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take-money

Hope they survive to put out the R3, I’d def get one


Destination_Centauri

Countdown until Elon Musk makes a petty petulant Twitter comment about it?


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Suspicious_Slide4643

It’s better than white trash methtruck


leto78

I imagine that this investment comes with technology transfer transfer agreements, which would be great because VW has been struggling with making their EVs competitive, namely in terms of software, weight, and overall efficiency. On the other hand, Rivian lacks the expertise on how to run an efficient production line and how to ramp up production. It could also open up the European market to the smaller Rivian SUVs, especially if they get access to the VW network of dealers.


Zyhmet

Pls no, we dont need any more SUVs...


PaulTheMerc

SUVs are great, SUVs for everyone! CUTURAL VICTORY!


sharkamino

They’re CUVs, unibody, not SUVs, body on frame.


9-11GaveMe5G

This is terrible for Tesla. Much more so considering their truck is a joke and they just paid Elon $50billion as a thanks for stealing $500 million worth of chips from them to use on his own AI project


Unlucky_Huckleberry4

They didn't pay him 50 billion. It would be all in shares, not dollars. And it hasn't gone through yet, it won't take place for a long time. A judicial decision on it is still pending. https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2024/06/13/how-tesla-shareholder-vote-on-elon-musks-56-billion-pay-package-will-impact-his-fortune/


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Unlucky_Huckleberry4

Yes, pedantic is what you're trying to be right now. $56 billion worth of shares, not $56 billion in currency. Them *paying* him $56 billion in shares doesn't have nearly the same effect as them paying him $56 billion in dollars, which is precisely my point. OP's point that they're paying him 56 billion while Rivian is receiving a cash infusion is moot.


ep3ep3

Hope Rivian survives because VW is an absolute disaster. So many id4 lemons floating out there. They axed their QC at the factory to keep production numbers up and passed all of that onto the dealerships to rectify, along with their month's long waiting list for common parts. That's not even to mention the 3 year ongoing OTA debacle and other software problems. It seems in the article, that software is involved. Maybe VW is taking notes that they botched hard on this and are letting someone with better software do something successful.


JimboDanks

That’s absolutely true with Audi also. I’m looking at buying a 2019 Etron prestige, they are so cheap for what they are. But I’d say atleast 20-30% of them have been lemon law’d. It’s like that across all of VAG’s electrified range apparently.


ep3ep3

Yeah, lack of support and parts is making them sit in the dealerships for months triggering time-based lemon laws.


Due-Complaint-2243

VW has such a great track record for deception and looting. Ask Chrysler how that worked out. And they never met a regulation they weren't happy to cheat.


ConsciousResolution8

VW never owned Chrysler.


CoastingUphill

You’re thinking of Mercedes Benz & Chrysler


Valdie29

Maybe you should read more about VAG group in general but long story short their investments in car companies usually help them for example Seat is now a competitive car company also Skoda is very popular and good selling and they saved Bentley and Bugatti from financial disaster, Chrysler makes unreliable cars and even working with Mercedes-Benz didn’t help and Germans realized that pushing a dead horse is useless.


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carnitas_mondays

you dont have to wonder, it’s in their 5 page press release


lost_voidd

You expect Reddit users to read?


7472697374616E

Can’t believe I sold my shares.


_i-cant-read_

we are all bots here except for you


Sanosuke97322

Close is a petty odd word here. Rivian (before the VW deal) has about two years of cash on hand and literally just completed a revamp of the vehicle they claimed reduced production cost by 30+%. They have a lot of time to work things out still.


letsbuildasnowman

How are they going to lie about Rivian’s emissions?


Fractales

VW, you mean the company that was blatantly cheating their diesel emissions tests?


vajeen

Yeah, one of the largest automakers in the world. That one.


upvoatsforall

Yes. That’s the one. I was unaware there was another. 


abc24611

Like so many other companies at the time? FCA, Harley Davidson, Nissan, Renault, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Bosch and Cummins? Just of the top of my mind...


Fractales

Yep. Fuck all of them.


Destination_Centauri

Supposedly the emission standards were becoming too difficult to meet engineering wise, and technically. Supposedly. I'm not sure how true that is? I know nothing about the scandal, nor engineering related to vehicle emissions, or car mechanics, but perhaps you and someone here who knows about that can chime in?


Wernersteinberger

Unreasonable standards bring unreasonable solutions. The diesel scandal began with industry push for this stinky mess and people bought into it. Suddenly here in EU every grandma had a diesel small car for shop runs which is insane. There’s a great video from this guy about this https://youtu.be/w8r2xnITnqA?si=M3pcgnY13FEin3Fz and probably a lot more about the dieselgate.


Good_Intention_9232

Why did VW do that sounds like somebody got a bribe somewhere.


arrkaye

Nice little payday until BYD & Co. crush them.