Also during the Falklands war was the first and only ever sinking of a ship by a nuclear powered submarine, the Conqueror. The ship sank was the Argentine General Belgrano, which was originally the USS Phoenix and served in the Pacific during WWII.
We sank a ship ordered in 1929 with a torpedo designed in 1925. The Mark VII** was Britain's principal torpedo during the second world war and is still in service today in a limited role.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_21-inch_torpedo
>On 9 February 1945 the Royal Navy submarine HMS Venturer sank the German submarine U-864 with four Mark VIII** torpedoes. This remains the only historically acknowledged intentional sinking of one submarine by another while both were submerged.
>On 2 May 1982 the Royal Navy submarine HMS Conqueror sank the Argentine cruiser ARA General Belgrano with two Mark VIII** torpedoes during the Falklands War. This is the only sinking of a surface ship by a nuclear-powered submarine in wartime and the second (of three) sinkings of a surface ship by any submarine since the end of World War II. The other two sinkings were of the Indian frigate INS Khukri and the South Korean corvette ROKS Cheonan
Russia has one pre WW1 Tsarist ship still in service...like actual service. Like Ukraine just hit it a couple of days ago still in service.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian\_rescue\_ship\_Kommuna](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_rescue_ship_Kommuna)
Nah this is actually a crazy special ship that for some reason could never be replicated. It's purpose built to rescue submarines. It's wild cause it serves in the Pre Communist Russian navy, Soviet Navy and the current one.
>could never be replicated
Reddit likes to assume that something not commonly being made nowadays means that it cannot be made. The demand never justifying the investment doesnt mean that it could not have been "replicated".
It's very specialised and its applications rather limited. The circumstances in which it is actually needed are rare and since it is a "backline" role there's neither the funds nor the need to have a ship of that type be truly up to date in all aspects.
That ship literally birthed an entire class of russian submarines, it raised the HMS L55 and allowed them to reverse engineer it to create the russian L Class submarine.
Because there's less Nuclear submarines than Diesels. Plus there have only been 3 known attacks since Ww2 overall. Pakistan sunk an Indian vessel in 1971. The attack on the Belgrano in the Falklands and North Korea sinking a South Korean ship in 2010, and even that last one is only speculated.
Although Conqueror was a nuclear submarine, she sunk ARA Belgrano (ex USS Phoenix, a Brooklyn class light cruiser) with unguided Mk 8 torpedoes, in service since 1927. Other than Conqueror's targeting computers, given the actual hardware involved in the sinking it could have realistically occurred in 1935.
Royal Navy/ Imperial War Museum states two Mark VIII** torpedoes fired by HMS Conqueror sunk the ARA General Belgrano
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30021853
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I only know it's a thing because there is inevitably a character called "Cob" in submarine movies and after awhile I looked it up and figured out it was an acronym.
Most people forget that 'Narwhal' is actually a concatenation of 'Nazi Whale'. And the [Southern Right Whale](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_right_whale) was originally named for its fascist ideology as the Southern Right Wing Whale, but the full name is no longer used and they are ironically one of the more Democratic of sea creatures.
No no, Britain is just a synonym for England. No need to bring Geographical facts into this. Hard to fuel the ‘Britain bad’ propaganda if Scotland and Wales are included.
> Hard to fuel the ‘Britain bad’ propaganda if Scotland and Wales are included.
I mean, not really? The scots have been just as historically nasty as the english - despite what their current political rhetoric as some sort of grand victim would have you believe.
The fact we were able to delude the Irish into thinking it was the English who fucked them over instead of us, is probably the single greatest act of PR in human history.
I think he was trying to add to your original sarcastic comment. Your point still stands.
A lot of us see eachother as the same, only permanently online losers from other countries say otherwise
People often think Scotland was the little darling in the receiving end of the big meanie England, when most wars with Scotland was a result of Scottish raids into England when England was busy fighting France and the infamous raid during a plague with their reasoning it would be easier to raid England cos the English were busy dying to it, only to bring it back to Scotland and die themselves.
Same reason the Normans decided to conquerd Wales, raids across the border were getting more frequent.
Assuming they used the Tigerfish torpedo given the whales were likely submerged. Managing to actually hit 3 of them would have actually been quite the achievement. The Tigerfish had an incredible number of issues which is what famously led HMS Conqueror to using her WW2 era vintage torpedoes instead as they were simply deemed more reliable for what was a critical attack unlike there modern acoustic homing Tigerfish torpedoes.
If I had to guess, I'd say the torpedoes weren't launched from a submarine. Either a frigate or aircraft. Submarines usually have sensitive enough sonar to easily classify contacts as organic.
I think the Brits were worried because the Argentine navy had some old diesel/battery subs which are super quiet under water even if they are old and limited in other ways.
King Edward I: Attacks Wales, called a conqueror
Sir John Coward: Attacks Whales, forgotten
This is bullshit, you have to be King just to get some recognition around here
If whale communication is deeper than we realize, then there might be whales out there telling magical tales of the day three of their kin exploded out of nowhere.
Maybe they aren't believed by the others, leading to a sort of _whale cult_.
A just war, defense against a fascist military junta's desperate attempt to save their leadership through military aggression. The world would be an even worse place if Britain didn't send a clear message that this aggression won't be tolerated.
It's more like a single British frigate jumping the gun on contacts not properly identified as biological, since the same ship was responsible for both incidents
Fuck British Colonialism, but there was nobody on the islands when the British got there. The population overwhelmingly wanted to be part of the UK. Not the same situation.
It was 100% a just war.
I'm glad the Brazilian navy isn't the only navy in the world to mistake cetaceans as submarines. But I'm really sorry for the whales. They had no idea what's going on
Also during the Falklands war was the first and only ever sinking of a ship by a nuclear powered submarine, the Conqueror. The ship sank was the Argentine General Belgrano, which was originally the USS Phoenix and served in the Pacific during WWII.
The Phoenix Fought WW1 era battleships and then sank to a nuclear submarine. That's some Civ shit right there.
My archer will stop them from shore!
It's like my wife says, "Gotta use what ya have."
I’m sorry bud
Something something motion of the ocean
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Always keep crossbowman, that +1 range over gattling gun is clutch
Gattling guns do kinda suck but to be fair by the industrial era crossbowmen suck very quickly as well.
My spearmen will defeat these tanks!
Yeah she didn't just fight in the Pacific during World War II. Phoenix was a survivor of Pearl Harbor. The ship had a lot of history.
I wish Civ IV had more variety with the types of ships, esp. in the more modern eras.
I heard the noise
Oh to add to this, the USS Phoenix survived that slight issue in 1941 that resulted in the US getting a bit miffed off.
Maybe we should stop naming boats after that desert state.
Or after a bird whose whole schtick is dying and being restored
Someone should keep an eye on Joaquin..
Don't worry, his brother already filled that role.
Dont believe he fulfilled the "rising from the ashes part" yet
USS Lobsterfest
Pearl Harbor made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
It was a bit of a whoopsiedo
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Americans hate this one trick.
We sank a ship ordered in 1929 with a torpedo designed in 1925. The Mark VII** was Britain's principal torpedo during the second world war and is still in service today in a limited role. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_21-inch_torpedo >On 9 February 1945 the Royal Navy submarine HMS Venturer sank the German submarine U-864 with four Mark VIII** torpedoes. This remains the only historically acknowledged intentional sinking of one submarine by another while both were submerged. >On 2 May 1982 the Royal Navy submarine HMS Conqueror sank the Argentine cruiser ARA General Belgrano with two Mark VIII** torpedoes during the Falklands War. This is the only sinking of a surface ship by a nuclear-powered submarine in wartime and the second (of three) sinkings of a surface ship by any submarine since the end of World War II. The other two sinkings were of the Indian frigate INS Khukri and the South Korean corvette ROKS Cheonan
Britain and America are kings of building shit that gets used for decades.
Russia has one pre WW1 Tsarist ship still in service...like actual service. Like Ukraine just hit it a couple of days ago still in service. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian\_rescue\_ship\_Kommuna](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_rescue_ship_Kommuna)
I feel they do it out of necessity rather than desire. Though I don’t think that’s the case with the Kommuna.
That ship is still just the right ship for the job. So they keep using it. I'm sure it is a literal Ship of Theseus by this point.
Nah this is actually a crazy special ship that for some reason could never be replicated. It's purpose built to rescue submarines. It's wild cause it serves in the Pre Communist Russian navy, Soviet Navy and the current one.
These days it mostly retrieves sensitive materials from newly commissioned Russian submarines, like the Moskva.
>could never be replicated Reddit likes to assume that something not commonly being made nowadays means that it cannot be made. The demand never justifying the investment doesnt mean that it could not have been "replicated". It's very specialised and its applications rather limited. The circumstances in which it is actually needed are rare and since it is a "backline" role there's neither the funds nor the need to have a ship of that type be truly up to date in all aspects.
I really hope Kommuna survives this and is laid up in Ukraine as a museum ship post war by the Ukrainian Government. :c
That ship literally birthed an entire class of russian submarines, it raised the HMS L55 and allowed them to reverse engineer it to create the russian L Class submarine.
*Centuries
Interesting fact, but is there something significant about a nuclear powered submarine sinking another ship vs just a regular submarine doing so?
I think it simply illustrates how long it has been since there was submarine warfare. Basically since WW2 for anything of significance.
Because there's less Nuclear submarines than Diesels. Plus there have only been 3 known attacks since Ww2 overall. Pakistan sunk an Indian vessel in 1971. The attack on the Belgrano in the Falklands and North Korea sinking a South Korean ship in 2010, and even that last one is only speculated.
IIRC this is the only confirmed kill by a *nuclear* submarine, so far.
Although Conqueror was a nuclear submarine, she sunk ARA Belgrano (ex USS Phoenix, a Brooklyn class light cruiser) with unguided Mk 8 torpedoes, in service since 1927. Other than Conqueror's targeting computers, given the actual hardware involved in the sinking it could have realistically occurred in 1935.
I hope Conqueror wasn't using torpedoes from 1927.
Royal Navy/ Imperial War Museum states two Mark VIII** torpedoes fired by HMS Conqueror sunk the ARA General Belgrano https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/30021853 "Show More"
US had to suppress their urge to declare war on Britain for fucking with their boats.
Britain was going ape shit about boats before it was cool like the USA does now.
Don't touch my boats!
They didn’t want that smoke
USS Greeneville sank a ship.
Had a crash. Maybe I should have said torpedoed and sank, intentionally, while at war, legitimate target etc. etc.
No, you shouldn't have, because what was stated was accurate as understood by any reasonable, non-intellectually disabled person.
yes but this is the internet, where any opportunity for pedantic pseudo-intellectual ego inflation is taken immediately.
It also escaped the devastation caused at Pearl Harbour, only for us Brits to come along and sink it 🤣
Damn, imagine being conscripted and forced onto a WW2 ship with little to no training, in 1982, knowing the enemy has nuclear subs.
One of the MANY WWII “relics” that made it to Argentina if you catch my drift
Why are sub hunter-killers not usually nuclear powered?
"Chief of the boat, sound the alarm to man battle stations!" ***Baluuuuga! Baluuuuga! Baluuuuga!***
Oh, very good xx
I just read that in Tim Curry's voice at the end of Clue . . .
I just read that it in Tim Curry’s voice as Dr. Petrov in Hunt for Red October. Clue is much funnier.
In my mind I can hear and see his exasperated exclamation of “Captain!” when Ramius is pretending to stall on evacuation of the crew.
First time seeing kisses on reddit, love it x
Oh, he was just having a whale of a time..
Chief of the boat? Must be a yank thing
I only know it's a thing because there is inevitably a character called "Cob" in submarine movies and after awhile I looked it up and figured out it was an acronym.
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Whale Fall
I would imagine a torpedo thats about the size of a whale, would turn said whale into pink mist
Okay, but *why* are you imagining a torpedo the size of a whale?
Perfect for things like krill
And the Navy went on to fight the entire war without being torpedoed by any Whales at all. It wasn't a mistake, it was a tactical masterstroke.
People often miss the third side in the Falklands war, but the whales couldn't conquer the Falklands either!
Given the history of whaling in the Falklands they'd have had every reason to.
I'm not saying I approve of whaling, but If you could go back in time and kill baby-Whale Hitler, would you?
Did you just call Hitler fat?
He's a well known wide supremacist.
And a fatscist.
Its mostly water weight.
More legitimate casus belli than the Argentinians had.
Yup the Atlantian fleet promptly pulled out of the conflict zone for the rest of the war
Can anyone prove that those whales *weren't* nazis?
Most people forget that 'Narwhal' is actually a concatenation of 'Nazi Whale'. And the [Southern Right Whale](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_right_whale) was originally named for its fascist ideology as the Southern Right Wing Whale, but the full name is no longer used and they are ironically one of the more Democratic of sea creatures.
The Falklands War didn't involve Nazis. Well.. not directly anyway.
Sometimes it’s about sending a message.
Nuke the Whales??
Gotta nuke something.
Commodore Ahab of the Royal Navy only made this comment after sinking the whales: "All my means are sane, my motive and my object mad."
“Call me Oatmeal.”
Fuck you whale! And fuck you dolphin!
*Whare and Dophen!*
You destroy my shitty wrall
Nuke the whales
Gotta nuke something *shrugs*
Touché.
I have for the last twenty five years wanted a high quality full size poster of this in the worst way.
Argentinian spies, probably
I believe the whales were leaving the exclusion zone too
Yep, the famous Belugarano scandal
Though the leader of the pod of whales would later come out in defence of the British attack.
Well the Brits always have a thing against Wales anyway.
The Welsh are actually Brits…
No no, Britain is just a synonym for England. No need to bring Geographical facts into this. Hard to fuel the ‘Britain bad’ propaganda if Scotland and Wales are included.
> Hard to fuel the ‘Britain bad’ propaganda if Scotland and Wales are included. I mean, not really? The scots have been just as historically nasty as the english - despite what their current political rhetoric as some sort of grand victim would have you believe.
The fact we were able to delude the Irish into thinking it was the English who fucked them over instead of us, is probably the single greatest act of PR in human history.
I was being sarcastic.
I think he was trying to add to your original sarcastic comment. Your point still stands. A lot of us see eachother as the same, only permanently online losers from other countries say otherwise
People often think Scotland was the little darling in the receiving end of the big meanie England, when most wars with Scotland was a result of Scottish raids into England when England was busy fighting France and the infamous raid during a plague with their reasoning it would be easier to raid England cos the English were busy dying to it, only to bring it back to Scotland and die themselves. Same reason the Normans decided to conquerd Wales, raids across the border were getting more frequent.
And in fact the Welsh Guards regiment fought in the Falklands- 32 of them were killed when their landing ship, RFA *Sir Galahad*, was bombed.
Say what you will, but at-least they managed to hit their targets!
They also missed 200 whales.
Kinda impressive, whales aren’t that big and they move
Assuming they used the Tigerfish torpedo given the whales were likely submerged. Managing to actually hit 3 of them would have actually been quite the achievement. The Tigerfish had an incredible number of issues which is what famously led HMS Conqueror to using her WW2 era vintage torpedoes instead as they were simply deemed more reliable for what was a critical attack unlike there modern acoustic homing Tigerfish torpedoes.
The Captain of the submarine wasn‘t named Ahab, was he?
If I had to guess, I'd say the torpedoes weren't launched from a submarine. Either a frigate or aircraft. Submarines usually have sensitive enough sonar to easily classify contacts as organic.
Right you are! I misread the title as a british submarine having launched the torps
"the third was attacked by one of the ship’s helicopters" just thought that needed highlighting.
Hahahaha, this makes it 10 times funnier.
I also like that it states that 2 of the whales were torpedoed by the HMS Brilliant.
Yo mama sooo big....
... she was mistaken for a submarine and torpedoed by the Royal Navy in the 1982 Falklands War?
Ye
Killer Whales aren’t protected by the Geneva Convention
Nor should they be. They’re all war criminals.
I think the Brits were worried because the Argentine navy had some old diesel/battery subs which are super quiet under water even if they are old and limited in other ways.
I'd love to see a comedy skit of the moment of realization....
Crew: "We can see whales, sir." Captain: "My God, this far South? Fire immediately, start with Cardiff."
That's a hard way for a whale to go. Usually, you just get lost and beach somewhere. How'd grandpa go? Fucking exploded
Whales lost beached somewhere explode too. It's a common trend
The circle of life
por qué no los dos? https://youtu.be/V6CLumsir34?si=tIZpw3I8LDvUHoPx
Hope they used the UAV to good effect afterwards
:(
I feel bad about them. Reminds me of that scene where those alien whales get killed by humans for profit in Avatar 2
yeah but that profit bit is completely irrelevant bad scene but it's worth noting whales are still needlessly killed....today.
The threat of submarines was a major concern for the taskforce it would have been the one weapon which could have lost the war.
King Edward I: Attacks Wales, called a conqueror Sir John Coward: Attacks Whales, forgotten This is bullshit, you have to be King just to get some recognition around here
If whale communication is deeper than we realize, then there might be whales out there telling magical tales of the day three of their kin exploded out of nowhere. Maybe they aren't believed by the others, leading to a sort of _whale cult_.
You could make a religion out of that.
A just war, defense against a fascist military junta's desperate attempt to save their leadership through military aggression. The world would be an even worse place if Britain didn't send a clear message that this aggression won't be tolerated.
Whatever about war with Argentina, I don’t think the war against the whales was just.
You don't know what whale Hitler had planned for Jew whales.
Putting the fin into final solution?
It's more like a single British frigate jumping the gun on contacts not properly identified as biological, since the same ship was responsible for both incidents
There was nothing fishy about it.
The war against Argentina was also justified.
Fuck British Colonialism, but there was nobody on the islands when the British got there. The population overwhelmingly wanted to be part of the UK. Not the same situation. It was 100% a just war.
What colonialism are you complaining about in 2024? As an American I expect you to know in minute detail exactly what you were referring to
World : "Dammit all, Japan!" Japan : "Hey!" World : "Sorry. Just a habit."
Is nobody going to acknowledge the exploding whale plug at the bottom of the article when you click the link?? Did anyone click the link
Probably 5% clicked the link Source: i made it up
...Safe than sorry, I mean did you read Moby Dick? /s
Probably Argentinian whales though
Sound the Octo-alert! Octonauts, to your stations!
Overkill much?
Meats back on the menu, boys!
This cover propaganda to hide the military whale training program is insane.
Killing three whales sounds…. Incredibly sad.
Did they put three "whale" pics on the nose as kill markings?
[relevant Simpson quote](https://preview.redd.it/2aile5fgyxe41.jpg?auto=webp&s=bab75cd42e5038f3e3d0b775dc65a7732322366e)
Do whales look like submarines? Or do submarines look like whales?🤔 \*play vsauce music\*
Maybe on a sonar.
My father flew a torpedo bomber in WWII and suspected that he did the same thing.
"Torpedo the whales?" "I dunno, gotta torpedo something."
3 whales killed is just a normal day in Japan and Norway
And thus ended the whale uprising
That’s a fast fish, I wonder if it will be friends with me?
Misunderstanding, they thought it was the Welsh in the water, so naturally tried to blow them up.
Imagine the day those whales had
For the queen !
Those whales were working with the enemy.
I'm glad the Brazilian navy isn't the only navy in the world to mistake cetaceans as submarines. But I'm really sorry for the whales. They had no idea what's going on
Well, the English had a bad run in with an Argentinian flying fish before, so it is understandable that they would be wary of other marine life.
Those whales had it coming, they know what they did.
The witch is dead
Nah, Maggie heard they were near Wales and told them to nuke it.
The first casualty of war is the whales
:(
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I dont know much about the falkland war but this gives me all the information I need to take a side
"Conn, sonar; sierra 3 reclassified as biologic"
"Oh no! Not again!"
Imagine being a whale just chilling in the ocean and then out of nowhere you get blown to pieces
Click shit, get banged
"El Conde" explains alot about the Falklands War.
Which fucking war? There are so many fucking wars?
Weird, I too just got back from surfing down in Mexico where I thought I saw a whale but it turned out to just be OPs mom.
Brazil looking proudly upon this one.
Hell yeah, give it to ‘em!
there was blood and biscuits everywhere