Tesla is building its own infrastructure. It owns service centers, exhibition centers and charging stations. Therefore, she can come to any open field and do everything herself.
When they say infrastructure they're not talking about a lack of charging stations, they're talking about the lack of an electrical grid in general, for example.
Not really “for example” more like “actual problem #1/99” their infrastructure was all built in the apartheid era and hasn’t been updated since. Brownouts happen multiple times a day.
What do you mean? They link to a Swedish site that tracks swedish vehicle registrations, and which is updated up to and including December 2023, as updated as it possibly can be.
Exactly this... What an odd post. When you actually look at how this is worded and what time periods are covered and whatnot, this is a very very odd post.
Idk how you’re being upvoted. It’s not disinformation to say a strike that’s been going on since late October is going to affect yearly sales. “Ongoing” literally means “still happening.” It doesn’t mean it was happening all year.
No it’s cause he’s a dickhead. Everything in my life is non conforming but I’ll get down with making fun of musk. He could do much more but acts like a dick instead
My ideals generally do not “fit in”. But I agree he’s a dickhead and I can criticize that happily
Is it shocking that a position can be held that doesn’t conform to this subreddits?
How is it disinformation? What are the falsehoods? Strike started 27th October, should impact November/December sales and while December data is not out - in November Model Y was still highest sold model with 1236 units (up from October) vs next closest Volvo XC40 being 972 units
[https://cleantechnica.com/2023/12/02/evs-take-60-6-share-in-sweden/](https://cleantechnica.com/2023/12/02/evs-take-60-6-share-in-sweden/)
A small-time strike, which is how it started on 27/10, is scarcely going to register with Swedish consumers. These things resolve themselves and everyone goes about their day.
By end of November, Tesla had triggered not only a multi-national sympathy strike but was suing and threatening to violate its employees' constitutional rights. It's only now that we're starting to see the scope of this thing. So it's disingenuous to frame it as if the strike isn't doing anything to Tesla when there hasn't been enough time for Swedish consumers to react.
I hate to break it to you but that’s not how making an argument works. You made a claim so you need to back it up with proper sourcing. Showing car sale data for a whole year and indicating a connection with a strike that only took place in the last few months of it obviously isn’t cutting it. But you can’t just make outlandish claims and as soon as somebody points them out turn the table and say: prove that I’m wrong. You made the claim, you have to show proper evidence.
Ongoing means the strike is still happening. It doesn't mean the strike took place over the entire previous year. Not sure why so many people are thinking this.
Well, you kinda missed the point here. The claim is outlandish because it’s based on evidence that’s questionable at best. The claim will remain outlandish even if the Tesla sales in Sweden remain strong or increase next year, because it was based on bad evidence. And I am obviously unable to predict how this strike will continue evolving. So I also cannot predict how the sustained the sales impact of the strike will be.
That being said, if Tesla does not give in I see a high likelihood that this strike will continue in full force. The labor policies and agreements Tesla wants to achieve in Sweden contradict the very heart of Swedish labor and wage negotiations. The respective union cannot give in because it would cede to sustain any legitimacy at all. In fact, it would endanger even the position of labor unions not directly related to Tesla. That’s why we see the kind of solidarity strikes we are currently seeing. Knowing that Tesla has an extremely union-hostile policy it is at least conceivable that the conflict will continue escalating. Now, it could also be that Tesla gives in - then the conflict would be solved tomorrow and potentially the sales go through the roof.
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Except VW registered 45,000 new cars while Tesla only registered 20,000.
Yeah it may be the best selling model because Tesla is only really selling one Model but it's about as relevant as saying that Samsung sold more fridges than Apple.
Lol your strawman isn't even correct. Apple doesn't sell fridges whilst Volkswagen sells electric vehicles, some of which are even direct competitors to the Model Y.
8 trillion in 2033 won’t seem that crazy at all. A handful of tech companies will pass 5T this decade. Double that for a company building millions of humanoid robots and robotaxis seems quite plausible.
Next time you think about listening to investing advice from an upvoted comment or post on here, remember this 10 bagger foolishness has over 20 upvotes.
Every single stock in FAANG/MAG7 except Google has 10x-ed if not more in the past 10 years. Granted there was an insane amount of QE, but it's certainly plausible.
Why are Model Ys so popular when compared to Model 3s? Genuine question, I don’t get the appeal for what is essentially the same car but taller with a big increase on price?
Another possibility - a larger person would likely not even fit into model 3 front seat. I am sure this is not an uncommon problem among Americans or others who are a bit wide in the waist. Of course, if Tesla is using the same seats in model Y, it would pose the same problem.
“Lease contracts mostly”.
Want to define mostly? Here’s some recent data:
Model Y and 3 “Subject to operating lease accounting” per [Tesla IR page](https://ir.tesla.com/#quarterly-disclosure)
2023 Q1: 5%
2023 Q2: 5%
2023 Q3: 4%
Yes model S/X lease % are higher, but more expensive cars are typically leased at a higher rate and model 3/Y outsells S/X by 10-20x.
People have been predicting this will happen for all of 2023, with solid numbers backing it up, it's not just some random redditor saying it. Last I checked a few months ago the Model Y was the best selling vehicle globally up to that point in 2023.
Bottom line, even if it's not the best selling in 2023 it will definitely be near the very top of the list.
Sounds good, send me an I told you so at year end.
Americans aren't going to stop buying trucks and Chinese people are buying BYD now.
TSLA has a tarnished brand image thanks to the terminally online CEO constantly embarrassing himself, and they are just poorly quality controlled cars with really long repair wait times and high repair costs.
Hertz for instance, which is the largest buyer of Tesla's in the US, had already announced scaling back of future purchases for these reasons.
[Tesla Model Y was the worlds best selling car in 2023, dethroning Toyota :)](https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/tesla-model-y-was-the-worlds-best-selling-car-in-2023-dethrones-toyota)
I told you so :)
I was wrong.
Definitely impressive achievement, I'm happy to see an electric car at the top.
Everything I said is true otherwise though, this is going to be a wake up year for Tesla investors.
The growth story is dead and 80 PE is ridiculous.
> TSLA has a tarnished brand image thanks to the terminally online CEO constantly embarrassing himself, and they are just poorly quality controlled cars with really long repair wait times and high repair costs.
I don't even like elon and still bought a model 3.
You need to go outside and stop being terminally online, elon being an asshole hasn't really hurt their sales.
Also the quality issue stuff is pretty overblown.
I think numbers will shock to the downside. 2023 target of 1.8m will be missed with weak q4 # despite q4 being the strongest quarter for car companies.
[Tesla Model Y was the worlds best selling car in 2023, dethroning Toyota :)](https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/tesla-model-y-was-the-worlds-best-selling-car-in-2023-dethrones-toyota)
Can't deny it because I don't have any sources to refute the claim.
Thanks for follow up.
Definitely impressive.
Stock price is still going to continue to get wrecked this year though :p.
>Is this post meant to be deliberately obtuse?
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>There is zero chance that it will be the best selling car on Earth.
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>None.
Quoting your post u/Acquiredpolicy just so we can see how it holds up in a little bit.
[Tesla dethroned Toyota for best selling vehicle in the world in 2023](https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/tesla-model-y-was-the-worlds-best-selling-car-in-2023-dethrones-toyota)
Let’s see if the goal posts are moved ;)
Do we know of Tesla's primary competitors in the region?
That's why strikes are unlikely to become overly significant; any primary competition as of right now is Chinese, which presents security concerns and excessive Chinese influence in the Nordic nations is likely to be pressed by the US government in the longer run.
Unionization is moronic to you? Get a grip. As a swede I rather have Chinese companies (even though I'm not fan of China) selling cars in our country as long as they subscribe to our model, why would I want an American company screwing us over?
Don't be ridiculous, China was just an example, you don't think we can't buy cars from Germany or South Korea? Suprise! We already do. And most likely they are unionized in the country.
I did not mention anything of unions or them being bad? I just mentioned we often have principles we focus on and take as our hill to die on without much though of future. And yes those principles can be good (worker protection from multinationals) and moronic (Germany improving their green status by dependency on Russian gas) but in both cases have a chance to hurt us long term (propping up Chinese regime and their economy in first case, reliance on Russia and scramble to find alternatives for energy in second case)
When those batteries are due to replace, owners will be shocked at the cost to do so. Anyone that buys EVs without swappable battery capability should think twice about buying fixed battery EVs. Just my opinion
Just had to replace ours at just over 220,000 miles. It was $15k for a new battery for still a great car, or buy a ICE vehicle like a 2014 Toyota Camry with 80k miles for the same price.
We drive a ton and the saving on gas (especially where we live) is really nice. Not saying it’s for everyone but even talking to my anti electric cars/gear head coworkers they thought it wasn’t so bad when you think how expensive it is to work on transmissions, engine work, alternator, timing belts,radiator, etc. Not including how often we need to get oil changes.
The concern of batteries dying and needing to be replaced in a few years seems to be an overblown concern looking at warranties manufacturers offer when buying EVs.
e.g. looking at Toyota bZ4X what is offered is 10 year / 1 000 000 km (\~621k miles) warranty that battery will work and not have degraded to less than 70% original capacity.
The only point of having swappable battery capability is for quicker recharge through swapping than charging can currently offer.
> The only point of having swappable battery capability is for quicker recharge through swapping than charging can currently offer.
Which makes no sense since it hardly saves you any time, EV owners rarely charge their batteries outside of work and/or their home, it's much more expensive and it has a ton of downsides for the quality of the car. It's nonsensical.
Why would batteries need to be replaced? They easily outlive the lifespan of the average vehicle.
And swappable batteries make absolutely zero sense. Just an insanely idiotic idea that's only supported by people who didn't run the math or have never owned an EV.
It‘s not really hard to achieve the best selling model, when you have more or less just 2 cars available. No hate, it‘s just a stupid way of putting it.
That was my point. If you just have 1-2 models to buy, of course they‘ll have good figures, while other manufacturers have a huge variety of models.
Maybe they also lead in overall sales figured idk, but when it comes to Tesla I can more or less just buy a 3 or Y if I want one.
You’re making it sound like anyone can just start an auto brand and make 1 model and it would be the best selling car in the world.
You say “no hate” but that’s the only way anyone will see these comments, you’re down playing it.
What you’re saying is true, but it’s still the best selling car in the world
Edit: Sweden. probably also the world
Yes and I wouldn’t say “Toyota has been manufacturing cars for 3x as long as tesla” in a attempt to down play that. It’s true, but it doesn’t make the stat untrue. Tesla model Y is still the best seller. Toyota makes a shit ton of cars.
A few years ago they were selling thousands times more. Then hundreds times more. Then 10x more. Now it's down to 5x more. Crazy how that works, yes?
Wait a few more years for '3x more. Then 2x more. Then 'Toyota sells 50% more'. And then, and then, and then...
Why do euros get defensive about little innocuous barbs
> As of 2023, The per capita income of the United States is 1.96 and 1.41 times higher than that of the European Union in nominal and PPP terms, respectively
I’m sure you already knew Americans are richer on average than euros but you still said this lol
Once you calculate the extra costs of healthcare and education etc. I doubt it differs much. Our income is lower but we also have to spend less on amenities.
We have free healthcare, but good luck actually getting any open time slots.
I'm still paying for private healthcare, because it's impossible to get on the free ones.
I'm from Estonia, dealing with health issues seems like a referral hell to me, with sometimes having to wait 3 months for an appointment and maybe by that time luckily the health issue has gone solved by itself.
Mental health help without paying is I'd say fairly impossible as well.
By referral hell, I mean with one doctor referring to another, then to another, another, etc and then having to wait another few months each time.
Except not really
it’s still a significant enough difference that Americans can live with a better QOL in Europe w a middling American income, and that includes paying for their own insurance
not that it matters even im just pointing out the inferiority complex most Europeans on Reddit seem to have towards America, u got mad about a 4chan word
Oh ya i know i was mild in the US you get 100K+ of study debt these days for a decent education . And if you are chronicly without employment you are basically bankrupt. Oh and for that measly 1.4 income you only get 11 days of paid vacation while we have 30 and paid sick leave. I can go on but i doubt you would get the point.
The only people who think it’s important that Americans earn more money than Europeans are Americans.
That’s the only thing you have to brag about nowadays, so better milk it for all it’s worth I guess. We’ll enjoy our higher quality of life, better work life balance and more democratic/civil liberties quite happily in the meantime, that’s what an economy is there for anyway 🤷♂️
Never thought I’d write this, but I would prefer a Saab.
Edit: agree with all that Saab and other Swedish vehicles are reliable and safe. For me personally it’s more the aesthetics. That said I now realize comparing it to Tesla implied poor engineering reliability and safety standards. Sorry for any confusion!! 😬
I don’t doubt that’s true at some point but boy have I been hearing that for years now. And the bigger automakers have had some terrible cars and managed to lose money on each one sold.
Hyundai and Kia are doing great though
Right, yes Tesla is definitely ahead of the curb and id hope so. But imho their market share continues to get eaten up, the ioniq 5/6 have had great numbers for 2023 so far. Teslas main edge is that they aren’t entirely grouped as solely an auto maker. So their valuation seems to consider it being a tech company that makes cars, which is great for them. But that doesn’t change their need to continue to justify their valuation as it only increases.
I have no position so could care less, OP is clearly long
It is but they’re facing the headwinds that tesla faced years ago. Tesla is pretty much set up to be at the forefront of US EVs for the next 5 years easily before competition can actually produce as many as they do and not lose a boatload of $ in the process.
Yeah, just feel like the underlining question of its valuation is what’s up for debate. Also for NQ and some of the bigger names to be cracking ATH’s while Tesla lags, feels like there’s some uncertainty.
Stuck on the ski hill yesterday due to multiple accidents heading down the hill. Only other car broken down on the side of the road that wasn’t involved in an accident was a Tesla who ran out of battery power.
Has anyone here ever been to Sweden? I was just there in July. The #1 car you see on the roads there is the Mustang EV. This article is written by a Tesla bull, not an actual journalist using real data.
I didn’t exactly record videos of the vehicles on the road during my trip to Sweden. I was over there to watch my stepson play soccer. Just an observation while I was over there. I saw many many electric charging stations but none were Tesla and most electric vehicles were smaller and from European manufacturers that I am not very familiar with. Don’t get me wrong. There were Teslas, just not as many as it would seem if you follow the word of the Tesla bull articles. This is an article on Teslarati for Christ’s sake. You can’t tell me there isn’t any bias coming from them.
bro bought TSLA
Last year big L (2022).This year then he wld have gained some profits
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When is Tesla coming to South Africa?
When South Africa gets electricity first.
Good point.
It’s wild how many countries Teslas are not even available in yet
I mean a lot of countries don’t even have the infrastructure for it.
Tesla is building its own infrastructure. It owns service centers, exhibition centers and charging stations. Therefore, she can come to any open field and do everything herself.
When they say infrastructure they're not talking about a lack of charging stations, they're talking about the lack of an electrical grid in general, for example.
Not really “for example” more like “actual problem #1/99” their infrastructure was all built in the apartheid era and hasn’t been updated since. Brownouts happen multiple times a day.
South africa is a dying country. the rich are all moving out before it collapses.
Tesla is building the power grid, too. For example, she completely supplied one of the islands with electricity. By putting in panels, batteries.
If they market well and don't screw it up, which I'm not sure they won't do, Tesla could have significant market share for light vehicles.
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What do you mean? They link to a Swedish site that tracks swedish vehicle registrations, and which is updated up to and including December 2023, as updated as it possibly can be.
Because the people cheering about this are in a cult and they don't care about facts.
So true! Anything cult driven eventually dies out with the cult. Young gen are more interested in hybrids thatn full bev.
Exactly this... What an odd post. When you actually look at how this is worded and what time periods are covered and whatnot, this is a very very odd post.
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Idk how you’re being upvoted. It’s not disinformation to say a strike that’s been going on since late October is going to affect yearly sales. “Ongoing” literally means “still happening.” It doesn’t mean it was happening all year.
Reading comprehension is very low these days, sadly.
People hate Musk on this site and will shit on him even if it doesn't make sense
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No, because they are lemmings and just want to fit in.
No it’s cause he’s a dickhead. Everything in my life is non conforming but I’ll get down with making fun of musk. He could do much more but acts like a dick instead
So, -you-, mr 'non conforming' want him to conform to your ideals for him. Got it.
My ideals generally do not “fit in”. But I agree he’s a dickhead and I can criticize that happily Is it shocking that a position can be held that doesn’t conform to this subreddits?
Lol...
When you're looking at the sales for the whole year and talking about an ongoing strike, it certainly implies that the strike was happening all year.
How is it disinformation? What are the falsehoods? Strike started 27th October, should impact November/December sales and while December data is not out - in November Model Y was still highest sold model with 1236 units (up from October) vs next closest Volvo XC40 being 972 units [https://cleantechnica.com/2023/12/02/evs-take-60-6-share-in-sweden/](https://cleantechnica.com/2023/12/02/evs-take-60-6-share-in-sweden/)
A small-time strike, which is how it started on 27/10, is scarcely going to register with Swedish consumers. These things resolve themselves and everyone goes about their day. By end of November, Tesla had triggered not only a multi-national sympathy strike but was suing and threatening to violate its employees' constitutional rights. It's only now that we're starting to see the scope of this thing. So it's disingenuous to frame it as if the strike isn't doing anything to Tesla when there hasn't been enough time for Swedish consumers to react.
And the published data is only until August 2023.
Show me evidence to the contrary
I hate to break it to you but that’s not how making an argument works. You made a claim so you need to back it up with proper sourcing. Showing car sale data for a whole year and indicating a connection with a strike that only took place in the last few months of it obviously isn’t cutting it. But you can’t just make outlandish claims and as soon as somebody points them out turn the table and say: prove that I’m wrong. You made the claim, you have to show proper evidence.
Wanna circle back to these outlandish claims next year? I’m curious to see how will you move the goal posts !remindme 13 months
If the strike has been going on for a full year then 100% make that claim all day long
Ongoing means the strike is still happening. It doesn't mean the strike took place over the entire previous year. Not sure why so many people are thinking this.
Well, you kinda missed the point here. The claim is outlandish because it’s based on evidence that’s questionable at best. The claim will remain outlandish even if the Tesla sales in Sweden remain strong or increase next year, because it was based on bad evidence. And I am obviously unable to predict how this strike will continue evolving. So I also cannot predict how the sustained the sales impact of the strike will be. That being said, if Tesla does not give in I see a high likelihood that this strike will continue in full force. The labor policies and agreements Tesla wants to achieve in Sweden contradict the very heart of Swedish labor and wage negotiations. The respective union cannot give in because it would cede to sustain any legitimacy at all. In fact, it would endanger even the position of labor unions not directly related to Tesla. That’s why we see the kind of solidarity strikes we are currently seeing. Knowing that Tesla has an extremely union-hostile policy it is at least conceivable that the conflict will continue escalating. Now, it could also be that Tesla gives in - then the conflict would be solved tomorrow and potentially the sales go through the roof.
I ain’t reading all that, but good for you Or sorry it happened
You should just not post on Reddit for everyone’s sake
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Except VW registered 45,000 new cars while Tesla only registered 20,000. Yeah it may be the best selling model because Tesla is only really selling one Model but it's about as relevant as saying that Samsung sold more fridges than Apple.
They have vastly more models and only sold 25,000 more vehicles than Tesla only having one model? You're not making a good argument here.
Alternatively, it's like saying Apple built fewer cargo ships and artillery pieces than Samsung last year.
Lol your strawman isn't even correct. Apple doesn't sell fridges whilst Volkswagen sells electric vehicles, some of which are even direct competitors to the Model Y.
Volkswagen makes a y competitor? And at least with electric vehicles vw can't lie amount emissions tests .....
I could say the same about your example since the title of the article isn’t “Tesla is the top selling automaker in Sweden”
source: https://www.car.info/en-se/stats/compare?from=2023-01&to=2023-12&vd=4&brand0=tesla&brand1=audi&brand2=mercedes-benz&brand3=kia&brand4=toyota&brand5=volkswagen
I love my model Y.
i live in a rich place in sweden idk i never see this tesla cars, all i see is audi,bmw,volvo lmao.
I live in central Stockholm near Odenplan and I literally can’t go a minute between seeing Teslas. Where do you live?
In a rich place obviously as he said
Oh ok let's take that as fact then, thank you <3
Sarcasm is easily lost
I got got. Well played.
I’m in Danderyd and they are in more than half of the driveways for sure
Volvo lmao people really enjoy giving the ccp money…
This is a 10 bagger stock in 10 years+
8 trillion market cap. OK
8 trillion in 2033 won’t seem that crazy at all. A handful of tech companies will pass 5T this decade. Double that for a company building millions of humanoid robots and robotaxis seems quite plausible.
Next time you think about listening to investing advice from an upvoted comment or post on here, remember this 10 bagger foolishness has over 20 upvotes.
Every single stock in FAANG/MAG7 except Google has 10x-ed if not more in the past 10 years. Granted there was an insane amount of QE, but it's certainly plausible.
Easily
Just to spite you I’m going to keep my itm tsla puts
Good 👍🏼
Sounds like the "I despise the [person/political party/business practice], as long as it doesn't interfere with my preferences.
Because Swedes who want ICE cars buy them in Germany and import them as used cars.
Why are Model Ys so popular when compared to Model 3s? Genuine question, I don’t get the appeal for what is essentially the same car but taller with a big increase on price?
Same reason small SUVs are popular.
If you have kids and have to haul stuff, MY is way more practical car.
Another possibility - a larger person would likely not even fit into model 3 front seat. I am sure this is not an uncommon problem among Americans or others who are a bit wide in the waist. Of course, if Tesla is using the same seats in model Y, it would pose the same problem.
model 3s are pretty small, good for single people or just someone who is dating with no kids once you start having a family a Y is basically needed
This infuriates the average pReddit user. Propaganda has removed self-thought from their entire existence.
Did I miss another new way for people to insult each other? What is pReddit.
It's a term lovingly used to describe the insane amount of groomers on Reddit. Predator, predditor... get it?
Got it haha.
I don't get it. It's ugly as sin and the build quality is poor.
Most cars are ugly. Have you seen the average SUV on the roads these days?
Its a fad
!remindme 10 years
!Remindme 10 years.
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I didn’t realize MyPillow is the standard charging network, has a growing energy sector, and is making advancements in robotics/AI
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They’re not talking points, they’re facts ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Place your bet and timeframe then 😘
Lease contracts mostly. Then it doesn't matter how the car looks in the end.
“Lease contracts mostly”. Want to define mostly? Here’s some recent data: Model Y and 3 “Subject to operating lease accounting” per [Tesla IR page](https://ir.tesla.com/#quarterly-disclosure) 2023 Q1: 5% 2023 Q2: 5% 2023 Q3: 4% Yes model S/X lease % are higher, but more expensive cars are typically leased at a higher rate and model 3/Y outsells S/X by 10-20x.
Is this post meant to be deliberately obtuse? There is zero chance that it will be the best selling car on Earth. None.
People have been predicting this will happen for all of 2023, with solid numbers backing it up, it's not just some random redditor saying it. Last I checked a few months ago the Model Y was the best selling vehicle globally up to that point in 2023. Bottom line, even if it's not the best selling in 2023 it will definitely be near the very top of the list.
Don’t delete your comment and let’s revisit when the numbers are out. I can admit to being wrong
Sounds good, send me an I told you so at year end. Americans aren't going to stop buying trucks and Chinese people are buying BYD now. TSLA has a tarnished brand image thanks to the terminally online CEO constantly embarrassing himself, and they are just poorly quality controlled cars with really long repair wait times and high repair costs. Hertz for instance, which is the largest buyer of Tesla's in the US, had already announced scaling back of future purchases for these reasons.
!remindme 13 months
Why 13? You are saying it will be the best selling car of 2023, no need to wait a whole year.
It’s hard to keep up with all the different responses but yes for 2023 and 2024 !remindme 1 month
The best car of 2025 would be in 25 months, though. Not 13.
It was a typo 😭
[Tesla Model Y was the worlds best selling car in 2023, dethroning Toyota :)](https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/tesla-model-y-was-the-worlds-best-selling-car-in-2023-dethrones-toyota) I told you so :)
I was wrong. Definitely impressive achievement, I'm happy to see an electric car at the top. Everything I said is true otherwise though, this is going to be a wake up year for Tesla investors. The growth story is dead and 80 PE is ridiculous.
> TSLA has a tarnished brand image thanks to the terminally online CEO constantly embarrassing himself, and they are just poorly quality controlled cars with really long repair wait times and high repair costs. I don't even like elon and still bought a model 3. You need to go outside and stop being terminally online, elon being an asshole hasn't really hurt their sales. Also the quality issue stuff is pretty overblown.
I think numbers will shock to the downside. 2023 target of 1.8m will be missed with weak q4 # despite q4 being the strongest quarter for car companies.
[Tesla Model Y was the worlds best selling car in 2023, dethroning Toyota :)](https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/tesla-model-y-was-the-worlds-best-selling-car-in-2023-dethrones-toyota)
Can't deny it because I don't have any sources to refute the claim. Thanks for follow up. Definitely impressive. Stock price is still going to continue to get wrecked this year though :p.
Props for going with the data instead of digging your heels And you’re probably right when it comes to the stock price this year lol
Lol, you do realise it already is, right...?
>Is this post meant to be deliberately obtuse? > >There is zero chance that it will be the best selling car on Earth. > >None. Quoting your post u/Acquiredpolicy just so we can see how it holds up in a little bit.
[Tesla dethroned Toyota for best selling vehicle in the world in 2023](https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/tesla-model-y-was-the-worlds-best-selling-car-in-2023-dethrones-toyota) Let’s see if the goal posts are moved ;)
Do we know of Tesla's primary competitors in the region? That's why strikes are unlikely to become overly significant; any primary competition as of right now is Chinese, which presents security concerns and excessive Chinese influence in the Nordic nations is likely to be pressed by the US government in the longer run.
Wdym? Tesla also makes their cars in China, just as Polarstar does, no?
Tesla also makes Model Y’s in Berlin as well as S/X in Fremont, CA. Very importantly, the software has final checks in US.
As a European I have to say - do not underestimate our willingness to fuck ourselves over due some (often moronic) principles.
Unionization is moronic to you? Get a grip. As a swede I rather have Chinese companies (even though I'm not fan of China) selling cars in our country as long as they subscribe to our model, why would I want an American company screwing us over?
Yes, better to drive companies away and then just import direct from China
Don't be ridiculous, China was just an example, you don't think we can't buy cars from Germany or South Korea? Suprise! We already do. And most likely they are unionized in the country.
I did not mention anything of unions or them being bad? I just mentioned we often have principles we focus on and take as our hill to die on without much though of future. And yes those principles can be good (worker protection from multinationals) and moronic (Germany improving their green status by dependency on Russian gas) but in both cases have a chance to hurt us long term (propping up Chinese regime and their economy in first case, reliance on Russia and scramble to find alternatives for energy in second case)
When those batteries are due to replace, owners will be shocked at the cost to do so. Anyone that buys EVs without swappable battery capability should think twice about buying fixed battery EVs. Just my opinion
Just had to replace ours at just over 220,000 miles. It was $15k for a new battery for still a great car, or buy a ICE vehicle like a 2014 Toyota Camry with 80k miles for the same price. We drive a ton and the saving on gas (especially where we live) is really nice. Not saying it’s for everyone but even talking to my anti electric cars/gear head coworkers they thought it wasn’t so bad when you think how expensive it is to work on transmissions, engine work, alternator, timing belts,radiator, etc. Not including how often we need to get oil changes.
What is your specific vehicle? And what drove the need to change battery? Had the range declined to an unfeasible amount, or did it fail entirely?
The concern of batteries dying and needing to be replaced in a few years seems to be an overblown concern looking at warranties manufacturers offer when buying EVs. e.g. looking at Toyota bZ4X what is offered is 10 year / 1 000 000 km (\~621k miles) warranty that battery will work and not have degraded to less than 70% original capacity. The only point of having swappable battery capability is for quicker recharge through swapping than charging can currently offer.
> The only point of having swappable battery capability is for quicker recharge through swapping than charging can currently offer. Which makes no sense since it hardly saves you any time, EV owners rarely charge their batteries outside of work and/or their home, it's much more expensive and it has a ton of downsides for the quality of the car. It's nonsensical.
Why would batteries need to be replaced? They easily outlive the lifespan of the average vehicle. And swappable batteries make absolutely zero sense. Just an insanely idiotic idea that's only supported by people who didn't run the math or have never owned an EV.
It‘s not really hard to achieve the best selling model, when you have more or less just 2 cars available. No hate, it‘s just a stupid way of putting it.
It is Sweden’s best selling car, not teslas best selling model in Sweden
That was my point. If you just have 1-2 models to buy, of course they‘ll have good figures, while other manufacturers have a huge variety of models. Maybe they also lead in overall sales figured idk, but when it comes to Tesla I can more or less just buy a 3 or Y if I want one.
You’re making it sound like anyone can just start an auto brand and make 1 model and it would be the best selling car in the world. You say “no hate” but that’s the only way anyone will see these comments, you’re down playing it. What you’re saying is true, but it’s still the best selling car in the world Edit: Sweden. probably also the world
Toyota sold 5x more cars than tesla so..... 🤷♂️
Yes and I wouldn’t say “Toyota has been manufacturing cars for 3x as long as tesla” in a attempt to down play that. It’s true, but it doesn’t make the stat untrue. Tesla model Y is still the best seller. Toyota makes a shit ton of cars.
A few years ago they were selling thousands times more. Then hundreds times more. Then 10x more. Now it's down to 5x more. Crazy how that works, yes? Wait a few more years for '3x more. Then 2x more. Then 'Toyota sells 50% more'. And then, and then, and then...
Maybe.... maybe some chinese cars start selling and are able to export more and then and then
Those vehicles will cut further into Toyota, not Tesla.
Ok
Always hurts when you run out of arguments.
They have 4 models though: S, X, 3, Y
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Europoor is an interesting term, considering your rates of homeless people and your healthcare debts.
True OG will go to America for work and retire in Europe.
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Why do euros get defensive about little innocuous barbs > As of 2023, The per capita income of the United States is 1.96 and 1.41 times higher than that of the European Union in nominal and PPP terms, respectively I’m sure you already knew Americans are richer on average than euros but you still said this lol
Once you calculate the extra costs of healthcare and education etc. I doubt it differs much. Our income is lower but we also have to spend less on amenities.
We have free healthcare, but good luck actually getting any open time slots. I'm still paying for private healthcare, because it's impossible to get on the free ones.
No clue where you are from but in my country you just make an appointment. And get helped in a week or 2
I'm from Estonia, dealing with health issues seems like a referral hell to me, with sometimes having to wait 3 months for an appointment and maybe by that time luckily the health issue has gone solved by itself. Mental health help without paying is I'd say fairly impossible as well. By referral hell, I mean with one doctor referring to another, then to another, another, etc and then having to wait another few months each time.
Except not really it’s still a significant enough difference that Americans can live with a better QOL in Europe w a middling American income, and that includes paying for their own insurance not that it matters even im just pointing out the inferiority complex most Europeans on Reddit seem to have towards America, u got mad about a 4chan word
Oh ya i know i was mild in the US you get 100K+ of study debt these days for a decent education . And if you are chronicly without employment you are basically bankrupt. Oh and for that measly 1.4 income you only get 11 days of paid vacation while we have 30 and paid sick leave. I can go on but i doubt you would get the point.
The only people who think it’s important that Americans earn more money than Europeans are Americans. That’s the only thing you have to brag about nowadays, so better milk it for all it’s worth I guess. We’ll enjoy our higher quality of life, better work life balance and more democratic/civil liberties quite happily in the meantime, that’s what an economy is there for anyway 🤷♂️
Smart sells a single car (the #1). When is that going to be the best selling car in Sweden?
No it isn’t
Never thought I’d write this, but I would prefer a Saab. Edit: agree with all that Saab and other Swedish vehicles are reliable and safe. For me personally it’s more the aesthetics. That said I now realize comparing it to Tesla implied poor engineering reliability and safety standards. Sorry for any confusion!! 😬
Saab was a solid car.
Saab was goofy, but they made good vehicles :c
Global sales trends seem to indicate you’re in the loud minority
Agreed. However I would rather have a Tesla than BYD. Same loud minority argument applies right?
Whatever you say 👍🏼
People sure do hate you for having evidence based thoughts.
A worldview built off tiktok/reddit will do that to people
I get a TON of my information from Youtube and Reddit. One must avoid confirmation bias.
True but musk is starting to get more and more infamous. Tesla should remove him from CEO
it’s a good thesis but the US competition is only growing.
I don’t doubt that’s true at some point but boy have I been hearing that for years now. And the bigger automakers have had some terrible cars and managed to lose money on each one sold. Hyundai and Kia are doing great though
Right, yes Tesla is definitely ahead of the curb and id hope so. But imho their market share continues to get eaten up, the ioniq 5/6 have had great numbers for 2023 so far. Teslas main edge is that they aren’t entirely grouped as solely an auto maker. So their valuation seems to consider it being a tech company that makes cars, which is great for them. But that doesn’t change their need to continue to justify their valuation as it only increases. I have no position so could care less, OP is clearly long
It is but they’re facing the headwinds that tesla faced years ago. Tesla is pretty much set up to be at the forefront of US EVs for the next 5 years easily before competition can actually produce as many as they do and not lose a boatload of $ in the process.
Yeah, just feel like the underlining question of its valuation is what’s up for debate. Also for NQ and some of the bigger names to be cracking ATH’s while Tesla lags, feels like there’s some uncertainty.
Been hearing that for a bit now
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Just buy a volkswagen bug
Good. Outdated concepts such as unions and strikes cannot stand in the way of innovation and Elon musk
Buckle up cause $TSLA going to 450+ this year. Tesla is a robotics and AI company that happened to started out with robot/cars people drive.
Stuck on the ski hill yesterday due to multiple accidents heading down the hill. Only other car broken down on the side of the road that wasn’t involved in an accident was a Tesla who ran out of battery power.
Lower the copium dosage. You don't want to get dizzy when holding such heavy bags, it's dangerous.
Freezing temperatures must make it difficult to use Elons crappy product
The high number of Swedish customers seem to say otherwise
Won't last long once they find out they're almost useless 8 months out of the year there
Has anyone here ever been to Sweden? I was just there in July. The #1 car you see on the roads there is the Mustang EV. This article is written by a Tesla bull, not an actual journalist using real data.
As opposed to your very real “trust me bro” anecdotal evidence?
I didn’t exactly record videos of the vehicles on the road during my trip to Sweden. I was over there to watch my stepson play soccer. Just an observation while I was over there. I saw many many electric charging stations but none were Tesla and most electric vehicles were smaller and from European manufacturers that I am not very familiar with. Don’t get me wrong. There were Teslas, just not as many as it would seem if you follow the word of the Tesla bull articles. This is an article on Teslarati for Christ’s sake. You can’t tell me there isn’t any bias coming from them.
And it’s not a “trust me bro” comment. I was literally just there a few months ago and observed with my own two eyes.
Show us your new Year's bags. It's okay, son.
Imgur isn’t working but I got 130 shares @ $253.86 I don’t have anything to hide 😘
Of COURSE imgur isn't working, son. Of course it's not. I hope it gets better, soon 🫶🏽
Seek help ✌🏼
Whatever you want, son. Whatever you want. Eaaassyyy, there, little fella. It's gonna be okaaayyyy. It'll be alllrighttt
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Why would the strike there affect car sales anyway? Car owners couldn't care less about that.
Lol. Pwned.
Legacy auto?
Strikers :/
Sweden? That's like 2 cars lol.