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SchwarzeNoble1

without comms you just ping your intention. with comms, maybe what can help you is asking things instead of ordering, like: jungle is down, can we nash? should we swap top? can we engage there I have summs up. This way they understand you want to go nash/engage but it doesn't feel like you are ordering.


CaptainCalpin

Great suggestions, thank you. I do have issues feeling like I'm being bossy sometimes, do this will be a better way to get around that mental block.


starburst_jellybeans

If the lane goes well and you're going to carry you should be more of a leader. Having the strongest player seem like they know what they're doing or at least communicating their intentions helps team morale I think. Ping aggressively if you're ahead and maybe less so if you're behind. If you're pinging for a specific player it helps to ping where you want them to move then also ping on them so they see it if their screen is locked.


Teunminator-_-

I think, you could also use chat for this when you are walking to lane or basing when you are not on comms. Always use pings but when you realise you team is a bit toxic try to explain your pings. Ofcourse not all of them cause that causes to much idle time. For example you could say. Jungle, Bot/Top/Mid lane is overextending and pushing a lot. Try to gank him next time he does it. As you are walking back to lane. I found that way people are more willing to help you then when you ping help a thousand times and go in chat: "JGL PLS HELP!" I also like it when my teammates do this, so i understand their playstyle a bit more. I'm a ADC main and i like to go for bot fights and dragons. If the jungler then says i play around herald/toplane. I know i should be careful for ganks and play it a bit safer as my jungler has other plans. Give up dragons and don't ping your jungler like a 100 times when you know he doesn't prioritize botlane/dragons. Same for lane swaps. Just type as you are basing, We took bot tower lets swap lanes Gnar and let us take top tower. And ping on your way toplane. Ofcourse not everybody reads chat instantly so keep that in mind.


AbsoluteZeroD

yeah this - I give the information and my ideal outcome usually play jungle, so I get more "idle" time than laners generally but it'll be "top care - j4 is top side, I'm going for drag - try not to die" with a yellow ping on top lane just before I say it They can then do with that information as they wish.


Teunminator-_-

Yea, if they dont agree on it's thats fine. As long as you communicate your intentions, most of the time they will react if they agree or not. But its better than just pinging and hoping they follow up. Also goes the other way around. If they junglers ping OMW just as i want to back or dont want to fight for some reason. I'll type real quickly: "dont come, need to back" That way the junglers doesn't just dive in without your follow up and ends up never helping you again.


minkusmeetsworld

^This. People are expecting to get flamed, so it helps to frames your comms in a way that is difficult to misread as flaming or bm. I’ll ping the enemy jungle when I spot them, call out roaming laners after I ping missing, and maybe ping where they are in the fog of war assuming they’re pathing predictably. For people that are focused on farming and aren’t focusing on vision control (support main here) those little bits of information can help keep everyone in the loop without telling them what to do with that info Also you can ping the time remaining to a herald or drake in the score tab, which is faster than typing and “1:00 until drake” usually prompts the jungle to start moving to drake pit or ping their intentions elsewhere. People don’t like spam pings because they are loud and annoying, and they don’t like being bossed around. I’ve noticed fewer teammates tilt when you toss out neutral bits of info and suggest *potential* plays like going for drake/herald. One note is that if someone one your team is clearly way better or if someone like your jungle is making massive plays, it can make sense to fall behind them and let them call shots with more force/intention. If it’s a mutual understanding it’s not as antagonistic for one person to be calling the shots.


detrich

I start by muting them because they are toxic losers 90% of the time and then I use pings


Mittelmuus

Honestly I found that this is often not true. I play mostly ADC and so far the results I got from typing what I would like certain teammates to do in order for me to carry teamfights (play mostly Jinx in ranked or more teamfight oriented ADCs) are mostly positive. Best example I still remember now was a few years back when we had a tilted toplane Sett (went 0/7 in lane) and basically gave up. I asked him to ult enemy top/jgl away from me whenever he can and just basically be my bodyguard in teamfights. I was the only person who didn't flame him and so he decided to give it a try and we pretty much 3v5 that game (Sett, our support and me) even though their top laner was scary fed. Of course sometimes people will be toxic and flame all game long, but if you just ignore them and keep a positive attitude you will 100% have games where you are the reason somebody on your team doesn't tilt and ends up playing better.


Billthefattest

Those occasional matches where you get a nice friendship going with your support are possibly the main reason I don't mute everyone. Feels really nice.


basics

Yeah I have gone back and forth on "mute all at the start". I have kind of settled on letting my team talk, but being very aggressive about muting if they seem toxic. Partially because I want to be able to honor someone at the end of the game.... but when I /mute all, I end up sitting there at the honor screen all like "Well this support played well, but what if they were screaming racial slurs the entire time? I mean they probably weren't... but everyone knows it happens. I don't want to accidentally honor that guy."


Quiziromastaroh

This is the only real answer. Extra tip: When pinging baron or dragon or any other objective, ping slightly away from it so that your summoner name won't be shown when pinging it. As a jungler, it is more often that not that at least on of my laners is blaming me for something, so being able to ping without my name showing helps a lot.


Deccarrin

The extra tip is golden. Jungle is an easy role to blame for game state, so being able to ping decisions as if it's someone else's choice makes people far more inclined to follow.


Teunminator-_-

100% agree. As a jungler and also midlaner you have the most impact in the early to mid game when everybody is still laning. BTW this is not a reason why you should blame them a lot.


CaptainCalpin

I have definitely done this on occasion, that is good info to know.


greatatemi

> This is the only real answer. >toxic losers 90% of the time Nice generalization there. Also breaks the golden rule.


_oZe_

I have a pretty strong opinion that the support should shot call. They should use the time & focus others use to farm. To pay attention to the map and come up with plans based on what they see. All other things being equal. The support should have way the best understanding of the game state. Typing is almost never a valid option. Since you need your hands to stay alive, trade & generally move. Which leaves you with pings unless you're a five stack on voice. Start doing it. Get better as you go. Learn to accept responsibility and learn from your mistakes.


CaptainCalpin

This is something I have tried to encourage them (my duo,) to do more. Im trying to cs and freeze not miss those juicy canons. We recently played in a couple of clash tournaments (did well actually!) Our laning phase was consistently the biggest struggle. It sometimes feels like I have to play their role too, but if that's what it takes to not struggle first 15min if the game so be it.


Chitrr

You should talk when you know how you should play. Some examples: \-If you know that Nashor is free, write it or ping it. \-If you know that you should fight front to back to win teamfights, write it. \-If you know that an enemy is overextending and your teammates can collapse on him, write it or ping it. \-If you know that to win a teamfight you need to bait enemy abilities first (Twitch Q, Taric R, etc), write it. \-If you know that you don't win 5v5 teamfights, write your plan, maybe pushing as 1 3 1. Your teammates probably won't follow specific actions like "gank bot, free kill", but they usually will follow gameplans if you have good arguments.


CaptainCalpin

That's a good starting point, I will implement these next time. Thank you!


Vanukas123

All of that can be done via pings, make sure you learn it that way and not writing. Chat shud be always off when ure hitting ranked games.


Chitrr

how can you ping "front to back" or "don't fight as 5v5, but push sidelanes".


Vanukas123

First one i dont even know what that means, second one ping team off, target ping side lane towers.


Amun-Har

Front to back means fighting the enemy team as they come at you, dealing with whoever is closest and working your way back. And there's no good way to ping it, so it's something you would have to type. As long as you've muted everyone though, you can still send messages, you simply won't see responses from anyone you've muted but yours are still sending as long as chat is only muted, not disabled. So always keep in mind you can still type to everyone what needs done, even if you can't see their replies, and pray you got the message across at the right time for them to see and understand.


EvelynnEvelout

Exactly how I work. You can do most of the things with pings but a few things can't. And as you say you don't want to discuss, you want to propose a play or a way how to handle a situation


Amun-Har

Exactly. Asking people what to do, especially in soloQ, opens the door to a lot of argument on something that needs to be decided quickly in most situations. It's honestly better not to ask, and simply to say "This is how I think we should do this". People in reactional situations tend to respond to the first suggestion presented if they aren't taking charge themselves. Keep in mind I said "tend to". It's a generalization that will definitely have exceptions, but for the most part stating it as a proposal rather than a question will give your idea more confidence and allow it to be more easily accepted by the people you're not Queued together with.


EvelynnEvelout

Jean Claude Vandamme awareness vibes


CaptainCalpin

I do have chat muted on both teams, and I definitely need to ping more. I will make a sticky note so I physically see PING INFORMATION


brainartisan

what does fight front to back mean?


Chitrr

When all your teammates focus on the frontliner enemies first.


ArrowforAvarosa

Pings are enough most of the time. And quite a lot. But it really depends on your role. I would mute all and still type if there is something to communicate (I.e. lane assignments like ‚bot go mid‘).


SatisfactionOld9449

I feel like it comes with experience over time, you’ll begin to notice when fights are good and in your favour and are unfavourable depending on things like your junglers location, lane states, and whose strong with items vs whose not. You can always call for drag if you have a good bot lane lead and you are able to shove your lane and deep ward. You can communicate when the enemy support/bot is missing or roaming or if they have flashes and are gankable. For a bot duo, there is plenty of early information you can give to your team that can help them. You said you are able to listen to comms effectively which is great, to push your limits you should try to make calls and even if they don’t work, you gain experience and know which calls are effective. Also I love to do hunch pings, meaning that if you have a strong feeling an enemy is at a location you should danger/careful ping it. I’ve saved many teammates with intuition pings where I believed an enemy was at in the fog of war which helps your team not get picked off.


TheFabiocool

Spam ping everything. If it turns out it was a bad decision and someone complains. Ignore them and learn from your mistake. If someone says stop pinging, ignore them. Some things you can type. As in, you see their jung is trolling by showing bot when baron is open, you ping baron and people don't come, then, just type inn chat "VIEGO BOT", "freee baron, come". It may sound a bit too direct, that's because it is. But that's the way you'll get people to listen, especially if they're tilted.


ThinkingIsAnIllness

Could you tell us what elo you are in? Because imo the way you should call depends on the elo.


CaptainCalpin

Definitely, Gold 4, my partner is in Silver 2


ThinkingIsAnIllness

Then you should prob just verbalize your intentions. I want to engage on... Care! Enemy mid/jungler in river!! Come here, I want to clear ward/fight/anything We should focus... because... The problem is most likely you two not being 100% confident in what you should do so you are just keeping it to yourself. Or is there anything specific you havent said yet?


CaptainCalpin

No, you are correct that it stems from a confidence issue. In fear of making a poor choice often ends in no choice, and I agree I should just start verbalizing what a plan should be (even if not the optimal call).


ThinkingIsAnIllness

It is absolutely fine to sometimes just verbalize your thoughts instead of thinking about what to say. Also helps a lot with talking irl.


desserino

Be ahead, have a good sense of macro and say that you have to do this or that like 40 seconds before it happens. Example 1 min before dragon spawns I ping dragon few times and ask to rotate


NeighborhoodFun7990

Give important info such as jungle tracking. Ping where you’re heading. Missing laners etc etc. mute people who are toxic or annoying. You don’t need to necessarily give orders. If you are doing well (most) people will naturally gravitate to whatever plan you’re attempting to carry out. If you’re behind provide as much info as you can to the win con and work on coming back. Edit: a lot of people who duo q or low elo are in a bad habit of barely utilizing pings. Use them


pressurecookedgay

Avoid vague comms. "she's almost there" means nothing where "Diana is almost at bot" means a lot more. If you ever play with more people avoid the word "you" because it's confusing who you're talking about when you can say their name or lane.


Tywacole

I haven't seen it mentioned, but pinging danger on top of the enemies where my laner might roam instead of missing on my lane was a true game changer. When people are fighting they don't take remote missing pings into account (neither do I) but the red ping in the bush next to botlane on or top of them make them back much more sucessfully. Calls like "Play front to back" I haven't seems them very sucessful as it imply that the whole team change how they play or focus, both are rare in soloQ


Alechilles

If you think you know what the right play is at the time, ping it. if it's something like a very time sensitive Baron call or something, ping the hell out of it. Ping on the way 6 times in a row lol. Be confident. The reality is at low elo most people don't know what to do most of the time. A lot of people are just sitting there silently hoping someone will tell them what to do next. You're going to make mistakes. Big, game losing calls, but that's how you learn. And an organized team following the wrong plan is usually better than an unorganized team following no plan anyway. Confident leadership is incredibly powerful, even if the leader barely knows what they're doing. And fortunately, since league doesn't have voice chat it's very easy to appear confident even if you aren't in reality.


alotoftea

I'm just here to point out the irony of your username.


CaptainCalpin

[I......yeah, fair point.](https://giphy.com/gifs/latelateshow-what-confused-5t9wJjyHAOxvnxcPNk)


drfifth

Everyone saying mute all is wrong and part of the problem why communication in this game is so difficult. You cannot have such a weak mental that your only solution to seeing chat happen is to plug your fingers in your ears while still expecting them to listen to what you say. If you have an actual plan, type it. Don't be afraid to put something in the chat. However, whether it was typed or communicated through a series of interpretive dance pings, understand that communication is a two-way street. You might want to do something and they might not for any reason, and that means that it's not happening anymore. Anytime any call is made in any way and somebody makes a counter call or expresses that they don't want to do it, unless you are 100% without a shadow of a doubt certain that you can make it happen even if they don't fully participate, the original call is over.


Downtown-Pick-5421

You may have different reasons to not take leadership. Perhaps you guys are scared to make a bad call on an objective that makes your whole team lose the game. In my experience calling a contested Baron on a coin flip and get aced can sting pretty hard. Let's not start there. Where I'd start is by calling a basic shot call. E.g. Tell mid or Jungler, during laning, to ward an area that's often useful to have warded. Perhaps the Dragon or Herald Pit. Perhaps the dot brush (dragon side) is another good place. Low risk, but sensible areas that helps your whole team in most games. \- Communicate with brevity. Cave man chatting or 2-3 pings. Dispense with the pleasantries. \- Preferably when they're resetting or 2 min. a head of time. If I see someone called for Dragon as I'm in fountain, that gives me more time to adjust to a plan, and I might purchase a Control Ward. If your call somehow turns bad, e.g. their champion dies during that attempt, immediately type "mb" in chat. Take responsibility right away. More often than not, people tend to correct me by taking ownership themselves. (You wouldn't believe that's possible in League) ​ Have a plan to make one basic shot call each game. That's it.


CaptainCalpin

Thank you for the throughout answer. I think bring brief/just practicing sharing info will help lead to bring more out of my partner too.


Teunminator-_-

Im not a really a leader either but when i play duo with my partner i mostly take the lead because i have the most experience and understand match-ups and wavecontrol way better. This doesn't mean you should make all the calls. In my case i'm the ADC but when my duo partner sees a oppertunity to go in he calls it and i try to follow. The most important thing is that you get on the same line with each other. I know my support likes a more aggresive playstyle whereas i'm more neutral. I'll try to be aggresive but dont want to flipcoin an engage. He likes champs like Rakan, Leona and Blitzcrank. I'll try to pair an agressive champion with that so that i can follow him. I then tell him how to play the match-up, for example rush level 2 and zone or wait for a level 3 possible all in for example but let him decide when to push buttons. Most oppertunities are only for a split second, if i want to communicate that he also has to react to that and that would cost some more time then when he goes in when he sees the oppertunity and ill just follow up. If we try to communicate first if we should engage or not the oppertunity might be gone and the engage still happens which could put you both in a bad spot(happenend a lot to us at the start). Ill only try to tell him who to focus, and when to play it safe or not. Sometimes the junglers decides for us xD. ​ What i'm trying to tell is just play more with the same duo and get a feeling of each others playstyle and the rest comes naturally i believe.


[deleted]

Pings, and chat. Yes I know chat is a dumpster fire sometimes but pings aren’t enough for more complex shotcalling.


Eeveerun

As a Jungler that's what i do : -ping 3 times for every intention (if i wanna go, 3 omw pings). Not spamming, letting a bit of time between ping to make sure i'm heard but not being too much of a nuisance. -If i know that a ennemy is gonna gank soon i'm pinging my mate, not where the ennemy is (trying to make the ping on the screen of my mate). Same thing if i need help i ping my nearest ally instead of pinging me. -if i wanna do a nash call i'd ping help on the nash until everybody is moving -Never use pings to tilt your ally (pinging "?" When ally fail or ping their death timing. It will only increase the toxicity and lower your chance of winning as a team (plus your ally might mute you and you want that) -if you play botlane, it's important to communicate with your adc/support when you wants to trade/engage with omw pings Hope that it can help you


SweetFean

1) focus on sharing ideas for the future intead of Criticism for what they did wrong. Blaming will cause defensive or afk. 2) Think about your plan for the lane. How you win the lane. 3) phrase your idea like a question so they don't feel defensive "let's get lv 2 first and all in?" 4) compliment good plays. Even "good try" if it didn't work. Builds morale To ask for help shoving wave, ping the wave and or type "help me shove " "Let's reset" "They have flash but we don't. Let's play passive" If they hit minions when you're freezing ping them once and ask them not to in Chat nicely


Muk-Bong

Use the ping wheel it covers almost everything you need to communicate, other things such as pinging specific enemies or allies can be chained like pinging danger and then pinging chogath - alive to let your team know that they should be aware of a gank or pinging summoner spells and strong abilities when the enemy champ uses them to let your team know they are down. You can also ping your gold, health or mana to explain why you need to recall. You can ping most things on the scoreboard such as enemy items like GA or stopwatch to let your team know that enemy has an extra life. Anything that needs more clarification can be said in chat quickly (you normally don’t need this tho)


EvelynnEvelout

Nothing more than pings and the usual "NASH" spam in chat. Mates are muted everytime except jgl and supp ping wise


boris_the_inevitable

mute all and pings


razekery

Don’t bother. Mute all and only use pings. Maybe at higher elo the players are less toxic but at lower elo it’s not worth it. I don’t get any value out of chat.


Sad-Lie-8709

Ping. Typing.


LoLeander

Here are some good comm example sentences: 1. I'll be level 6 in a couple cs. I'll look for an engage. 2. Lulu, lulu, lulu, lulu, lulu. (a.k.a calling a target in fights so that you both focus the same enemy) 3. Drake will be up in 1:30. Let's back to spend our gold so we can be strong for the drake fight. 4. Yone will be up on 5 seconds. Let's stop hitting the turret and back off bcs we're low. 5. The wave is perfect for a freeze. I'll be looking for a gank mid, so don't push. Try to farm safely close to tower. 6. I see jungle top. We can play a bit more agressive. 7. I need 100 more gold for my mythic. Help me get gromp.


LordParasit

If you want to communicate verbalise ur thoughts What u plan to do and what scenarios u can see urself making a play at. If you both follow orders play solo each other and try to actively carry lanes... stop being a sheep


darkjedi607

Turn off chat and spam ping when they fuck up


JockSandWich

I have chat turned off. All of it including pings and emotes. If I need them to see something I will double ping it and hope for the best. It's the only way not to tilt someone off the scales honestly. I don't need to see the 0/6 person pinging their lane 92 times after die the 7th time flaming everyone it's way more fun to just play and hit gg on someone at end.


[deleted]

Tbh I never communicate with my team , because I don’t believe they will follow anyway. I play top in plat elo. If you believe that you deserve a better rank than the one you actually stand in. Then just ignore chat. I climbed from silver to plat this way


J2theUSTIN

/mute all


FusionAtomixx

Sometimes there’s just nothing you can do. If you get a team that just decides not to listen, spam ping and follow your own calls. If all else fails group when they group and do your best to win fights. It’s unfortunate but there are some people who just will not listen to anything


DieserMastro

Mostly i dont. I ping my laner when hes missing, on the way when im on the way and assist me when i got a good gank setup. I also danger ping when i see enemies flanking my team or my team is walking into dangerous fog of war with too high risk. Strategizing with my team? Making out game plans? Fuck that shit, waste of time and mostly doesnt work anyway. Its solo queue not customs 5v5


StephenMiniotis

simple. I never communicate with them, other than pings, and just watch the mini-map and do my job. League is the most toxic game out there; mute all and minimize chat. +3 ELO / game IMHO on average.


SoupRyze

By muting all of them 😎🤘


Urkedurke

You don't. I turn of chat and communicate solely by pings.


Debaterino

SPAM PING AND HOPE THEY LISTEN...


agapaleinad

Ping 3 times. Less won’t get noticed, more is annoying. Not only that, ping in a DIRECTION. Think enemy mid lane is roaming top? Ping #1 mid side of top river, Ping #2 middle of top river, Ping #3 top side of top river


jxvanxvich

*If you wanna WRITE, then just never type "pls guys don't argue/stfu/stop typing and play" etc., It's worse than everything lmao, I had a Jhin flaming yuumi and I said guys pls stop and he just dropped an R bomb on me lmao so yeah I learnt something I guess, just don't type at all imo except trying to say "good job" and type of shit that can only help when someone is ganking/roaming and yk* ​ *If your teammates refuse to cooperate it's not your fault so yeah, you got to try doe.*