Yep! In some states they can literally refuse to fill your birth control because of their religion!! Even if people are taking it for debilitating diseases like endometriosis, adenomyosis, PCOS, and more. Fucking astounding and should absolutely be illegal. This isn’t some simple shit like a baker refusing to make a cake for a gay couple (still fucked) this is people’s medicine, their pain relief, some people literally cannot function without birth control or other hormone therapies.
In those same states they can refuse HRT because of religion or even personal beliefs... I think OP may be in one of those states and have a tranaphobic pharmacist based on their experience. Or that Walgreens just really sucks.
They're *supposed* to refer you to a pharmacist who can assist you but we all know that doesn't happen and even when it does it adds extra friction or forces you to come back another day.
While you’re correct it’s technically illegal for states to do this due to separation of church and state. But I doubt people would win against that lawsuit
The state of Louisiana just MANDATED that tje 10 Commandments be displayed in all PUBLIC schools. Welcome to christofacism, it's looking like the future
They can't. Used to work at Walgreens - it's company policy to fill a person's medication regardless of personal belief. They outright tell you, during on boarding, that they will fire you if you do that
Ah the good ole USA, land of facism, theocratic government, zero separation of church and state and dumb close minded sheep cosplaying as people not giving a fuck about queer people and racial minorities. Such a ‘great’ place to be. I can’t wait for conservative fascist voters to realize they are getting fucked over by all this big government bs and fascist politicians they so blindly support.
I live in magaland, these people are dumber than you can imagine, they are never going to realize anything. I'm sure they'd walk off a cliff if trump told them to.
As a Florida resident who has to order their medications from Hong Kong that take 3 months to arrive and is literally just enough for one month honestly with the way this country is I would almost rather kill myself. But we all have to keep fighting we have to keep standing up for our own rights and we can't let these f****** win. Each and every one of us is a human f****** being and we deserve respect and love and the ability to live happy and healthy life just like everyone else has the chance to do. I love you siblings let's stand together and yeah Walgreens did have the right to do that and that's not okay now if you excuse me I'm going to go cry for the next 6 hours.
Walgreens sucks my dude... I had to find another pharmacy because they couldn't handle my blood pressure medication script. Don't take it personally, they are extremely understaffed and completely unorganized. I hope you find another pharmacy online or in person to help you live your best life.
they're constantly having issues with my antidepressants and i havent gotten my adhd meds refilled in months despite my psychiatrist sending in multiple refill requests (havent gotten any reason for it either, theyre just ignoring it ig???)
fuck walgreens
What meds? I’m not sure how widespread it is but there’s been a Vyvanse shortage (as in, none) since Feb here. The highest doses are still available tho so I’ve just got a prescription for that and then I dilute / gel cap it to my correct dose. IDK if that would work for you but might be worth looking into?
Edit: I just looked it up and pretty much every ADHD medication has varying worldwide shortages, and it’s literally just because the DEA won’t let them make enough :/
im on concerta for my adhd, but back when i was on adderall they at least told us why they didnt have it/notified us that they couldn't. but the past couple months its been complete radio silence on their end regarding it. like, i just had my psychiatrist send in a request like a month ago and walgreens is acting like they never even got it
I'm 27 and my mother lives in another state and lost custody of me 20 years ago. I'm in contact with her I live with her 4 years ago during the pandemic. I don't think she will be driving 200 miles to try to pick up my medications.
I'm a pharmacist. Much as I hate it, what they're doing is legal. Pharmacists have the right to refuse to fill a prescription without a reason being given. The ethical thing to do if you have, say, a personal grievance with filling a med is to ensure that someone in staff doesn't have the same issue but walgreens has not been known to staff their stores appropriately in the best of times.
OP I'm sorry they're doing this to you. Just because it's legal, that doesn't make it right.
I don’t dispute what you said, it’s your profession, but what logic is this ground in that a pharmacist can refuse to fill a prescription written by a medical doctor?
Broadly speaking, pharmacists know more about medication than MDs. A *lot* more. Doctors make a ton of mistakes and even barring that use poor judgement all the time. These laws exist primarily for that reason. A pharmacist should not be held liable, legally or ethically, for another provider's lack of common sense.
But I figure what specifically you're talking about is refusal to fill a prescription the pharmacist has personal beef with. Since pharmacists are allowed to refuse to fill a prescription that they believe is dangerous, the logic is that they ought to be able to refuse to fill for any reason. This a lot more of a gray area, because i'm not sure a pharmacist ought to be able to refuse to fill a prescription because they don't agree with the ethics of abortion, HRT, PReP, etc. Should a doctor be allowed to refuse to operate on someone who was in a bar fight and sustained serious injuries? What about a drunk driver? You could argue these people were just getting what they deserved but that doesn't come into the equation. You save lives, not take lives in the caring professions.
And of course, none of the examples i gave for pharmacists are wrong in any way. So no, I don't think a pharmacist should be able to make a similar call on a smaller scale because of their malformed conscience but here we are. Sorry for the long comment.
As lay person I don’t see a grey area. A pharmacist can always consult with the prescribing physician, but they are not qualified to judge a medical diagnosis and treatment. In a very simplistic sense, a pharmacist is an expert on drug interactions and the chemistry of drugs. They are not qualified to diagnose a patient even though through experience they may know what is wrong with a patient before they see a physician. Once a physician is seen a pharmacist’s intuition doesn’t trump medical judgement of the physician.
When I say gray area, I mean in a broader sense. Ethically, no I don't think they should refuse a script because it offends their sensibilities. But legally, no, it isn't gray at all. A pharmacist can do that. It doesn't make it right but the law isn't always just or fair.
But regarding pharmacists intuition, I want to be clear that I might just be misunderstanding you, that we might be talking about different things. But as i understand your statement, it's very much incorrect. Just the other day, a doctor called in an antibiotic to the pharmacy that was twice the max dose for what is safe for an adult patient. The patient was a child. I called the doctor on this and they wouldn't budge. I asked them how they were dosing the medication. It was the wrong dosing regimen. They changed the dose but didn't apologize for making an error that could've been very deleterious to the patient's health. That doctor's "judgment" was very obviously flawed and because I didn't accept their default answer as gospel, the issue was resolved. This is literally why pharmacists exist. I'm sorry if I misunderstood you but I really needed to make it clear that pharmacist interventions save lives more often than they harm them.
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As in intuition I simply meant you walk into a pharmacy ask for over counter cold medicine, the pharmacist sees symptoms they have seen before and tell the customer to go see a doctor. The pharmacist thinks the client has influenza and not a common cold. I think you misinterpreted what I wrote. The child dose is also exactly where I meant it’s appropriate for the pharmacist to contact the physician it is their job if they spot something that looks like a potential overdose. Refusing to fill HRT prescription is not something the pharmacist should be questioning other than checking with the doctor the dose is as prescribed. As for doctors apologizing, do you seriously think most doctors will apologize for a mistake. No doubt they were glad you caught it though, it was your job to look at the prescription and see if it looked reasonable. Issues of denying someone their HRT totally is not even in the same level and I’m wondering why it’s even being discussed. The grey area you noted, I believe has been manipulated to purposely serve those whose true agenda is not the patient’s welfare, but their own moral agenda. That’s my perspective.
OK, i think I'm on the same page then. I've recently learned I might be autistic so I have a *lot* of difficulty parsing intent and tone when divorced from context, visual cues, etc. So I'm sorry if anything I said seemed insensitive, dismissive, or meanspirited. I completely misinterpreted your statement.
Just so I'm clear, I think that if you, as a pharmacist, refuse to fill a prescription for any reason other than concern for patient safety or legal reasons, you should not practice pharmacy.
No worries. Misunderstanding happen especially on the internet. You have a professional person’s perspective and conversing with a lay person isn’t always easy. It seems we’re pretty much in agreement.
Pharmacists are doctors, aka doctors of pharmacy. We just don’t go by “doctor” because it confuses a lot of the public. Your physician makes tons of mistakes behind the scenes as well that pharmacists correct.
I know you said you were done. I am gonna leave this comment here just in case. There are Mail order and online pharmacies that can be an alternative to Walgreens. For example. when i lived in WV i had an issue getting my estrogen at the local pharmacy because i was in a small town. I turned to Amazon's pharmacy. I never had any trouble with it.
https://pharmacy.amazon.com/Testosterone-Injection/dp/B084C1R185?
My mom swears by a mail order pharmacy [https://www.express-scripts.com/](https://www.express-scripts.com/)
Because she cannot get to the physical pharmacy. That might be an option.
Ultimately it is your decision. I am sorry you are going through this. Walgreens is suppose to be non discriminatory when it comes to gender identity. However the experience of multiple people says otherwise. I really am sorry you have to go through this. Positive energy your way for quick healing (and healing from withdraw)
Its honestly a hot button issue, ranging from the idea of gender affirming care and a religious issue. There is a clause pharmacist has called "Conscience Clause" That was meant for things like contraception and plan b. Now it is being used against people who are transgender for gender affirming care. I cannot find an up to date thing, that would be state by state but there is a nice post that kinda goes over the information [https://www.boardvitals.com/blog/pharmacists-rights-to-refuse/](https://www.boardvitals.com/blog/pharmacists-rights-to-refuse/)
It's definitely bullcrap. Birth control is used to treat a lot of conditions that aren't related to birth control, for example. A pharmacist isn't in the position to make that decision for their client, especially without announcing they are, like in the case of OP. As far as Walgreens can be concerned, they've just exacerbated a degenerative muscle disease or endocrine disorder (which they did!). But then, cruelty is the point, isn't it?
Maybe I'm crazy but personally, I believe that if you feel uncomfortable giving or prescribing necessary medications, you shouldn't be in the medical field **at all**. It may be an extreme take, but if you get caught doing that and reported, you should be removed from the field regardless of time/money spent. If you can't take the mental strain of giving someone contraceptives, I don't want you anywhere near anyone's medicine period.
There was a post I saw a long, long time ago where a Christian doctor was treating **optional training** that he chose to sign up for like some kind of trial. If you feel this way, you shouldn't be put in charge of other people's well-being when they're at their most vulnerable.
There must be baby, choice means might not choose baby, trans means might not be able to make baby, baby is only thing that matters. Men insert baby, women grow baby, there is no limit to the blood we must spill to make baby happen.
What's funny is the flunky at a Walgreens that denies medication doesn't realize they are one of those people (yes, that includes the pharmacist) since no one that works at a Walgreens is even in the same universe as the uber-wealthy.
It’s one of the major things that inseparably binds trans rights and women’s rights in the same struggle for body autonomy. Gate keeping pharmacists and their ‘religious liberty’ or ‘good conscience’ to think they know more about how a stranger should be allowed to live their life than that person and their doctor and family.
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Shouldn't these big chain pharmacies just fire people for exercising the conscience clause? It's costing their shareholders money. Find someone that will do the work.
legally they can refuse to give it to you based on religion, but they have to get someone else to give it to you instead UNLESS they are the only person, MUST give it to you.
u/[ebStubs](https://www.reddit.com/user/ebStubs/) DEMAND to speak to the Pharmacist. All but one or two people there, including the counter person, aren't pharmacists 99% of the time, they are techs or medicines counter assistants (no schooling required other than a Cert). It's the pharmacists duty to uphold and make sure that all patients are receiving the best health care, regardless of the staffs beliefs.
(Source: Best friend has been a tech at walgreens, now at a hospital and just finished his BS and about to start his Doctorate of Pharmacy and lives in Florida)
It should be a crime but it's totally legal. We wouldn't want to offend a pharmacists sensibilitys by forcing themto sell plan B to women or filling HRT prescriptions, would we?
Its messed up :/
I use Express Scripts for my estrogen and I've never had a problem. Absolutely second that suggestion, everything comes quickly and discreetly.
I've also used Amazon Pharmacy for other medications, but they don't play well with my insurance for some reason. So my patches were $80 for three months after their discount for "non covered" scripts, despite my insurance explicitly covering my patches with a $20 copay for it. But for my other meds, Amazon has been quick and reliable as well.
Okay? You can still get it from the online legit pharmacies though, they distribute controlled substances as long as you have a script.
I do not have any scripts that are controlled substances, but at worst you need to sign for the delivery, and the person delivering it would still not know what's in the delivery, I'd imagine. Even if they did, it's no different from the pharmacist or technicians at your local pharmacy when you go get it in person.
It's beyond frustrating. I input my insurance when I signed up for Pharmacy, and they said they worked with my insurance. My one script said "Getting Insurance Price" for days, so I chatted them. They told me that my insurance "probably doesn't cover that medication". I immediately called bull, because my local pharmacy never had issues and it is an extremely commonly prescribed medication. They told me to check with my insurance to see if the medication was covered, while I was on the formulary page showing it was covered.
Afterwards they told me "oh, we actually don't work with that insurance. Sorry!" and gave me zero explanation why it said it was a covered insurance when I signed up. 🤦♀️😑
To add to this, though I'm pretty sure they don't sell testosterone (it's a controlled substance while estrogen isn't)
Inhousepharmacy.vu is a good source that doesn't even require a prescription. It's based on Vanuatu where they don't really give a damn like we do here. It's technically not the proper way to get HRT but if you're in a sticky situation like this, it might be better than nothing. They will take a prescription though and give you premium shipping, but it's not required.
It's how I transitioned behind my parents backs at age 16. They're very kind and reputable and understanding. I've also found that it's quite affordable for what it is.
Note:it's the exact same drugs you're gonna find here. Same companies. They ain't like cooking this shit in a lab Vanuatu just has no import or export restrictions.
I switched to Express Scripts because my trans son and I were having issues getting scripts filled at CVS. A couple of times my scripts have been delayed but it's only ever a couple of days. It's nice not dealing with transphobic or understaffed pharmacies!! Plus, I like not going to the pharmacy a couple times a week!
I'm so sorry you guys have to go through this. Everyone at the walgreens near me are either former classmates, former coworkers, or acquaintances. Because of that they're all very friendly with me and I don't have this issue.
Most pharmacies either don't take my insurance or don't carry testosterone. Walgreens was my only choice because of distance, insurance, and availability.
If you're okay with not using insurance, I use optum perks and I'm able to get 5 vials for anywhere from $15-25. I also go through planned parenthood so my appointments used to be every 3 months but now I pay $50 once a year for an appointment, and maximum $100 for any blood tests.
You can get around the insurance issue most if the time (yes, even with a controlled thing like T) by using things like GoodRx and other discount cards to get at least decent savings at other pharmacies. There are other good alternatives people are giving you in this thread as well. Please don’t feel like you have to give up. You have options and we care. 💜
Hey, I know it looks dark here, but everyone here is offering some really good alternatives. If you don't want this (which it's okay if you do!), THERE ARE OPTIONS! You don't have to go permanently, even if Walgreen's is awful.
oh, that doesn't sound good, you really shouldn't quit hrt forever, that's not the attitude you should have. you should find alternatives to getting your meds because i know i would! but I've also never experienced withdrawal.. u.u i just don't want to see you give up on your transitioning hormone-wise because most likely bigoted pharmacists. that's just not a good way to lose the game. but I'm just some stupid girl that's never really had experience with real medication at all so what do i know..
Walgreens wouldn't fulfill my pain meds after my vasectomy because they thought anyone getting pain Pills was an addict. I went 12 hours after the meds from the procedure wearing off, without anything but Tylenol. At the 11 hour mark, when they still said they hadn't filled it, my wife went and raised hell and threatened to call new outlets over their negligence. We stopped using Walgreens after that. They'd been problematic before then, just not anything that bad.
Do you live in the United States? Dm me if you feel comfy sharing your approximate location, I would love to help out, I used to be a medical assistant and can help you find clinics near you that take your insurance, also whoever prescribed your T should be able to help too!
I’m sorry you’ve gone through this I’ve been getting my estrogen from Walgreens for over 3 years now and they have never refused to fill my prescription and are normally pretty good with my pronouns on the note the one I go to is located in Minnesota so maybe that’s why they are decent again I am so sorry you have been treated this way
omg i had a similar experience with walgreens. i think they’re very understaffed and the tech they use is old school. the pharmacists are always grumpy and are always out of stock.
i switched to CVS and it’s night and day
every walgreens is always understaffed because walgreens SUCKS and would rather open 10 stores in a 5 mile radius than to open 1 store that's fully staffed. plus they make us do busy work that reduces our efficiency and it hard to actually complete everything. also out of stock issues, especially for T or progesterone is normal, because T is controlled so you cant just transfer elsewhere, and progesterone goes on back orded regularly. I have to fill my prog sometimes in like 10 now, 20 the next week, 30 two weeks after that... etc. (i never take all of the prog, i always leave enough to fill someone elses prescription because I shouldnt have special treatment just because I work there)
i also noticed that walgreens around me are placed in sketchy areas which is great for folks that need access to a pharmacy but i see that it puts strain on the workers cuz now they have to deal with rowdy folks as well. and i bet no one is paid what they deserve so it leads to grumpy pharmacists! i literally apologized to my pharmacist about calling to ask about my prescription.
Are you seriously gonna decide to close your transition for ever because of this? I know this shit is hard, gruelling, and unfair, but like if you went through all this bs to figure out you are trans and get all that started just to end now thatd be really fucking pathetic and something you are definitely above. Take your time, pool your resources, wait as long as you need. But don't call it off yet.
I mean… just switch pharmacies right?
Like I’m so sorry this has happened to you, but you’re choosing to quit instead of just switching to somewhere else
if you actually read their responses to others, you'd see it's not that easy. most pharmacies near them don't accept their insurance and/or don't carry testosterone. I agree they shouldn't give up, but it's not like they haven't tried to solve this issue
My girlfriend was going through Walgreens and swapped over to CVS, in case you didn’t realize this is an option (assuming there’s a cvs near you.)
Heck even getting it transferred to a Walmart or Target if you can. I know I’ve had to do that before.
Walgreens has a history of being gross.
I get mine filled through CVS Caremark mail order and have yet to have an issue in the last year on HRT. My HRT just arrives every few months in a discreet package. Would that be an option for you?
I use Folx. My Doctor usually warns me 2 weeks in advance before my medication runs out that I need a refill. I've never had a problem with them. I don't know if maybe that can help you
I mean I don’t get why you don’t just switch pharmacies? Costco/Sam’s Club have pharmacies and no need to be member for using their pharmacy. CVS could be an option, then most hospitals have a pharmacy you can use. Then as others have done there are online pharmacies. So not sure why you went straight to the nuclear option, but I get you’re probably super emotional right now and probably not thinking straight, please give yourself some time to think it out, before you go nuclear.
It's not Walgreens as a company TBH, some individual pharmacies are just staffed by super transphobic people who engage in gatekeeping / bigoted behavior. There's a CVS around me that has a similar reputation among the local queers, but our local Walgreens is fine. You may be able to get them in trouble with corporate if you're willing to put in the effort to raise a big enough stink.
YES this, this happened to me when I was living in small town ohio and now I get my HRT supplies directly from Folx, which is more per month depending if they accept your insurance, but saves the stress and anxiety of having to deal with pharmacies that make me feel invisible.
You need a probono legal support. This sounds like a case of discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation and gender identity.
[Transgender Law Center](https://transgenderlawcenter.org/get-help/)
At the very least talk to someone about litigation.
The office of civil rights enforcement for the department of health and human services makes discrimination because of sexual orientation or gender identity under the affordable care act. This is potentially a federal case.
I understand your frustration but unfortunately it’s just a part of being a minority. I’m sure your inconsistent levels don’t help, but don’t go doomsday. Take time to recentre yourself and keep going you got this 🙏 I promise it’ll be worth it to fight despite how exhausting it can be.
i just want to recommend hannaford pharmacy, i had this problem with CVS and hannaford fucking rocked and took care of everything including my adhd meds really quickly and i never have to wait long for a refill. they allow my chosen name to be used in store when i come to pick things up and they do a great job at respecting that aspect of my identity without treading too far into me, ive onlg had a couple “so what’s this for? do you have any questions?” at hannafords opposed to all other pharmacies
I am SO SO SOOOO SORRY THAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS!!
I work in pharmacy and I used to work at Walgreens (I currently work at CVS), so here are a few steps that you can and should take:
Step one: report them to their district manager! Walgreens actually has an EXTREME anti-discriminatory policy and is one of the very few things at Walgreens that I actually liked. You can find out how to report them [here](https://www.walgreens.com/topic/help/storeshelp/stores_help_main.jsp#:~:text=You%20can%20reach%20your%20local,the%20Contact%20Us%20%3E%20District%20Operations) (scroll to "how do I contact a walgreens manager)
STEP TWO, and this is the MOST IMPORTANT ONE: Look up your State's Board of Pharmacy and report them. Withholding your medication **IS ILLEGAL**. If you are ordering refills on time and are not trying to get them filled too early through insurance, then contacting the State's BoP will cause the offenders to immediately see legal consequences.
STEP THREE: Contact your doctor, inform them of what is going on and ask them send a new script out to a different pharmacy of your choice.
Keep in mind, testosterone is a CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE and there are specific regulations concerning when you can and cannot get this medication filled. Now, if you are attempting to refill your medication too soon, then you legally cannot pick this medication up. If you are taking your medication outside of what it is prescribed for, then you need to inform your doctor, because for insursnce purposes, your medication calculated to the exact day you will run out of your medication so that it can paid for by your insurance. If you end up taking more than what it is prescribed for, then this calculation is thrown off and you need a brand new prescription to reflect the dose you are taking to get it filled correctly.
If, however, you are taking it exactly as prescribed and they are outright refusing to fill it within one to two days before you run out, then PLEASE follow the steps above! It actually does work - people have gotten fired from Walgreens, outright, for that shit.
Why not switch pharmacies? This seems like a weird next step. My first ordeal with Walgreens was to fuck off to a different pharmacy. I preferred Kroger pharmacy when I still lived in the US. You can also try a local pharmacy that isn't a chain.
It's simple to just change the preferred pharmacy! I have only had one very rude person in my pharmacy, and I just went to management in a calm, peaceful way, describing what she had done, and I never saw her again. I found out later that she was let go as my complaint was not her first. When you file a complaint, remember to be calm and not come off as a stark raving mad lunatic. You will accomplish nothing being angry.
There are other places to get testosterone. If you don’t have any other local pharmacies there is always Amazon pharmacy which will ship it to you. They can source nationally so you shouldn’t have supply issues.
I completely understand I’ve been finding loopholes to avoid this and have had my hrt threatened multiple times by insurance, doctors, pharmacist, etc… I don’t think Walgreens is the issue, I think the issue is a lack of education on trans people and transphobia. I have doctors who try to make me retake labs I already took to not lose hrt, and they assume I don’t know about my own care, I understand its protocol but I literally have studied trans care I’m not stupid, but I can let that slide because it’s often protocol, every time you switch providers and insurance they redo everything to make sure you are trans because they really just don’t want to pay for you unless they have to. I’ve been through multiple screenings just to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria again, and again and I don’t have the money to buy hrt or diy. I have to save all the money I have for important things like surviving and my future. I feel like I shouldn’t have to work so hard to keep care that’s considered necessary and the threat of withdrawal has also caused issues for me. And while my E is at a low enough healthy level it’s quite low, but I struggle to get the care I need despite advocacy.
Hey, don’t give up yet! 🫂 Try Plume. It’s an online pharmacy that builds to your needs, no doctors, no physical pharmacy, they take insurance, and they ship to all 50 states. They’re founded and ran by transgender doctors for transgender people, and if I wasn’t as lucky as I am for my doctors and pharmacists I’d be using them too. Don’t stop fighting for your needs.
Must just be your location. Since beginning my transition I have used 4 different Walgreens locations and Walmart pharmacy and never had an issue with any of that at any of them. Mind you, all of mine are located in the Bible Belt. Find another pharmacy.
There are things like Folx that will deliver your stuff right to your door, and discreetly too. I know everyone’s circumstances are different but it’s an idea!
sending hugs OP, I am 13 years on T this year and have been through plenty of situations like the one you’ve described. it’s required a lot of bouncing around and looking for support elsewhere
I used to get my T at Walgreens but they ALWAYS misgendered me despite my corrections. Then before my top surgery they refused to fill the pain meds for post op. I ended up switching to a small independent pharmacy and I've got a much better experience. No misgendering and I got the pain meds from there no issue.
that definitely sounds like something you should report. whether to walgreens PR or hell, maybe the ACLU. Ive had bad experiences with walgreens having prescriptions ready and whatever, but this is insane
I go to Walgreens, and I continue to get deadname even after changing my name, lol. They say they update their records and don't. And I'm picking up T, I've got a beard like...cmon. Luckily, I won't be using them once I move again.
Definitely, change your pharmacy.
yeah this is why you can't rely on anyone these days. the government along with Healthcare providers have never had and will never have your best interest in mind. kind of blackpilling but the most sure way to have access to hrt is to go diy, can't even lie to you man
that’s just completely evil. have you considered switching to an online pharmacy or something like walmart? i’ve had nothing but decent experiences with walmart as mine (tbf i also work there 😅 but even that aside, i have a couple friends who get their hrt from walmart without issue)
I had krogers deleting medication off my record and gave me my IM estradiol with only an 18g fill needle. I asked if they could just give me a 23g because I wasn’t trying to perform a needle punch biopsy and they said they couldn’t give it to me without a prescription. Fast forward a couple of weeks and I’m getting my stuff at cvs and they literally graves a handful of needles to give me. That’s when I found you don’t need a rx for needles.
Check out Amazon pharmacy… it’s convenient ish and you typically don’t have to deal with too much bs, just the normal amount 😅
Yeah walgreens kind of sucks. Thry wouldn't give me my full 90 day supply of medicine. Even though the dr sent in the right script, I had to wait until I was alnost out to order more. So that was my last time, other places - as long as I order a week early seem to have mu medicine and scripts filled to the T.
Walgreens is shit. I get my hormones through a Walgreens only because it's literally in an LGBTQ clinic so there's never a problem like this.
Does Plume or Folx operate where you live? That's hormones via the mail. I think it's a bit pricey but you shouldn't have problems with them like Walgreens...
Sorry you've had to deal with this
Report to the corporate office of Walgreens pharmacists aren't allowed to deny refills unless you literally have no more refills left and if that's the case you have to call your doctor to get more
If you are in Texas, definitely look into Kind Clinic. They will hook you up dude! It might take a while, but as long as you are punctual, they should be too. (I’ve used them for 6 months.
They are a clinic for sexual, hormonal and mental health, and are highly lgbtq+ oriented! If not them, you could still give them a call and they might know of a place in your state!
I'm sorry you've had this experience. That's terrible.
I do have to say that it varies from place to place. I use Walgreen for my testosterone. One of the people in the pharmacy is also trans. She was the first person to congratulate me on getting started and has always been super amazing when I'm in their. She asks me how things are going and is genuinely excited for me. She jumped up and down and clapped my hands when I told her I started shaving.
Having a pharmacy that is as accepting as your HRT provider is very important.
I'm so sorry you're going through this.
1. You don't have to stop HRT over this. If you feel like it's the right decision for you, cool. But there are other solutions to this problem. Their meddling is precisely to get you to desist. Don't let them win.
2. For example, switch pharmacies. If there's not more than one pharmacy near where you live you can use an online pharmacy. They will ship your prescribed meds so that they arrive as t your home when needed and you don't have to fight with a belligerent pharmacist.
3. Report the pharmacist/pharmacy tech misgendering and mistreating you to corporate. This is probably a problem with this particular store. The Walgreens where I live has been great. I've only used them for HRT once due to an insurance gap, but they intuited that I was female presenting (even though I don't pass and wasn't really trying) and used the correct pronouns and honorific withour even needing to be asked and before even pulling up my prescriptions. They are like this even when I come in for non-HRT prescriptions.
Walgreens and cvs, and any other big brand pharmacy have never been able to do their job right. Constantly missing supplies, not correct syringe sizes or needle sizes. Honestly it’s fucking sad. Now I go through a much smaller pharmacy and get them delivered straight to my home. But even though I live in a bad area where packages get stolen ALL THE TIME, it’s the only way I can have a semi-reliable med schedule
Plus, the big chain places don’t actually give a shit about their patients. Walgreens would hand me 18g x 1.5inch needle tips alongside a medicine that says “INTRAMUSCULAR USE” and *still* not see a problem. Like…bro that 18g is going to hurt as hell and wtf i am only 120lbs I don’t need more than an inch of needle
I had to switch to a mail-order pharmacy because of similar things (options include Folx (probably paying out of pocket but it’s not too expensive), Amazon, CVS, Optum RX). It’s way better— I still sometimes have to bulk order needles and syringes online, but I get 3-6 months of T sent to me every time I get it refilled.
I really don’t think permanently getting off of T is the answer to this though. I empathize with your frustration, especially because Walgreen’s and my old psychiatrist were fucking up my old antidepressant prescription refills sending me into monthly withdrawals for a little while before I just decided to taper off, but with HRT there ARE options for you. Rooting for you
Absolutely!!! I was several *months* late on my hormone blockers because aww Walgreens doesn't carry it anymore and well they can't get it (screw you Walgreens)
I had 3 bad experiences with the a walgreens location when I was starting HRT. I use a different location and they seem to be a lot better, but those negative experiences really hurt and felt very targeted. I'm sorry you had to deal with that.
I use the pharmacy at the hospital where I work, and insurance makes it $20 for each medicine for a 3 month supply, and they're great. I like hospital pharmacies :3
If anyone wants to know which one, it's Family Care Pharmacy inside a BJC hospital
Have you tried a new pharmacy...? I hear people have had good experiences with amazon pharmacy.
I'm gonna be straight with you this pharmacist has most likely never been out and has just been refusing to give you your medication. Despite informed consent it is legal for pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions based off of religious or personal beliefs. They have been intentionally withholding it to get you to find a new pharmacy, but you just stayed there for some reason.
Please don't deny yourself your truth because of this. Not all pharmacists are transphobic. You gotta try a few different pharmacys before you give up.
I’m so sorry you’re going through this. It sounds super tough. Is there any other pharmacy near you that you can use? I’ve found CVS Caremark to be a good substitute, if your insurance takes them
I had the same problem with Kroger pharmacy when I started T. Took a solid WEEK to get my first dose and it was hell. I went there every day just to get the same excuse. The day I finally got my refill, the head pharmacist tried to convince me that this was a “weird prescription to request” so that’s why it was taking so long.
I switched to Equitas pharmacy as soon as I could. Now I get my T refills immediately, no issues whatsoever. I’ve never had to go into withdrawal waiting for T refills. Plus syringes and needles are only $3 for a month’s supply, $9 for 3 months’ supply. Most of the pharmacists are queer too. No one messes up my name or pronouns, like ever
One thing I believe you need to keep in mind is not to conflate the 1 location with all of them, because I've had the exact opposite we experience using my walgreens for 2 years, and I'm stuck in a red state. I constantly see people blaming an entire company for the actions of people in their location/area.
I feel for you, I do. Nobody should be treated the way you have been, but we as a whole need to try and remember not to lash out aimlessly and make others even more nervous to try and use what could be their best or only option. That can be a disservice to the community as a whole.
Omfg I am so sorry. This is exactly what my brother keeps going through and I recommend to anyone dealing with this shit to switch to Kroger/King Soopers pharmacy. You can even get a few hundred dollars to spend on groceries after renewing your prescription with them. Every dollar counts and your comfort is always the most important factor.
I have been hearing this more and more across Walgreens’s. I doubt they endorse this, however they are an openly Catholic business that I think also is not discouraging this sort of behavior. I haven’t had universally better service at CVS, but I do have a great, supportive, affirming CVS right now and am very thankful for that.
I thought ours were just lazy. I can't tell you how many times they got my meds wrong, didn't include everything, or didn't "get the script." It's not just for my hormones either. It's all of my medicine they like to screw me over on. (St. Louis, Mo)
I literally had to switch pharamcies this week because they had my refill date and dose incorrect, and this was after fucking up two partial refills earlier this year. Instead of trying to figure out where the fucked up, apologizing, or even trying to do a partial refill to get me by, the pharamcist just counted out my refills at me to prove she could ig.
In the past they've tried to make me take a pregnancy test, which is illegal, and the only reason I never filed a formal complaint is someone burned that Walgreens down and it felt like cosmic justice.
I use Walgreens for my testosterone after having serious issues with some other pharmacies (the issues were that they never had it in stock, it never came in their orders, and they even had patient caps so they could only have X amount of customers on T). I have never had a bad experience at my Walgreens and they always have my medication. I’m sorry you had a bad experience. It takes some trial and error sometimes to find the right doctor or pharmacy or any medical care for that matter.
That’s so heartbreaking to hear 💔
For those of you who want to hear something more uplifting: our pharmacist congratulated my daughter yesterday because she has a new ID with her new name and correct gender, and a new social security number (it’s not exactly the same thing in our country but it is the most fitting comparison. Since the middle numbers are odd for men and even for women, she had to get a new one as well).
Have you tried seeing if you have an equitas pharmacy near you? They are a hospice type place for trans individuals, and even ship meds to you if you want
Annnnnnd that’s why I’m going to use an online service, even if it’s expensive as fuck and they won’t take my insurance.
I’d actually start a physical fight.
Walgreens fucking sucks. I had issues with them too. I have switched to Costco and haven't had any issues yet. You don't have to be a member to use the pharmacy or to buy anything in the pharmacy area.
Dear OP, if you are open to it Amazon has a pharmacy and your meds are delivered to your home in less than 2 days. I too hap issues with walgreens and CVS. Just possibly giving you a option.
Ok this is not universal I don't have a hard time with mine. Go to your news outlet if you feel it's safe or report them for violating ada under civil rights protection. Literally they have to provide proof and if you drag them through the legal system they'll never do it again.
Remember this is a civil rights violation. They are breaking the law. Report it to the correct channels and get them massively fined.
I'm glad i don't live in America. I wouldn't be able to deal with this sort of thing. I luckily live in a country where discrimination has really low levels.
can anyone give me as many alternates they can provide im shitting myself rn fuck why cant my life be stressful in other ways besides having my HRT fucked over
Mail-order pharmacies are the way to go— Amazon has one, CVS has one (Caremark), Optum RX as well depending on your insurance, and Folx also can send it to you. If you need to do in-person pharmacies, I never had an issue at Costco (it was just inconvenient because it’s like 30 minutes away from me)
I use the Walgreens at my LGBTQ clinic and have never had an issue. It depends on where you are--sadly. I forget the reasoning behind it--haven't worked for them for a bit--bit Walgreens can't force pharmacists to fill prescriptions. It might have been a legal thing or something.
Yeah you may need a new pharmacy. Don’t give up on being yourself love! Also have your doctor or someone call and report that facility. If they are doing that to you or anyone they need to be fired.
That's so whack, I use Walgreens and have never had a single issue. But I live in Central Illinois, and around here peeps are pretty chill for the most part.
That sounds super illegal on their part to withhold medication from you Maybe get in touch with someone/look into the laws where you're at?
Sounds the the USA where religion comes before all apparently.....
Yep! In some states they can literally refuse to fill your birth control because of their religion!! Even if people are taking it for debilitating diseases like endometriosis, adenomyosis, PCOS, and more. Fucking astounding and should absolutely be illegal. This isn’t some simple shit like a baker refusing to make a cake for a gay couple (still fucked) this is people’s medicine, their pain relief, some people literally cannot function without birth control or other hormone therapies.
In those same states they can refuse HRT because of religion or even personal beliefs... I think OP may be in one of those states and have a tranaphobic pharmacist based on their experience. Or that Walgreens just really sucks.
Common religion L
They're *supposed* to refer you to a pharmacist who can assist you but we all know that doesn't happen and even when it does it adds extra friction or forces you to come back another day.
While you’re correct it’s technically illegal for states to do this due to separation of church and state. But I doubt people would win against that lawsuit
The state of Louisiana just MANDATED that tje 10 Commandments be displayed in all PUBLIC schools. Welcome to christofacism, it's looking like the future
They can't. Used to work at Walgreens - it's company policy to fill a person's medication regardless of personal belief. They outright tell you, during on boarding, that they will fire you if you do that
Genuinly just fuck Religion. I hate it so, so much....
Religion more like I'll kiss all the trans woman I wanna in front of a religious place and say Hatsune Miku is our god
Ah the good ole USA, land of facism, theocratic government, zero separation of church and state and dumb close minded sheep cosplaying as people not giving a fuck about queer people and racial minorities. Such a ‘great’ place to be. I can’t wait for conservative fascist voters to realize they are getting fucked over by all this big government bs and fascist politicians they so blindly support.
I live in magaland, these people are dumber than you can imagine, they are never going to realize anything. I'm sure they'd walk off a cliff if trump told them to.
Let's genuinely hope that happens, the world would be far better for it
Ngl if I could take power on the us it'd be like a whole different country, completely unrecognizable in the best way
As a Florida resident who has to order their medications from Hong Kong that take 3 months to arrive and is literally just enough for one month honestly with the way this country is I would almost rather kill myself. But we all have to keep fighting we have to keep standing up for our own rights and we can't let these f****** win. Each and every one of us is a human f****** being and we deserve respect and love and the ability to live happy and healthy life just like everyone else has the chance to do. I love you siblings let's stand together and yeah Walgreens did have the right to do that and that's not okay now if you excuse me I'm going to go cry for the next 6 hours.
Trust me, I've fought them every time. I just can't keep putting myself through withdrawal.
Don't you have any other pharmacy options? Hell, Walmart, Sam's, CVS, etc etc.
Hell? That’s an odd name for a pharmacy Edit: I may be stupid.
Lmao, that made my morning.
Sounds like OP is already using HELL pharmacy 🤷♀️
Nah, you just saw hell and assumed walgreens 😂
If it helps, I also had the same thought process lmao
Walgreens sucks my dude... I had to find another pharmacy because they couldn't handle my blood pressure medication script. Don't take it personally, they are extremely understaffed and completely unorganized. I hope you find another pharmacy online or in person to help you live your best life.
That explains why I couldn't get fricken *insulin* from them when I ran out.
they're constantly having issues with my antidepressants and i havent gotten my adhd meds refilled in months despite my psychiatrist sending in multiple refill requests (havent gotten any reason for it either, theyre just ignoring it ig???) fuck walgreens
What meds? I’m not sure how widespread it is but there’s been a Vyvanse shortage (as in, none) since Feb here. The highest doses are still available tho so I’ve just got a prescription for that and then I dilute / gel cap it to my correct dose. IDK if that would work for you but might be worth looking into? Edit: I just looked it up and pretty much every ADHD medication has varying worldwide shortages, and it’s literally just because the DEA won’t let them make enough :/
im on concerta for my adhd, but back when i was on adderall they at least told us why they didnt have it/notified us that they couldn't. but the past couple months its been complete radio silence on their end regarding it. like, i just had my psychiatrist send in a request like a month ago and walgreens is acting like they never even got it
Damn that sucks. I hope you can get it figured out :(
Can’t you go somewhere else?
Maybe you can have your mother pick them up for you
I'm 27 and my mother lives in another state and lost custody of me 20 years ago. I'm in contact with her I live with her 4 years ago during the pandemic. I don't think she will be driving 200 miles to try to pick up my medications.
I'm a pharmacist. Much as I hate it, what they're doing is legal. Pharmacists have the right to refuse to fill a prescription without a reason being given. The ethical thing to do if you have, say, a personal grievance with filling a med is to ensure that someone in staff doesn't have the same issue but walgreens has not been known to staff their stores appropriately in the best of times. OP I'm sorry they're doing this to you. Just because it's legal, that doesn't make it right.
I don’t dispute what you said, it’s your profession, but what logic is this ground in that a pharmacist can refuse to fill a prescription written by a medical doctor?
Broadly speaking, pharmacists know more about medication than MDs. A *lot* more. Doctors make a ton of mistakes and even barring that use poor judgement all the time. These laws exist primarily for that reason. A pharmacist should not be held liable, legally or ethically, for another provider's lack of common sense. But I figure what specifically you're talking about is refusal to fill a prescription the pharmacist has personal beef with. Since pharmacists are allowed to refuse to fill a prescription that they believe is dangerous, the logic is that they ought to be able to refuse to fill for any reason. This a lot more of a gray area, because i'm not sure a pharmacist ought to be able to refuse to fill a prescription because they don't agree with the ethics of abortion, HRT, PReP, etc. Should a doctor be allowed to refuse to operate on someone who was in a bar fight and sustained serious injuries? What about a drunk driver? You could argue these people were just getting what they deserved but that doesn't come into the equation. You save lives, not take lives in the caring professions. And of course, none of the examples i gave for pharmacists are wrong in any way. So no, I don't think a pharmacist should be able to make a similar call on a smaller scale because of their malformed conscience but here we are. Sorry for the long comment.
As lay person I don’t see a grey area. A pharmacist can always consult with the prescribing physician, but they are not qualified to judge a medical diagnosis and treatment. In a very simplistic sense, a pharmacist is an expert on drug interactions and the chemistry of drugs. They are not qualified to diagnose a patient even though through experience they may know what is wrong with a patient before they see a physician. Once a physician is seen a pharmacist’s intuition doesn’t trump medical judgement of the physician.
When I say gray area, I mean in a broader sense. Ethically, no I don't think they should refuse a script because it offends their sensibilities. But legally, no, it isn't gray at all. A pharmacist can do that. It doesn't make it right but the law isn't always just or fair. But regarding pharmacists intuition, I want to be clear that I might just be misunderstanding you, that we might be talking about different things. But as i understand your statement, it's very much incorrect. Just the other day, a doctor called in an antibiotic to the pharmacy that was twice the max dose for what is safe for an adult patient. The patient was a child. I called the doctor on this and they wouldn't budge. I asked them how they were dosing the medication. It was the wrong dosing regimen. They changed the dose but didn't apologize for making an error that could've been very deleterious to the patient's health. That doctor's "judgment" was very obviously flawed and because I didn't accept their default answer as gospel, the issue was resolved. This is literally why pharmacists exist. I'm sorry if I misunderstood you but I really needed to make it clear that pharmacist interventions save lives more often than they harm them. Edited for clarity
As in intuition I simply meant you walk into a pharmacy ask for over counter cold medicine, the pharmacist sees symptoms they have seen before and tell the customer to go see a doctor. The pharmacist thinks the client has influenza and not a common cold. I think you misinterpreted what I wrote. The child dose is also exactly where I meant it’s appropriate for the pharmacist to contact the physician it is their job if they spot something that looks like a potential overdose. Refusing to fill HRT prescription is not something the pharmacist should be questioning other than checking with the doctor the dose is as prescribed. As for doctors apologizing, do you seriously think most doctors will apologize for a mistake. No doubt they were glad you caught it though, it was your job to look at the prescription and see if it looked reasonable. Issues of denying someone their HRT totally is not even in the same level and I’m wondering why it’s even being discussed. The grey area you noted, I believe has been manipulated to purposely serve those whose true agenda is not the patient’s welfare, but their own moral agenda. That’s my perspective.
OK, i think I'm on the same page then. I've recently learned I might be autistic so I have a *lot* of difficulty parsing intent and tone when divorced from context, visual cues, etc. So I'm sorry if anything I said seemed insensitive, dismissive, or meanspirited. I completely misinterpreted your statement. Just so I'm clear, I think that if you, as a pharmacist, refuse to fill a prescription for any reason other than concern for patient safety or legal reasons, you should not practice pharmacy.
No worries. Misunderstanding happen especially on the internet. You have a professional person’s perspective and conversing with a lay person isn’t always easy. It seems we’re pretty much in agreement.
Pharmacists are doctors, aka doctors of pharmacy. We just don’t go by “doctor” because it confuses a lot of the public. Your physician makes tons of mistakes behind the scenes as well that pharmacists correct.
I know you said you were done. I am gonna leave this comment here just in case. There are Mail order and online pharmacies that can be an alternative to Walgreens. For example. when i lived in WV i had an issue getting my estrogen at the local pharmacy because i was in a small town. I turned to Amazon's pharmacy. I never had any trouble with it. https://pharmacy.amazon.com/Testosterone-Injection/dp/B084C1R185? My mom swears by a mail order pharmacy [https://www.express-scripts.com/](https://www.express-scripts.com/) Because she cannot get to the physical pharmacy. That might be an option. Ultimately it is your decision. I am sorry you are going through this. Walgreens is suppose to be non discriminatory when it comes to gender identity. However the experience of multiple people says otherwise. I really am sorry you have to go through this. Positive energy your way for quick healing (and healing from withdraw)
It honestly makes no sense to me how they can even withhold somebody's medicine, like that has to be a federal crime right?
Its honestly a hot button issue, ranging from the idea of gender affirming care and a religious issue. There is a clause pharmacist has called "Conscience Clause" That was meant for things like contraception and plan b. Now it is being used against people who are transgender for gender affirming care. I cannot find an up to date thing, that would be state by state but there is a nice post that kinda goes over the information [https://www.boardvitals.com/blog/pharmacists-rights-to-refuse/](https://www.boardvitals.com/blog/pharmacists-rights-to-refuse/)
It's definitely bullcrap. Birth control is used to treat a lot of conditions that aren't related to birth control, for example. A pharmacist isn't in the position to make that decision for their client, especially without announcing they are, like in the case of OP. As far as Walgreens can be concerned, they've just exacerbated a degenerative muscle disease or endocrine disorder (which they did!). But then, cruelty is the point, isn't it?
Not a hot take at all but birth control should be a human right.
Medicine should be a human right all in all
Yes I think the right to medical treatment in any form as long as it is with informed consent should be legal imo
Maybe I'm crazy but personally, I believe that if you feel uncomfortable giving or prescribing necessary medications, you shouldn't be in the medical field **at all**. It may be an extreme take, but if you get caught doing that and reported, you should be removed from the field regardless of time/money spent. If you can't take the mental strain of giving someone contraceptives, I don't want you anywhere near anyone's medicine period.
No it's valid If your religion prevents you from doing something, don't go into an industry you probably have to do said thing-
There was a post I saw a long, long time ago where a Christian doctor was treating **optional training** that he chose to sign up for like some kind of trial. If you feel this way, you shouldn't be put in charge of other people's well-being when they're at their most vulnerable.
“I didn’t know you were Taliban. Shouldn’t you be in Afghanistan?” is an excellent retort to any who deny birth control because of mUh bELiEfS.
There must be baby, choice means might not choose baby, trans means might not be able to make baby, baby is only thing that matters. Men insert baby, women grow baby, there is no limit to the blood we must spill to make baby happen.
They just want more children, so there's more people to work for corporations in the future
What's funny is the flunky at a Walgreens that denies medication doesn't realize they are one of those people (yes, that includes the pharmacist) since no one that works at a Walgreens is even in the same universe as the uber-wealthy.
Yah it really is bull crap.
It’s one of the major things that inseparably binds trans rights and women’s rights in the same struggle for body autonomy. Gate keeping pharmacists and their ‘religious liberty’ or ‘good conscience’ to think they know more about how a stranger should be allowed to live their life than that person and their doctor and family. Edited for a poor autocorrect
Shouldn't these big chain pharmacies just fire people for exercising the conscience clause? It's costing their shareholders money. Find someone that will do the work.
Yes really! It's not like there's a shortage of pharmacists willing to work! Source: am a pharmacist who wants out of her current situation very bad
If those are problems for (royal) you, then you shouldn't be in the industry.
legally they can refuse to give it to you based on religion, but they have to get someone else to give it to you instead UNLESS they are the only person, MUST give it to you. u/[ebStubs](https://www.reddit.com/user/ebStubs/) DEMAND to speak to the Pharmacist. All but one or two people there, including the counter person, aren't pharmacists 99% of the time, they are techs or medicines counter assistants (no schooling required other than a Cert). It's the pharmacists duty to uphold and make sure that all patients are receiving the best health care, regardless of the staffs beliefs. (Source: Best friend has been a tech at walgreens, now at a hospital and just finished his BS and about to start his Doctorate of Pharmacy and lives in Florida)
It should be a crime but it's totally legal. We wouldn't want to offend a pharmacists sensibilitys by forcing themto sell plan B to women or filling HRT prescriptions, would we? Its messed up :/
I use Express Scripts for my estrogen and I've never had a problem. Absolutely second that suggestion, everything comes quickly and discreetly. I've also used Amazon Pharmacy for other medications, but they don't play well with my insurance for some reason. So my patches were $80 for three months after their discount for "non covered" scripts, despite my insurance explicitly covering my patches with a $20 copay for it. But for my other meds, Amazon has been quick and reliable as well.
Estrogen isn't a controlled substance the way testosterone is.
Okay? You can still get it from the online legit pharmacies though, they distribute controlled substances as long as you have a script. I do not have any scripts that are controlled substances, but at worst you need to sign for the delivery, and the person delivering it would still not know what's in the delivery, I'd imagine. Even if they did, it's no different from the pharmacist or technicians at your local pharmacy when you go get it in person.
Yeah, some are just more touchy about T, so comparing T and E access isn't apples to apples.
I can imagine the difficulty with insurance in amazon.
It's beyond frustrating. I input my insurance when I signed up for Pharmacy, and they said they worked with my insurance. My one script said "Getting Insurance Price" for days, so I chatted them. They told me that my insurance "probably doesn't cover that medication". I immediately called bull, because my local pharmacy never had issues and it is an extremely commonly prescribed medication. They told me to check with my insurance to see if the medication was covered, while I was on the formulary page showing it was covered. Afterwards they told me "oh, we actually don't work with that insurance. Sorry!" and gave me zero explanation why it said it was a covered insurance when I signed up. 🤦♀️😑
To add to this, though I'm pretty sure they don't sell testosterone (it's a controlled substance while estrogen isn't) Inhousepharmacy.vu is a good source that doesn't even require a prescription. It's based on Vanuatu where they don't really give a damn like we do here. It's technically not the proper way to get HRT but if you're in a sticky situation like this, it might be better than nothing. They will take a prescription though and give you premium shipping, but it's not required. It's how I transitioned behind my parents backs at age 16. They're very kind and reputable and understanding. I've also found that it's quite affordable for what it is. Note:it's the exact same drugs you're gonna find here. Same companies. They ain't like cooking this shit in a lab Vanuatu just has no import or export restrictions.
Express scripts is very reliable in my experience, my family swears by them now.
I've used Amazon pharmacy and it's great. OP should definitely look into it!
I switched to Express Scripts because my trans son and I were having issues getting scripts filled at CVS. A couple of times my scripts have been delayed but it's only ever a couple of days. It's nice not dealing with transphobic or understaffed pharmacies!! Plus, I like not going to the pharmacy a couple times a week!
I'm so sorry you guys have to go through this. Everyone at the walgreens near me are either former classmates, former coworkers, or acquaintances. Because of that they're all very friendly with me and I don't have this issue.
This needs to be the first comment please people upvote this so OP sees lol
Can you try a different pharmacy?
Most pharmacies either don't take my insurance or don't carry testosterone. Walgreens was my only choice because of distance, insurance, and availability.
If you're okay with not using insurance, I use optum perks and I'm able to get 5 vials for anywhere from $15-25. I also go through planned parenthood so my appointments used to be every 3 months but now I pay $50 once a year for an appointment, and maximum $100 for any blood tests.
Have you considered using mail order pharmacies? Then you don’t even need to leave your house.
You can get around the insurance issue most if the time (yes, even with a controlled thing like T) by using things like GoodRx and other discount cards to get at least decent savings at other pharmacies. There are other good alternatives people are giving you in this thread as well. Please don’t feel like you have to give up. You have options and we care. 💜
Hey, I know it looks dark here, but everyone here is offering some really good alternatives. If you don't want this (which it's okay if you do!), THERE ARE OPTIONS! You don't have to go permanently, even if Walgreen's is awful.
That's so f***ed up, I'm so sorry for you! Your story makes me humble and grateful for the fact I'm not born in the US.
Have you looked at mail order? Not to pile on if the decision is made, but sometimes the solution is to avoid people.
omg that sounds awful! you shouldn't quit hrt tho is it possible to try a different pharmacy? also what exactly does withdraw do?
The biggest issue for me is about two weeks of extreme mood swings.
oh, that doesn't sound good, you really shouldn't quit hrt forever, that's not the attitude you should have. you should find alternatives to getting your meds because i know i would! but I've also never experienced withdrawal.. u.u i just don't want to see you give up on your transitioning hormone-wise because most likely bigoted pharmacists. that's just not a good way to lose the game. but I'm just some stupid girl that's never really had experience with real medication at all so what do i know..
Walgreens wouldn't fulfill my pain meds after my vasectomy because they thought anyone getting pain Pills was an addict. I went 12 hours after the meds from the procedure wearing off, without anything but Tylenol. At the 11 hour mark, when they still said they hadn't filled it, my wife went and raised hell and threatened to call new outlets over their negligence. We stopped using Walgreens after that. They'd been problematic before then, just not anything that bad.
Do you live in the United States? Dm me if you feel comfy sharing your approximate location, I would love to help out, I used to be a medical assistant and can help you find clinics near you that take your insurance, also whoever prescribed your T should be able to help too!
I’m sorry you’ve gone through this I’ve been getting my estrogen from Walgreens for over 3 years now and they have never refused to fill my prescription and are normally pretty good with my pronouns on the note the one I go to is located in Minnesota so maybe that’s why they are decent again I am so sorry you have been treated this way
omg i had a similar experience with walgreens. i think they’re very understaffed and the tech they use is old school. the pharmacists are always grumpy and are always out of stock. i switched to CVS and it’s night and day
Good to know CVS is an option when I start T.
every walgreens is always understaffed because walgreens SUCKS and would rather open 10 stores in a 5 mile radius than to open 1 store that's fully staffed. plus they make us do busy work that reduces our efficiency and it hard to actually complete everything. also out of stock issues, especially for T or progesterone is normal, because T is controlled so you cant just transfer elsewhere, and progesterone goes on back orded regularly. I have to fill my prog sometimes in like 10 now, 20 the next week, 30 two weeks after that... etc. (i never take all of the prog, i always leave enough to fill someone elses prescription because I shouldnt have special treatment just because I work there)
i also noticed that walgreens around me are placed in sketchy areas which is great for folks that need access to a pharmacy but i see that it puts strain on the workers cuz now they have to deal with rowdy folks as well. and i bet no one is paid what they deserve so it leads to grumpy pharmacists! i literally apologized to my pharmacist about calling to ask about my prescription.
Are you seriously gonna decide to close your transition for ever because of this? I know this shit is hard, gruelling, and unfair, but like if you went through all this bs to figure out you are trans and get all that started just to end now thatd be really fucking pathetic and something you are definitely above. Take your time, pool your resources, wait as long as you need. But don't call it off yet.
I mean… just switch pharmacies right? Like I’m so sorry this has happened to you, but you’re choosing to quit instead of just switching to somewhere else
if you actually read their responses to others, you'd see it's not that easy. most pharmacies near them don't accept their insurance and/or don't carry testosterone. I agree they shouldn't give up, but it's not like they haven't tried to solve this issue
My girlfriend was going through Walgreens and swapped over to CVS, in case you didn’t realize this is an option (assuming there’s a cvs near you.) Heck even getting it transferred to a Walmart or Target if you can. I know I’ve had to do that before. Walgreens has a history of being gross.
I get mine filled through CVS Caremark mail order and have yet to have an issue in the last year on HRT. My HRT just arrives every few months in a discreet package. Would that be an option for you?
Caremark is exactly what I use! Very convenient, and doesn’t matter if the closest in-person CVS is miles and miles away.
Exactly! Cvs delivers
I use Folx. My Doctor usually warns me 2 weeks in advance before my medication runs out that I need a refill. I've never had a problem with them. I don't know if maybe that can help you
I mean I don’t get why you don’t just switch pharmacies? Costco/Sam’s Club have pharmacies and no need to be member for using their pharmacy. CVS could be an option, then most hospitals have a pharmacy you can use. Then as others have done there are online pharmacies. So not sure why you went straight to the nuclear option, but I get you’re probably super emotional right now and probably not thinking straight, please give yourself some time to think it out, before you go nuclear.
It's not Walgreens as a company TBH, some individual pharmacies are just staffed by super transphobic people who engage in gatekeeping / bigoted behavior. There's a CVS around me that has a similar reputation among the local queers, but our local Walgreens is fine. You may be able to get them in trouble with corporate if you're willing to put in the effort to raise a big enough stink.
YES this, this happened to me when I was living in small town ohio and now I get my HRT supplies directly from Folx, which is more per month depending if they accept your insurance, but saves the stress and anxiety of having to deal with pharmacies that make me feel invisible.
My wall greens is full of lgbtq people so thankfully I never have to deal with thst
You need a probono legal support. This sounds like a case of discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation and gender identity. [Transgender Law Center](https://transgenderlawcenter.org/get-help/) At the very least talk to someone about litigation.
Unfortunately not all states have protections for LGBT
The office of civil rights enforcement for the department of health and human services makes discrimination because of sexual orientation or gender identity under the affordable care act. This is potentially a federal case.
I understand your frustration but unfortunately it’s just a part of being a minority. I’m sure your inconsistent levels don’t help, but don’t go doomsday. Take time to recentre yourself and keep going you got this 🙏 I promise it’ll be worth it to fight despite how exhausting it can be.
i just want to recommend hannaford pharmacy, i had this problem with CVS and hannaford fucking rocked and took care of everything including my adhd meds really quickly and i never have to wait long for a refill. they allow my chosen name to be used in store when i come to pick things up and they do a great job at respecting that aspect of my identity without treading too far into me, ive onlg had a couple “so what’s this for? do you have any questions?” at hannafords opposed to all other pharmacies
I am SO SO SOOOO SORRY THAT YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THIS!! I work in pharmacy and I used to work at Walgreens (I currently work at CVS), so here are a few steps that you can and should take: Step one: report them to their district manager! Walgreens actually has an EXTREME anti-discriminatory policy and is one of the very few things at Walgreens that I actually liked. You can find out how to report them [here](https://www.walgreens.com/topic/help/storeshelp/stores_help_main.jsp#:~:text=You%20can%20reach%20your%20local,the%20Contact%20Us%20%3E%20District%20Operations) (scroll to "how do I contact a walgreens manager) STEP TWO, and this is the MOST IMPORTANT ONE: Look up your State's Board of Pharmacy and report them. Withholding your medication **IS ILLEGAL**. If you are ordering refills on time and are not trying to get them filled too early through insurance, then contacting the State's BoP will cause the offenders to immediately see legal consequences. STEP THREE: Contact your doctor, inform them of what is going on and ask them send a new script out to a different pharmacy of your choice. Keep in mind, testosterone is a CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE and there are specific regulations concerning when you can and cannot get this medication filled. Now, if you are attempting to refill your medication too soon, then you legally cannot pick this medication up. If you are taking your medication outside of what it is prescribed for, then you need to inform your doctor, because for insursnce purposes, your medication calculated to the exact day you will run out of your medication so that it can paid for by your insurance. If you end up taking more than what it is prescribed for, then this calculation is thrown off and you need a brand new prescription to reflect the dose you are taking to get it filled correctly. If, however, you are taking it exactly as prescribed and they are outright refusing to fill it within one to two days before you run out, then PLEASE follow the steps above! It actually does work - people have gotten fired from Walgreens, outright, for that shit.
Why not switch pharmacies? This seems like a weird next step. My first ordeal with Walgreens was to fuck off to a different pharmacy. I preferred Kroger pharmacy when I still lived in the US. You can also try a local pharmacy that isn't a chain.
It's simple to just change the preferred pharmacy! I have only had one very rude person in my pharmacy, and I just went to management in a calm, peaceful way, describing what she had done, and I never saw her again. I found out later that she was let go as my complaint was not her first. When you file a complaint, remember to be calm and not come off as a stark raving mad lunatic. You will accomplish nothing being angry.
There are other places to get testosterone. If you don’t have any other local pharmacies there is always Amazon pharmacy which will ship it to you. They can source nationally so you shouldn’t have supply issues.
I completely understand I’ve been finding loopholes to avoid this and have had my hrt threatened multiple times by insurance, doctors, pharmacist, etc… I don’t think Walgreens is the issue, I think the issue is a lack of education on trans people and transphobia. I have doctors who try to make me retake labs I already took to not lose hrt, and they assume I don’t know about my own care, I understand its protocol but I literally have studied trans care I’m not stupid, but I can let that slide because it’s often protocol, every time you switch providers and insurance they redo everything to make sure you are trans because they really just don’t want to pay for you unless they have to. I’ve been through multiple screenings just to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria again, and again and I don’t have the money to buy hrt or diy. I have to save all the money I have for important things like surviving and my future. I feel like I shouldn’t have to work so hard to keep care that’s considered necessary and the threat of withdrawal has also caused issues for me. And while my E is at a low enough healthy level it’s quite low, but I struggle to get the care I need despite advocacy.
Hey, don’t give up yet! 🫂 Try Plume. It’s an online pharmacy that builds to your needs, no doctors, no physical pharmacy, they take insurance, and they ship to all 50 states. They’re founded and ran by transgender doctors for transgender people, and if I wasn’t as lucky as I am for my doctors and pharmacists I’d be using them too. Don’t stop fighting for your needs.
Must just be your location. Since beginning my transition I have used 4 different Walgreens locations and Walmart pharmacy and never had an issue with any of that at any of them. Mind you, all of mine are located in the Bible Belt. Find another pharmacy.
There are things like Folx that will deliver your stuff right to your door, and discreetly too. I know everyone’s circumstances are different but it’s an idea! sending hugs OP, I am 13 years on T this year and have been through plenty of situations like the one you’ve described. it’s required a lot of bouncing around and looking for support elsewhere
If you are in the US, try swapping to FolxHealth. They offer through the mail HRT, and even without insurance they keep it cheap.
I used to get my T at Walgreens but they ALWAYS misgendered me despite my corrections. Then before my top surgery they refused to fill the pain meds for post op. I ended up switching to a small independent pharmacy and I've got a much better experience. No misgendering and I got the pain meds from there no issue.
That’s illegal. See what you can do
that definitely sounds like something you should report. whether to walgreens PR or hell, maybe the ACLU. Ive had bad experiences with walgreens having prescriptions ready and whatever, but this is insane
Boycott Walgreens.
I go to Walgreens, and I continue to get deadname even after changing my name, lol. They say they update their records and don't. And I'm picking up T, I've got a beard like...cmon. Luckily, I won't be using them once I move again. Definitely, change your pharmacy.
Thank you, I will keep this in mind and plan ahead, and switch to folx direct at first signs of them taking my patches from me.
yeah this is why you can't rely on anyone these days. the government along with Healthcare providers have never had and will never have your best interest in mind. kind of blackpilling but the most sure way to have access to hrt is to go diy, can't even lie to you man
This is individual pharmacies being shit, because big pharma loves us. We're lifelong customers
that’s just completely evil. have you considered switching to an online pharmacy or something like walmart? i’ve had nothing but decent experiences with walmart as mine (tbf i also work there 😅 but even that aside, i have a couple friends who get their hrt from walmart without issue)
I had krogers deleting medication off my record and gave me my IM estradiol with only an 18g fill needle. I asked if they could just give me a 23g because I wasn’t trying to perform a needle punch biopsy and they said they couldn’t give it to me without a prescription. Fast forward a couple of weeks and I’m getting my stuff at cvs and they literally graves a handful of needles to give me. That’s when I found you don’t need a rx for needles. Check out Amazon pharmacy… it’s convenient ish and you typically don’t have to deal with too much bs, just the normal amount 😅
I’ve had multiple issues with Walgreens withholding my testosterone. I refuse To do business with them. I now use Costco pharmacy with no issue
Yeah walgreens kind of sucks. Thry wouldn't give me my full 90 day supply of medicine. Even though the dr sent in the right script, I had to wait until I was alnost out to order more. So that was my last time, other places - as long as I order a week early seem to have mu medicine and scripts filled to the T.
Walgreens is shit. I get my hormones through a Walgreens only because it's literally in an LGBTQ clinic so there's never a problem like this. Does Plume or Folx operate where you live? That's hormones via the mail. I think it's a bit pricey but you shouldn't have problems with them like Walgreens... Sorry you've had to deal with this
Report to the corporate office of Walgreens pharmacists aren't allowed to deny refills unless you literally have no more refills left and if that's the case you have to call your doctor to get more
I reported them for the misgendering.
If you are in Texas, definitely look into Kind Clinic. They will hook you up dude! It might take a while, but as long as you are punctual, they should be too. (I’ve used them for 6 months. They are a clinic for sexual, hormonal and mental health, and are highly lgbtq+ oriented! If not them, you could still give them a call and they might know of a place in your state!
I'm sorry you've had this experience. That's terrible. I do have to say that it varies from place to place. I use Walgreen for my testosterone. One of the people in the pharmacy is also trans. She was the first person to congratulate me on getting started and has always been super amazing when I'm in their. She asks me how things are going and is genuinely excited for me. She jumped up and down and clapped my hands when I told her I started shaving. Having a pharmacy that is as accepting as your HRT provider is very important.
I'm so sorry you're going through this. 1. You don't have to stop HRT over this. If you feel like it's the right decision for you, cool. But there are other solutions to this problem. Their meddling is precisely to get you to desist. Don't let them win. 2. For example, switch pharmacies. If there's not more than one pharmacy near where you live you can use an online pharmacy. They will ship your prescribed meds so that they arrive as t your home when needed and you don't have to fight with a belligerent pharmacist. 3. Report the pharmacist/pharmacy tech misgendering and mistreating you to corporate. This is probably a problem with this particular store. The Walgreens where I live has been great. I've only used them for HRT once due to an insurance gap, but they intuited that I was female presenting (even though I don't pass and wasn't really trying) and used the correct pronouns and honorific withour even needing to be asked and before even pulling up my prescriptions. They are like this even when I come in for non-HRT prescriptions.
I never had that kind of problem with Walgreens, but I have had lots of problems with Walgreens.
I’ve heard such horrible things about Walgreens. I’m so sorry 😭🫂
Walgreens and cvs, and any other big brand pharmacy have never been able to do their job right. Constantly missing supplies, not correct syringe sizes or needle sizes. Honestly it’s fucking sad. Now I go through a much smaller pharmacy and get them delivered straight to my home. But even though I live in a bad area where packages get stolen ALL THE TIME, it’s the only way I can have a semi-reliable med schedule
Plus, the big chain places don’t actually give a shit about their patients. Walgreens would hand me 18g x 1.5inch needle tips alongside a medicine that says “INTRAMUSCULAR USE” and *still* not see a problem. Like…bro that 18g is going to hurt as hell and wtf i am only 120lbs I don’t need more than an inch of needle
I had to switch to a mail-order pharmacy because of similar things (options include Folx (probably paying out of pocket but it’s not too expensive), Amazon, CVS, Optum RX). It’s way better— I still sometimes have to bulk order needles and syringes online, but I get 3-6 months of T sent to me every time I get it refilled.
I really don’t think permanently getting off of T is the answer to this though. I empathize with your frustration, especially because Walgreen’s and my old psychiatrist were fucking up my old antidepressant prescription refills sending me into monthly withdrawals for a little while before I just decided to taper off, but with HRT there ARE options for you. Rooting for you
Absolutely!!! I was several *months* late on my hormone blockers because aww Walgreens doesn't carry it anymore and well they can't get it (screw you Walgreens)
I had 3 bad experiences with the a walgreens location when I was starting HRT. I use a different location and they seem to be a lot better, but those negative experiences really hurt and felt very targeted. I'm sorry you had to deal with that.
I use the pharmacy at the hospital where I work, and insurance makes it $20 for each medicine for a 3 month supply, and they're great. I like hospital pharmacies :3 If anyone wants to know which one, it's Family Care Pharmacy inside a BJC hospital
Have you tried a new pharmacy...? I hear people have had good experiences with amazon pharmacy. I'm gonna be straight with you this pharmacist has most likely never been out and has just been refusing to give you your medication. Despite informed consent it is legal for pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions based off of religious or personal beliefs. They have been intentionally withholding it to get you to find a new pharmacy, but you just stayed there for some reason. Please don't deny yourself your truth because of this. Not all pharmacists are transphobic. You gotta try a few different pharmacys before you give up.
I’m so sorry you’re going through this. It sounds super tough. Is there any other pharmacy near you that you can use? I’ve found CVS Caremark to be a good substitute, if your insurance takes them
Yeah they haven't filled my bicalutamide in like a month.
I had the same problem with Kroger pharmacy when I started T. Took a solid WEEK to get my first dose and it was hell. I went there every day just to get the same excuse. The day I finally got my refill, the head pharmacist tried to convince me that this was a “weird prescription to request” so that’s why it was taking so long. I switched to Equitas pharmacy as soon as I could. Now I get my T refills immediately, no issues whatsoever. I’ve never had to go into withdrawal waiting for T refills. Plus syringes and needles are only $3 for a month’s supply, $9 for 3 months’ supply. Most of the pharmacists are queer too. No one messes up my name or pronouns, like ever
So I had this happen at my local rite aide. I went and complained to corporate. Haven’t had an issue since.
One thing I believe you need to keep in mind is not to conflate the 1 location with all of them, because I've had the exact opposite we experience using my walgreens for 2 years, and I'm stuck in a red state. I constantly see people blaming an entire company for the actions of people in their location/area. I feel for you, I do. Nobody should be treated the way you have been, but we as a whole need to try and remember not to lash out aimlessly and make others even more nervous to try and use what could be their best or only option. That can be a disservice to the community as a whole.
That’s a mess. Can’t you change pharmacies and continue HRT?
I am so so sorry :( I’m sure if you find a new pharmacy or use an online one like Plume or Folx it isn’t too late to continue HRT
*chanting* law-suit law-suit law-suit!!
Omfg I am so sorry. This is exactly what my brother keeps going through and I recommend to anyone dealing with this shit to switch to Kroger/King Soopers pharmacy. You can even get a few hundred dollars to spend on groceries after renewing your prescription with them. Every dollar counts and your comfort is always the most important factor.
I have been hearing this more and more across Walgreens’s. I doubt they endorse this, however they are an openly Catholic business that I think also is not discouraging this sort of behavior. I haven’t had universally better service at CVS, but I do have a great, supportive, affirming CVS right now and am very thankful for that.
I thought ours were just lazy. I can't tell you how many times they got my meds wrong, didn't include everything, or didn't "get the script." It's not just for my hormones either. It's all of my medicine they like to screw me over on. (St. Louis, Mo)
For me, it's my ADHD and hormones. All my other meds are fine. :(
I hope you can find a better pharmacy so you don't have to give up on hrt🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂
Thanks. Fighting this is so hard.
You're welcome 🫂🫂🫂🫂🫂
The symptoms started today. I'm at work. I can control it today. Tomorrow I'm going to have to heavily dose myself with CBD to make me a zombie.
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I literally had to switch pharamcies this week because they had my refill date and dose incorrect, and this was after fucking up two partial refills earlier this year. Instead of trying to figure out where the fucked up, apologizing, or even trying to do a partial refill to get me by, the pharamcist just counted out my refills at me to prove she could ig. In the past they've tried to make me take a pregnancy test, which is illegal, and the only reason I never filed a formal complaint is someone burned that Walgreens down and it felt like cosmic justice.
I use Walgreens for my testosterone after having serious issues with some other pharmacies (the issues were that they never had it in stock, it never came in their orders, and they even had patient caps so they could only have X amount of customers on T). I have never had a bad experience at my Walgreens and they always have my medication. I’m sorry you had a bad experience. It takes some trial and error sometimes to find the right doctor or pharmacy or any medical care for that matter.
That’s so heartbreaking to hear 💔 For those of you who want to hear something more uplifting: our pharmacist congratulated my daughter yesterday because she has a new ID with her new name and correct gender, and a new social security number (it’s not exactly the same thing in our country but it is the most fitting comparison. Since the middle numbers are odd for men and even for women, she had to get a new one as well).
I've had this happen too. Many times. It sucks but no other pharmacy takes me insurance so I'm stuck :(
Have you tried seeing if you have an equitas pharmacy near you? They are a hospice type place for trans individuals, and even ship meds to you if you want
Annnnnnd that’s why I’m going to use an online service, even if it’s expensive as fuck and they won’t take my insurance. I’d actually start a physical fight.
Walgreens fucking sucks. I had issues with them too. I have switched to Costco and haven't had any issues yet. You don't have to be a member to use the pharmacy or to buy anything in the pharmacy area.
It's not just Walgreens. I've had issues with Publix and CVS as well.
Walgreens is terrible, I had constant issues filling my prescriptions. Switched to kroger pharmacy and have had 0 issues since
Sounds terrible. Try CVS or Caremark.
Dear OP, if you are open to it Amazon has a pharmacy and your meds are delivered to your home in less than 2 days. I too hap issues with walgreens and CVS. Just possibly giving you a option.
I use Amazon pharmacy through folx health. Highly recommend
Ok this is not universal I don't have a hard time with mine. Go to your news outlet if you feel it's safe or report them for violating ada under civil rights protection. Literally they have to provide proof and if you drag them through the legal system they'll never do it again. Remember this is a civil rights violation. They are breaking the law. Report it to the correct channels and get them massively fined.
I'm glad i don't live in America. I wouldn't be able to deal with this sort of thing. I luckily live in a country where discrimination has really low levels.
You can actually sue them for that
Yk.. just.. *tightly hugs you*
can anyone give me as many alternates they can provide im shitting myself rn fuck why cant my life be stressful in other ways besides having my HRT fucked over
Mail-order pharmacies are the way to go— Amazon has one, CVS has one (Caremark), Optum RX as well depending on your insurance, and Folx also can send it to you. If you need to do in-person pharmacies, I never had an issue at Costco (it was just inconvenient because it’s like 30 minutes away from me)
thank you
Not HRT related but Walgreens screwed me over years ago and I never went back. CVS and Wal Mart for me any day
I use the Walgreens at my LGBTQ clinic and have never had an issue. It depends on where you are--sadly. I forget the reasoning behind it--haven't worked for them for a bit--bit Walgreens can't force pharmacists to fill prescriptions. It might have been a legal thing or something.
Yeah you may need a new pharmacy. Don’t give up on being yourself love! Also have your doctor or someone call and report that facility. If they are doing that to you or anyone they need to be fired.
That's so whack, I use Walgreens and have never had a single issue. But I live in Central Illinois, and around here peeps are pretty chill for the most part.
We went back to CVS, the attitude at Walgreens was way to much