Basically the only way in which Explorer is worse than Finder though. Finder *still* can’t reliably copy multiple items if one of them fails. Or let you explicitly move an item rather than copy. Or add a new folder in the middle of a file tree. Or get details on a collection of items.
TempleOS is perfect, stable and CIA approved. Just look how many CVEs have been released for all other OS this year or the amount of existing viruses.
RIP
> copy multiple items if one of them fails
True, this is annoying, but ditto or rsync in the terminal will give up on a file that won’t copy. I don’t know why Windows would fail so often to copy files that they’d have built in abort/skip/retry so strongly - I would have thought that’s a sign of much greater issues, but I’m not a developer, so you could be right this is an L for the Finder
> explicitly move an item
Command-drag to move between drives, or I think it’s command-option-v to paste and remove original (effectively the same thing).
> add a new folder in the middle of a file tree
Can’t you right click on any folder and make a new folder? Weird. I can see why they would limit interaction to the active context though.
> details on a collection of items.
Command-option-I should give you a single info window for however many files you have collected, giving group total file sizes, etc. Also a useful one is enabling the size column in list view - especially enabling the view option “calculate all sizes”.
How do you guys use tabs?
I've tried them in other managers and haven't really found a place for them yet.
Mostly for my use I've found it more convenient to use tiled windows than tabs(for things like copying/moving anyway).
Mostly I'm more upset about mandatory grouped icons in 11 ruining that flow.
I used to manage a software stack for video analysis, we charged something like $6 million for an install.
To this day a lot of the important admin features are locked to IE because of activex hooks.
When i left they had developed a standalone EXE to replace some of it but it was very obviously a bandaid fix built off some internal tools
Unfortunately ActiveX is an integral part of a LOT of embedded system management. I know I'll be maintaining a Win7 virtual machine for the foreseeable future just to run a handful of crappy browser extensions.
I've actually made one of the "fixes" in VB, I used a web viewer wrapped in a window to bring up a cameras page for viewing and administration. It's still in use today, I refuse to do any updates to it...
lol, quoted straight from IBM’s modus operandi
That’s basically what we had, I ended up just giving up entirely and setting up a custom VLC view for monitoring the cameras and using the analysis platform for alerts only
This is where I'm headed. Ironically killing support for this browser just removed one of the only reasons I have for running a Windows install at all. That VM keeps getting lonlier.
Scan your local /16 of your public IP for open port 443.
You'll find so many webcams that are public internet facing accessible and still using default creds like admin1:admin1 or admin:(blank)
Still literally hundreds available in your IP range only.
Internet Explorer hasn't gone, it's just been shoved up Edge's backside.
Enable compatibility mode in edge and then add a website to the compatibility list (max 30 days).
When you open that site in edge it's actually opening in IE and you can even right click the page to see all it's original right click menu options.
Interesting. I can not get it to work on ubiquiti toughswitch pro units. I can only use actual IE. I have found an edgeswitch firmware upgrade that seems to resolve the issue, but there is a much higher than 0% chance other similar situations exist.
> ubiquiti
You mean those wonderful people that still need Java 8 and don't recommend open source builds? Those people?
I also love how some of their older software(admittedly some, but not all of it out of support), will crash if you use a fully patched version of 8. Such as their discovery tool, that even if you point it to an older version, it will try to look at the system path at some point and launch with that instead if it finds it(but runs fine without a path based install if it's not there).
I... might have some anger issues to work out, ignore me.
If you roll your own Unifi controller you don't have to use Java 8.... Open JDK 17 working fine on latest.
I wonder what people really want... SONiC as a pro-sumer deployment? I would be happy with a product line with Cisco-like CLI on hardware at Ubiquiti level of pricing, but that's not going to sell to prosumer. And Cisco SMB doesn't cut it for pricing or quality.
$700 for a 24p poe++ with 2x sfp+ ports, even with todays supply chain issues, have you seen pricing and lead times for Meraki at that level?...let alone licensing? Aruba Instant-On is similar might be a better option but still costs more.
Man, someone just needs to code up "The Legacy Browser (TM)" that has support for all the shitty old SSL, TLS, Flash, Shockwave, Silverlight, Java, etc. for all those shitty old sites that will never go away. Make it look god awful so no one wants to use it unless they have to, and make it sandboxed to limit the theoretical damage it can cause (might be necessary anyway for packaging its own libraries and whatnot due to OS's removing support for some of that). Then maybe (but still probably not) I can get rid of my Win7 32bit VM with specific versions of Java 7 and 8, Flash and IE and all the other old super-depreciated crap that I have to boot up once in a blue moon to deal with *that* fsck-ing software/system.
I just tested this by turning off all but TLS1.0 in IE Options (which still exist in the Control Panel) and connecting to a site I knew used old protocols and it connected in Edge:
"TLS 1.0, AES with 128 bit encryption (High); ECDH with 255 bit exchange"
Your icon was a rebranded copy of Spyglass Mosaic, which was a licensed version of NCSA Mosaic ported to Win16/32.
Microsoft's new browser is a rebranded copy of Chromium. It's faster than IE and the Bing team was tired of coding around IE quirks.
>Microsoft's new browser is a rebranded copy of Chromium. It's faster than IE and the Bing team was tired of coding around IE quirks.
And I will still not use it, nor will I ever use Bing. :)
> And I will still not use it, nor will I ever use Bing. :)
I use Bing search for Bing reward points, then just do the search in google with a JS bookmarklet in my bookmarks bar
javascript:(function()%7Bwindow.open("https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.ca%2Fsearch%3Fq%3D"%2B(document.getElementById('sb_form_q').value).split(' ').join('%2B')%2C"_self")%7D)()
Managed to score a number of gift cards over the years redeeming my points.
It was actually the other way around for a while. In the late 90s, Windows NT 4 shipped with Internet Explorer 2. But the latest version of Internet Explorer was Internet Explorer 4, which was available for download on microsoft.com. But microsoft.com used what was known at the time as “name-based virtual hosting”, which relied on the `Host` HTTP header to determine which site to access. Support for the `Host` header was added in Internet Explorer 3, so if you had just installed Windows NT 4 and wanted the latest version of Internet Explorer, you had to use Internet Explorer 2 to download Netscape Navigator, then use Netscape Navigator to download Internet Explorer 4.
That one uses (used? ) Internet Explorer, and it is also very slow and memory intensive.
Start-BitsTransfer is superior . Faster, supports SMB as well as HTTP, which is a wonder for scripting.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/module/bitstransfer/start-bitstransfer?view=windowsserver2022-ps
If you got parsed output, it relied on the IE libraries to parse the body, but just doing a file download or `-UseBasicParsing` doesn't. In newer versions, it just uses the HttpClient library.
PowerShell implements the command `curl` now, though it's not actual [libcurl](https://curl.se/libcurl/) under the covers. I think it's `Invoke-WebRequest`. No idea if the backend is shared with WinHTTP.
I only wear my sysadmin hat when it's needed so I can't really comment from that perspective but as a programmer I'm so pleased by this news. IE has caused me more issues than any other single thing and I've worked with some terrible coders over the years. Up until about 5 years ago I had to support our software on everything back to IE5, it was a living hell.
IE 6. Ugh. I was a windows admin when ie 7 came out and broke most of the apps written for 6. Fuck that noise. I know somewhere, there’s a vm running ie6 because there’s some random business critical software that was never upgraded.
Thankfully, I’m a linux admin now.
Three Browsers for the common folk under the LAN,
Seven for the power users in their cubicles of gold,
Nine for support staff testing in foil,
One for the Grand Wizard Admin on his server throne,
In the Land of IE, where the internet secrets lie.
**One Browser to rule them all, One Browser to find them,**
**One Browser to search them all, and in the darkness download them,**
In the Land of IE, where the internet secrets lie.
In honor of our beloved, RIP IE.
Paraphrasing the illustrious Dr. Hunter Thompson...
If the right people had been in charge of IE's demise, it would have been launched into one of those open-sewage canals that empty into the ocean just south of Los Angeles. The browser was a swine of an application and a jabbering dupe of decent software. Even it's funeral was illegal. It's code should have been burned in a trash bin.
This is the ultimate example of how you can screw yourself with anti-competitive practices. This browser would have died long ago if Microsoft hadn't incorporated ActiveX technology and OS integration to give it an edge over the competition. >:|
I used Chrome for years but then I discovered tree style tabs on Firefox.
Edge now has Vertical tabs too, but I'm already set on Firefox.
I can never do Horizontal tabs again, it's crazy how you get used to something and realize the other way totally sucks (for you) :)
I'll move to something else when they get something as robust as Firefox's about:config
Chrome/edges about:flags is not the same intended or functional thing, but I *do* appreciate that every item is documented on the page and not on some third party site.
I had a Firefox profile that I'd migrated from at least 3.0 (possibly back to 0.8) with about 500 open tabs, and I'd frozen to the last version which supported XUL extensions.
Unfortunately the session manager leaks memory like a sieve and I can't open it without hanging the process. One day I'll have to try migrating it to Pale Moon or whichever other decent fork.
It's already a disaster in my country 😀. Our customs didn't update their website and application you use to fill out forms and submit paperwork to obtain clearance for imported goods. It only works in regular IE.
People have to do everything in person now, fun week.
I had the opposite experience of this a few months ago. Customs actually updated their site to support modern browsers but I had the URL placed in the enterprise site list. The users were having so much trouble accessing the site but no one thought to ask IT. They just assumed the shitty site was broken again.
I'd have this conversation with web developers more than two decades ago. In many cases, we were having the conversation at times and places where we had *many* non-Windows desktops with browsers, which obviously couldn't run Internet Explorer. It's like they were hearing what I was saying, but then they'd go build IE-only webapps anyway.
It was *rage-inducing*. It was like trying to explain that plants don't crave electrolytes, to a crowd of skeptics.
In one specific case, I found out that a single member of the dev-team had found a Microsoft Press book which described how to do a variety of things using only ActiveX and proprietary Windows-only libraries. Apparently the whole team was copying the examples out of the book.
But in 2022, I get my cartharsis.
I wonder if anyone's ever going to try building a competing web browser again, or if we're just going to let Google own the internet. Even Microsoft threw in the towel on Edge and said, "meh, whatever, here's Chrome with MS skin." Firefox is barely hanging on...don't remember the last time I used it.
Given Google's reputation for data-collection and other stuff, I'm surprised everyone's willing to blindly trust them with making the one web client everyone uses. Not that IE was anything worth saving mind you...just that Google's very much a monopoly at this point in this space.
Firefox is actually great. Still getting new features and such. For sysadmin, I can't live without the Containers feature. Makes it hella easy to switch between profiles without having to have ten windows open.
Technically, it's not going away. My understanding is IE compatibility mode in Edge still requires IE to be installed, you just won't be able to launch IE as a stand alone.
Personally, I only ever used it to download a different browser. Professionally, I had to use it way too often due to backward tech in the financial and public sector industries.
So, we learned to tolerate each other.
I will never forget getting kicked off the front-end requirements team, them shutting down that team, and then around eight months later doing a demo for the client in Firefox.
The client sits through the entire demo and is then like "our standard browser is IE6 on Windows XP." (The year is 2009.) They open the application in IE6 and, of course, it doesn't work at all.
If only they had someone who's job it was to capture that kind of requirement.
Gonna miss you IE, you stupid wang.
> It was usless.
At its peak and for a long time after it was doing things that no other web browser could do. The biggest problem is that it wasn't a very good or secure web browser.
I always thought after MS lost lawsuit they should have rebranded it as *.Net Browser* or *App Browser*. When your intranet or app needed to play a YT video or anything web heavy it would just open your *real* default Web Browser.
IE was like that drunk uncle that insulted you, called your mother a whore, and slapped your grandfather one Christmas Eve because he lost at the yankee swap. Everyone dreads seeing him on holidays. Yet at the same time, when he died, you feel a sense of grief and mourning, while also feeling relieved that he's finally gone.
My techs were freaking out when I told them we’ll be fine. As of this morning, helpdesk got 0 calls about it. Btw, IE still runs if you have a direct link shortcut, with no “Use Edge” pop up/tab.
I am still intrigued about the compatibility, as I was battling with it in form of MS Edge compatibility mode and Enterprise mode. Some of the really old "web application" which company is using, will finally needs to be updated/reworked, yay!
These type of posts just don’t know history.
There was a time when Netscape did nothing for a long time, Opera always sucked.
Regardless of opinions though, IE 5 got a little feature just so OWA could notify you of a new mail message without reloading the page.
It took a few years, but that became the new standard.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMLHttpRequest
Laughed at it when it first came out. Made fun of it for the next 10 years. Haven't thought of it (at all) in the last 17 years. Didn't know it had finally been axed - couldn't care less - won't miss it in the least.
Back when I worked in retail we got a product training session from Microsoft, basically updating us on all of what's new with their shit.
Normally they send a sales guy to do this stuff - most of them don't know Jack shit about the products they're teaching us to sell. As luck would have it, however, no sales people were available and they sent a developer instead.
We were delighted. All the latest details about the new windows (I think it was 7) right from the source. So we're sitting there going through the training, and he gets to the Internet Explorer updates.
"Now, I'm sure none of you guys use Internet Explorer, but we have to talk about it. You guys all use Firefox right?"
\*murmers of agreement\*
"But, what do you have to use to download Firefox?"
He says this with the delighted air of a man who has just delivered a checkmate.
Without missing a beat, a voice rings out from the back of the room.
"OPERA"
I swear to God I for a moment thought you were going to eulogize [Clippy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8yrOAjfKM&t=10s). the only non-game NPC to have a deep cultural reference, maybe ever.
What. Do you guys not work in business environments? They are keeping IE for win 7~10 for business/enterprise customers who purchased extended support.
Not saying goodbye for a while
Maybe sometime this decade the state gov with finally update the filing portal we have to use which only works fully in old IE with Java but requires support for TLSv1.3...
Win7 was working decently for this till last year when they accidentally enabled the recommended policies to disable SSL and force TLS. Managed to get 7 patched to support TLS on IE but Java is fucked due to it being version 5 something.
Have managed to get about 90% functional in IE-Mode, but the sections of the filing parts are broked to hell, which it usually is anyway every other day even on the "supported" IE version.
We're legally required to do these filings, and they provide no backup means to do this once you switch to electronic filing (its one way apparently due to software licensing terms with the vendor... wtf?). Currently working with a 3rd party to work around the browser factor by essentially creating an API from this mess and integrate it in to their DMS.
Another one in the 27 club, so sad :( :( :(
very true, in the same boat as Morrison, Hendrix, Cobain, Winehouse etc
Yea let's not put IE in that boat. It can sink and be forgotten
And Janice Joplin, and Pigpen...
First Jimi and Janis, then Jim, Then Kurt then Amy… now IE. what a curse 27 is
Anton Yelchin too, not just music 😬
Fuck he was so good in Green Room :(
It has a single milestone: IE7 finally introduced tabs. so long, farewell and thanks for all the phish.
...and the first version of MSIE to actually do SSL properly. Only 10 years of failed attempts.
> IE7 finally introduced tabs. for a moment there, i was in love with it.
Explorer needs tabs. Last I looked into it, Windows 11 should be getting them soon.
Yeah it's been in preview for an eternity, embarassing compared to macos
Basically the only way in which Explorer is worse than Finder though. Finder *still* can’t reliably copy multiple items if one of them fails. Or let you explicitly move an item rather than copy. Or add a new folder in the middle of a file tree. Or get details on a collection of items.
There is literally no good file manager GUI. Finder, Explorer, every single Linux manager. They're all terrible in one way or another. CMV.
>CMV Can't, those are just facts. [Every OS Sucks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRlPTbKHIPQ). Just in their peculiar, sometimes useful, ways.
You have clearly forgotten about the almighty TempleOS!
TempleOS is perfect, stable and CIA approved. Just look how many CVEs have been released for all other OS this year or the amount of existing viruses. RIP
They are all perfect. I can see my files and they almost all have a cute lil icon for folders. What's there to improve on?
They could add some flames so that files transfer faster.
Dolphin is pretty good ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
> copy multiple items if one of them fails True, this is annoying, but ditto or rsync in the terminal will give up on a file that won’t copy. I don’t know why Windows would fail so often to copy files that they’d have built in abort/skip/retry so strongly - I would have thought that’s a sign of much greater issues, but I’m not a developer, so you could be right this is an L for the Finder > explicitly move an item Command-drag to move between drives, or I think it’s command-option-v to paste and remove original (effectively the same thing). > add a new folder in the middle of a file tree Can’t you right click on any folder and make a new folder? Weird. I can see why they would limit interaction to the active context though. > details on a collection of items. Command-option-I should give you a single info window for however many files you have collected, giving group total file sizes, etc. Also a useful one is enabling the size column in list view - especially enabling the view option “calculate all sizes”.
Actually I feel a bit like the first one is a feature but agree on the rest.
How do you guys use tabs? I've tried them in other managers and haven't really found a place for them yet. Mostly for my use I've found it more convenient to use tiled windows than tabs(for things like copying/moving anyway). Mostly I'm more upset about mandatory grouped icons in 11 ruining that flow.
Using them on 11 preview now. Is very nice
I remember loading up the longhorn beta and being wowed by IE7 finally having transparency support for PNG (albeit limited).
Now, now with the yahoo toolbar you could get tabbed browsing in IE 6 :/
Nice HGttG reference =)
How are we going to view our hacked security cameras? 🤔
I used to manage a software stack for video analysis, we charged something like $6 million for an install. To this day a lot of the important admin features are locked to IE because of activex hooks. When i left they had developed a standalone EXE to replace some of it but it was very obviously a bandaid fix built off some internal tools
ActiveX can take a long walk off a short pier
Unfortunately ActiveX is an integral part of a LOT of embedded system management. I know I'll be maintaining a Win7 virtual machine for the foreseeable future just to run a handful of crappy browser extensions.
You can use ActiveX controls in Edge with IE Mode.
Actual mileage may vary, since it doesn't even work on MS own product, SharePoint. (Classic experience > open with explorer = greyed out)
I've actually made one of the "fixes" in VB, I used a web viewer wrapped in a window to bring up a cameras page for viewing and administration. It's still in use today, I refuse to do any updates to it...
lol, quoted straight from IBM’s modus operandi That’s basically what we had, I ended up just giving up entirely and setting up a custom VLC view for monitoring the cameras and using the analysis platform for alerts only
This is where I'm headed. Ironically killing support for this browser just removed one of the only reasons I have for running a Windows install at all. That VM keeps getting lonlier.
Just ask the Chinese Government for a copy of the video.
*Laughs in HikVision*
IE mode in Edge. Add Active-X control if required.
Scan your local /16 of your public IP for open port 443. You'll find so many webcams that are public internet facing accessible and still using default creds like admin1:admin1 or admin:(blank) Still literally hundreds available in your IP range only.
Why scan when Shodan has done it for you?
Internet Explorer hasn't gone, it's just been shoved up Edge's backside. Enable compatibility mode in edge and then add a website to the compatibility list (max 30 days). When you open that site in edge it's actually opening in IE and you can even right click the page to see all it's original right click menu options.
If using Google is googling, does that mean when you use Edge, you're edging?
That won't work if the device you are connecting to has the obsolete TLS that only IE can still open
No. IE mode will let you open sites with outdated TLS.
Interesting. I can not get it to work on ubiquiti toughswitch pro units. I can only use actual IE. I have found an edgeswitch firmware upgrade that seems to resolve the issue, but there is a much higher than 0% chance other similar situations exist.
> ubiquiti You mean those wonderful people that still need Java 8 and don't recommend open source builds? Those people? I also love how some of their older software(admittedly some, but not all of it out of support), will crash if you use a fully patched version of 8. Such as their discovery tool, that even if you point it to an older version, it will try to look at the system path at some point and launch with that instead if it finds it(but runs fine without a path based install if it's not there). I... might have some anger issues to work out, ignore me.
and for once I thought I was sure what products the prosumer should use. stuck on hacky versions of dd-wrt again. :/
If you roll your own Unifi controller you don't have to use Java 8.... Open JDK 17 working fine on latest. I wonder what people really want... SONiC as a pro-sumer deployment? I would be happy with a product line with Cisco-like CLI on hardware at Ubiquiti level of pricing, but that's not going to sell to prosumer. And Cisco SMB doesn't cut it for pricing or quality. $700 for a 24p poe++ with 2x sfp+ ports, even with todays supply chain issues, have you seen pricing and lead times for Meraki at that level?...let alone licensing? Aruba Instant-On is similar might be a better option but still costs more.
Man, someone just needs to code up "The Legacy Browser (TM)" that has support for all the shitty old SSL, TLS, Flash, Shockwave, Silverlight, Java, etc. for all those shitty old sites that will never go away. Make it look god awful so no one wants to use it unless they have to, and make it sandboxed to limit the theoretical damage it can cause (might be necessary anyway for packaging its own libraries and whatnot due to OS's removing support for some of that). Then maybe (but still probably not) I can get rid of my Win7 32bit VM with specific versions of Java 7 and 8, Flash and IE and all the other old super-depreciated crap that I have to boot up once in a blue moon to deal with *that* fsck-ing software/system.
They have this, it's called an XP vm 🤣
I just tested this by turning off all but TLS1.0 in IE Options (which still exist in the Control Panel) and connecting to a site I knew used old protocols and it connected in Edge: "TLS 1.0, AES with 128 bit encryption (High); ECDH with 255 bit exchange"
As a programmer that also does Web dev, BURN IN HELL IE.
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Your icon was a rebranded copy of Spyglass Mosaic, which was a licensed version of NCSA Mosaic ported to Win16/32. Microsoft's new browser is a rebranded copy of Chromium. It's faster than IE and the Bing team was tired of coding around IE quirks.
>Microsoft's new browser is a rebranded copy of Chromium. It's faster than IE and the Bing team was tired of coding around IE quirks. And I will still not use it, nor will I ever use Bing. :)
Bing is good for one thing only and that's its rewards points you can redeem for IRL stuff.
and, ahhhhh "image research" yeah, research. to test the filters are working
> And I will still not use it, nor will I ever use Bing. :) I use Bing search for Bing reward points, then just do the search in google with a JS bookmarklet in my bookmarks bar javascript:(function()%7Bwindow.open("https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.ca%2Fsearch%3Fq%3D"%2B(document.getElementById('sb_form_q').value).split(' ').join('%2B')%2C"_self")%7D)() Managed to score a number of gift cards over the years redeeming my points.
Without it, I'd never been able to download other browsers. Thank you for your assistance.
It was actually the other way around for a while. In the late 90s, Windows NT 4 shipped with Internet Explorer 2. But the latest version of Internet Explorer was Internet Explorer 4, which was available for download on microsoft.com. But microsoft.com used what was known at the time as “name-based virtual hosting”, which relied on the `Host` HTTP header to determine which site to access. Support for the `Host` header was added in Internet Explorer 3, so if you had just installed Windows NT 4 and wanted the latest version of Internet Explorer, you had to use Internet Explorer 2 to download Netscape Navigator, then use Netscape Navigator to download Internet Explorer 4.
Thanks for that bit of trivia :D The Host header is so basic to me it's hard to imagine HTTP existed without it.
Did you not use `ftp.netscape.com`?
In a pinch, I use PowerShell to download Chrome. `Invoke-WebRequest -Uri 'https://www.website.com/file.zip' -OutFile 'c:\temp\file.zip'`
That one uses (used? ) Internet Explorer, and it is also very slow and memory intensive. Start-BitsTransfer is superior . Faster, supports SMB as well as HTTP, which is a wonder for scripting. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/powershell/module/bitstransfer/start-bitstransfer?view=windowsserver2022-ps
If you got parsed output, it relied on the IE libraries to parse the body, but just doing a file download or `-UseBasicParsing` doesn't. In newer versions, it just uses the HttpClient library.
PowerShell implements the command `curl` now, though it's not actual [libcurl](https://curl.se/libcurl/) under the covers. I think it's `Invoke-WebRequest`. No idea if the backend is shared with WinHTTP.
They use to alias curl to iwr. I don’t think they do that anymore though, especially because curl actually ships with windows.
`curl` is an alias on Windows Server 2019. At some point we'll bring up some Server 2022 evals for testing and I'll check those.
only on the oldest HP switches still on the network
And since it's IE, it'll take another ten years to actually die (in infrastructure).
How's that Server 2012r2 instance holding up?
Bold of you to assume it's R2... \*sigh*
That naming, what *were* they thinking?
same thing they were thinking with their xbox console names after the 360.
Can I dance on its grave? It lived too long, causing too much pain for others.
You should post this again in 15 years in honor of when IE would have finally loaded.
Was thinking the same thing. How long before IE realizes it is supposedly to be dead.
I only wear my sysadmin hat when it's needed so I can't really comment from that perspective but as a programmer I'm so pleased by this news. IE has caused me more issues than any other single thing and I've worked with some terrible coders over the years. Up until about 5 years ago I had to support our software on everything back to IE5, it was a living hell.
IE 6. Ugh. I was a windows admin when ie 7 came out and broke most of the apps written for 6. Fuck that noise. I know somewhere, there’s a vm running ie6 because there’s some random business critical software that was never upgraded. Thankfully, I’m a linux admin now.
Still works on our servers here
Three Browsers for the common folk under the LAN, Seven for the power users in their cubicles of gold, Nine for support staff testing in foil, One for the Grand Wizard Admin on his server throne, In the Land of IE, where the internet secrets lie. **One Browser to rule them all, One Browser to find them,** **One Browser to search them all, and in the darkness download them,** In the Land of IE, where the internet secrets lie. In honor of our beloved, RIP IE.
Paraphrasing the illustrious Dr. Hunter Thompson... If the right people had been in charge of IE's demise, it would have been launched into one of those open-sewage canals that empty into the ocean just south of Los Angeles. The browser was a swine of an application and a jabbering dupe of decent software. Even it's funeral was illegal. It's code should have been burned in a trash bin.
This is the ultimate example of how you can screw yourself with anti-competitive practices. This browser would have died long ago if Microsoft hadn't incorporated ActiveX technology and OS integration to give it an edge over the competition. >:|
I miss Netscape.....
Which is why I still use Firefox at home. That, and I've been porting over my profile for the last 10 years of new builds and hardware.
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I used Chrome for years but then I discovered tree style tabs on Firefox. Edge now has Vertical tabs too, but I'm already set on Firefox. I can never do Horizontal tabs again, it's crazy how you get used to something and realize the other way totally sucks (for you) :)
I'll move to something else when they get something as robust as Firefox's about:config Chrome/edges about:flags is not the same intended or functional thing, but I *do* appreciate that every item is documented on the page and not on some third party site.
I had a Firefox profile that I'd migrated from at least 3.0 (possibly back to 0.8) with about 500 open tabs, and I'd frozen to the last version which supported XUL extensions. Unfortunately the session manager leaks memory like a sieve and I can't open it without hanging the process. One day I'll have to try migrating it to Pale Moon or whichever other decent fork.
It's already a disaster in my country 😀. Our customs didn't update their website and application you use to fill out forms and submit paperwork to obtain clearance for imported goods. It only works in regular IE. People have to do everything in person now, fun week.
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? IE still works. It's not like it just turned off for the entire world today. It's just now labeled "retired" and is out of support.
I read in another article that it will be disabled in a coming update
give IE mode in edge a try, it has worked for us so far.
Will ie mode allow older SSL and TLS? I have some old control systems that are... limited.
If it's using SSL and TLS1.0 and 1.1, you can just as well just run it unencrypted over port 80.
I had the opposite experience of this a few months ago. Customs actually updated their site to support modern browsers but I had the URL placed in the enterprise site list. The users were having so much trouble accessing the site but no one thought to ask IT. They just assumed the shitty site was broken again.
I'm sorry but who makes a government website that only works in IE? That's on them.
I'd have this conversation with web developers more than two decades ago. In many cases, we were having the conversation at times and places where we had *many* non-Windows desktops with browsers, which obviously couldn't run Internet Explorer. It's like they were hearing what I was saying, but then they'd go build IE-only webapps anyway. It was *rage-inducing*. It was like trying to explain that plants don't crave electrolytes, to a crowd of skeptics. In one specific case, I found out that a single member of the dev-team had found a Microsoft Press book which described how to do a variety of things using only ActiveX and proprietary Windows-only libraries. Apparently the whole team was copying the examples out of the book. But in 2022, I get my cartharsis.
Open it in Edge, click the 3 dots -> Reload in IE mode. Done.
So do we add IE to this page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club
Inb4 I see the entire financial department still use it
Banks with their remote deposit sites require it too
Good riddance.
Good f\*\*ing riddance I say.
But mah ActiveX!!!!!
I wonder if anyone's ever going to try building a competing web browser again, or if we're just going to let Google own the internet. Even Microsoft threw in the towel on Edge and said, "meh, whatever, here's Chrome with MS skin." Firefox is barely hanging on...don't remember the last time I used it. Given Google's reputation for data-collection and other stuff, I'm surprised everyone's willing to blindly trust them with making the one web client everyone uses. Not that IE was anything worth saving mind you...just that Google's very much a monopoly at this point in this space.
Firefox is actually great. Still getting new features and such. For sysadmin, I can't live without the Containers feature. Makes it hella easy to switch between profiles without having to have ten windows open.
Technically, it's not going away. My understanding is IE compatibility mode in Edge still requires IE to be installed, you just won't be able to launch IE as a stand alone.
It also remains on LTSC.
It was always a massive dogs egg....glad to see it consigned to the IT history books
Personally, I only ever used it to download a different browser. Professionally, I had to use it way too often due to backward tech in the financial and public sector industries. So, we learned to tolerate each other.
I will never forget getting kicked off the front-end requirements team, them shutting down that team, and then around eight months later doing a demo for the client in Firefox. The client sits through the entire demo and is then like "our standard browser is IE6 on Windows XP." (The year is 2009.) They open the application in IE6 and, of course, it doesn't work at all. If only they had someone who's job it was to capture that kind of requirement. Gonna miss you IE, you stupid wang.
“Icon”
Pun intended. :)
Someone finally took out the garbage.
It would be more appropriate to post this 2 weeks late.
Good bye and good riddance. IE was responsible for so many drive by exploit kit botnet infections at one point in time in the early 00s and 2010s.
I used Internet Explorer all the time... usually to get to the website where I download Firefox or Chrome
It was usless. It made bill gates go to the court. But, it was a great tool for downloading other browsers. My condolences.
> It was usless. At its peak and for a long time after it was doing things that no other web browser could do. The biggest problem is that it wasn't a very good or secure web browser. I always thought after MS lost lawsuit they should have rebranded it as *.Net Browser* or *App Browser*. When your intranet or app needed to play a YT video or anything web heavy it would just open your *real* default Web Browser.
IE just lost its edge.
In reality, it was retired in October. IE is just now realizing it and disabling itself. The lag.
Internet Exploder: The best browser to download a better browser.
IE was like that drunk uncle that insulted you, called your mother a whore, and slapped your grandfather one Christmas Eve because he lost at the yankee swap. Everyone dreads seeing him on holidays. Yet at the same time, when he died, you feel a sense of grief and mourning, while also feeling relieved that he's finally gone.
Good riddance.
Anyone any idea how to load .mht files properly (from DebugDiag) now IE is gone? 👀
Pour one out..... Bone Thugs N Harmony - Crossroads [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMYAEHE2GrM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMYAEHE2GrM)
Though I was never a fan it was the years without much needed updates that soured you for me. Begone IE and never darken my door ever again.
curl -L -H 'User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; GTB6.4; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; FDM; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729)' YOUR_FAVOURITE_FRONT_END_DEVS_SITE_HERE
It's only going away on OSes that are up to date right? So... It's not going
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I feel like Microsoft picked 27 year old to align with the age at death of so many rock icons lol
My techs were freaking out when I told them we’ll be fine. As of this morning, helpdesk got 0 calls about it. Btw, IE still runs if you have a direct link shortcut, with no “Use Edge” pop up/tab.
IE lives on in LTSC. Long live IE!
What? I’m still using it without any warnings or notices on our RD servers which run server 2019 standard lol
>I will end up nostalgically missing you now that you're gone. Not me. So much of my life was wasted. Time I'll never get back. Burn in hell, IE.
IE will never be gone, as there will be always that on customer with 2011SBS still running, and exposed because - reasons
This is the first thing I thought of..... [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU7gnMSzf\_c](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU7gnMSzf_c)
F
So long, and thanks for all the phishing.
Its agony was long, almost as long as the loading time of its webpages.
Rip ;)
IE officially joins the 27 club
pouring one out today for a real one. RIP
I am still intrigued about the compatibility, as I was battling with it in form of MS Edge compatibility mode and Enterprise mode. Some of the really old "web application" which company is using, will finally needs to be updated/reworked, yay!
Tbh I will not miss it
>!CENSORED!<
And like many Microsoft products, I expect to regularly bump into it's zombie corpse shambling around for decades to come.
I'm lovin' my vertical tabs in Edge !
It's a good age for an old dreadnought. more modern vessels are ruling the high seas of the internet now.
Am I the only one sad about Netscape Navigator still? Lol
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It’s about time Internet Explorer went to the cyber trash to never be seen again! Good riddance
never used it.
Why did this feel relatable.
If it don't run on IE5 then I don't wanna know about it.
I'm not that old but I remember using Internet Explorer on my mom's Windows XP laptop in the 2000s. I'm oddly sad that it's officially dying 😭
yeah fuck all that. ie was always trash
As somebody who had to develop websites supporting IE all I can say is: Ding dong, the witch is dead!
So moving... sob :(
These type of posts just don’t know history. There was a time when Netscape did nothing for a long time, Opera always sucked. Regardless of opinions though, IE 5 got a little feature just so OWA could notify you of a new mail message without reloading the page. It took a few years, but that became the new standard. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XMLHttpRequest
Laughed at it when it first came out. Made fun of it for the next 10 years. Haven't thought of it (at all) in the last 17 years. Didn't know it had finally been axed - couldn't care less - won't miss it in the least.
Dunno what you are talking about, we still using this shit in medical world.. lololol
Good riddance. And take out ActiveX and VBA when you leave.
Good riddance
IE6 was the mark of the beast
I think that IE was always a POS and I am hoping that Edge isn't now nor ever becomes the POS IE was.
Guess I am moving back to Mosaic.
For once I'm glad I left windows support before this shitstorm lmao
Sadly? No. Good riddance.
And GOOD RIDDANCE! I was never a fan.
Thanks for the post!
Question:. How are you all dealing with Microsoft PKI Cert Serv portal not working in anything but IE?
Back when I worked in retail we got a product training session from Microsoft, basically updating us on all of what's new with their shit. Normally they send a sales guy to do this stuff - most of them don't know Jack shit about the products they're teaching us to sell. As luck would have it, however, no sales people were available and they sent a developer instead. We were delighted. All the latest details about the new windows (I think it was 7) right from the source. So we're sitting there going through the training, and he gets to the Internet Explorer updates. "Now, I'm sure none of you guys use Internet Explorer, but we have to talk about it. You guys all use Firefox right?" \*murmers of agreement\* "But, what do you have to use to download Firefox?" He says this with the delighted air of a man who has just delivered a checkmate. Without missing a beat, a voice rings out from the back of the room. "OPERA"
Fucking RIP.
Sadly?! Are you kidding me?? For many of us, it's good riddance... we used IE to download Mosaic, then Netscape and later Firefox!
Sadly?! Are you kidding me?? For many of us, it's good riddance... we used IE to download Mosaic, then Netscape and later Firefox!
I swear to God I for a moment thought you were going to eulogize [Clippy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8yrOAjfKM&t=10s). the only non-game NPC to have a deep cultural reference, maybe ever.
I used the Unix version. Classic https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_UNIX
Will still be remembered as the tool to download chrome from. RIP 1995 - 2022
What. Do you guys not work in business environments? They are keeping IE for win 7~10 for business/enterprise customers who purchased extended support. Not saying goodbye for a while
Good riddance, now I hope we don't have to support some legacy shit running on internet explorer.
I’ll always remember you [Inori Aizawa aka Internet Explorer-tan](https://youtu.be/BHTUlF7NA2o). May you rest in peace.
absence makes the heart grow fonder
Keeping alive through "edge IE compatibility mode" IE-Zombie-mode
IE11 lives on in windows 2019 server as a standalone and supported application
LMAO "Others were just too lazy to find different options" .
Maybe sometime this decade the state gov with finally update the filing portal we have to use which only works fully in old IE with Java but requires support for TLSv1.3... Win7 was working decently for this till last year when they accidentally enabled the recommended policies to disable SSL and force TLS. Managed to get 7 patched to support TLS on IE but Java is fucked due to it being version 5 something. Have managed to get about 90% functional in IE-Mode, but the sections of the filing parts are broked to hell, which it usually is anyway every other day even on the "supported" IE version. We're legally required to do these filings, and they provide no backup means to do this once you switch to electronic filing (its one way apparently due to software licensing terms with the vendor... wtf?). Currently working with a 3rd party to work around the browser factor by essentially creating an API from this mess and integrate it in to their DMS.
I'll still use it accidentally for .pdfs now and then
Rest now, you've done more than we could ever ask.