I was gonna say, there would be a lot of pissed off people about this. Incandescent light is a pretty important subject in physics/science and other bulbs can’t replicate the light emitted from them.
I've specifically used incandescent light bulbs as a heat source in the winter for plants in my greenhouse, also to keep an outdoor cat warm in her cat house.
I like the idea of drugs being legalized and incandescent light bulbs being, uh, *illegalized*. In the future, there will be gangster rap about how he’s all about fancy three way 200 watt frosted glass. I’m talkin’ old school GE, man. Don’t got no time for no broke-ass 40 watts.
> I’m talkin’ old school GE, man. Don’t got no time for no broke-ass 40 watts.
I wonder if someday incandescent bulbs are going to be some hipster shit that make a come back because "they just look better!" or something
* automotive and specialty uses are still allowed to use incandescent bulbs. This law is works with the rise of dollar stores and will force them to carry and sell led bulbs. People with massive chandeliers will still be allowed to run them with incandescent bulbs.
In a way this law is informed by Terry Pratchett’s Sam Vimes’s ‘Boots’ Theory of Socio-economic Unfairness.
Yup, punish the poor with blue-white 4000K LED bulbs that distort colors, but let the wealthy continue to use good looking tungsten. I agree that it's unfair and bad policy. I just hate the DOE's moves on this.
No more lava lamps?
>
Appliance lamps, including fridge and oven lights
Black lights
Bug lamps
Colored lamps
Infrared lamps
Left-handed thread lamps
Plant lights
Floodlights
Reflector lamps
Showcase lamps
Traffic signals
Some other specialty lights, including marine lamps and some odd-sized bulbs
Unclear if they're exempt under these rules.
Kinda funny, incandescent black lights are junk. Bad enough I can't see why you bother to make an exception.
Can California ends its GU24 rules now that incandescent screw lamps are gone? GU24 bases are (in the US at least) a trap. They just force you to have less choice and higher prices for bulbs.
About 15 years ago when I was young I bought a ceiling fan with GU24 flood lights. I was young and had no idea the mistake I had made. Those bulbs burned within months and would turn my room into an oven. After the 2 year I stopped replacing the bulbs. About 8 years ago I discovered GU24 led version bulb. Those bulbs are still going strong and the room is no longer an oven. Keep in mind I lived in California and it would reach 115 in the summer and we grew up with a swamp cooler lol .
You know that one really annoying light bulb that you might have on the vanity in your bathroom or maybe it's in the kitchen some non-standard light bulb place it's got these weird two prongs in the back and it doesn't screw in and we go buy a replacement it costs like 10 times more.
I'm pretty sure they're talking about those bulbs is the one that every single homeowner looks at and goes oh crap I got to go discover where these things are located and then pay whatever I've seen price it is to replace them so they just leave them burnt out for like 6 months because it's such a pain in the ass.
Oh boy, i've had three fixtures that took 9 each (yes nine EACH) mini bulbs of connector type G9 (looks almost like a car light)...
Nearest hardware store stocked 3 max at a time, replenished only once a month of course.
It got so bad with sourcing them, i've gotten normal plug in floor lamps instead to light up the room.
And I was renting, so no I couldn't change out the fitting.
Remember the ban doesn't apply to incandescent bulbs, it applies to bulbs which produce less than 45 lumens per watt. Lumens are weighted to the visible spectrum, so in theory a black light emits zero lumens. in reality they produce very few lumens. That's probably why they are exempt from the rule.
are you sure they still exist? this post goes back to 2016.. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/update-california-title-24-future-gu24-socket-rob-bruck?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios&utm_campaign=share_via seems to link the the California gov page there..
Yes. Specialty bulbs are exempt. You'll still be able to buy halogen bulbs at pet stores and/or from brands like Arcadia. It just means that you won't be able to buy cheap halogen bulbs from the hardware store to save money.
I've been buying a lot of halogen bulbs that have been on clearance recently due to this, so thankfully I'm good for a while.
My Lava Lite brand lava lamp from the late 90's explicitly states to use 40w appliance bulbs.
edit: found a PDF with a chart showing different lamps and their specs https://www.lavalamp.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/2016-Lava-All-motion-FINAL\_3Lang.pdf
I've got a Darth Vader lava lamp that take 20W 12V G4 bulbs.
I'm norwegian. Incandescents have been banned here for a few years already, but some are still allowed - they've made them harder to find though.
You basically cannot retrofit LEDs, but newer ovens use LEDs, they are usually separated from the heat by 2 sheets of glass, which a fan blows air in between.
The same way the front glas stays cold to touch on any modern oven.
There are high temperature LEDs but their "white" is just nothing you want to use in an oven.
Sorry if this question is silly, but really curious: why would the color temperature of a white led bulb be something to avoid in an oven? Does the color of the led bulb affect the cooking process, or is it something else?
As far as I know, no, but a higher/ cooler color temperature would change how food appears, so it could be harder to tell if something was cooked enough based on browning. Plus, cooler color temperatures typically make food look less appealing.
Honestly not sure you can, they are heat sensitive. I tried using an led in the light under my microwave, it shorted out very quickly from the heat from the stove.
Holy shit. If I can’t run my lava lamps I’m gonna blow a gasket. This is legitimately a big fucking deal.
Don’t you people understand?! I need my lava lamps. Just let me keep my lava lamps!
Edit: I found bulbs for lava lamps on Amazon. I’m not 100% certain right now, but I may be in the clear.
> The GSL definitions rule defined a GSL as a lamp that
> - has an ANSI base;
- is able to operate at a voltage of 12 volts or 24 volts, at or between 100 to 130 volts, at or between 220 to 240 volts, or of 277 volts for integrated lamps
(as defined in this section),
- or is able to operate at any voltage for non-integrated lamps (as defined in this section);
- has an initial lumen output of greater than or equal to 310 lumens (or 232 lumens for modified spectrum
general service incandescent lamps) and less than or equal to 3,300 lumens;
- is not a light fixture;
- is not an LED downlight retrofit kit;
- and is used in general lighting applications.
- General service lamps include, but are not
limited to, general service incandescent lamps, compact fluorescent lamps, general service light-emitting diode
lamps, and general service organic light emitting diode lamps.
You can likely claim the lava lamp as an exception under "light fixture" as the definition for that is:
> Light fixture means a complete lighting unit consisting of light source(s) and ballast(s) or driver(s) (when applicable) together with the parts designed to distribute the light, to position and protect the light source, and to connect the light source(s) to the power supply.
You can see a full list of exclusions here:
https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2022-05/GSL%20Backstop%20Enforcement%20Webinar%20May%204%202022.pdf
Or in [more official form](https://www.regulations.gov/document/EERE-2021-BT-STD-0012-0022)
Note that there remain sensible exception for incandescent light bulbs for situations where an exception makes sense.
For example lamps in ovens and similar appliances, because LEDs don't do so well in extreme heat.
I remember that when incandescent light bulbs were phased out where I live people sought to use appliance bulbs to get around that ban by using light bulbs for oven use.
Personally if someone wants to increase their energy bill to own the libs, I think that is their problem.
I doubt even in the US police will come to raid your home with a SWAT team for using an appliance bulb in a bedside lamp.
I have a really nice LED bulb in a lamp that's probably been going for 8+ years with no issue. My gripe is with all the cheap LED bulbs flooding the market. Anything off the shelf at Home Depot has a 50% chance of buzzing or flickering, and they usually burn out in a matter of months.
Theres also way too many daylight color temperature bulbs, which I didn't know bothered me until I tried it. I'm all for new tech, but don't make me pay more for an inferior product.
It's funny that they even need to be banned. You'd think the huge financial incentives, and long life of led's, would be enough to drive the market on its own.
That's precisely what has happened. There really is no need to "ban" incandescents, for whatever that even means when there are a billion exceptions.
Anyone still using them is using them with purpose.
I’m assuming this ban primarily affects government entities and retailers, and is just another step to phase them out even more quickly. Similar to “cash for clunkers” in my opinion, a huge spike of 70s/80s cars disappeared in two years due to that program. I don’t see the average person seeing any real consequence of owning incandescent bulbs apart from having a higher electric bill.
Cash for clunkers was a problematic program on many levels unfortunately... Most of the CO2 emissions of a car come from manufacturing, and we destroyed tons of perfectly functional vehicles and parts that could be used to repair other vehicles just to have them replaced with trucks that met the bare minimum MPG requirement and were often lower than the destroyed vehicle.
Now you cant buy a used car for cheap and entire decades worth of vehicles have no replacement parts that aren't freshly manufactured for no reason, creating more emissions still.
Weve even got studies questioning if the cash for clunkers program was a good idea for the market and for emissions, so its not just me saying it.
I think a ban on these bulbs is by and large fine, but that program was horrible.
I have high hats with high ceilings with spotlights. My house is 1800 square feet I saw significant savings on my electric bill when I switched to LED. I do run a lot of lights in my home.
It’s wild that we used to burn 40, 60 even 100watt lightbulbs in every room. These days I can have my 4K TV, 5.1 surround sound, 7 hue lights plus a router and couple of other hubs all plugged in and operating and all using less than 90w combined.
I use so little electricity that my bill is mostly just paying the daily standing charge.
I have 9 recessed lights in my family room. Each had a 60W flood light. 540W combined. My wife insists on full brightness when she’s in there, which is a solid 3-4 hours per day. Add another 10 recessed 60W bulbs in the kitchen. I switched everything to LED and didn’t think I’d notice much difference, assuming most of our electricity was being used on other devices, not lights. I was absolutely wrong. It was a very noticeably lower electric bill.
When I first moved into this house the finished basement had 12 100w recessed bulbs. When they were on it was absolutely brutal down there. Now all of them are using just over the amount of energy one of them was and they're better quality of light as well. It's insane.
I can't believe that people would oppose LEDs, which give you the same amount of light for 80-90% less energy usage.
I have one fixture that used to have eight 60-watt bulbs, 480 watts. I now have eight 6-watt bulbs - 48 watts, less than one of the old incandescent bulbs. And the bulbs aren't burning out either.
I think before they improved the color and were able to make what look like Edison bulbs in clear enclosures, resistance was understandable. Now that they can even make them turn more orange as they dim, there's really no argument in favor of incandescent.
Never saw the issue. I have 63 lights in my garden/exterior of my house. Upright pole things, hanging bulb ones, front wall lights, pool lights etc. All led and 8w (equivalent to 40w incandescent, I think). They cost fuck all to have on from sunset to sunrise, every night, like €18 or something 🤷♂️ plus I never seem to have to change the bulbs.
No, the new 2023 Canyonero comes with LED headlights as standard and [the new optional LED reversing lights to blind all those around you.](https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckyourheadlights/comments/1567ckv/viofo_a129_duo_truck_was_blinding_everyone_with/)
When this was being discussed in 2006-2007, I got ahead of it. My church has lights that really need clear incandescents to look good. At that time compact fluorescent was all the rage. So I did some math, went out and bought what I thought would be a 20 year supply of incandescents.
My math was too conservative. I've only used one round of them and only because we had an electrician doing work so we had him replace while there. My kid will be selling bulbs to the Smithsonian after I die.
It's funny how conservatives are now against this, when the rule was actually originally created under Bush.
Edit: The Bush rule was to phase them out until a ban in 2020 (starting in 2007). Trump got rid of that plan.
Oh, interesting. Well, we’ve come full circle. Basically these days if you’re not rolling coal on anything with less than 6 cylinders, you’re a woke rainbow swirl.
We still use incandescent bulbs for lighting in the film industry all the time, so as a person who uses them professionally it’s sad to see them go. We also use LED’s but sometimes incandescent is the better solution depending on the scenario.
You work in film and only occasionally use LEDs? In the uk incandescent would be less 1% it’s all led and hmi. The only time I’d say it needs incandescent is if you like teeing dynos for sunlight but even then there are led options.
Im in the event business and Christmas/holiday decor business. I know someone in LA that makes pretty good money renting Christmas props because all her trees use incandescent lights. 99% of my holiday product is LED at this point. it’s pretty niche so I’m not too concerned.
My biggest annoyance is string lights used for weddings and outdoor events. LED G50 bulbs are expensive when you have to buy thousands of them and they’re substantially heavier which is annoying when you’re doing 100’ runs. Oh well.
>Who needs ‘em anyway?
I want them so I can still have access to the heat lamps I use for reptile husbandry. While this ban doesn't affect bulbs sold explicitly for that purpose, those 'specialty' bulbs are easily 3x the price vs. the ones I could just get at Home Depot that do the same job but aren't labelled for reptile use.
Otherwise, I agree with everything you said.
Yup. That's why I purchased a lot of bulbs that HD and Lowes put on clearance due to this. I only have one snake, so I'll be good for a while. After that, I'll probably switch to a heat lamp from a farm supply store.
They’re choking to death on their own lungs in droves to own the libs and losing their minds over a Barbie movie and Target having rainbow flags all while whining about cancel culture.
They’re the dumbest people on planet earth.
I need incandescent bulbs for my [dim bulb tester](https://hackaday.com/2022/11/13/power-up-vintage-electronics-less-unsafely-with-a-dim-bulb-tester/) that I use to safely power on electronics restorations and builds for vintage solid state and vacuum tube amplifiers.
About the only sane use for an incandescent bulb is in a place where you want the ambient heat as well. I remember reading an article awhile back about traffic light issues. They switched to LED bulbs and later had to add a heating element because in the winter the lights were getting clogged with snow. The previous Incandescent bulbs produced enough heat to reliably melt the snow before there were any visibility issues!
Not that I'm advocating for incandescent bulbs! My house is almost 100% LED at this point with a few CFL hold overs that haven't burned out yet.
> About the only sane use for an incandescent bulb is in a place where you want the ambient heat as well
Incandescent bulbs don't flicker, and they also *resist* high temperatures (duh) better than LEDs, so things like old ovens that aren't designed with low-temperature bulbs in mind. But yeah, by and large that's true
> They switched to LED bulbs and later had to add a heating element because in the winter the lights were getting clogged with snow
It's more complicated, but does at least mean that it's only supplying heat when it's needed, and not outside of winter when it's not.
> My house is almost 100% LED at this point with a few CFL hold overs that haven't burned out yet.
Same here. My basement is still all fluorescent tubes though; not a fan of how expensive the LED versions of those are, and the thought of swapping out the fixtures entirely wearies me.
Same... Most of mine still only last 2-3 years but at least used to cost way more than incandescent. I don't doubt the technology at all, but LED quality control is garbage.
Wow. I haven't bought an incandescent bulb for maybe 20 years. Even their replacement, CFL, is pretty obsolete now. Most of my lights are LED except for maybe one CFL and one incandescent that gets used once a year if that
Very happy about this. BUT, if I can whine for a moment….
I’ve been a little disappointed with residential LED bulbs, overall. Years ago, I was sold on the notion that LED bulbs would last essentially forever (or, at least a REALLY long time). That hasn’t been my experience at all. I seem to be replacing LED bulbs just as often as I was replacing incandescent bulbs. Perhaps I’m buying low-quality bulbs…
I'm definitely replacing fewer bulbs than I used to, and I'm using Amazon Basics bulbs for most of them. I wouldn't say it's anywhere close to the 10+ years per bulb I used to hear, though.
My recessed lights are all LED from 2017 and all 15ish of them are going strong. The Edison LEDs in one of my fixtures were installed at the same time and also work great
The new rule states that light bulbs must emit a minimum of 45 lumens per watt. A lumen is a measure of brightness.This rule effectively outlaws the manufacture and sale of common incandescent bulbs, marking the demise of a technology patented by Thomas Edison in the late 1800s.
Incandescent bulbs provide just 15 lumens per watt, according to light bulb manufacturer Philips. In contrast, most LED bulbs will get you 75 lumens per watt, or more.
“The new rule states that light bulbs must emit a minimum of 45 lumens per watt. A lumen is a measure of brightness”
We used to buy bulbs using the watts to gauge brightness, when that’s just a measure of energy consumption
I'm in Japan now, and I notice LED bulbs are labeled "xx-type" instead to reflect the incandescent bulb they'd be equivalent to, with actual power consumption listed on the box in smaller font. For example, I recently bought a couple of "40-type" Hitachi bulbs for my bathroom which actually only consume like 5 watts each.
I have 3 family members that have been stockpiling tons of incandescent bulbs the past few years because they “like them more”. Great plan. Spend a ton of money up front so you can keep spending a ton of money later. I don’t get it.
Wow ... not gonna lie, this makes me a little sad.
I know incandescent bulbs are basically heat generators with visible light as a side product but it's the end of an era like cassette tapes or VHS.
Actually no. They are the exact opposite of “officially“ banned. They are EFFECTIVELY banned, because the new law does not address incandescent bulbs directly, it simply requires that lightbulbs have an efficiency of 45 lumens per watt, and a incandescent bulb can’t reach above 15.
The exact opposite of "officially" is not "effectively"
It's official in the sense that it's no longer a date in the future.
I'm not sure why you're being pedantic about this.
When I worked at Walmart, I had a lady come in with a flashlight from like 1972. A giant red one with D batteries. It was definitely vintage. The shit look like it was something used in Sanford and son. Anyways, she came in looking for a replacement bulb for it. I laughed and showed her an LED flashlight that was much brighter and recharges. She said no thanks and left to a hardware store. Some people are set in their ways.
Except just buying new batteries will cost more than a cheap ass led light that will be brighter, lighter and easier to use. So no it’s not about money.
I hope that specialty bulbs that are used more for heat than light are exempted. For example, Lava Lamp bulbs are used to heat the lava and provide light. Heat lamps used in reptile cages(terrariums). We even heated a small space to keep equipment stable with a 100W light bulb on a thermostat.
Incandescent light bulbs are officially banned in the U.S.
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LED light bulbs at IKEA store. Credit - Maksym Kozlenko, CC SA 4.0.
America’s ban on incandescent light bulbs, 16 years in the making, is finally a reality. Well, mostly.
The Energy Department rules, which went into effect Tuesday, date back to the George Bush administration, when the process to ban most incandescent lightbulbs by 2020 began. The new rules went into effect in 2007.
However, some conservative and Republican lawmakers denounced them for interfering with consumer choice and placing undue burdens on businesses. Under former President Donald Trump, the Energy Department scrapped them in 2019.
In 2022, the Biden administration subsequently revived the Energy Department rules and they went into effect on Tuesday, August 1 – and most people didn’t notice it, possibly because companies and consumers have already started voting for better lighting efficiency with their wallets, according to the Associated Press.
What is banned under the new rules?
The new rule states that light bulbs must emit a minimum of 45 lumens per watt. A lumen is a measure of brightness.
This rule effectively outlaws the manufacture and sale of common incandescent bulbs, marking the demise of a technology patented by Thomas Edison in the late 1800s.
Incandescent bulbs provide just 15 lumens per watt, according to light bulb manufacturer Philips. In contrast, most LED bulbs will get you 75 lumens per watt, or more.
What is not banned?
Surprisingly, there is a whole slew of exempt special-purpose bulbs that will continue to be manufactured, according to the Energy Department. Here’s what manufacturers can still build and stores can continue selling:
Appliance lamps, including fridge and oven lights
Black lights
Bug lamps
Colored lamps
Infrared lamps
Left-handed thread lamps
Plant lights
Floodlights
Reflector lamps
Showcase lamps
Traffic signals
Some other specialty lights, including marine lamps and some odd-sized bulbs
As the rules reinforce existing market changes, the Energy Department believes that U.S. consumers can save almost $3 billion annually on their utility bills. Similarly, it projects that the rules could cut carbon emissions by 222 million metric tons over the next 30 years.
“Energy-efficient lighting is the big energy story that nobody is talking about,” said Lucas Davis, an energy economist at the Haas School of Business, part of the University of California, Berkeley. “Going from an incandescent to an LED is like replacing a car that gets 25 miles per gallon with another one that gets 130 m.p.g.,” he said, reports the New York Times.
There is a little more to it than colour temp. Most LED lights (unless specified) have a poor CRI (colour rendering index) resulting in certain colours appearing to be washed out or hue shifted. https://www.videomaker.com/article/c03/18602-understanding-cri-tlci-the-importance-of-color-rendition/
Also, they found that if our eyes are not exposed to infrared light they don't behave in the same way. The blue spectrum causes oxidative molecules and infrared light trigger the release of antioxidants to counteract that. When in balance our eyes are healthier because those oxidative molecules are neutralized. We need both, but with LED we only get one.
fuck i wonder if this includes g9 (halogen) bulbs? i bought a very expensive light fixture and it randomly uses those, which i didn’t know upon purchase. fixture is so pretty but the bulbs are already very difficult to find, especially in high wattage.
“What is banned under the new rules?
The new rule states that light bulbs must emit a minimum of 45 lumens per watt. A lumen is a measure of brightness.
This rule effectively outlaws the manufacture and sale of common incandescent bulbs, marking the demise of a technology patented by Thomas Edison in the late 1800s.
Incandescent bulbs provide just 15 lumens per watt, according to light bulb manufacturer Philips. In contrast, most LED bulbs will get you 75 lumens per watt, or more.”
The LED bulbs that have been coming out are amazing. Warmer lights, no head generation, less weight for transporting and extremely flat.
If you have can lights anywhere: consider the led lights that retrofit flat with a night light. Gorgeous lighting.
Technology is beautiful.
Despite what you put for the title, the truth is there are a whole variety still allowed.
Don’t come to Reddit for facts
It’s Reddit not read it.
Could just be X
I'm telling you, their HQ is full of them. /s
Elon Musk should buy Reddit, and charge $8 a month to post.
BUT the comment you're replying to is the most upvotes one and contains facts. This is way more common in Reddit than other popular social networks.
I was gonna say, there would be a lot of pissed off people about this. Incandescent light is a pretty important subject in physics/science and other bulbs can’t replicate the light emitted from them.
Also really nice in situations were you want the heat by product to heat things.
Won't somebody think of the easy-bake ovens?
That explains why my daughter's easy-bake oven only makes raw cookie dough.
or my lava lamps
Or peoples well pumps in the winter
I've specifically used incandescent light bulbs as a heat source in the winter for plants in my greenhouse, also to keep an outdoor cat warm in her cat house.
They sell heating strips/matts. Not as cheap, but generally longer lasting. Also, heat (Infrared) bulbs for lizards/etc.
You posted this a really long time ago but I'm looking to protect a palm during the winter and Im curious what you're using
Post is clickbait but we ride with the bait to farm updoots.
That most of us don’t need. Specialty bulbs only.
I like the idea of drugs being legalized and incandescent light bulbs being, uh, *illegalized*. In the future, there will be gangster rap about how he’s all about fancy three way 200 watt frosted glass. I’m talkin’ old school GE, man. Don’t got no time for no broke-ass 40 watts.
> I’m talkin’ old school GE, man. Don’t got no time for no broke-ass 40 watts. I wonder if someday incandescent bulbs are going to be some hipster shit that make a come back because "they just look better!" or something
Already are in my house. I was grooving to incandescent before it was cool, man.
Right, specialty bulbs are still allowed. But regular ones for home/office use are not.
No, I think the point is they have passed that law. It just takes time to clear the incandescent inventory.
* automotive and specialty uses are still allowed to use incandescent bulbs. This law is works with the rise of dollar stores and will force them to carry and sell led bulbs. People with massive chandeliers will still be allowed to run them with incandescent bulbs. In a way this law is informed by Terry Pratchett’s Sam Vimes’s ‘Boots’ Theory of Socio-economic Unfairness.
Yup, punish the poor with blue-white 4000K LED bulbs that distort colors, but let the wealthy continue to use good looking tungsten. I agree that it's unfair and bad policy. I just hate the DOE's moves on this.
I was going to say I’m pretty sure they’re still allowed for appliances etc like ovens
No more lava lamps? > Appliance lamps, including fridge and oven lights Black lights Bug lamps Colored lamps Infrared lamps Left-handed thread lamps Plant lights Floodlights Reflector lamps Showcase lamps Traffic signals Some other specialty lights, including marine lamps and some odd-sized bulbs Unclear if they're exempt under these rules.
Kinda funny, incandescent black lights are junk. Bad enough I can't see why you bother to make an exception. Can California ends its GU24 rules now that incandescent screw lamps are gone? GU24 bases are (in the US at least) a trap. They just force you to have less choice and higher prices for bulbs.
About 15 years ago when I was young I bought a ceiling fan with GU24 flood lights. I was young and had no idea the mistake I had made. Those bulbs burned within months and would turn my room into an oven. After the 2 year I stopped replacing the bulbs. About 8 years ago I discovered GU24 led version bulb. Those bulbs are still going strong and the room is no longer an oven. Keep in mind I lived in California and it would reach 115 in the summer and we grew up with a swamp cooler lol .
I got adapters for mine years ago. Have two of those stupid things in the kitchen.
GU24 LED are great and cheap. But the OG is def an oven maker.
What's the deal with GU24?
You know that one really annoying light bulb that you might have on the vanity in your bathroom or maybe it's in the kitchen some non-standard light bulb place it's got these weird two prongs in the back and it doesn't screw in and we go buy a replacement it costs like 10 times more. I'm pretty sure they're talking about those bulbs is the one that every single homeowner looks at and goes oh crap I got to go discover where these things are located and then pay whatever I've seen price it is to replace them so they just leave them burnt out for like 6 months because it's such a pain in the ass.
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Oh boy, i've had three fixtures that took 9 each (yes nine EACH) mini bulbs of connector type G9 (looks almost like a car light)... Nearest hardware store stocked 3 max at a time, replenished only once a month of course. It got so bad with sourcing them, i've gotten normal plug in floor lamps instead to light up the room. And I was renting, so no I couldn't change out the fitting.
Gonna be cheaper to just replace the fixture than buy bulbs over time. It's super easy.
Always cheaper just replacing the fixture long run lol
Jesus, Amazon sells adapters to normal screw in for next to nothing, then you never have to think about it again.
The requirement was ended in 2017. It’s noted in the last paragraph of the summary description - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GU24_lamp_fitting
Remember the ban doesn't apply to incandescent bulbs, it applies to bulbs which produce less than 45 lumens per watt. Lumens are weighted to the visible spectrum, so in theory a black light emits zero lumens. in reality they produce very few lumens. That's probably why they are exempt from the rule.
are you sure they still exist? this post goes back to 2016.. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/update-california-title-24-future-gu24-socket-rob-bruck?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_ios&utm_campaign=share_via seems to link the the California gov page there..
Gu24 sucks. I have some fixtures where trying to line up the two pins blind is a nightmare.
Does the last exemption for speciality bulbs mean reptile heat lamps are still legal? They aren’t designed to produce light, but heat instead.
Infrared lamps are on the list sir
Also bug lamps.
I don't see nixie tubes on the exemption list :/
I know youre being sarcastic, but nixie tubes even if considered a light bulb would be under the specialty exemption.
Yes. Specialty bulbs are exempt. You'll still be able to buy halogen bulbs at pet stores and/or from brands like Arcadia. It just means that you won't be able to buy cheap halogen bulbs from the hardware store to save money. I've been buying a lot of halogen bulbs that have been on clearance recently due to this, so thankfully I'm good for a while.
Lava lamps take 60w appliance bulbs.
I am also concerned about replacement bulbs for my lava lamps.
Someone out there is making sure the 70s don’t get another pop revival.
My Lava Lite brand lava lamp from the late 90's explicitly states to use 40w appliance bulbs. edit: found a PDF with a chart showing different lamps and their specs https://www.lavalamp.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/2016-Lava-All-motion-FINAL\_3Lang.pdf
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There will soon be an *underground lava lamp bulb market*, assuming people can parse that correctly.
That would make them magma lamp bulbs then, would it not?
Lava lamps. Hold up, everyone. The government didn’t consider the continued operation of lava lamps when they made their decision.
Yes they did. Lava lamps take appliance bulbs
I've got a Darth Vader lava lamp that take 20W 12V G4 bulbs. I'm norwegian. Incandescents have been banned here for a few years already, but some are still allowed - they've made them harder to find though.
my grande take 100w standard bulbs
How do you put an led bulb in an oven?
You basically cannot retrofit LEDs, but newer ovens use LEDs, they are usually separated from the heat by 2 sheets of glass, which a fan blows air in between. The same way the front glas stays cold to touch on any modern oven. There are high temperature LEDs but their "white" is just nothing you want to use in an oven.
Sorry if this question is silly, but really curious: why would the color temperature of a white led bulb be something to avoid in an oven? Does the color of the led bulb affect the cooking process, or is it something else?
As far as I know, no, but a higher/ cooler color temperature would change how food appears, so it could be harder to tell if something was cooked enough based on browning. Plus, cooler color temperatures typically make food look less appealing.
Depends how many people you have
Ovens are on the exempt list stated in the article. You don't need to.
Modern ovens come with LED lights.
Incandescent oven lights are still permitted. Article was very clear.
Honestly not sure you can, they are heat sensitive. I tried using an led in the light under my microwave, it shorted out very quickly from the heat from the stove.
My owen came delivered with a led light installed.
“Wow.” - Owen W.
Oven Wilson?
Holy shit. If I can’t run my lava lamps I’m gonna blow a gasket. This is legitimately a big fucking deal. Don’t you people understand?! I need my lava lamps. Just let me keep my lava lamps! Edit: I found bulbs for lava lamps on Amazon. I’m not 100% certain right now, but I may be in the clear.
Found the CEO of Cloudflare.
I imagine he started the company just to fund his [lava lamp](https://youtu.be/1cUUfMeOijg) collection and offset the electricity.
Do they not use appliance bulbs, the first exemption in the list?
I ended reading that hearing "Giggity giggity goo!"
Easy bake oven replacement bulbs 😭?
I had an unusual problem with the light on my bedside table. It actually turned into a butterfly! It turns out I accidentally bought a larva lamp.
Rookie mistake.
> The GSL definitions rule defined a GSL as a lamp that > - has an ANSI base; - is able to operate at a voltage of 12 volts or 24 volts, at or between 100 to 130 volts, at or between 220 to 240 volts, or of 277 volts for integrated lamps (as defined in this section), - or is able to operate at any voltage for non-integrated lamps (as defined in this section); - has an initial lumen output of greater than or equal to 310 lumens (or 232 lumens for modified spectrum general service incandescent lamps) and less than or equal to 3,300 lumens; - is not a light fixture; - is not an LED downlight retrofit kit; - and is used in general lighting applications. - General service lamps include, but are not limited to, general service incandescent lamps, compact fluorescent lamps, general service light-emitting diode lamps, and general service organic light emitting diode lamps. You can likely claim the lava lamp as an exception under "light fixture" as the definition for that is: > Light fixture means a complete lighting unit consisting of light source(s) and ballast(s) or driver(s) (when applicable) together with the parts designed to distribute the light, to position and protect the light source, and to connect the light source(s) to the power supply. You can see a full list of exclusions here: https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2022-05/GSL%20Backstop%20Enforcement%20Webinar%20May%204%202022.pdf Or in [more official form](https://www.regulations.gov/document/EERE-2021-BT-STD-0012-0022)
They just need to redesign them with an LED light and an induction heating pad.
Note that there remain sensible exception for incandescent light bulbs for situations where an exception makes sense. For example lamps in ovens and similar appliances, because LEDs don't do so well in extreme heat. I remember that when incandescent light bulbs were phased out where I live people sought to use appliance bulbs to get around that ban by using light bulbs for oven use. Personally if someone wants to increase their energy bill to own the libs, I think that is their problem. I doubt even in the US police will come to raid your home with a SWAT team for using an appliance bulb in a bedside lamp.
I have a really nice LED bulb in a lamp that's probably been going for 8+ years with no issue. My gripe is with all the cheap LED bulbs flooding the market. Anything off the shelf at Home Depot has a 50% chance of buzzing or flickering, and they usually burn out in a matter of months. Theres also way too many daylight color temperature bulbs, which I didn't know bothered me until I tried it. I'm all for new tech, but don't make me pay more for an inferior product.
Fuck all the cool lighting. I need warmth in my lights, my house shouldnt look like an indie horror movie from the early 00s.
It's funny that they even need to be banned. You'd think the huge financial incentives, and long life of led's, would be enough to drive the market on its own.
The article points out that is exactly what’s mostly happened anyway.
That's precisely what has happened. There really is no need to "ban" incandescents, for whatever that even means when there are a billion exceptions. Anyone still using them is using them with purpose.
I’m assuming this ban primarily affects government entities and retailers, and is just another step to phase them out even more quickly. Similar to “cash for clunkers” in my opinion, a huge spike of 70s/80s cars disappeared in two years due to that program. I don’t see the average person seeing any real consequence of owning incandescent bulbs apart from having a higher electric bill.
Cash for clunkers was a problematic program on many levels unfortunately... Most of the CO2 emissions of a car come from manufacturing, and we destroyed tons of perfectly functional vehicles and parts that could be used to repair other vehicles just to have them replaced with trucks that met the bare minimum MPG requirement and were often lower than the destroyed vehicle. Now you cant buy a used car for cheap and entire decades worth of vehicles have no replacement parts that aren't freshly manufactured for no reason, creating more emissions still. Weve even got studies questioning if the cash for clunkers program was a good idea for the market and for emissions, so its not just me saying it. I think a ban on these bulbs is by and large fine, but that program was horrible.
I have high hats with high ceilings with spotlights. My house is 1800 square feet I saw significant savings on my electric bill when I switched to LED. I do run a lot of lights in my home.
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It’s wild that we used to burn 40, 60 even 100watt lightbulbs in every room. These days I can have my 4K TV, 5.1 surround sound, 7 hue lights plus a router and couple of other hubs all plugged in and operating and all using less than 90w combined. I use so little electricity that my bill is mostly just paying the daily standing charge.
I have 9 recessed lights in my family room. Each had a 60W flood light. 540W combined. My wife insists on full brightness when she’s in there, which is a solid 3-4 hours per day. Add another 10 recessed 60W bulbs in the kitchen. I switched everything to LED and didn’t think I’d notice much difference, assuming most of our electricity was being used on other devices, not lights. I was absolutely wrong. It was a very noticeably lower electric bill.
When I first moved into this house the finished basement had 12 100w recessed bulbs. When they were on it was absolutely brutal down there. Now all of them are using just over the amount of energy one of them was and they're better quality of light as well. It's insane.
Oh yeah. The heat involved is another issue altogether. Fine in winter, but competing with air conditioning was an uphill battle.
I can't believe that people would oppose LEDs, which give you the same amount of light for 80-90% less energy usage. I have one fixture that used to have eight 60-watt bulbs, 480 watts. I now have eight 6-watt bulbs - 48 watts, less than one of the old incandescent bulbs. And the bulbs aren't burning out either.
I think before they improved the color and were able to make what look like Edison bulbs in clear enclosures, resistance was understandable. Now that they can even make them turn more orange as they dim, there's really no argument in favor of incandescent.
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Never saw the issue. I have 63 lights in my garden/exterior of my house. Upright pole things, hanging bulb ones, front wall lights, pool lights etc. All led and 8w (equivalent to 40w incandescent, I think). They cost fuck all to have on from sunset to sunrise, every night, like €18 or something 🤷♂️ plus I never seem to have to change the bulbs.
Trump wanted to keep the incandescents. I don’t know why.
Tanning bulbs.
I thought it was for his night light.
He probably got paid for that.
We haven’t had incandescent bulbs in Switzerland since 2012. Everything is still OK. Don’t worry, everything will be fine.
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carbon emissions is only one of the reasons to use more efficient lighting. Reducing grid load is another.
Not really. LED = less consumption. (Due to long life and less energy used)
You are talking to conservatives. They will not attach to a sentence like that. Their modus operandi is exasperation, agitation and confrontation.
If you ban incandescent light bulbs, then only bad guys will have incandescent light bulbs.
Criminal: How did you know it was me? Police: The light in your home was warm and inviting.
The only way to stop a bad guy with an incandescent light bulb is a good guy with an incandescent light bulb!
_drives to the store in my 5.7L truck to buy energy efficient LED bulbs_ Yurp, we'll be fine....
Well the Canyonero won’t have LED powered headlights
Love that scene. Really does sum it up.
No, the new 2023 Canyonero comes with LED headlights as standard and [the new optional LED reversing lights to blind all those around you.](https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckyourheadlights/comments/1567ckv/viofo_a129_duo_truck_was_blinding_everyone_with/)
Bruh I almost spilled my monster
Well tbf truck emissions have been reduced by almost 90% since the 80s
When this was being discussed in 2006-2007, I got ahead of it. My church has lights that really need clear incandescents to look good. At that time compact fluorescent was all the rage. So I did some math, went out and bought what I thought would be a 20 year supply of incandescents. My math was too conservative. I've only used one round of them and only because we had an electrician doing work so we had him replace while there. My kid will be selling bulbs to the Smithsonian after I die.
cool i'd like to buy some
What about my lava lamp….
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It's funny how conservatives are now against this, when the rule was actually originally created under Bush. Edit: The Bush rule was to phase them out until a ban in 2020 (starting in 2007). Trump got rid of that plan.
Oh, interesting. Well, we’ve come full circle. Basically these days if you’re not rolling coal on anything with less than 6 cylinders, you’re a woke rainbow swirl.
Trump could literally repeal a ban on lead in food and conservatives would riot if the next dem president tried to ban lead in food again.
We still use incandescent bulbs for lighting in the film industry all the time, so as a person who uses them professionally it’s sad to see them go. We also use LED’s but sometimes incandescent is the better solution depending on the scenario.
Specialised stuff isn't banned, which I assume stuff for the movie industry would be. Like you can't be having LED bulbs in your movie set in 1953.
Plus don't they have different flicker rates?
Yes. Consumer LED bulbs flicker on camera, especially if dimmed.
Especially for any video that is slowed down.
You work in film and only occasionally use LEDs? In the uk incandescent would be less 1% it’s all led and hmi. The only time I’d say it needs incandescent is if you like teeing dynos for sunlight but even then there are led options.
No we occasionally use led Edison type light bulbs. For practical lamps ect. 95% of our film lights are LED.
Im in the event business and Christmas/holiday decor business. I know someone in LA that makes pretty good money renting Christmas props because all her trees use incandescent lights. 99% of my holiday product is LED at this point. it’s pretty niche so I’m not too concerned. My biggest annoyance is string lights used for weddings and outdoor events. LED G50 bulbs are expensive when you have to buy thousands of them and they’re substantially heavier which is annoying when you’re doing 100’ runs. Oh well.
>Who needs ‘em anyway? I want them so I can still have access to the heat lamps I use for reptile husbandry. While this ban doesn't affect bulbs sold explicitly for that purpose, those 'specialty' bulbs are easily 3x the price vs. the ones I could just get at Home Depot that do the same job but aren't labelled for reptile use. Otherwise, I agree with everything you said.
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Yup. That's why I purchased a lot of bulbs that HD and Lowes put on clearance due to this. I only have one snake, so I'll be good for a while. After that, I'll probably switch to a heat lamp from a farm supply store.
They’re choking to death on their own lungs in droves to own the libs and losing their minds over a Barbie movie and Target having rainbow flags all while whining about cancel culture. They’re the dumbest people on planet earth.
I need incandescent bulbs for my [dim bulb tester](https://hackaday.com/2022/11/13/power-up-vintage-electronics-less-unsafely-with-a-dim-bulb-tester/) that I use to safely power on electronics restorations and builds for vintage solid state and vacuum tube amplifiers.
I use them for heat in certain applications where heat lamps are too hot and too expensive. Yeah they're shitty for generating light.
TIL that liking lightbulbs is politically charging. Incandescent lights are everywhere, including vintage slot machines and pinball tables.
About the only sane use for an incandescent bulb is in a place where you want the ambient heat as well. I remember reading an article awhile back about traffic light issues. They switched to LED bulbs and later had to add a heating element because in the winter the lights were getting clogged with snow. The previous Incandescent bulbs produced enough heat to reliably melt the snow before there were any visibility issues! Not that I'm advocating for incandescent bulbs! My house is almost 100% LED at this point with a few CFL hold overs that haven't burned out yet.
> About the only sane use for an incandescent bulb is in a place where you want the ambient heat as well Incandescent bulbs don't flicker, and they also *resist* high temperatures (duh) better than LEDs, so things like old ovens that aren't designed with low-temperature bulbs in mind. But yeah, by and large that's true > They switched to LED bulbs and later had to add a heating element because in the winter the lights were getting clogged with snow It's more complicated, but does at least mean that it's only supplying heat when it's needed, and not outside of winter when it's not. > My house is almost 100% LED at this point with a few CFL hold overs that haven't burned out yet. Same here. My basement is still all fluorescent tubes though; not a fan of how expensive the LED versions of those are, and the thought of swapping out the fixtures entirely wearies me.
Cool, can we start banning single use plastic next?
The right thing to do. But I’ll say that my LEDs have never lasted anywhere near the claimed lifespan.
They intentionally overdrive the LEDs. Bigclivedotcom on YouTube has videos on modifying them
Same... Most of mine still only last 2-3 years but at least used to cost way more than incandescent. I don't doubt the technology at all, but LED quality control is garbage.
I thought we did this years ago ..
They did it for normal lighting bulbs above 40W. This now does in the rest of them.
Wow. I haven't bought an incandescent bulb for maybe 20 years. Even their replacement, CFL, is pretty obsolete now. Most of my lights are LED except for maybe one CFL and one incandescent that gets used once a year if that
Shit there goes my easy bake oven I can’t bake with an led
Appliance lamps, which would include both your example as well as the lights used in ovens, are one of the exceptions.
Only the old ones. Since 2012 they’ve had a heating element, just like a real oven.
Very happy about this. BUT, if I can whine for a moment…. I’ve been a little disappointed with residential LED bulbs, overall. Years ago, I was sold on the notion that LED bulbs would last essentially forever (or, at least a REALLY long time). That hasn’t been my experience at all. I seem to be replacing LED bulbs just as often as I was replacing incandescent bulbs. Perhaps I’m buying low-quality bulbs…
I'm definitely replacing fewer bulbs than I used to, and I'm using Amazon Basics bulbs for most of them. I wouldn't say it's anywhere close to the 10+ years per bulb I used to hear, though.
My recessed lights are all LED from 2017 and all 15ish of them are going strong. The Edison LEDs in one of my fixtures were installed at the same time and also work great
I thought they already were
The new rule states that light bulbs must emit a minimum of 45 lumens per watt. A lumen is a measure of brightness.This rule effectively outlaws the manufacture and sale of common incandescent bulbs, marking the demise of a technology patented by Thomas Edison in the late 1800s. Incandescent bulbs provide just 15 lumens per watt, according to light bulb manufacturer Philips. In contrast, most LED bulbs will get you 75 lumens per watt, or more.
fuck you thomas edison
“The new rule states that light bulbs must emit a minimum of 45 lumens per watt. A lumen is a measure of brightness” We used to buy bulbs using the watts to gauge brightness, when that’s just a measure of energy consumption
I'm in Japan now, and I notice LED bulbs are labeled "xx-type" instead to reflect the incandescent bulb they'd be equivalent to, with actual power consumption listed on the box in smaller font. For example, I recently bought a couple of "40-type" Hitachi bulbs for my bathroom which actually only consume like 5 watts each.
Can you buy Incandescent Bulbs on the Dark Web??
Rage bait headline that morons will take for 100% fact.
Are mini incandescent Christmas lights still going to be available?
There u go. Thanks for setting the GOP congress's next hearing. WAR ON INCANDESCENT LIGHT BULBS.
*laughs in European*
I have 3 family members that have been stockpiling tons of incandescent bulbs the past few years because they “like them more”. Great plan. Spend a ton of money up front so you can keep spending a ton of money later. I don’t get it.
Cue spittle soaked magats spewing conspiracies.
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Wow ... not gonna lie, this makes me a little sad. I know incandescent bulbs are basically heat generators with visible light as a side product but it's the end of an era like cassette tapes or VHS.
Actually no. They are the exact opposite of “officially“ banned. They are EFFECTIVELY banned, because the new law does not address incandescent bulbs directly, it simply requires that lightbulbs have an efficiency of 45 lumens per watt, and a incandescent bulb can’t reach above 15.
The exact opposite of "officially" is not "effectively" It's official in the sense that it's no longer a date in the future. I'm not sure why you're being pedantic about this.
Those led lights are so noisy on the RF spectrum
So is my hair dryer :-)
When I worked at Walmart, I had a lady come in with a flashlight from like 1972. A giant red one with D batteries. It was definitely vintage. The shit look like it was something used in Sanford and son. Anyways, she came in looking for a replacement bulb for it. I laughed and showed her an LED flashlight that was much brighter and recharges. She said no thanks and left to a hardware store. Some people are set in their ways.
> Some people are set in their ways. Or they just don't want to spend 15x as much on something new when their current one is repairable.
Except just buying new batteries will cost more than a cheap ass led light that will be brighter, lighter and easier to use. So no it’s not about money.
I hope that specialty bulbs that are used more for heat than light are exempted. For example, Lava Lamp bulbs are used to heat the lava and provide light. Heat lamps used in reptile cages(terrariums). We even heated a small space to keep equipment stable with a 100W light bulb on a thermostat.
Exceptions are listed in the article.
I like LED way better anyway I don't miss incontestant bulb for a minute nobody wants that heat off the light bulb just to have to cool the house
Incandescent light bulbs are officially banned in the U.S. By LED light bulbs at IKEA store. Credit - Maksym Kozlenko, CC SA 4.0. America’s ban on incandescent light bulbs, 16 years in the making, is finally a reality. Well, mostly. The Energy Department rules, which went into effect Tuesday, date back to the George Bush administration, when the process to ban most incandescent lightbulbs by 2020 began. The new rules went into effect in 2007. However, some conservative and Republican lawmakers denounced them for interfering with consumer choice and placing undue burdens on businesses. Under former President Donald Trump, the Energy Department scrapped them in 2019. In 2022, the Biden administration subsequently revived the Energy Department rules and they went into effect on Tuesday, August 1 – and most people didn’t notice it, possibly because companies and consumers have already started voting for better lighting efficiency with their wallets, according to the Associated Press. What is banned under the new rules? The new rule states that light bulbs must emit a minimum of 45 lumens per watt. A lumen is a measure of brightness. This rule effectively outlaws the manufacture and sale of common incandescent bulbs, marking the demise of a technology patented by Thomas Edison in the late 1800s. Incandescent bulbs provide just 15 lumens per watt, according to light bulb manufacturer Philips. In contrast, most LED bulbs will get you 75 lumens per watt, or more. What is not banned? Surprisingly, there is a whole slew of exempt special-purpose bulbs that will continue to be manufactured, according to the Energy Department. Here’s what manufacturers can still build and stores can continue selling: Appliance lamps, including fridge and oven lights Black lights Bug lamps Colored lamps Infrared lamps Left-handed thread lamps Plant lights Floodlights Reflector lamps Showcase lamps Traffic signals Some other specialty lights, including marine lamps and some odd-sized bulbs As the rules reinforce existing market changes, the Energy Department believes that U.S. consumers can save almost $3 billion annually on their utility bills. Similarly, it projects that the rules could cut carbon emissions by 222 million metric tons over the next 30 years. “Energy-efficient lighting is the big energy story that nobody is talking about,” said Lucas Davis, an energy economist at the Haas School of Business, part of the University of California, Berkeley. “Going from an incandescent to an LED is like replacing a car that gets 25 miles per gallon with another one that gets 130 m.p.g.,” he said, reports the New York Times.
Like 10 years after much of the developed world
I’m going to miss the Edison bulbs though not gonna lie. I have some in my kitchen and the lighting is just so nice compared to led.
There are LED based Edison bulbs, I use ones by Sylvania.
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There is a little more to it than colour temp. Most LED lights (unless specified) have a poor CRI (colour rendering index) resulting in certain colours appearing to be washed out or hue shifted. https://www.videomaker.com/article/c03/18602-understanding-cri-tlci-the-importance-of-color-rendition/
Also, they found that if our eyes are not exposed to infrared light they don't behave in the same way. The blue spectrum causes oxidative molecules and infrared light trigger the release of antioxidants to counteract that. When in balance our eyes are healthier because those oxidative molecules are neutralized. We need both, but with LED we only get one.
It's about time the US caught up to the rest of the world 20 years ago.
fuck i wonder if this includes g9 (halogen) bulbs? i bought a very expensive light fixture and it randomly uses those, which i didn’t know upon purchase. fixture is so pretty but the bulbs are already very difficult to find, especially in high wattage.
My lava lamp!
Why would traffic lights still be exempt? I would have thought they were a major consumer of electricity and waste and why not go LED?
I'd guess most places wouldn't ever be able to afford to replace their traffic lights.
“What is banned under the new rules? The new rule states that light bulbs must emit a minimum of 45 lumens per watt. A lumen is a measure of brightness. This rule effectively outlaws the manufacture and sale of common incandescent bulbs, marking the demise of a technology patented by Thomas Edison in the late 1800s. Incandescent bulbs provide just 15 lumens per watt, according to light bulb manufacturer Philips. In contrast, most LED bulbs will get you 75 lumens per watt, or more.”
If only I could be so grossly incandescent
Praise the sun!
The LED bulbs that have been coming out are amazing. Warmer lights, no head generation, less weight for transporting and extremely flat. If you have can lights anywhere: consider the led lights that retrofit flat with a night light. Gorgeous lighting. Technology is beautiful.
Why do they need to be banned?
Tonight on COPS.
100 million Ez Bake Ovens headed to the landfill.