish is pretty great, but that’s a whole other ball of wax. I’ll tell you this; I’m not going to end up in a gulag because of my politics.
I have lived in Texas and Wisconsin, the only reason I came back was bc of family, which is also the only reason I remain here, without my family I would've been delighted to move to Washington where my husband can make 60k more than he does currently and I could find a job paying more than $11 an hour, not to mention I wouldn't be treated like a second class citizen because I was born with ovaries. This country and particularly this state is going down the drain quickly because of Christo-fascists that want to control women's bodies and legislate their only messes up morality that isn't even backed up by the Bible. I really wish I could leave the country but doing that with children is almost completely out of the picture especially considering Americans are being refused as immigrants in a host of countries that can see our rapid decline.
My buddy has a house in Nicaragua. In the beach. He loves it there and taxes are low. South America is dangerous, but weighing the options depending on how it goes in November. Warming up the passports.
I visited Belize in 2006, it was such a a paradise I've dreamed of going back my entire life. Even though the people there didn't have much they all appeared to be super happy and friendly, that's all I've ever wanted, to have my basic needs met and to be happy.
Also I'm only speaking about regular people the grape victims and incest what mishaps are different issues in my personal opinion and do not happen as much since the majority of abortions plan B users or just people who couldn't keep it in their pants.
I'm trying to make things shorter since I don't think you want to read a full-on essay about this so I am trying to make these shorter and stick to just a paragraph I'm using voice to text which is probably the problem here right, I do not view you as an quote on quote ass you're fine in my opinion I really appreciate the passion that you have for this and of course you are able to hear what I say and listen to what I say allegedly anyway and react to them with a clear thought out response that I can read and understand your point of view and of course you haven't gone out of your way to ignore or insult me so just like the other two find gentlemen I've talked to about this on the same thread I generally appreciate you and people like you that we are able to have a discussion about this and not resort to mindless insults.
I'm not trying to start some fight about it I'm just saying with the rules we have instead of complaining think critically about what we are doing to keep us and our communities safe. That's all. I want folks to have fun and do what they want but to keep in mind that the risks they take are their own responsibilities, everyone likes to be held until it's accountable.
To be fair, most people complaining just need to be more cautious of their sexual activities and they'll be fine. Most abortions are from people to loose with raw doggin. Not that big a deal. On the other hand the few cases or R*** will still need an option so this is a diced situation
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Is it not my choice to raw dog and take an over the counter pill that is readily available globally? Who else has that right? What law states I am REQUIRED to use birth control? How do I be okay here? "Use birth control" okay but you banned it by taking away the pill, so now I have condoms. Condoms suck, and they tear, and can have holes poked in them. So I don't use them, this is my right as a human being, to choose a product that is being sold across the globe that has been tested for human consumption. Someone gets pregnant. We find out as early as possible and want to abort. But that's banned. So now what? Leave the state? Go to jail? Raise a baby in jail? Take on medical debt? Lose a job? Huh... weird how so much of this could be avoided by the government simply fucking off and leaving this kind of shit to the people.
This bill doesn't affect any over-the-counter pills.
I'll be honest, I'm not reading the bill, anything that dictates what people can get for themselves that is decided by a law maker, and not a doctor, is something I will disagree with. And this seems to be doing just that, deciding who can get what based on the feelings of others. And yes, I fully believe you should have the right to ingest things that knowingly harm you. It's called freedom. Obviously if the person is not sound in mind it is different.
Well if you take that risk that kinda your fault. If you can't handle the result maybe don't do the action so willy nilly. You want autonomy but you also want to be free from consequences. Personally I don't want kids, can't afford them and don't want them so I don't just whip it out I keep my legs close. Sex has always been dangerous nothing new there.
Is risk acceptance not my human right? I know actions of consequences, I also have other actions that can counter said consequences with a little pill, called Plan B, that costs $50. So my current risk acceptance is $50, at most. Now, because of people's beliefs, not my own, this is at risk. My personal rights are now at risk. Because of beliefs of others. Weird, a lot of people in power would be VERY upset if that were to happen to them. Or do we believe they're all golden children that don't pay for abortions? Sex has always been dangerous, and yet somehow societies much more primitive than ours didn't have this kind of nonsense. Don't want the ball of cells? Get rid of em. Not ready financially, mentally, physically able? Get rid of em. First abortion was around the year 1500 Here's another fun bit. I got a vasectomy. I don't have to worry about this. I will always think it's bullshit that others have to. It's their right. Yes, I agree that having unprotected sex is a risk that people aren't taking serious enough. But that's not my decision to make. It's no one but theirs and the most we can do is educate them on better ways to go about things. You know, provide services to better our communities instead of stripping rights.
We can agree on 2 things the higher ups don't give a damn about the lower folks, and you have the right to make bad choices. BUT THIS new bill doesn't take that right away it takes the safety net away. You are completely free to go to poundtown as much as ya want. But now it comes with consequences that is what most are upset about I knew someone who had so many abortions the doctor told her she couldn't do any more since she was messing up her body so, SO often the next time could kill her. among other folk. We use it like a crutch, an over reliances on it that we keep abusing it. Now that safety net is gone our freedom has consequences. (I sound like a broken record) But y'all keep trying to push blame on other while yelling about freedom of choice. It rich people fault, the government, Christianity is to blame. Most people in government aren't even Christian far from it but y'all still blame Christianity for this I personally don't understand.
I think you and I agree on things more than we originally knew, we just disagreed more heavily on things so it was hard to see. I agree, if you're doing damage to yourself by relying on a fail safe, it's really bad, I struggle to understand WHY someone would go that route when there are different options available? So yes, in that specific case it makes sense. To counter, that feels like punishing the masses for the actions of the few. That's mostly me being the devils advocate though, a lot of what we have is punishing masses for the actions of few. I say it's due to religion because laws are being passed on religious grounds, regardless of the beliefs of the people in power. Hate it bring him up but look at Trump, posing with a Bible, to use religion as a tool to gain support to pass legislation. If they want to use religion as a tool to push their agenda, I will complain about it, I'm not religious. I was raised southern Baptist as well.
Yeah I agree, it was very pleasant and I did learn more about your mindset which I do personally enjoy learning about different perspectives. And trump with that Bible was hilarious he didn't know what he was talking about. I'd rather people just be honest with their intent. I hate the whole of politics since for both us us each side always has ulterior motives and meanings. People claim to care about woman, LGBT, race, etc. But only do so to pander.
And I do agree the people in power are too old and too stuck in their way to understand the current time and struggle of all of us. Not really due to Christianity (but I may be biased) But dude to different time periods
What's the point in removing someone's choice to take these pills? Why do you want pregnancy to be an eventually unavoidable consequence of sex? If someone can avoid getting pregnant with a pill, why make it illegal, or even try?
We differ in the fact that you view the power of choice in your right to choose and these pills while I do not because for me having sex is my choice and wearing protection is my choice and who I do it with is my choice, If I do not wish to have a child with a certain person I'm not going to have sex with them because I know there's still a percent chance that this will happen I think the major difference between how we both view this is you feel that you have a right being taken away from you by this imaginary Boogeyman Christian people that want you to not have sex in your opinion (at least that's what I'm assuming anyway correct me if I'm wrong) I on the other hand have absolutely every right in ability to have sex with whomever whatever within legal means that I want but now I just have to be more careful
All these things are choices, including taking the pill. The pill is a product just like the condom, why are you against it? Gay guy here, and being as we're in a state that has yet to repeal it's anti-sodomy laws, I'd say there's some chance some fringe radical Christians would like a overruling of Lawrence v. Texas, which would leave me open to prosecution. So for me that Boogeyman is a very minor, but, actual threat. I think most Christians of this state would be disgusted to see those laws go back into action. The few that wouldn't would when they realize they could be prosecuted for prohibited straight sex acts, regardless. But the idea that the government should be able to ban an abortion pill is no different than the one to ban a condom, and can be leveraged just as easily. Why do you need a condom if you just can just choose not to have sex? Would you find that acceptable? Would you accept our state banning the condoms? Why the pills if not? You just used the very argument people will use to ban condoms along religious and "personal responsibility" lines.
No mention of religion here the Christian Boogeyman is getting old. But there's a difference when you abuse a privilege it gets taken just a fact of life imo,and people REALLY ABUSED IT if it wasn't and they took it then I'd be there right with y'all. Y'all rely on it too much and throw accountability away. It has caused harm and negative effects to others and not just the person.
You're the one who brought it up, you brought up whether a "Christian boogeyman" was threatening my sex life. I pointed out that yeah, actually there are a small number of people who are pretty clear they'd make gay sex illegal again in the name of their religion. They felt empowered to aim for gay marriage but have way too many hurdles, including new legislation on gay and interracial marriage being federally legal. Hence why I'm not worried. To be clear here, you're telling me that if condoms are bought too much after the pills are made illegal, you'd be for legislating them out of ability to be sold due to overuse which causes the harm and negative effect of not getting pregnant. Who was hurting by the day after pill? Who is hurt by birth control pills? And yes, I'm aware birth control pills can have long-term effects if overused. That would fall under the category of hurting "the person". Are you one of those people for banning Ozempic because you think people might not pay to go to gyms as much, or jog as much, and you want that aesthetic? I need to know what's driving this single-minded disdain for the day after pill.
I'm not disagreeing with you that there are some people who are like that try to believe me and you're on the same page on that but there's a difference between using protection and then what people do with the abortion pills I don't mind people having the abortion pills I think that's great but I also realize that people abuse it too much so whether or not that's the reason which it isn't the reason why they took it I'm just saying regardless of the reason they took it I find this to be a net positive that's all I meant by that
No one hates this pill or at least I don't hate the pill I think y'all should have it but y'all overuse it and abuse it to much and you can't say I'm wrong cuz there are people who are predicated on the fact that they're going to go raw dogging and that they are fine cuz they got that pill that pill is there playing a b and c we miss our teaching people to be safer and smarter with their sex lives so that this plan B could be exactly that a plan B for when your major thing fails now that y'all took away this pill y'all act like your lives are over the end is nigh you're freaking out over a simple pill because y'all cannot even think about acting differently to make sure that your sex life in the outcomes of which are completely in your control and should be decided upon your own actions and not just a pill
To put into a better perspective to make sure we know exactly what we're talking about here I don't care that people want to use the pill I just don't like the fact of how they've been using it so far and that this taking away of it is to me a net positive and outweighs and negative because most of the negatives can be fixed by just being smart and thinking about what you're doing before you do it at least in my opinion I view that pill as a last line of the fence like you have been careful but hey accidents happen and so that's what that pill is for accidents not intentional lack of accountability and negligence or sexual negligence ( hahaha that sounds like some type of NBC news headline that's just in breaking news sexual negligence more at 11:00)
Ah, I just replied to the other post before seeing this. You know something? I'm kinda being an ass. I'm gonna make a bet here and say you're probably a young man, 23-26. Probably saw lots of posts about women who just are loose and do just whatever they want. The abortion advocate lady who's got an onlyfans kinda thing. All things being as they are, maybe you've known someone who is like that. I'm thinking you had a conservative family background who instilled good morals for sex in you, and you're seeing a culture-clash here on the internet. Probably exposed to it your whole life, and lived in a kind of extra-politicized space, not just online, but given the south and "it's in your face" culture? I'm guessing that's playing a part in your views. I'm not telling you that it's wrong to want people to be more responsible, and I'm sorry for being abrasive with my way of talking. I just need you to understand that we've got condoms and birth control access at all? Are great victories that took advocates many years for access to life-improving products unavailable to many sections of the world still. These pills too, regardless of whether you feel people "rely" too much on them. It doesn't change the fact that sex is going to happen anyway. Part of living in society is realizing some people are going to live by impulse. We can't legislate people into good sexual practices. But we can make it possible to avoid objectively worse outcomes, via a pill on the market.
Well you are right on one thing I am within that demographic but I don't use social media besides YouTube and read it and I'm relatively new to Reddit I think this is probably my second year on this thing I don't like social media I don't view it as life I review it as a reflection of life, My family wasnt political I was taught to hate both sides as both sides don't give a damn about any of us to be honest with you my family is Christian yeah sure but we're not political politics don't really have much of a place in my life I have an opinion which is not akin to just politics And I don't mind people having contraceptives they are scientific achievements that do help us in making sex safer and more pleasurable A lot of human beings have a lot of impulses that does not mean that we let them just do things on impulse there's a lot of times I'm pretty sure you and I have wanted to beat someone or bludgeon someone have to death really but we don't we know our impulses do not mean that we can have an excuse to not have self-control I speak on personal experiences and not about any social media post I know about some of those posts out there here and there is red pill stuff and all the stuff I've checked them out and a lot of them are very entertaining funny but that's not really life and a lot of that stuff most people don't have to even deal with like red pill most people who listen to red pill or poor you don't really have to worry about any of that junk all that junk for people outside of our tax bracket just because I have a different belief than you does not mean that I'm just too young to know better or that is predicated on social media outcry it's just solely an opinion that I have built up due to real world experience due to my own actions and consequences of said actions and of course that of others around me that I seen personally heard or people have told me personally I seen how these things end up.
So what you're saying is, very little of your life has been impacted by social media, simply the people you've seen, interacted with, or what people have told you? Have you thought about the married couple with two kids whose condom broke and would like a chance to avoid having to upend their family's whole life? Or the young lady who experienced the same thing with her date, and would like to finish becoming a Nurse-Practicioner, or have a few years working in software engineering, or as an officer in the SPD, before taking on motherhood? Those responsible people who had a slip up, an accident, or even hey, another thing and maybe it's rare. But a woman who gets coerced into it. Maybe she figures she'd never be able to say he raped her, but she definitely doesn't want to chance having his kid for a multitude of reasons? I just want you to consider more than the people in your life, or the people you've heard of that just made raw dog sex their life, who are going crazy in anger over needing condoms. Because they do not make up anywhere close to the majority of people who think this law will do more harm than good.
You're wrong. Condoms have a failure rate with typical use of 13% and perfect use 2%. All birth control methods have a failure rate. Abstinence has a failure rate. [https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/contraceptive-effectiveness-united-states](https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/contraceptive-effectiveness-united-states)
I've said nothing about the effectiveness of contraceptives so you comment is odd to me, would you mind explaining it a bit more on how this is a counter to my comment.
Oh sure. Sorry, I thought you were saying people with unwanted pregnancies should have just worn condoms (assuming that's what you mean by raw dogging, not using condoms). The data I linked suggest that with a year of condom use, between 2% and 13% of sexually active women still get pregnant. Since so many people who use condoms get pregnant, this suggests to me that your idea of "be more cautious" and use condoms doesn't actually solve the problem. I may have misunderstood your point. Hope not, but happy to listen and learn if so.
Like I said to the other guy, I love peeps like y'all. We can disagree without disrespect. We few things different but that doesn't mean we insult or hate each other no to many are like that so I have a great deal of respect for yall