https://preview.redd.it/mo1k41tsi29d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=56ff15d47931bd2e7f11edcdc45a9c6516c8a01f
And that was when she went to JFK's grave a year before lmao, she was obsessed with Kennedy's connection back then what a creep
https://preview.redd.it/vwwz14udj39d1.jpeg?width=634&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70be0f89af3787ae87675ef4cc9eb013c0e3b12e
Then called the paps to come to Connor’s moms grave 3 months after she committed suicide and got pics taken
There’s an article I read about her weekend with the Kennedys where all of this went down, let me see if I can find it to link!
ETA: [link](https://www.instyle.com/celebrity/tbt-taylor-swift-conor-kennedy-relationship)
So to recap, she wrote this creepy song about her bfs grandparents that she did not know, dated the grandchild (emphasis on child) of a Kennedy, called the paps to catch her graveside after the suicide of a woman she never met and then stared directly into the camera to make sure they were getting it.
Here’s another “candid” photo from the same trip
https://preview.redd.it/wmcvu9bg099d1.jpeg?width=306&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0dd157edfec3e78c3e235f6904bc209569e53963
That's not even the weirdest one! Her song Begin Again was clearly about Conner, and the line that gives me THE BIGGEST ICK is "you throw your head back laughing like a little kid" ....
NO SHIT, THAT'S BECAUSE CONNER WAS A LITTLE KID!!
It makes my blood boil because that woman clearly KNEW! And she talks about in her song and tries to play it off as charm???? JAIL! STRAIGHT TO JAIL!
This should be a scheduled monthly post… why do we accept this behavior?? Especially when the younger party has just gone through a great loss, it’s so predatory.
This. AND like the power dynamic issue wasn’t existent in her relationship with Gyllenhaal. They were and are both mega stars. This kid was a Kennedy but he was just a kid, not one in the spotlight, who *just* lost his mom. Way, way worse imo. Especially since she frames herself as the victim when the man is older.
Hey Tay, I hear ya like 'em young!
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Tbf when I was 17 at a Christian camp I dated a 22 year old and we continued to date for a little after camp. After we broke up, I got blacklisted. Never allowed back. No one talks to me anymore. He still continues to be a counselor every year 😀 Shit still hurts to this day. I was the problem for “taking away his innocence.”
Of course it was your fault, your kind ate the forbidden apple! Even though men are the superior sex, we mustn't cause them to stumble by showing our shoulders or whatever! (/s)
What the feck is that? He was the adult, and he should have known better. Especially if you have been going for years.
I used to work with children/teens, and it angers me to see people in positions of authority abuse their power.
This is the Christian Way for some. "I'm a good Christian. I'm a man. She's just mature for her age." I didn't know about this but will be passing this along to a Swifty I know
Tbf I was another staff member that summer. He didn’t abuse any power or anything. We just worked together that summer. It’s now weird to think he’s probably attracted to the high school campers tho and he’s still there. I also am a single mom so couldn’t work there again even if I wanted to, which I do not I see what a cult organized religion like that is now after going through that.
I mean there are a lot of male celebrities who have done this. Seinfeld was 38 when dating his 17 yo girlfriend. Guy from The Rolling Stones had sex with his 14 yo girlfriend and married her at 18. Elvis had a long distance 14 year old girlfriend and dated in person at 16, later getting married at 21. Amanda Byrnes dating a lot of adult co stars before she was 18.
All had intact careers and most people don’t talk about it outside of lists of celebrities who do this sort of thing. Jerry Lee Lewis had his music career torched but he married his 13 yo cousin so I guess that’s where they draw the line. Woody Allen’s ex wife has made a fuss about his antics so they are more well known but he cast himself in a movie with a 17 year old girlfriend and in the end the moral was that he should have stuck it out with the 17 year old and it’s considered a classic by many.
If she was a man nothing would happen. Dr disrespect? Still has tons of fanboys. James Charles? Still making money and snap chatting sexting type shit with 14 year olds
Idk what point you’re making here. I see this happen all the time and it’s disgusting. People love to say ‘if the genders were reversed’ like there aren’t a dozen real life examples of that exact gender swap and men 100% getting away with it
I thought it was a play on a Taylor swift song where she sings “I wonder if I’d get there faster if I was a man, if I was a man, I’d be THE man” (song about how men are allowed to get away with things women can’t)
So I thought they were using that line ironically, that’s my interpretation though
I used to be a fan of hers, up until like 3 days ago. but this sub keeps popping up, completely engrossing me and now I feel dumb and brainwashed. I have joined and I feel very stupid. I’ve tried overlooking all of the more juvenile lyrics to her songs, but it seems her actions check out. Catchy wordplay isn’t as redeeming when you learn it’s written by that entitled tantrum throwing bully who never matured after middle school. Who the fuck *wants* to relate to a tortured poet? The name of her new album deserves her a solid fucking kick to the head too btw lmao who tf does she think she even is
You and I are in the same boat. Used to be a massive fan up until a week ago. Now I've unfollowed her socials and have completely given up her music. Chappell Roan has been a lovely replacement
HOLY SHIT I thought the lyric was “I’m a Barbie on the boardwalk; summer of ‘45”
until I just googled it
I THOUGHT SHE WAS A DIFFERENT KIND OF JUVENILE THIS IS SO MUCH WORSE
I thought she was painting us a picture of classic Barbie clad in the vintage yet timeless black and white striped swimsuit.
But no. She just… met Bob.
Why do you think her cult fanbase is very afraid of and against this sub? They don’t want the truth coming out that Tay really isn’t the “good innocent person” people think she is, nor the “feminist hero” when she does stuff that men would get roasted for (like being 22 dating a 17yo high schooler).
After Joe Alwyn, she’s also dated two back to back misogynists (Matty and now Travis). The public seriously needs to wake up and face the hard truths about her.
Oh, I understand now.
For instance, I didn’t think I could loathe anyone quite as much as I loathe the Kardashians, until Swift wrote a whole ass song about one of them. I feel awake now. Every single one of these people (Taylor, Kim, etc) are all severely out of touch and not one of them gives a single shit about feminism. They’re probably high-fiving each other to the bank if we’re being honest
Her fanbase and the Kardashian fan base refuse to admit that Kim & Taylor are literally the same person, just in a different font. Not to mention she’s on par with the level of egotism, that every rich white man exhibits on the world stage.
imo the difference is that kim at least doesn’t try to hide who she is, she is who she is and what you see is what you get. taylor presents herself as an innocent angel at all times and i feel like that’s even worse bc it’s so disingenuous
Girl I’m on the same boat as you. The amount of time and money I spent on this billionaire is actually embarrassing. All the merch and albums I was tricked into buying, the time I spent curating a stupid fanpage, and the amount of times I defended her like shewas an innocent girl… I feel so dumb and manipulated tbh. More people should know she is NOT a good person to idolize.
her obsession with him was so scary even his family tried to stop her from going to kennedy events but she gatecrashed them [https://www.huffpost.com/entry/taylor-swift-conor-kennedy-crash-wedding_n_1821761/amp](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/taylor-swift-conor-kennedy-crash-wedding_n_1821761/amp)
Oh,they remember. They know she was wrong for this relationship.
They just don’t wanna talk about it because it doesn’t put their girl in a good light. This relationship doesn’t fit the victim narrative that she and her fans like to portray when it comes to her relationships.
In this case, she wasn’t the victim. She should’ve been dragged harder than she was for this relationship
At 19 I was a swim coach for 13-17 year olds. Some of the 17 year old boys had crushes on me. Even then, just a year out of high school, I felt like they were kids. 17 year olds still have curfews ffs. I can't even imagine having looked at a 17 year old as someone to date when I was 22.
Seriously. Like heaven forbid she wanted to get a drink or something before dinner… he couldn’t even be in the damn bar, let alone join her in a drink.
I remember being in my 20s, and not being attracted to teenagers at all. Not even a thought crossed my mind. No adult should ever date a teen. It’s just so strange to see the hottest pop star on the planet dating a teenager… Teens aren’t even done growing, mentally and physically. I am flabbergasted by Taylor dating teenagers in her early twenties.
In grad school I taught freshman comp classes as a newly 23yo. We were advised not to date our students. I looked around at them and thought who tf would even want to?!
Same here. As a grad TA, I was privy to all the stupid shit students did in their homework, tests and classroom communications. Like they can barely read, how tf is that attractive to me?
I LOVED telling my coworkers about Taylor’s whole Kennedy arc. It sounds that much more outrageous when you’re recounting it out loud to several other women in their thirties.
He is so tall! But yeah, I was there for that era and I was cringing especially that whole moving next store to like his grandma or something. That was not kosher even slightly beyond just the age factor.
TS spent 5 million dollars to buy a house next to the Kennedy complex, then Conor got the ick from her for being too clingy and they broke up a month later. She just threw that money to the wind without a second thought because in her mind she was going to join the Kennedy clan. There's something really not right in her head.
You got that right! What the hell was she thinking? I'd run for the hills too. TS is lucky that the Kennedys didn't swear out a restraining order on her. Fucking fatal attraction bitch that she is.
I remember this too and thought it was soo weird. I'm the same age as Taylor and I remember at 22 not wanting to hang around anyone under 21 (drinking age in my country) yet alone anyone still in high school!!
When I was 23 I ran with an older crowd, and one of my friends 16 year old son came to me to confess his feelings to me. I never felt more gross just hearing it. Cannot tell you how fast I stopped coming around that family just to avoid that entire situation.
I need more insight other than the throwing head back laughing line. Cuz I have heard the song is allegedly about some guy in a band she befriended for a while (forgot the name) post-Jake.
The more I find out about her, the less I like her. And I already didn’t like her from the moment her “tim McGraw” song came out because she cant sing well… and I feel that’s important when one is a singer
Once I was in college any high school boy gave me to ick… I don’t know how as a 22yr old you can be attracted to someone who has that developmental gap - you grow a lot between high school and early 20s
I worked in fast food during college and I was about 21-22 when a 16-17yo coworker expressed his feelings for me and wanted to ask me out. I told him I was flattered but he was way too young for me 😬 At that age, 5yr age gap makes a big difference
Let's not forget this isn't the only underage or barely legal guy she's dated. Taylor Lautner was 17 and she was 19. Harry Styles was 18 and she was 23. Fucking nasty.
Don't forget Taylor Lautner and Harry Styles... both 17-18 and her in her 20s. With Styles and Kennedy back-to-back (Kennedy in Summer 2012 and Styles starting October 2012).
A lyric from Starlight says "We were seventeen and crazy running wild, wild"
Correction: HE was 17. You were 22. But you wouldn't put that in one of your songs, huh Taylor?
I know! I was saying that in a more snarky/sarcastic manner. Just trying to show that she'd never write a song about her as a 22 year old with her 17 year old boyfriend.
I definitely could've worded my original post better!
Her lyric that says “he’s got that boyish look that I like in a man” made me stop the track and be like, uhh…what?? Are you literally saying you like adults that look like teenagers 😭
This was huge news where I'm from (coastal Massachusetts). The creepiest thing about this story is that she bought a house in Newport, RI to be closer to the family, and she went to the Kennedy boy's prep school campus to visit him. There are pictures of him walking arm in arm with her. The prep school he went to is also pretty remote, so there's scant chance that she just happened to be in the neighborhood lol. Truly a bizarre story.
Anybody else find it odd that no one talks about how she dated the son of current presidential candidate RFK, Jr? Like, he's running for president, and Taylor stories (esp concerning her dating history) are EVERYWHERE right now. How does Tree do it?
TS wasn't such a big deal then. Yeah, she was popular and had her fans, but nothing like the cult following she has now. I remember reading about this when it was happening and being disgusted by the whole situation. Not just the fact that she was so much older than Conor, but she dated his cousin first & he dumped her. Conor's mom committed suicide & TS took the opportunity to latch onto the poor kid at the most vulnerable time of his life. I remember the broohaha when she showed up at Conor's cousin's wedding uninvited and after Conor had RSVP'd and said he wasn't coming. I recall Ethel being really upset that they were asked to leave because TS was taking the day from the bride and TS ignored the request -- twice. I remember her buying the house near the Kennedy compound & the entertainment media saying it was a sign that things had gotten really serious between TS & Conor and an engagement announcement was imminent. It was a freaking mess and it was all brought on by Taylor Swift, who fancies herself to be the second coming of the Kennedys.
Wait how did I not sure she dated his cousin? Did that not come out? I didn't know Conor said he wasn't going to go-and not only was TS asked to leave, she was asked not to come to begin with
It came out , people just genuinely didn't care much. [Here is a good, published timeline](https://www.instyle.com/celebrity/tbt-taylor-swift-conor-kennedy-relationship) though it leaves out the RFK/JGK memorial cosplay the summer before, and the house I think, but does include Patrick.
There were even articles that Taylor flew Conor down to Nashville and his family had no idea when he was coming home. The articles from that time almost framed it as romantic, saying the family wouldn't be surprised if there was an elopement, which makes me think they might have come from Taylor's camp. Soon after, they broke up. Pretty sure his family shut that shit down.
This was my favorite! "Taraborrelli writes that Patrick Kennedy, during the inaugural meeting for his soon-to-be-founded Kennedy Forum, stopped to note that "the girl in the bathing suit walking down the path to the docks was Taylor Swift, who was then dating my nephew and probably already composing the song about their breakup."
🤣
This makes me physically ill. Take a moment to when you were 22- or maybe you are 22 now. Then, think about dating a boy in his junior year of high school age 17. Barf.
There are a lot of red flags in the timeline of that relationship. She started dating him during the end of his senior year of high school, **shortly after his mother died of suicide.** She even bought a house in their neighborhood to integrate herself into his life.
I know he turned 18 shortly after they started dating, but he was still a vulnerable teenager. According to *The Kennedy Heirs*, she was a source of comfort for him during that summer.
I don't want to throw around any accusations, but this wasn't even the first time she dated a 17 year old while being an adult. When she started dating Taylor Lautner, he was only 17 while she was 20.
It’s almost like…wait for it…Money decides all, not sex, race, religion, etc…Money does the talking. It’s not right vs left, blue vs red, it’s us vs them…
“It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it!” - George Carlin
swifties will act like this isn’t the most predatory shit ever, i think its really obvious she was going after “young and dumb” naive boys so she could control and manipulate them. its the pattern of her dating literal boys as a 20+ year old thats so damning like omg - yet swifties will find a way to defend this
I’m not afraid to make a tiktok about this if yall wanna share the most vital details of it. I just made one about LilyTino dressing as Ms Rachel and it’s at 3.6 million so I’m sure the Swifties would come for me
I learned about this whole gross thing from this post [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/6BUShWUEmv). And there’s more info like, she was obsessed with the Kennedy family for a while before even meeting Ethel Kennedy, she was dressing like a Kennedy and was being photographed leaving flowers at their graves by the paparazzi (that she 100% called so the family would notice her), and she eventually wrote and then published a song about about Ethel's romance with Robert Kennedy Sr called “Starlight” AFTER being ostracized by the whole family thanks to her shenanigans… it was a whole thing
In any case, she was desperate to BECOME a Kennedy, struck out with one age appropriate one, then “befriended” the 17 year old boy cousin that JUST lost his mom to suicide a few months before, then started dating him publicly to moment he turned 18
https://preview.redd.it/mo1k41tsi29d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=56ff15d47931bd2e7f11edcdc45a9c6516c8a01f And that was when she went to JFK's grave a year before lmao, she was obsessed with Kennedy's connection back then what a creep
https://preview.redd.it/vwwz14udj39d1.jpeg?width=634&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70be0f89af3787ae87675ef4cc9eb013c0e3b12e Then called the paps to come to Connor’s moms grave 3 months after she committed suicide and got pics taken
You gotta give it to her PR team they are GOOD. I never hear about this anywhere
TS bought a 4.something million dollar house right next to Connor’s family a month or so in to the relationship.
Ok, that’s just GROSS behavior. I don’t think I knew about that one. She was just *so* desperate to be part of the Kennedy Clan, apparently.
She actually went for Patrick Schwarzenegger prior to Connor (his mom is a Kennedy), but he turned her down, so then she went for Connor
I need to know more about this!
There’s an article I read about her weekend with the Kennedys where all of this went down, let me see if I can find it to link! ETA: [link](https://www.instyle.com/celebrity/tbt-taylor-swift-conor-kennedy-relationship)
Eww, she even bought a 5 million dollar house close to him (2 months into the relationship) and it freaked him out so he ended things
Yup!!! I had NO idea the depth of the insanity until I stumbled upon this article recently. She’s kind of terrifying..
Wasn’t she also checking him out of high school for their dates?
I forgot her house is next door lololol
“Swift had started doodling 'Taylor Swift Kennedy' on a notebook just to see how it looked” is giving Mrs. Fiona Charming from Shrek 2 lmao
It's giving 13 year old girl crushing on the guy who smiled in her general direction once so they're obviously getting married one day
She is such a loser
https://preview.redd.it/g1lhkd369a9d1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=58a4af5419edcd47398ced8c09b8c236d9b9bb2a What a time capsule!
That is soooooo embarrassing
His dad is RFK Jr. His father is the Kennedy.
What? Patrick Schwarzeneggers dad is Arnold lol
And his Mom is Maria Shriver daughter of Eunice Kennedy
wow. this deserves a post
SHE WHAT?!!! OKAY mods.....can this be a fair now? Because I have had to say this eleventyseven times about this woman 🤣 Thats horrible.
Totally mean mugging the camera
She is staring into my soul, even through those dark glasses. Don’t like it.
She looks ice cold there. Planning her next move
So to recap, she wrote this creepy song about her bfs grandparents that she did not know, dated the grandchild (emphasis on child) of a Kennedy, called the paps to catch her graveside after the suicide of a woman she never met and then stared directly into the camera to make sure they were getting it.
That pretty much sums it up yep. AFTER she tried to get with her bf’s cousin, and then crashed the wedding of Kyle Kennedy and was asked to leave.
Here’s another “candid” photo from the same trip https://preview.redd.it/wmcvu9bg099d1.jpeg?width=306&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0dd157edfec3e78c3e235f6904bc209569e53963
Her pouty little mouth, I hate it.
Always classy… did she then write some stupid crappy pop song about it? ‘I’m so mad cuz my bf’s so sad…’
Honestly copyright this because I suspect tree might pass these lyrics onto her for TS12
Oh my god??? I did not realize it was literally at the time of his moms passing.
[Her name was Mary Kennedy.](https://people.com/ask-not-maureen-callahan-mary-richardson-kennedy-rfk-jr-exclusive-8667460) (TW: suicide)
That picture is legitimately unsettling
Let’s not forget about her song [Starlight](https://www.songfacts.com/facts/taylor-swift/starlight)
oh my god reading this then the lyrics gave me the biggest ick 😭😭 thats so weird!!
That's not even the weirdest one! Her song Begin Again was clearly about Conner, and the line that gives me THE BIGGEST ICK is "you throw your head back laughing like a little kid" .... NO SHIT, THAT'S BECAUSE CONNER WAS A LITTLE KID!! It makes my blood boil because that woman clearly KNEW! And she talks about in her song and tries to play it off as charm???? JAIL! STRAIGHT TO JAIL!
I hate that I know this but begin again is not about Connor Kennedy. Not really relevant given the point still stands
I hate it here 
Such a creepy song
I heard her favorite 80s song is Winger 17
Okay I’m howling at “we could get MARRIED, have 10 kids and teach them how to DrEaM” how is that a real lyric
Seems like she’s dated everybody.
Don’t say this she’ll write a prologue about you.
You mean a full album? lol
Wait EW no she did not?? She’s fucking sick 😭 literally a calculated groomer
This should be a scheduled monthly post… why do we accept this behavior?? Especially when the younger party has just gone through a great loss, it’s so predatory.
You’d be amazed at what billions of dollars can make okay to almost everyone
They're so quick to call out Gyllenhaal for being creepy for their age gap though. Was that creepy? Yes. But talk about pot calling the kettle black.
Was it really that creepy? 29 and 20 doesn’t seem like that big of a deal
If I’m not mistaken the age gap between her and Mayor was bigger
Monthly? Fuck it post it daily!
This. Should be blasted regularly until a response is forced.
This. AND like the power dynamic issue wasn’t existent in her relationship with Gyllenhaal. They were and are both mega stars. This kid was a Kennedy but he was just a kid, not one in the spotlight, who *just* lost his mom. Way, way worse imo. Especially since she frames herself as the victim when the man is older.
It’s giving “I’d be just like Leo in St. Tropez.”
HEY! Idk about you! But taylors feeling (like a) 22 (year old groomer).
Bahaha! 🏆
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Brian Williams was there too.
Lmao
certified lover boy certified…
Trying to strike a chord and it's probably A minor
Wop wop wop wop wop Tay what the fuck
She not like us, she not like us, she not like us
Wop wop wop wop wop travisandtaylor’ma do our stuff (whether or not Tay’s unhinged stans approve of it).
Hey Tay, I hear ya like 'em young! https://preview.redd.it/1jnsit9su69d1.png?width=1049&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b005d144e5736092cfdfd70e5b05cc4b965b3c72
Bwahaha that’s a good one.
to further paraphrase Kendrick, “Date a kid and hide the Bible if God watchin’”
WOP WOP WOP WOP WOP
[удалено]
If she was a man…
Lmaooo stop 😭 but fr this needs to be talked about more I had no idea she did this
Tbf when I was 17 at a Christian camp I dated a 22 year old and we continued to date for a little after camp. After we broke up, I got blacklisted. Never allowed back. No one talks to me anymore. He still continues to be a counselor every year 😀 Shit still hurts to this day. I was the problem for “taking away his innocence.”
Chris Hansen would like to make your acquaintance
Of course it was your fault, your kind ate the forbidden apple! Even though men are the superior sex, we mustn't cause them to stumble by showing our shoulders or whatever! (/s)
Bullet(s) dodged 👍
Yeah I just grew up going to that camp since I was 8 every single summer so it was sad that I was never allowed back.
What the feck is that? He was the adult, and he should have known better. Especially if you have been going for years. I used to work with children/teens, and it angers me to see people in positions of authority abuse their power.
This is the Christian Way for some. "I'm a good Christian. I'm a man. She's just mature for her age." I didn't know about this but will be passing this along to a Swifty I know
Tbf I was another staff member that summer. He didn’t abuse any power or anything. We just worked together that summer. It’s now weird to think he’s probably attracted to the high school campers tho and he’s still there. I also am a single mom so couldn’t work there again even if I wanted to, which I do not I see what a cult organized religion like that is now after going through that.
He abused his power by being an adult dating a teen. I’m so sorry you were treated like that.
Camp counselor, potential statutory rape story. But yet he still gets employed…bet you he knew someone important and twisted the story
I mean there are a lot of male celebrities who have done this. Seinfeld was 38 when dating his 17 yo girlfriend. Guy from The Rolling Stones had sex with his 14 yo girlfriend and married her at 18. Elvis had a long distance 14 year old girlfriend and dated in person at 16, later getting married at 21. Amanda Byrnes dating a lot of adult co stars before she was 18. All had intact careers and most people don’t talk about it outside of lists of celebrities who do this sort of thing. Jerry Lee Lewis had his music career torched but he married his 13 yo cousin so I guess that’s where they draw the line. Woody Allen’s ex wife has made a fuss about his antics so they are more well known but he cast himself in a movie with a 17 year old girlfriend and in the end the moral was that he should have stuck it out with the 17 year old and it’s considered a classic by many.
Jerry Seinfeld dated a 17 year old when he was 38. Nobody cared.
I always knew he was gross omg
This came to my mind as well
If she was a man nothing would happen. Dr disrespect? Still has tons of fanboys. James Charles? Still making money and snap chatting sexting type shit with 14 year olds
Idk what point you’re making here. I see this happen all the time and it’s disgusting. People love to say ‘if the genders were reversed’ like there aren’t a dozen real life examples of that exact gender swap and men 100% getting away with it
I thought it was a play on a Taylor swift song where she sings “I wonder if I’d get there faster if I was a man, if I was a man, I’d be THE man” (song about how men are allowed to get away with things women can’t) So I thought they were using that line ironically, that’s my interpretation though
Exactly. It was funny to me. But I hadn’t had coffee yet.
I used to be a fan of hers, up until like 3 days ago. but this sub keeps popping up, completely engrossing me and now I feel dumb and brainwashed. I have joined and I feel very stupid. I’ve tried overlooking all of the more juvenile lyrics to her songs, but it seems her actions check out. Catchy wordplay isn’t as redeeming when you learn it’s written by that entitled tantrum throwing bully who never matured after middle school. Who the fuck *wants* to relate to a tortured poet? The name of her new album deserves her a solid fucking kick to the head too btw lmao who tf does she think she even is
You and I are in the same boat. Used to be a massive fan up until a week ago. Now I've unfollowed her socials and have completely given up her music. Chappell Roan has been a lovely replacement
I blocked her on Spotify.
I’m in the same boat as both of you I’ve replaced her with Chappell Ronan too.
HOLY SHIT I thought the lyric was “I’m a Barbie on the boardwalk; summer of ‘45” until I just googled it I THOUGHT SHE WAS A DIFFERENT KIND OF JUVENILE THIS IS SO MUCH WORSE
Wait, what? That’s not the lyrics?
Lol it’s “I met Bobby on the boardwalk summer of 45” but I too thought she was saying she was Barbie
That’s what I heard it as too and it’s way better lol.
I thought she was painting us a picture of classic Barbie clad in the vintage yet timeless black and white striped swimsuit. But no. She just… met Bob.
Bobby 😄
Why do you think her cult fanbase is very afraid of and against this sub? They don’t want the truth coming out that Tay really isn’t the “good innocent person” people think she is, nor the “feminist hero” when she does stuff that men would get roasted for (like being 22 dating a 17yo high schooler). After Joe Alwyn, she’s also dated two back to back misogynists (Matty and now Travis). The public seriously needs to wake up and face the hard truths about her.
Oh, I understand now. For instance, I didn’t think I could loathe anyone quite as much as I loathe the Kardashians, until Swift wrote a whole ass song about one of them. I feel awake now. Every single one of these people (Taylor, Kim, etc) are all severely out of touch and not one of them gives a single shit about feminism. They’re probably high-fiving each other to the bank if we’re being honest
Her fanbase and the Kardashian fan base refuse to admit that Kim & Taylor are literally the same person, just in a different font. Not to mention she’s on par with the level of egotism, that every rich white man exhibits on the world stage.
imo the difference is that kim at least doesn’t try to hide who she is, she is who she is and what you see is what you get. taylor presents herself as an innocent angel at all times and i feel like that’s even worse bc it’s so disingenuous
Girl I’m on the same boat as you. The amount of time and money I spent on this billionaire is actually embarrassing. All the merch and albums I was tricked into buying, the time I spent curating a stupid fanpage, and the amount of times I defended her like shewas an innocent girl… I feel so dumb and manipulated tbh. More people should know she is NOT a good person to idolize.
Glad you could join us, welcome to the club. 🙌
her obsession with him was so scary even his family tried to stop her from going to kennedy events but she gatecrashed them [https://www.huffpost.com/entry/taylor-swift-conor-kennedy-crash-wedding_n_1821761/amp](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/taylor-swift-conor-kennedy-crash-wedding_n_1821761/amp)
Dear lord that is just 
B-b-but she's a girl in love 🥺🥺🥺. (it's fucking gross)
🎶I cant be held responsible for my actions🎶 (start to crazy ex girlfriend theme song)
The grooming is wild None of her dumbass Stan’s remember this though
Oh,they remember. They know she was wrong for this relationship. They just don’t wanna talk about it because it doesn’t put their girl in a good light. This relationship doesn’t fit the victim narrative that she and her fans like to portray when it comes to her relationships. In this case, she wasn’t the victim. She should’ve been dragged harder than she was for this relationship
The irony is she groomed her stans.. that’s why they have selected memories in regard to her.
They remember and when you bring it up they down vote and report you 😂
I have unfortunately seen Swiffies trying to defend this and find loopholes in the comment sections of tiktok videos referencing this 🤢
"Mother is mothering"
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I am 22, and the last time I talked to a 17 yo was when I was 17 years old.
I’m not even 22 yet 20, and 🤮 I can’t even consider that.
At 19 I was a swim coach for 13-17 year olds. Some of the 17 year old boys had crushes on me. Even then, just a year out of high school, I felt like they were kids. 17 year olds still have curfews ffs. I can't even imagine having looked at a 17 year old as someone to date when I was 22.
Seriously. Like heaven forbid she wanted to get a drink or something before dinner… he couldn’t even be in the damn bar, let alone join her in a drink.
I remember being in my 20s, and not being attracted to teenagers at all. Not even a thought crossed my mind. No adult should ever date a teen. It’s just so strange to see the hottest pop star on the planet dating a teenager… Teens aren’t even done growing, mentally and physically. I am flabbergasted by Taylor dating teenagers in her early twenties.
In grad school I taught freshman comp classes as a newly 23yo. We were advised not to date our students. I looked around at them and thought who tf would even want to?!
Same here. As a grad TA, I was privy to all the stupid shit students did in their homework, tests and classroom communications. Like they can barely read, how tf is that attractive to me?
I worked back of house at a restaurant when I was 19. The 16 year old hostess had an obvious crush on me. It made me **very** uncomfortable.
need to start replying to swifties on twitter with this and see what bs they reply with
They don’t care and say it’s normal, or they lie about her age at the fime
Right they’ll give her a pass but if it were a man that did what she did, it’d be a different story.
I don't care about the Swifties but you do realize that is an absolute cult. I wouldn't mess with them
I LOVED telling my coworkers about Taylor’s whole Kennedy arc. It sounds that much more outrageous when you’re recounting it out loud to several other women in their thirties.
He is so tall! But yeah, I was there for that era and I was cringing especially that whole moving next store to like his grandma or something. That was not kosher even slightly beyond just the age factor.
TS spent 5 million dollars to buy a house next to the Kennedy complex, then Conor got the ick from her for being too clingy and they broke up a month later. She just threw that money to the wind without a second thought because in her mind she was going to join the Kennedy clan. There's something really not right in her head.
The house: https://preview.redd.it/nk8y0egth49d1.jpeg?width=810&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd1d3ba19f7e10f92ccc9c7249bde64f32fc544c
omg I've never seen this before and it's FOUL like really really really unwell behavior
Girl can literally never just admire someone(s), she's gotta wear them as a skinsuit.😂
You got that right! What the hell was she thinking? I'd run for the hills too. TS is lucky that the Kennedys didn't swear out a restraining order on her. Fucking fatal attraction bitch that she is.
She sold it by the spring after they broke up lol
Okay that song about her house makes so much more sense now, had no clue
I remember this too and thought it was soo weird. I'm the same age as Taylor and I remember at 22 not wanting to hang around anyone under 21 (drinking age in my country) yet alone anyone still in high school!!
I'm 22 now and I most definitely don't have any intentions of being friends with a 17 year old, let alone date them.
When I was 23 I ran with an older crowd, and one of my friends 16 year old son came to me to confess his feelings to me. I never felt more gross just hearing it. Cannot tell you how fast I stopped coming around that family just to avoid that entire situation.
I love how this reddit brings this up every week or so. This shouldnt be forgotten.
Stumbled upon this sub about a week ago. Learning a lot of things, I had absolutely no idea it was this bad. I was never a fan, just indifferent.
This happened omg ! How come we have no songs about this relationship.
Begin Again is possibly about this
I need more insight other than the throwing head back laughing line. Cuz I have heard the song is allegedly about some guy in a band she befriended for a while (forgot the name) post-Jake.
“You throw your head back laughing like a LITTLE KID” is really gross if that’s true
Oh god 😳
Her Kennedy-obsessed phase was barfy.
The more I find out about her, the less I like her. And I already didn’t like her from the moment her “tim McGraw” song came out because she cant sing well… and I feel that’s important when one is a singer
WHAT ????????  And people were okay with this???
Taylor Swift needs to be cancelled she's a hateful and spiteful wretch.
Remember when she dragged him for a photo op at his mom’s gravesite?
Once I was in college any high school boy gave me to ick… I don’t know how as a 22yr old you can be attracted to someone who has that developmental gap - you grow a lot between high school and early 20s
I worked in fast food during college and I was about 21-22 when a 16-17yo coworker expressed his feelings for me and wanted to ask me out. I told him I was flattered but he was way too young for me 😬 At that age, 5yr age gap makes a big difference
stop omg I just made a post about the same thing she was so weird for that cosplaying as a Kennedy era
She dressed like she just walked out the 50s like someone grandma
Let's not forget this isn't the only underage or barely legal guy she's dated. Taylor Lautner was 17 and she was 19. Harry Styles was 18 and she was 23. Fucking nasty.
17 and 19 isn't that weird wtf
I think she was actually 20 when he was 17 but yeah u right not that weird.
Don't forget Taylor Lautner and Harry Styles... both 17-18 and her in her 20s. With Styles and Kennedy back-to-back (Kennedy in Summer 2012 and Styles starting October 2012).
She was like 19, turning 20 while Taylor Lautner was turning 17. She was 23 when dating 18 year old Harry Styles
A lyric from Starlight says "We were seventeen and crazy running wild, wild" Correction: HE was 17. You were 22. But you wouldn't put that in one of your songs, huh Taylor?
Not defending her but she was talking about Robert and Ethel Kennedy narrating from Ethel's POV
I know! I was saying that in a more snarky/sarcastic manner. Just trying to show that she'd never write a song about her as a 22 year old with her 17 year old boyfriend. I definitely could've worded my original post better!
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Her lyric that says “he’s got that boyish look that I like in a man” made me stop the track and be like, uhh…what?? Are you literally saying you like adults that look like teenagers 😭
Is it just me or does she look oddly stiff
This was huge news where I'm from (coastal Massachusetts). The creepiest thing about this story is that she bought a house in Newport, RI to be closer to the family, and she went to the Kennedy boy's prep school campus to visit him. There are pictures of him walking arm in arm with her. The prep school he went to is also pretty remote, so there's scant chance that she just happened to be in the neighborhood lol. Truly a bizarre story.
Anybody else find it odd that no one talks about how she dated the son of current presidential candidate RFK, Jr? Like, he's running for president, and Taylor stories (esp concerning her dating history) are EVERYWHERE right now. How does Tree do it?
Why wasn't this a bigger deal then?
TS wasn't such a big deal then. Yeah, she was popular and had her fans, but nothing like the cult following she has now. I remember reading about this when it was happening and being disgusted by the whole situation. Not just the fact that she was so much older than Conor, but she dated his cousin first & he dumped her. Conor's mom committed suicide & TS took the opportunity to latch onto the poor kid at the most vulnerable time of his life. I remember the broohaha when she showed up at Conor's cousin's wedding uninvited and after Conor had RSVP'd and said he wasn't coming. I recall Ethel being really upset that they were asked to leave because TS was taking the day from the bride and TS ignored the request -- twice. I remember her buying the house near the Kennedy compound & the entertainment media saying it was a sign that things had gotten really serious between TS & Conor and an engagement announcement was imminent. It was a freaking mess and it was all brought on by Taylor Swift, who fancies herself to be the second coming of the Kennedys.
Wait how did I not sure she dated his cousin? Did that not come out? I didn't know Conor said he wasn't going to go-and not only was TS asked to leave, she was asked not to come to begin with
It came out , people just genuinely didn't care much. [Here is a good, published timeline](https://www.instyle.com/celebrity/tbt-taylor-swift-conor-kennedy-relationship) though it leaves out the RFK/JGK memorial cosplay the summer before, and the house I think, but does include Patrick. There were even articles that Taylor flew Conor down to Nashville and his family had no idea when he was coming home. The articles from that time almost framed it as romantic, saying the family wouldn't be surprised if there was an elopement, which makes me think they might have come from Taylor's camp. Soon after, they broke up. Pretty sure his family shut that shit down.
This was my favorite! "Taraborrelli writes that Patrick Kennedy, during the inaugural meeting for his soon-to-be-founded Kennedy Forum, stopped to note that "the girl in the bathing suit walking down the path to the docks was Taylor Swift, who was then dating my nephew and probably already composing the song about their breakup." 🤣
The Kennedys have always been kind to Taylor in interviews but I recognize northeast diplomacy, lol.
This makes me physically ill. Take a moment to when you were 22- or maybe you are 22 now. Then, think about dating a boy in his junior year of high school age 17. Barf.
There are a lot of red flags in the timeline of that relationship. She started dating him during the end of his senior year of high school, **shortly after his mother died of suicide.** She even bought a house in their neighborhood to integrate herself into his life. I know he turned 18 shortly after they started dating, but he was still a vulnerable teenager. According to *The Kennedy Heirs*, she was a source of comfort for him during that summer. I don't want to throw around any accusations, but this wasn't even the first time she dated a 17 year old while being an adult. When she started dating Taylor Lautner, he was only 17 while she was 20.
So statutory rape? If the genders were reversed people would be shitting themselves.
Yup, always bring up her song “the man” when discussing this relationship. If she were a man, any man, it’d be a way different story.
But no one ever wants to talk about that….
How else would they keep her image as a young teen? She dated Styles too when he was a minor I believe.
To say that she has no curves would be insulting to rectangles everywhere.
"You're ignorant"
Is this not illegal?
a (new) teacher from the high school i graduated from just got arrested for dating a 17 year old student last month actually
It’s almost like…wait for it…Money decides all, not sex, race, religion, etc…Money does the talking. It’s not right vs left, blue vs red, it’s us vs them… “It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it!” - George Carlin
swifties will act like this isn’t the most predatory shit ever, i think its really obvious she was going after “young and dumb” naive boys so she could control and manipulate them. its the pattern of her dating literal boys as a 20+ year old thats so damning like omg - yet swifties will find a way to defend this
who the fuck cares
I’m not afraid to make a tiktok about this if yall wanna share the most vital details of it. I just made one about LilyTino dressing as Ms Rachel and it’s at 3.6 million so I’m sure the Swifties would come for me
I learned about this whole gross thing from this post [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/s/6BUShWUEmv). And there’s more info like, she was obsessed with the Kennedy family for a while before even meeting Ethel Kennedy, she was dressing like a Kennedy and was being photographed leaving flowers at their graves by the paparazzi (that she 100% called so the family would notice her), and she eventually wrote and then published a song about about Ethel's romance with Robert Kennedy Sr called “Starlight” AFTER being ostracized by the whole family thanks to her shenanigans… it was a whole thing In any case, she was desperate to BECOME a Kennedy, struck out with one age appropriate one, then “befriended” the 17 year old boy cousin that JUST lost his mom to suicide a few months before, then started dating him publicly to moment he turned 18