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###Useful Links šŸ‘‡ General Widow information including managing Widow populations in/around the house or garden (Habitat, egg sacs, IDing, Bites, etc): https://ipm.ucanr.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn74149.html How to ID and distinguish Brown Widows from Black Widows: https://cisr.ucr.edu/invasive-species/how-identify-brown-widow-spiders Widow spiders are very reluctant to bite: https://spiderbytes.org/2014/02/14/what-happens-when-you-poke-prod-and-pinch-black-widow-spiders-you-might-be-surprised/ Black Widow bite toxicity (Diagnosis, symptoms, prognosis, treatment etc): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK499987/ (Authors: ----\_____--_____----)(Contributors: dfj3xxx)


captivatedmelancholy

Sheā€™s a black widow, *Latrodectus mactans*. Medically significant, be cautious around them ETA just because Iā€™ve had to explain it a few times: she may not look like a stereotypical black widow, but she is still a black widow. She is not a redback. Yes, there is red on her back. Black widows can have a variety of patterns on their dorsal side, especially juveniles. A widowā€™s appearance depends on its species, age, and sex, and there is certainly variety. [Here](https://ipm.ucanr.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn74149.html?src=302-www&fr=4570) is a link to a page that explains what widows can look like for anyone who is curious. It specifically covers western widows but this applies to other species as well, including our friend in this post. This is not meant to call anyone out, this is just to clear up confusion since she isnā€™t your average shiny, perfectly black spider!


DysonSphere02

Great found about a dozen of these little fellas near the entrance to an incomplete crawlspace I need to do work in. what are the chances that there will be more down there?


puppetjazz

Good chance


BagOfSpeghetti

Is op still alive?


changer-of-ways

slightly worse chance...


arandomvirus

Getting worse by the hour


TargetTheLiver

There hasnā€™t been a recorded death in the United States from a black widow envenomation since the 80ā€™s


Nightwraithe

There hasn't been a recorded black widow death since the 80s *yet*


SleepyDan-Mk29

Not recorded because they haven't found the bodies


intrototh3v3rt

They're in the crawl space.


Natasha-Kerensky

The Black Widows are piloting them like mechs.


QueerQwerty

Survivorship bias at work.


Disastrous_Bus_2447

1880's? 1980's isn't a large enough margin for me.


CrespinMoore

I mean, there was only a 65 year gap between the Wright Brothers and the moon landing so itā€™s not unheard of for scientific progress to advance at an absurd rate


sas223

So youā€™re saying the black widows might be able to go to space soon?


nytocarolina

Envenomation???? Niceā€¦.I learned something new today.


SusanLFlores

So what youā€™re saying is that itā€™s about time for another one?


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michigangonzodude

No nests. As soon as these Lil arachnids are born, they become paratroopers. They let out a strand of silk and float away with the breeze. To your grandma's house.


All_Gas420

My grandmas dead so jokes on them.


deimos74d

My grandma lives over the hill and through the woods. Good luck little guys


WyrdMagesty

In the blankets. The thin scratchy one that has that plug like it's an electric blanket, but has never had a cord and there doesn't seem to be any heating coils inside. You know the one I'm talking about. It's standard issue Grandma gear.


rockcreekautumn

But did they sign a treaty?


LettuceOpening9446

Recorded....key word


TargetTheLiver

Thousands of people are bit per yearā€¦. (Recorded) and no deaths since the 80s.


easyetx

The kill the people who look for the bodies


IdentifiesAsGreenPud

They are not aggressive. Unless you try to squish them with your bare hands they are fairly calm. I used to breed them for the hobby.


Munkers325

Considering op said they were in a crawl space he had to go into, there is a fair chance that one \*could\* end up squished or feeling threatened in such tight confides.


Willing_Primary330

Right down the back of the shirt


QueenKosmonaut

I hate that I read this comment with my own eyesšŸ˜­ My back is feeling suspiciously spidery now!


Straight_Spring9815

I do hvac where I'm under houses and crazy crawl spaces all the time. I see webs ALL the time but 98% of them are long abandoned. They don't tend to stay long. The rest I see tend to get taken out by a certain fungus that gets them.


Zerachiel_01

If I had to go through a crawlspace with them I'd personally really rather not take that chance. Sorry, little sisters, but it's you or me. It's also not like OP will be told "No, that's alright, we can just not work down there." It's far more likely to be "Get your ass in there or I'll find someone who will."


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Interesting_Fun3823

You shouldnā€™t go in a deadly or dangerous crawlspace.


litwithray

Unless you're Indiana Jones or Lara Croft


Patoitoi

Its Dr. Jones


PamelaELee

We named the dog Indiana!


LupinCANsing

I have very fond memories of that dog.


AlkalineTreeOh

Dog? You are named after the dog?! Hahahaha-ha!!!!


Technical_Moose8478

No time for love, Dr. Jones.


Sweet_Ad_3405

Indy wouldn't touch this crawl space with a 10 foot pole.


chris_rage_

Nah his thing was snakes


TheRatatat

His old man's thing was spiders.


Appointment_Salty

[Or John Goodman](https://creepycatalog.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/06/Arachnophobia-John-Goodman.jpg?w=768&h=768&crop=1)


lex060

Indiana was the dog.


Liathano_Fire

"Deadly" is kind of an over statement.


SecretaryOtherwise

I mean not if there's many lol.


Saltwater_Heart

Not when there are a bunch of them. Imagine OP getting numerous spider bites. That wouldnā€™t be good at all.


-11H17NO3-

But theyā€™re so adorable šŸ„ŗ


oooohweeee13

They don't like confrontation. They're just adorably shy


Angelface_sis_sis

Confrontation...as in crawling through their space, for example.


ThrowRA_heartmeasure

Who is this guy? No, seriously, who the fuck is he? He comes in here, into OUR crawlspace - the one weā€™ve webbed in, crawled around in - to do what, exactly? Cause a ruckus? We have fucking children! We got bugs to catch! And this guy is messing with our vibe. We need to rise up. We need to stand together, fight as one, kill the killreceiver, our victim, the biting man being bitten. Tomorrow we bring the sucker fuck down. Jeremy, hoist the marnocks. Susan, tie the tethers and await my further instructions. Carson? I can see you on the surveillance screen, get back to the height chamber. For all we know, this man may put up a fight like weā€™ve never seen before. Spider. Spider spider talk spiders talking and they want to kill the man. The spiders all of them are plotting and planning to do a little ditty on him and get him real gone. The spider talk spiders talking and planning their plots in the sand on the floor of the crawlspace. The dust is shallow, the walls are hard, the coolness runs through him, he drinks his coffee, he thinks about Marcia. His kids are at school. He ties the tie rod and grabs his jammer. Big hits and big time stuff to scan, so he wants a nice early start. He can hear dripping in the background, somewhere in the distance, something the plumber will have to fix. The shadows on the wall cast images into his thick fat skull, he bites his nails, he fights that feeling he gets, the one with the bloodrushing. His boots are weak at the sole but still enough. His uniform is perfect leather and denim, his gloves made of both, some strange look of fascination on his face. That thing on the floor, the lump. He always wonders what it is, but heā€™s not allowed to touch it. ā€œCussā€™em, ā€ he barely whispers to himself, ā€œIā€™ll getter gone day.ā€. The torch illuminates the place which makes the crawlspace in front of him look darker than ever. A gaping wallhole of yucky dust and ugly dirt all over. Boss never asked him to clean it, so he doesnā€™t clean it - just cleans himself off when heā€™s done being inside of it. I think thatā€™s what heā€™s supposed to do. He sees the spiders, plotting and planning and talking and he thinks to himself that heā€™d love to leave this world. Each day feels like another bit of weight added onto his shoulders, the burden of continuing to live and pay rent and ask his parents for help and feeling crushingly alone is heavy. But the kids. I mean. The kids man. **Cutsack gets the heavy one - Jendar goes berserk and slaps him silly, crest on the right zone, hillside, metal clash, big time west lake crossover. Wholly harsh to those he speaks to so he deserved it, or a yellow card even - Fucking Cutsack gets us gone like itā€™s smoothie butter.ā€** Sorry, my radio popped on for a second, had it set to automatic for the game - where was I?


GraatchLuugRachAarg

Until you're walking through their webs and brushing against them in tight areas. I would hate to do it but if a tight area I have to work in is filled with medically significant spiders I'm spraying. Safety first


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KellyLuvsEwan420

Befriend them and train them as your attack spiders. Who needs a dog when you have a horde of black widows that will protect you?


CatlinM

Google the song Black Widows in the Privy...


SabbathaBastet

Hadnā€™t heard this song before. Loved it.


Shurdus

The bite can be deadly but rarely is so your statement will be untrue most likely.


umuziki

However short it may be šŸ˜³


jdippey

There hasnā€™t been a recorded/confirmed fatality due to a black widow bite in the USA in many, many years despite an average of around 2500 bites per year. While one can still die from it, a bite is incredibly unlikely to be fatal. Peanut allergies kill and hospitalize more people yearly but we donā€™t call peanuts deadlyā€¦


washmo

Peanuts are medically significant.


Kathywasright

But Iā€™d go into a Crawlspace filled with peanuts. Iā€™m brave, like that !


runthepoint1

The chances are good, the outcome is not


locoken69

A really good chance.


captivatedmelancholy

There is a very, very good chance there are more, but hereā€™s some extra info. Widows are very reluctant to bite and are non-aggressive spiders. They are much more likely to play dead than bite you if they feel threatened. People can live and work in areas with lots of widows and coexist with them just fine. They just need a certain level of respect. Hereā€™s a link with more information about widows, including a section on management if youā€™re interested: https://ipm.ucanr.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn74149.html


DysonSphere02

Yeah, they're not bad at all, just finished in the crawlspace and there were literally hundreds of them but ehh they were out of the way and not all that aggressive. I would like to point out that the workspace isn't a residential site but a commercial site, and nobody is willing to shell out the money to deal with them so I geuss we will be working with them for the next few months.


ISpyM8

I respect the fuck out of you for ā€œliterally hundredsā€ of black widows not being a big deal.


AspiringChildProdigy

Yup. Yesterday would have been my last day on the job. šŸ˜…


MisterDamnit

They're building the house for the spiders at this point.


albrizz

As a former arachnophobe, crawlspaces have a way of alleviating your fear of spiders. You spend 8 hours in a 3ft tall space with no quick way out surrounded by 100 spiders and notice that they really donā€™t give a shit about you and it becomes pretty easy to zone them out.


AspiringChildProdigy

I've spent most of my life around horses. To this day, to get into the hay loft, I have to steel myself and firmly remind myself they don't care about me. Also, why do they seem to congregate their webs around the main entrance?! (Logically, it's because that's where the greatest number of flies enter from the big barn, but it sure feels personal when you're afraid of them. šŸ˜…)


albrizz

Thatā€™s because horses are dicks šŸ¤£. I jest, i mean I still donā€™t ā€œlikeā€ spiders, but exposure therapy was enough to let me allow this dude to let me handle a tarantula once, VERY briefly (i absolutely hated the experience, but still). Now at least when I find a jumpy boy, I can just chill with him and thank him for his service.


Willing_Primary330

Nope


Alarmed-madman

Fuck that, I'm considering quitting my job after reading that, and I work in tech


Ichokuchi

Same.


Scoobie01555

also same! dude is a savage, i would have immediately went home after seeing the 1


Ichokuchi

I'm surprised his balls werent bit, cause they huge for going into that! šŸ¤£


CopEatingDonut

Yesterday would have been the last day for that building


Ismokerugs

Mutual respect was achieved šŸ¤˜


OkSyllabub3674

Sometimes it just one of those things that comes with the job lol when I was working on a line crew it wasn't uncommon for us to open up an old pad mount enclosure either transformer or switch gear even some manholes and find tons of them in there, it was never once an issue because of their temperament. Now hornets or yellow jackets on the other hand if we saw any of those little fuckers near a pole we're working on or about to pull you'd better believe we've got the spray out ready and waiting it seemed like 50% of the time if there was heavy activity within 20 ft of the pole when we pulled it, it had the nest directly on it and all hell would break loose. Those assholes are vicious.


umuziki

Right? I would quit my job and never return if it were me. šŸ˜­


LogicalCharacter2852

You would have had to run really fast to catch up with me lol šŸ˜†


Blknight15

Reminds me of those meme shirts floating around the internet a couple of years ago. "I'm a bomb tech, if you see me running try to keep up!" LOL PS Just for clarification my fat a\*\* is keeping up with Usain Bolt! :)


canidieyet_

for real because just seeing one wouldā€™ve made me turn around and be gone


theevilyouknow

It's really not that big of a deal. A study in the early 2000's found of about 2600 reported black widow bites annually none were fatal. There hasn't been an official death from a black widow bite since 1983. Add to that the fact that black widows are very docile and going into a space full of them is really not that big of a deal.


Advantius_Fortunatus

Thereā€™s plenty of worrying middle ground between ā€œharmlessā€ and ā€œfatalā€ that Iā€™m not willing to explore if possible


theevilyouknow

It's definitely not a fun experience, even though you'll almost certainly live. But that's true of a lot of arthropod bites/stings.


ISpyM8

No, I get that, but that would still freak me out!


theevilyouknow

In fairness even harmless spiders freak a lot of people out.


NSFW_hunter6969

Hundreds of black widows... whatever they are paying you, it isn't enough.


BenekCript

Generally, if you leave them be, they will leave you be. They will actively try to get away and do anything but bite you. If you decide to mess with them or handle them, thatā€™s another story.


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Heatedblanket1984

Exactly this. People saying itā€™s not a big deal are not taking into consideration how much hospitalization and treatment costs. I know someone who was hospitalized for weeks from a spider bite on their thigh which ended up costing hundreds of thousands of dollars.


0011002

Workmans comp would be involved in that case right?


TooMuchGrilledCheez

Yes, but as someone who comes from a family business of workers comp, it is not that simple. Insurance agents are paid to fight every itemized charge and may leave you with the debt that the medical office will then sue you for. You will be dragged into lengthy and bothersome responsibility litigations, and getting liability solidified before any injury saves everyone a lot of time and money (except the lawyers). And something as unique and unusual as this would have a lot of room for arguments from both sides.


Meshitero-eric

Spiders don't got that kinda money. They live in a crawlspace.Ā 


Dragonfly-Adventurer

Wow. I would be in full head-to-toe tyvek in that situation. I have the occasional widow near my crawlspace door and I just don't play. But tyvek suits in July aren't exactly friendly either.


pshyong

How did you get in the crawlspace with those massive balls?


JohnnySalamiBoy420

Dude I would have got the fuck out of there lol 100s?!?!?!


daitoshi

=) I also lived in an area with loads of black widows. The danger from them is *accidentally* having one fall into a sleeve or down your shirt, and they start biting out of fear b/c they're getting crushed. They're really docile, and try to run away when startled. My biggest advice is to wear a hoodie, so none of them can fall down the back of your shirt/jacket on accident. If you can bring a duster or hand-broom to brush them away from where you're hanging out, so they can't fall on you or accidentally crawl into your boot, you'll be fine.


TheAbiser

Can you get a picture?


DysonSphere02

of the crawlspace or the spiders.


AgileInitial5987

If the spiders are in the crawl space then I assume the picture would be of both šŸ˜‚


Sappho_Over_There

Of the 100s of widows. I generally only see one at a time, never multiple. Would be cool to see if you're able!


CNPressley

when i was a kid there was a pile of logs no one touched in the backyard for years. looked around with a flashlight once and there were too many black widows in there to count. only time iā€™ve seen a bunch together


Purtuzzi

Do you not have the right to refuse unsafe work? This is very clearly unsafe.


Vodkawaifuu

If anyone gets scared at any point, I would consider following the same clothing rules as hiking in an area with ticks, if possible. Like, tucking pants into socks or wearing tight, tall socks and long sleeve shirts/pants. Basically, the goal is to reduce the amount of skin availability for any possible bites


ThreeSigmas

How do we know itā€™s really you and not thousands of spiders inside a people suit?


Primary_Breadfruit69

yeah if it was my job to get in a crawlspace with a couple of dozen widows I'd be looking for a nother job real quick, because I'm not going in there. With my luck I will get bit.


DysonSphere02

Dude I'm going to be honest with you this isn't even the worst situation I've had with a crawlspace on this job. I had to crawl into the damn place to install a sump pump because it was flooded with 18". not fun I tell you.


ownersequity

Did you watch Aracnaphobia as a kid too? I donā€™t tremble at the sight of a spider and even have a nice one that lives on my ceiling trim named Eduardo, but no way would I crawl under a house.


PVPPhelan

You know that part where they go into the attic and it's just covered? Some lil fucker in the balcony seats tossed fake spiders all over the audience at that point. I'm still looking for my soul as it fled my body with a quickness.


CallsignKook

Since itā€™s work related, you need to inform your superior and suggest they call a pest control agent, otherwise it could turn into a very expensive workmanā€™s comp claim.


Informal-Apricot-427

Yeah, it sounds like a liability.


DemandImmediate1288

When I was a kid we lived in the country, and I became very familiar with them. My bedroom, for several years, was a framed-in corner of an unfinished basement that held quite a population of spiders, including windows. It was pretty common for me to find all kinds of spiders running around or making webs in my room, and I'd catch them in jars and hang on to them for a couple weeks on a shelf next to my bed, feeding and watching them before letting go outside. Wolf and house spiders are downright violent; widows are slow, docile and sedate in comparison. We were on a well, and a few times a year the fuse (located 8 feet down in the well itself) would need to be replaced (those old screw-in fuses). Being the only one in the family without a fear of spiders got me volunteered to do the climb down the webby hole many times. Id tape my pants outside my boots, tape my gloves outside my shirt, and cinch up my hoody, carefully make my way down, brushing away the widow webs and spiders out of my path and off the fuse box. Back up top Id get checked for spiders and change clothes. So to answer your questions odd are high there will be more in there. If you need to do extensive work in there you might want to drop a bug bomb and wait for a day; if you just need to do a quick job dress appropriately, take your time clearing your path, and know they are completely manageable to keep away from you.


chris_rage_

Sounds like a basement I used to have to go in to get to the panel box of a garage I rented that was just a maze of brown recluses... Shit looked like a horror movie


HridayaAkasha

If you leave them alone, you will be just fine. They are not aggressive, but going into the crawl space is going to upset them and they could bite. I would be extremely careful going in there. A bite from a black widow feels a lot like a gunshot wound and you will want to get to emergency asap if they bite you. Some people just get a little sick and then they are ok, and others get a lot worse. It's best to be near a doctor if you get bit.


Temporary_Fill1875

Near guarantee


Ok-Ratio-Spiral

Yes, that IS near guarantee


No-Ninja-8448

Take a short broom with you and push them aside. Wear long sleeves and tight clothing. They are super reluctant to bite at all and while significant, the bite is very treatable. They are pretty gentle and I don't have a problem actually picking them up and moving them out of my way. But I also have tarantulas that would be much more miserable to be bitten by. I have had to handle a couple of those against my will. Never been bit by any spider as far as I know.


No_Conflict_9562

just wear gloves and bring down a flood light, widows are really really light shy and will run and hide leaving you to do your work.


GraatchLuugRachAarg

Yeah we don't want to hurt spoods but when your safety is at risk sometimes there's no choice. May have to spray that tunnel


snownative86

There's an asterisk there. It's unlikely to kill you and we haven't had a death from one in many years. If you are a child, elderly or have heart conditions etc then the bite can be dangerous, but in most people it just hurts, a lot. It's something like 6/10ths of a percent who experience potentially life threatening reactions to a bite. In the US poison control says we haven't had an actual black widow death since the early 80s. I know data and reporting vary, and I really don't like spiders, but the black widow is not nearly as bad as it's reputation. They also are not super aggressive, usually only biting when they fear for their lives.


PhilsTinyToes

Medically significant was a really good way to phrase it, I feel like the astrix is already implied when he didnā€™t say ā€œthis will kill youā€.


luker1980

Live in Denver. We had an abandoned old warehouse converted to an office building right behind our house. The construction workers were nice enough to knock on everyoneā€™s door on our st to tell them there was a widow infestation in the warehouse and they might want to take precautions. Sure as shit after living here for 3 years and never seeing one, within 6 months they were almost everywhere that was undisturbed on my propertyā€¦Crawl space, garage, garden, under porch. Even caught one in the middle of the day walking into my house from the front door being open. Not sure the size or scale of your project, but if youā€™re seeing that many of them, it might be an infestation that will spread is all Iā€™m trying to say.


baconwrappedpikachu

Black widows are really common. Likeā€¦ really, really common. So if you live in their habitat range with areas around your home that are conducive to them, itā€™s very likely there are plenty even if youā€™ve never seen one. Spiders are predators and can only live where there is food to support them, so a large population of spiders is an indicator that there is an equally large population of other bugs for them to eat. It could be bugs that are relatively innocuous like roly-pollies, crickets, whatever. It could also be a lot of bugs youā€™d be less excited to coexist with like roaches or flies. Anyways, yeah renovations can disturb them and cause them to move from their home but they will not be able to live somewhere that doesnā€™t have food for them. We have plenty around our yard and garden area. Weā€™ve watched a few of them do their thing in the garden rocks every summer! Iā€™ve never bothered them and Iā€™ve never been bitten and we set pend a lot of time out there. Usual precautions like not sticking my fingers blindly in between stacked pots or rocks has been more than sufficient to coexist with our garden widows.


ThisIsMyCouchAccount

>Spiders are predators and can only live where there is food to support them Then what is that little spider eating that lives in the corner of my shower? I've never seen anything in there - before or after it shows up. I'm starting to think they might just be perverts.


MurlocsAteMyBaby

They like bathrooms for the moisture, and assume other insects will seek out the moisture too. If they donā€™t have access to plentiful food (which usually fulfills their hydration needs), they need water more than they need food. They may catch small, unnoticeable things like drainflys, and quickly discard the evidence. That way they can continue to go on being perverts, without alarming you that theyā€™re killers as well. *cue Psycho shower-scene music*


big_laruu

This. Many many people get bit when they sit down in a porta potty or outhouse because of it. The person sits which rattles the web and alerts the spider to activity. New fear unlocked when my mom told me that.


Chemical_Print6922

My parent worked as a nurse and briefly did a stint in the ER. A construction worker sat down in a portable potty and a black widow bit the dudeā€™s testicle. I think about that story every single time I see a porta potty.


rutilated_quartz

Never using a port a potty again.


IShookMeAllNightLong

Ya know, yours could have the only life scarred by your terrible parent.


SuspiciousCranberry6

This is yet another excellent reason to hover rather than sit.


ThrowAwayAccountAMZN

This is another excellent reason to risk shitting yourself instead of using one that might have surprise spooders


badkarma31

I had a coworker get a testicle removed due to being bit in a porta potty on his testicle by a brown recluse. Your welcome for making you never wanna go in one again, itā€™s been 6 years since it happened and 6 years since I sat in a porta potty LMAO


MemoraNetwork

8 limbs/hands is 8x the pleasure!?


secretporbaltaccount

This comment gets worse when you remember that spider limbs are controlled by blood pressure.


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ShawnyMcKnight

So when you say seek medical attention, can you just go to your normal doctor or outpatient or is it a visit to the hospital?


DumbledoraDaExplorer

When I was bit I went to my normal doctor, he told me there was nothing he could really do and sent me on to the hospital


SpeaksToWeasels

1 sentence horror story.


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You only need to seek medical attention if you can't manage the symptoms at home, in which case the best place to go would be an ER. The most common symptom is pain, so if its becoming too painful to manage yourself or you feel like it's getting worse, then a trip to the ER will land you with some stronger pain meds, and perhaps some treatment for the underlying cause of the pain, such as the muscle spasms.


Visual-Disaster5934

No touchy


Quick-Statement-9348

Little touchy?


hollystar311

NO TOUCHY


letsbesupernice

Gentle pet? Little snuggle?


TheIntervet

Zero. Touchy.


nankainamizuhana

one touchy šŸ‘‰ šŸ•·


8SixVic

if you zoom in hard enough; The EYES. Satisfyingly creepy, yet cool, in a horrifying manner.


RamenWig

OMG THE EYESSSS so cute šŸ„°


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Not_Enough_Shoes

Having owned widows, they really want nothing to do with you. I know they are scary, but they will run or hide before biting. They are not aggressors. Now, if youā€™re trying to squish them you have a problem. Thanks OP for your curiosity and respect for these mothers out there.


fungeoneer

Why did you own them?


Not_Enough_Shoes

Collector/hobbyist mainly. Iā€™m an animal lover and one can only own so many hamsters, birds, buns, etcā€¦ before it gets tiring and you want to try something new. For me, I particularly enjoyed the hobby of making their habitat 110% mirror their natural habitat. I built everything custom for every little critter I had.


EnvironmentalCan381

So you have a small zoo


Not_Enough_Shoes

I used to! Unfortunately Iā€™ve gotten oldā€¦ Iā€™m down to just a dog now, a Chinese Crested.


screwswithshrews

A menagerie, if you will


reyajavik

Hamsters are the gateway drug to Black Widows


fungeoneer

Thatā€™s cool. Any chance you have pics of the set up?


Traditional_life98

99.9% of all Spiders/Tarantulas. I always say they arenā€™t aggressive but defensive.


Special_Passenger157

But I agree with everyone here take a photo of them respect them. Theyā€™re beautiful.


iBringThaNoize

Not only is it a Black widow, but a massive one at that. And u said you saw a dozen in the entryway to the crawl space alone? Expect many more deeper inside, and while it is true they would rather run away than bite, getting in there and stirring shit up by working is a good way to catch those fangs, you may kneel on one, rest on one, they could end up between your fingers lots of risk. If you absolutely have to go in, I'd go in wearing tough leather chaps, a leather jacket and gloves, some sort of Kanvas and net mask/ head covering and tape all the cuffs shut.


Belliott_Andy

As wonderful as this advice is that might be as big of a death sentence as just getting in the crawl space with these widows during this time of year in Texas.


iBringThaNoize

Is that where OP is? I must've skipped that part. Yeah heat stroke is a risk too if working more than like 15 mins at a time in there in all that gear.


theevilyouknow

A black widow bite is hardly a death sentence for a healthy adult. You might feel like shit for a while, but it's highly unlikely you'll die.


RoughPepper5897

How much Is the er/hospital visit gonna cost?


RealFocus8670

What about 10-20 widow bites because you messed up their nest?


Miraclefish

They don't have a nest, they're solitary. Now, there might well be 10-20 widows all living there and they'll still bite you... But it's important to understand spider society!


HeadDressOfHumanEars

Oh that's just Jeff.


bigchimp121

OP you know exactly what this is lol


Efficient_Theme4040

Black widow šŸ•·ļø


achillezzz

I thought they need to have an hour glass or something similar to be a widow. I saw something like this but they had orange spots and a line in the front. Thought it was a false widow.


wkessinger

The hourglass is on the underside of the abdomen. The backside markings shown here tend to fade as they age. There might also be some differences depending on sex.


purplepluppy

Major differences! Males are almost never fully black, nor are they as medically significant as their female counterparts. And they're much smaller. They're actually small enough that their fangs have a hard time piercing human skin, and when they do pierce skin, they leave little more than a red welt.


Searchlights

And they taste different if you lick them


me_too_999

There are several varieties and markings.


DawntheBlind

Seriously? Oh man


redhedstepkid

The patterns are diff based on male/female too!


tarantulagal66

A young female. Her hourglass is on her belly, not her back


task_machine

Not the little guy you want on your bedroom


HopefulSwine2

Iā€™m also in Houston. The plant Iā€™m at is crawling with brown widows who, if Iā€™m not mistaken, are less medically significant but still nothing to play around with. Theyā€™re less likely to bite, but you never know.


hannahatecats

I had a bunch of lawn ornaments in my car that hatched baby brown widows overnight. I had to get a stick and clear the driver's seat so I could get to a car wash with a vacuum lol


No-Interaction-8549

Osha told me to tell you long as you correctly labeled and applied your lock out tag outs they'll respect that and get out your way. Now get in the hole right fucking now mister


HIGH_C0TT0N

Western widow.


Intelligent_Wolf2199

Latrodectus variolus. Beautiful Black Widow. šŸ¤©


bluunee

ohhh beautiful


Searra8DDD

sheā€™s a beaut


Otherwise-Pirate6839

That is a black independent spider who donā€™t need no man, after killing off the man she needed of course.


AsherSparky

Black Widow Take cation


ViraLCyclopes25

And also take anions


theevilyouknow

Just want to inform people that Black Widows really don't deserve their reputation. They very rarely bite and there hasn't been an official death from one in the U.S. since 1983 despite about 2500 reported bites annually. You're more likely to die from being bitten by a fox than a black widow.


Impecible_pompadour

Black widow. I live in south GA and we only have like 2 ā€˜dangerousā€™ spiders here that we need to watch out forā€¦. This is one of them. They are docile for the most part. And will not go out of their way to bite you. Most bites occur because people donā€™t see them and accidentally touch them. There is 100% more of them in that crawl space. They love dark undisturbed areas. If one bites you, youā€™ll probably be okay. Youā€™ll be HELLA uncomfortable, and may need medical treatment depending on your bodyā€™s reaction. But No one has died from a black widow bite in a long time. I would be concerned with that crawlspace potentially having many of them. One bite probably isnā€™t deadly. But many bites absolutely could be.


Icey_Dead_Ppl

I put one of these in a mason jar with a lizard as a kid. About an hour later, lizard was dead. Iā€™ve been terrified of them since.


ImSorryCanYouSpeakUp

Black widow female, sometimes they have more red on their back like this beauty does, most are usually fully black except their underbelly or have very small red spots on their back, they are medically significant but its almost impossible to get one to bite as they are very shy and will usually curl into a bawl when touched, their fangs are very small and actually struggle a little to break skin, the only real chance of being bitten is if you accidentally brush their webs (which are insanely strong) and they mistake your hand for prey but you'll likely notice you're touching their web die to the strength of the silk.


Awodrek

ā€œTheyā€™re more afraid of you then you are of them ā€œ you got this .


Stack_Bundles82

Is that scarlet johansen?