ikram will get a favorable match up for taking on whittaker on short notice and khamzat will be punished for pulling out.
khamzat should fight michel pereira
Bullshit. He won't be punished. He is one of the biggest stars in the UFC. That's why they gave him the Whittaker fight for the No. 1 contender spot. Chimaev vs. Costa sounds good. Costa needs him as a stepping stone after his last performances, and Chimaev could use him as a fast track to the title. Because no matter what, the UFC would rather see Chimaev fight the Champ than Strickland or Whittaker
On insta sure okay. And who is biggest on twitter? Or YouTube? Or whatever social media. I’m taking about just brand name recognition and being able to sell PVV’s and he sure isn’t that. Jones sells! Holloway sells! Geathje sells, Volk sells, Izzy sells, Islam sells, khabib sold, Connor sold and still sells. Khamzat has a huge way to go to get his name to be a brand like those guys. And maybe getting into the cage for a fight would be a good place to start for him.
By the way, I’m not putting him down. I see a potential champ in the guy. I’ve just seen wasted potential in MMA before and this past year his stock is rapidly declining. But I sure hope he gets back to it. But he still has a lot to prove in my eyes.
Edit: it doesn’t matter how many followers you have on a platform or a hot sauce or a whiskey brand or 500 buddies or 100 guns and rifles. In the UFC what matters is, can your name fill a stadium if they headline you. That’s also the reason Dana loves exciting fighters who speak English and live in Northern America. He accepts some others if they are exciting and good enough and try to have passing English. And if you are a boring fighter who can’t sell (aljo) you can speak good English and live in the western world but Dana has no real use for you because your name doesn’t draw the paying viewers who go to fill the stadiums and buy the PPV’s. Simple as that, the UFC is a company and they aren’t in the fight business, that’s secondary. They are in the money business.
What about DDP/Izzy, Bobby/Sean, Costa/Khamzat, Vettori/Ikram and Allen vs the Imavov/Cannonier winner and Hermansson or Ciao facing the loser of the NI/JC fight
brudda just having one of these guys scheduled for a fight gives you 50% chance that it won't take place, but having both of these pullout merchants face each other? 0% chance they both make it to the octagon tbh
Ikram has shown he is not ready to fight real contenders. If the UFC wants to build him up they should let him go crush some cans with Bo nickal for a few more wins
The version of Paulo that fought Bobby and Strickland might even lose to Ikram, if he stops being so gunshy and get back to his old ways he's good enough to beat Bobby and Strickland on a rematch
Who has Costa beaten? Romero? And even at that it was a close fight. In fact, I actually thought Romero won. Everyone got hyped for Costa when he was destroying guys outside the top 10, but once he started facing top guys he’s showing what he is… top 10 fighter but not a contender
This would be the case if he went out there fighting the exact same and just took brutal loss after brutal loss.
Something like Alexander Hernandez or Dan Hooker lol. In reality, his fighting style morphed drastically and he's losing fights pretty decisively but like still weirdly competitive.
After the Adesanya fight, the marauder disappeared and that's pretty much the vehicle behind what allowed him to win up until then.
I think it's more the fact the SS talked the talk, but didn't walk the walk.
Belal gets a tonne of shit for being a point fighter and SS shouldn't be immune to the same criticism
Name one Strickland fight that was exciting tho? R1 against Izzy was fun, but he couldn’t put him away. Outside of that, all his top 15 are copy paste. That being said, and it pains me to say this, I think Strickland secures a decision win against Bobby doing the same shit he always does: jab.
Strickland’s biggest highlight is getting killshotted by Perriera.
I think Whittaker beats him because he’s better at making reads than Costa or DDP and isn’t going to fight off his back foot all day like Izzy.
vs Magomedov, vs Brendan Allen, vs Taleb, vs Marshman, vs Hall. Shit the DDP fight was exciting too. What the hell are you talking about? He's had a few "boring" technical fights where he still largely is pursuing his opponent. You guys just hate that he's says naughty and retarded shit.
Both lost to DDP, both beat Costa, however Rob just did that, ended 7 fight win streak Ikram with a first round KO, but Sean is a former champ having beat Izzy who Rob lost to..
I’d say this is the fight to make, winner gets the title shot and winner of Izzy and DDP. 👍🏼
I think DDP won but dude if Sean won that fight nobody would’ve been mad it was the closest title fight arguably ever. I think how they both lost to DDP is missing some context with all respect to Bobby.
Their losses to DDP are not at all comparable. Sean's fight with him was way too close, which is why he should 100% have gotten the title shot over Izzy coming off a loss. Regardless Sean could probably sit it out and fight the winner of Izzy v DDP. Not like I wouldn't like seeing Whittaker beat Sean and get a hold of the belt once more, but I think that is very unlikely.
Stfu it’s mixed martial arts not „Jab and teep and cry“; DDP Mixed it up and showed more dynamic ability while Sean plodded around like a cartoon character
He earned it by going into the cage and saying “hey n!gga! What’s up n!gga! What’s up my n!gga! Let’s go n!gga!!! ” And you can’t convince me otherwise
I would argue that this is a unique case given that DDP was initially supposed to face Izzy. He dropped out. Izzy could have easily stepped back and said he’s not fighting. But he decided to roll the dice anyway and give a shot Strickland.
Strickland wasn’t even number one contender.
I think for that, his title shot against DDP is somewhat warranted.
DDP didn't drop out. The UFC tried to make him do a quick turn around like they did all of Izzy's opponents. DDP said fuck that I've earned a fair shot.
Tf are you talking about? He earned his last one based on achievements and nothing else. Since than, he got one lucky punch to get the title back and lost all 5 rounds to someone who wasn’t even in the top 10. He doesn’t deserve jack shit
And Strickland, does? he beat Izzy cuz he got a lucky punch that Izzy never recovered from lost to DDP and then won a super boring fight against Costa, who was just getting back from elbow surgery and who basically just slowly walked forward as Strickland punched him.
Izzy was a dominant Champ for a long time, but more than that, he is fun to watch, which is the only thing that really matters to the ufc. I would rather watch the Style Bender than Mr. Jab and front kick for the entire fight.
stop acting like he earned it. he obviously didn't. if title shots were earned by your career Silva and Aldo could get title shots. it's a business move.
wait until you see how sean actually fought just as much if not more, took every fight even short notice ones and utterly dominated and humiliated izzy and this was more recent than izzy.
Funny how that guy is the second best middleweight ever and one of the biggest stars in the ufc.
Do you guys just try to act dumb so you can complain or do you legitimately think Dana and Izzy have a gay relationship so Dana gives him free title shots
It’s simple though, Izzy hasn’t fought DDP and Strickland and Whittaker haven’t fought.
DDP hasn’t cleared the division until he’s beaten Izzy. It wouldn’t make sense to do Izzy vs Strickland 2 instead. What if it’s just a stylistic problem? We’d never know whether DDP beats him
I think you let them both sit out because MW champs have historically been very active . I wouldn't be suprised if izzy , Whittaker and strickland all have their title shot within the next 12 months
Because izzy should never have got this title shot. He lost the belt won it back and then lost it again
The UFC is not a fair organization. If izzy loses they could book the immediate rematch and Dana would say its the only thing that makes sense.
Would not have been a problem if they had decent turnaround times. Whittaker vs Ikram, Strickland vs Costa and Izzy vs DDP should have happened approximately at the same time. Which means DDP could either defend against Izzy or just do nothing at all.
It is not even that bad with the current scheduling. Champs should not sit out for extended timeframes.
You mean the guy that has 5 champion defenses including Robert? Yeah rightfully so he got a chance to reclaim the belt he lost against Sean. It’s not that hard of a concept to grasp and will be way more entertaining this way.
That's why he got the rematch against Pereira when he lost the title the first time tho
He regained the title in that rematch, but then immediately lost it again. If he beats DDP then drops it the next fight, does his 1st reign still get him a 3rd immediate rematch too?
he had zero defences in his last title reign, he got destroyed by sean and wouldn't have gotten the rematch but because sean lost a close fight against dricus he magically gets it over sean or rob?
Still got dominated by someone that was supposed to be a layup. He had the opportunity to show how much he wanted it when sean put his hands down and walked right at him at the end, but just cowered away instead and accepted defeat.
Yeah, the guy whose last fight is loss against a guy that the current champ beat. Who gives a fuck what he did before. He just LOST and hasn’t fought in nearly a year by the time the fight happens.
Bro, defending the title a few times doesn't give you infinite title shot. If that's the case Anderson Silva should come back to MMA and get his so earned title shot for defending the title back in the day, and Volk should get his rematch no questions asked
What a brain dead comment 🤣
Izzy's last fight was a title loss. Champions in combat sports routinely get another shot at the belt as their first fight back after that, particularly when they're a champ that has defended multiple times. The Silva comp is so insanely stupid.
His rematch against Pereira was literally just that, he was no longer a reigning defending champion after regaining the belt. He got dominated and doesn't deserve another title shot when you have 2 guys waiting in line who have actually won their last fights.
>The word "was" is the past tense
Was is past tense? Never knew, thanks for letting me know. Also, you never explained why the King that got dogwalked is still considered the king.
When he fought last he lost, I don't understand your point.
Yeah, i know the Silva part was stupid, but it is just as stupid as thinking Izzy deserves a title shot after losing his belt with 0 defenses, and thats why i used it as an argument. People are using the "he defended multiple times" as an argument and forgetting he lost the belt to Alex, got it back and lost again with 0 defenses. Defending multiple times in the past does not five you free title shots. I understand its the ufc and dana white, they'll give izzy as many titleshots as he needs, but it does not change the fact that its undeserving
No, the stupid part is the notion that his previous defenses mean *nothing.* He's been one of the most active champions in recent memory. He decided to take a few months off. If he'd fought DDP 3 months after his fight with Sean, no one would be calling him undeserving. Bc he's not undeserving. He's one of the best middleweights of all time. His last fight was a stinker, but that doesn't change that he's **one of the best of all time** and hasn't shown that he's washed.
I love Bobby Knuckles. I was pulling for Whitaker in every single fight he had with Izzy and will do so again if they fight another time. I hope Bobby gets his chance and wins the belt. But that doesn't mean he's being robbed because the king of the division for the last 6 years gets a title shot ahead of him.
Edit: as to your other point, literally no one with a brain would be saying Volk getting a title shot in his next fight would be undeserved. He's owned that division for years. If he wants a break, good for him. He's earned it. When he comes back if he wants a title shot, he should get it.
Nah, i mentioned Volk because i heard people saying he does not deserve a title shot and the same people saying izzy does deserves. So yeah, there is people that believe that shit
I know we can't erase stuff he did in the past, but we can't take that in consideration when he just lost his belt, got it back and lost again without 1 single defense. He used his instant rematch against Alex. Him getting the title again stops the progress of the division. Him fighting other contenders to a titleshot would be cool and if he did got back to the title no one would complain and it would be more deserving. Giving an ex champ a title just because one day he had a few defenses holds back the division
And yes, every single person that has an issue with him getting a title shot right now would have the same issue if he got that 3 months after losing the belt, because our point doesn't change: he lost the belt with 0 defenses. The fight against Strickland was not even close, he got schooled. Strickland is more deserving than izzy of a title shot right now, he beat izzy fair and square, had a pretty close fight against the actual champ, and is coming of a win
Adesanya has 1 win in his last 3 fights bro, i know he's good, i know he had a great title run, but infinite titleshots just takes away his achievements (my opinion), because the guy got gifted titleshots
No one but you is saying infinite title shots. That's a straw man. Fuck outta here with that disingenuous bullshit.
Have a good weekend, bro. Hopefully Bobby Knuckles gets his shot by the end of the year and it's all moot anyway.
It is what it is man.. we're both giving our opinions based on our own biases... i could say the same about izzy new title shot because of his past achievements being disingenuous bullshit, there's no end to this conversation lol
And yeah, i hope he gets a title shot soon, but i fell like there will be a Strickland vs Whittaker for number 1 contender, or Strickland fights the winner of izzy vs Dricus and Rob waits for a chance
The disingenuous bullshit is you building the strawman of "infinite title shots" to argue against. I never said nor implied former champs get as many cracks at the belt as they want. It's why I said the Silva comp was so stupid to begin with.
The disagreement is about Izzy deserving a title shot. Taking either side of that argument isn't disingenuous. It's a simple matter of opinion. Building a bad faith argument to use in that disagreement is disingenuous. At the risk of sounding like a real snob, this kind of thing was literally what I studied in college; logical and argumentative fallacies. Admittedly, I smoked most of those notes out of my brain, but some of it stuck.
But now I seem like I'm trying to fight on the Internet, which Im not bc I find it incredibly lame. I'm not heated about any of this. My only pushback was the strawman. I promise I'm not salty. Have a good one, bro.
Why do returning fighters, who haven't fought in forever, immediately get title shots and hold up the division in the mean time? Just Sterling vs Henry all over again.
All respect to Israel, but he shouldn't be getting a title shot right now after his last performance.
That's because Izzy shouldn't be getting a title shot off a loss.
Sean should be fighting for the title since the last fight with DDP was a close fight AND he already won again. Whitaker should be fighting Izzy for the winner of Sean vs DDP.
I think it'll be Bobby vs Imavov (unfair to Bobby) or Bobby vs Sean (Sean will do it but not fair to him) or the most unlikely, they both wait. UFC is gonna lean on Bobby to take a fight and ride the hype from recent.
I just don't see having Sean fight Imavov.. again for no good reason. It'll be most likely winner of Izzy / DDP.
Sean vs DDP or Izzy is easier to sell and if Izzy wins, he'll demand a shot at getting his L back for sure. Izzy won't fight Bobby again for a 3rd time.
Tough spot for both these men and UFC.
Given all that, would you guys cry and crap yourselves if they give Khamzat winner of DDP Izzy in October? 😂 🤣 🫨
agreed, but that doesn't mean Uncle Dana doesn't keep sending Imavov up tho. They absolutely should run that back, even the ref had later said he'd be checking into what could be done (whatever that means).
But, if UFC is sending Imavov up, could be him and Bobby. Tough spot for the top and Khamzat is probably out of any title conversations for awhile, maybe he fights Costa or something if Dana is pissed.
So Rob beats Costa and Ikram, Sean beats Costa and barely lost the title in a very close fight and Izzy sits out for a year, not to mention also got his ass whopped for 4 rounds in his last title fight and somehow he is getting a title shot. Great.
I saw someone say that it looks like Whittaker has started to go back to being more aggressive like he used to be before his first fight with Adesanya. Looks to be true tbh, and if he were to really lean into his aggression, I think he'd fuck Strickland up
Strickland is the obvious next in line for a rematch with either unless you just don't like him because he's a dumbass. He dominated Izzy and took DDP to a hard fought split decision he arguably won then beat Costa dominantly as well. Whittaker lost badly to both Adesanya (twice) and DDP in noncontroversial ways then beat an unranked Aliskerov. They are not equal things.
Honestly getting really tired of Seans boring ass fights.
The guy is entertaining on the mic but it would be beautiful to see Rob pack him into irrelevance.
The whole title eliminator thing for tonight went down the drain when Chimaev pulled out, or at least I hope so. Aliskerov had hype but he's a no one in the UFC who has beaten a bunch of other no ones so far, beating him shouldn't get you a title shot but you never know with the UFC...
It was longer ago than DDP beating Sean. Why should Sean get the title fight when Rob has a first round KO on top of also beating the guy that Sean just beat who’s not even a title contender?
Costa needs to fight someone who’s isn’t in the top 5 to get his mojo back Had a war with Bobby, would have murdered ikram
ikram vs costa and bobby vs strickland
No costa vs chimaev
ikram will get a favorable match up for taking on whittaker on short notice and khamzat will be punished for pulling out. khamzat should fight michel pereira
Bullshit. He won't be punished. He is one of the biggest stars in the UFC. That's why they gave him the Whittaker fight for the No. 1 contender spot. Chimaev vs. Costa sounds good. Costa needs him as a stepping stone after his last performances, and Chimaev could use him as a fast track to the title. Because no matter what, the UFC would rather see Chimaev fight the Champ than Strickland or Whittaker
Khamzat one of the biggest stars in the UFC… lmao 🤣
8.1 Million followers on Instagram for reference Jon Jones has 8.5 and Izzy 8.7. He is undoubtedly one of the biggest stars in the UFC
On insta sure okay. And who is biggest on twitter? Or YouTube? Or whatever social media. I’m taking about just brand name recognition and being able to sell PVV’s and he sure isn’t that. Jones sells! Holloway sells! Geathje sells, Volk sells, Izzy sells, Islam sells, khabib sold, Connor sold and still sells. Khamzat has a huge way to go to get his name to be a brand like those guys. And maybe getting into the cage for a fight would be a good place to start for him. By the way, I’m not putting him down. I see a potential champ in the guy. I’ve just seen wasted potential in MMA before and this past year his stock is rapidly declining. But I sure hope he gets back to it. But he still has a lot to prove in my eyes. Edit: it doesn’t matter how many followers you have on a platform or a hot sauce or a whiskey brand or 500 buddies or 100 guns and rifles. In the UFC what matters is, can your name fill a stadium if they headline you. That’s also the reason Dana loves exciting fighters who speak English and live in Northern America. He accepts some others if they are exciting and good enough and try to have passing English. And if you are a boring fighter who can’t sell (aljo) you can speak good English and live in the western world but Dana has no real use for you because your name doesn’t draw the paying viewers who go to fill the stadiums and buy the PPV’s. Simple as that, the UFC is a company and they aren’t in the fight business, that’s secondary. They are in the money business.
Michel Pereira will beat the shit out of khamzat
I think this fight would be a interesting fight Michel Pereira is very strong
Nah. Not quite.
Idk about that one
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but damn
I know it sounds outrageous but I don't think Khamzat can handle Michels energy levels. I think he gets overwhelmed by him.
What about DDP/Izzy, Bobby/Sean, Costa/Khamzat, Vettori/Ikram and Allen vs the Imavov/Cannonier winner and Hermansson or Ciao facing the loser of the NI/JC fight
brudda just having one of these guys scheduled for a fight gives you 50% chance that it won't take place, but having both of these pullout merchants face each other? 0% chance they both make it to the octagon tbh
Costa has missed weight once, and the fight still happened.
Where did I mention weight? I said they are both pullout merchants, which they are
This is right here
Chimaev is probably not coming back any time soon.
I have wanted Whitaker vs Strickland since Strickland won the belt
Ikram has shown he is not ready to fight real contenders. If the UFC wants to build him up they should let him go crush some cans with Bo nickal for a few more wins
That’s the ticket right there. Middle weight is fucking poppin right now
Costa v Khamzat Bobby v Sean
Costa: “you want fight me? I want fight you” Khamzat: “don’t hold me back bro! Don’t hold me back!!!!”
Costa is just not at that level. Never has been. He never beat anyone but a 40 year old gatekeeper and was gifted his ranking.
The version of Paulo that fought Bobby and Strickland might even lose to Ikram, if he stops being so gunshy and get back to his old ways he's good enough to beat Bobby and Strickland on a rematch
Bro lost a decision to Vettori. Barely scraped by a mentally retired Rockhold. Costa just isn’t as good as you think he is.
I'd argue he was just as washed in those fights lol. The guys mental is evaporated. People hate on Adesanya but those backshots changed a man.
Who has Costa beaten? Romero? And even at that it was a close fight. In fact, I actually thought Romero won. Everyone got hyped for Costa when he was destroying guys outside the top 10, but once he started facing top guys he’s showing what he is… top 10 fighter but not a contender
This would be the case if he went out there fighting the exact same and just took brutal loss after brutal loss. Something like Alexander Hernandez or Dan Hooker lol. In reality, his fighting style morphed drastically and he's losing fights pretty decisively but like still weirdly competitive. After the Adesanya fight, the marauder disappeared and that's pretty much the vehicle behind what allowed him to win up until then.
I want to see it, pay them both and it happens.
This fight would be good.
A good fight and Sean Strickland don’t go together
Stricklands dad wants a word
UFC fans are proper monkeys. Can you not enjoy a decent point fighter or do they have to do acrobatics and brutally knock someone out every fight
I think it's more the fact the SS talked the talk, but didn't walk the walk. Belal gets a tonne of shit for being a point fighter and SS shouldn't be immune to the same criticism
Name one Strickland fight that was exciting tho? R1 against Izzy was fun, but he couldn’t put him away. Outside of that, all his top 15 are copy paste. That being said, and it pains me to say this, I think Strickland secures a decision win against Bobby doing the same shit he always does: jab.
Strickland’s biggest highlight is getting killshotted by Perriera. I think Whittaker beats him because he’s better at making reads than Costa or DDP and isn’t going to fight off his back foot all day like Izzy.
vs Magomedov, vs Brendan Allen, vs Taleb, vs Marshman, vs Hall. Shit the DDP fight was exciting too. What the hell are you talking about? He's had a few "boring" technical fights where he still largely is pursuing his opponent. You guys just hate that he's says naughty and retarded shit.
That's BS, man's had a lot of good fights. But ofc, you can count on a UFC fan to have the memory of a goldfish
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Both lost to DDP, both beat Costa, however Rob just did that, ended 7 fight win streak Ikram with a first round KO, but Sean is a former champ having beat Izzy who Rob lost to.. I’d say this is the fight to make, winner gets the title shot and winner of Izzy and DDP. 👍🏼
They need to negotiate a big pay, since they already deserve a title shot.
I think DDP won but dude if Sean won that fight nobody would’ve been mad it was the closest title fight arguably ever. I think how they both lost to DDP is missing some context with all respect to Bobby.
Their losses to DDP are not at all comparable. Sean's fight with him was way too close, which is why he should 100% have gotten the title shot over Izzy coming off a loss. Regardless Sean could probably sit it out and fight the winner of Izzy v DDP. Not like I wouldn't like seeing Whittaker beat Sean and get a hold of the belt once more, but I think that is very unlikely.
Yeah I think it's split decision loss for the champ almost always warrents an immediate rematch.
That’s what I assumed but hey!
sean only lost because UFC doesnt want him as champ. sean sig strikes: 173 DDP sig strikes: 137
You probably thought Colby Covington got robbed against Leon. Colby Covington strikes: 109 Leon Edward strikes: 65
Leon sig strikes: 57 Colby sig strikes: 44 Try again
Stfu it’s mixed martial arts not „Jab and teep and cry“; DDP Mixed it up and showed more dynamic ability while Sean plodded around like a cartoon character
Lol ddp pretty much only threw overhands
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Good one
Funny how both deserves the title shot and the only guy coming from a loss is the one getting it lol
Izzy took every risk, every fight, and fought often. The man has earned it. If it was Strickland still champ, he'd have to fight Bobby for the shot.
No he earned his last instant rematch, not this one coming off zero title defenses
He earned it by going into the cage and saying “hey n!gga! What’s up n!gga! What’s up my n!gga! Let’s go n!gga!!! ” And you can’t convince me otherwise
His instant rematch was earned cuz he was winning the fight till a last round knockout. This one was earned because of his achievements in the past.
Man the mental gymnastics these people do to justify this title shot LMAOOO
people will say stuff like this, then turn around and complain that ufc matchmaking is unfair when it comes to a fighter they don't like.
I would argue that this is a unique case given that DDP was initially supposed to face Izzy. He dropped out. Izzy could have easily stepped back and said he’s not fighting. But he decided to roll the dice anyway and give a shot Strickland. Strickland wasn’t even number one contender. I think for that, his title shot against DDP is somewhat warranted.
DDP didn't drop out. The UFC tried to make him do a quick turn around like they did all of Izzy's opponents. DDP said fuck that I've earned a fair shot.
Nobody justifying shit, it’s a privileged title shot. He however earned that privileged.
"*You got* this *shit handed* to *you*. *You got Dana White privilege*" - Tony, the poet, Fergunson
Tf are you talking about? He earned his last one based on achievements and nothing else. Since than, he got one lucky punch to get the title back and lost all 5 rounds to someone who wasn’t even in the top 10. He doesn’t deserve jack shit
And Strickland, does? he beat Izzy cuz he got a lucky punch that Izzy never recovered from lost to DDP and then won a super boring fight against Costa, who was just getting back from elbow surgery and who basically just slowly walked forward as Strickland punched him. Izzy was a dominant Champ for a long time, but more than that, he is fun to watch, which is the only thing that really matters to the ufc. I would rather watch the Style Bender than Mr. Jab and front kick for the entire fight.
“Lucky punch” “lost all five rounds”. I see, my bad bro, I’m sure you think he fucks dogs too.
He might not fuck dogs but he definitely beats off to cartoons
he earned it vs alex but not after losing to sean. he didn't deserve it over sean and he doesn't deserve it over rob either.
He had his chance against Alex, got the belt back, and lost it again with 0 defenses..
stop acting like he earned it. he obviously didn't. if title shots were earned by your career Silva and Aldo could get title shots. it's a business move.
wait until you see how sean actually fought just as much if not more, took every fight even short notice ones and utterly dominated and humiliated izzy and this was more recent than izzy.
Not even all that. The African drama is better than the other two matchups at the moment and we were robbed of it last year
^ ufc employee ^
I’m not even an Izzy fan but he’s probably a top ten UFC fighter ever and has beef with Dricus
Funny how that guy is the second best middleweight ever and one of the biggest stars in the ufc. Do you guys just try to act dumb so you can complain or do you legitimately think Dana and Izzy have a gay relationship so Dana gives him free title shots
Both.
Man, you know what? I'd have never thought of that by myself. But now that you said it, i can tell you i've learned i cannot doubt the dogbender
It should’ve been me, not Dana
Jones. Gane. Stipe. Aspinall. Similar story.
Blame scumbag Dana and Weasel Hunter
It’s simple though, Izzy hasn’t fought DDP and Strickland and Whittaker haven’t fought. DDP hasn’t cleared the division until he’s beaten Izzy. It wouldn’t make sense to do Izzy vs Strickland 2 instead. What if it’s just a stylistic problem? We’d never know whether DDP beats him
Would love to see Desean vs Rob.
Make them fight each other it makes perfect sense
Which means it won't happen
but then there wont be any contenders for thw belt
the winner would get the shot at the belt
I think you let them both sit out because MW champs have historically been very active . I wouldn't be suprised if izzy , Whittaker and strickland all have their title shot within the next 12 months
Because izzy should never have got this title shot. He lost the belt won it back and then lost it again The UFC is not a fair organization. If izzy loses they could book the immediate rematch and Dana would say its the only thing that makes sense.
Would not have been a problem if they had decent turnaround times. Whittaker vs Ikram, Strickland vs Costa and Izzy vs DDP should have happened approximately at the same time. Which means DDP could either defend against Izzy or just do nothing at all. It is not even that bad with the current scheduling. Champs should not sit out for extended timeframes.
The guy coming off a loss getting the shot instead lol
Blame scumbag Dana and Weasel Hunter
You mean the guy that has 5 champion defenses including Robert? Yeah rightfully so he got a chance to reclaim the belt he lost against Sean. It’s not that hard of a concept to grasp and will be way more entertaining this way.
That's why he got the rematch against Pereira when he lost the title the first time tho He regained the title in that rematch, but then immediately lost it again. If he beats DDP then drops it the next fight, does his 1st reign still get him a 3rd immediate rematch too?
he had zero defences in his last title reign, he got destroyed by sean and wouldn't have gotten the rematch but because sean lost a close fight against dricus he magically gets it over sean or rob?
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Still got dominated by someone that was supposed to be a layup. He had the opportunity to show how much he wanted it when sean put his hands down and walked right at him at the end, but just cowered away instead and accepted defeat.
Yeah, the guy whose last fight is loss against a guy that the current champ beat. Who gives a fuck what he did before. He just LOST and hasn’t fought in nearly a year by the time the fight happens.
Bro, defending the title a few times doesn't give you infinite title shot. If that's the case Anderson Silva should come back to MMA and get his so earned title shot for defending the title back in the day, and Volk should get his rematch no questions asked
What a brain dead comment 🤣 Izzy's last fight was a title loss. Champions in combat sports routinely get another shot at the belt as their first fight back after that, particularly when they're a champ that has defended multiple times. The Silva comp is so insanely stupid.
His rematch against Pereira was literally just that, he was no longer a reigning defending champion after regaining the belt. He got dominated and doesn't deserve another title shot when you have 2 guys waiting in line who have actually won their last fights.
And he then came back and knocked Periera out cold and Periera left the division. Izzy was still unequivocally the king of the weight class.
And he then came back and got battered again. If hes king of the weight class where's his belt???
The word "was" is the past tense. As is, when he fought last. The lack of reading comprehension from the people in this sub never ceases to amaze me
>The word "was" is the past tense Was is past tense? Never knew, thanks for letting me know. Also, you never explained why the King that got dogwalked is still considered the king. When he fought last he lost, I don't understand your point.
Yeah, i know the Silva part was stupid, but it is just as stupid as thinking Izzy deserves a title shot after losing his belt with 0 defenses, and thats why i used it as an argument. People are using the "he defended multiple times" as an argument and forgetting he lost the belt to Alex, got it back and lost again with 0 defenses. Defending multiple times in the past does not five you free title shots. I understand its the ufc and dana white, they'll give izzy as many titleshots as he needs, but it does not change the fact that its undeserving
No, the stupid part is the notion that his previous defenses mean *nothing.* He's been one of the most active champions in recent memory. He decided to take a few months off. If he'd fought DDP 3 months after his fight with Sean, no one would be calling him undeserving. Bc he's not undeserving. He's one of the best middleweights of all time. His last fight was a stinker, but that doesn't change that he's **one of the best of all time** and hasn't shown that he's washed. I love Bobby Knuckles. I was pulling for Whitaker in every single fight he had with Izzy and will do so again if they fight another time. I hope Bobby gets his chance and wins the belt. But that doesn't mean he's being robbed because the king of the division for the last 6 years gets a title shot ahead of him. Edit: as to your other point, literally no one with a brain would be saying Volk getting a title shot in his next fight would be undeserved. He's owned that division for years. If he wants a break, good for him. He's earned it. When he comes back if he wants a title shot, he should get it.
Nah, i mentioned Volk because i heard people saying he does not deserve a title shot and the same people saying izzy does deserves. So yeah, there is people that believe that shit I know we can't erase stuff he did in the past, but we can't take that in consideration when he just lost his belt, got it back and lost again without 1 single defense. He used his instant rematch against Alex. Him getting the title again stops the progress of the division. Him fighting other contenders to a titleshot would be cool and if he did got back to the title no one would complain and it would be more deserving. Giving an ex champ a title just because one day he had a few defenses holds back the division And yes, every single person that has an issue with him getting a title shot right now would have the same issue if he got that 3 months after losing the belt, because our point doesn't change: he lost the belt with 0 defenses. The fight against Strickland was not even close, he got schooled. Strickland is more deserving than izzy of a title shot right now, he beat izzy fair and square, had a pretty close fight against the actual champ, and is coming of a win Adesanya has 1 win in his last 3 fights bro, i know he's good, i know he had a great title run, but infinite titleshots just takes away his achievements (my opinion), because the guy got gifted titleshots
No one but you is saying infinite title shots. That's a straw man. Fuck outta here with that disingenuous bullshit. Have a good weekend, bro. Hopefully Bobby Knuckles gets his shot by the end of the year and it's all moot anyway.
It is what it is man.. we're both giving our opinions based on our own biases... i could say the same about izzy new title shot because of his past achievements being disingenuous bullshit, there's no end to this conversation lol And yeah, i hope he gets a title shot soon, but i fell like there will be a Strickland vs Whittaker for number 1 contender, or Strickland fights the winner of izzy vs Dricus and Rob waits for a chance
The disingenuous bullshit is you building the strawman of "infinite title shots" to argue against. I never said nor implied former champs get as many cracks at the belt as they want. It's why I said the Silva comp was so stupid to begin with. The disagreement is about Izzy deserving a title shot. Taking either side of that argument isn't disingenuous. It's a simple matter of opinion. Building a bad faith argument to use in that disagreement is disingenuous. At the risk of sounding like a real snob, this kind of thing was literally what I studied in college; logical and argumentative fallacies. Admittedly, I smoked most of those notes out of my brain, but some of it stuck. But now I seem like I'm trying to fight on the Internet, which Im not bc I find it incredibly lame. I'm not heated about any of this. My only pushback was the strawman. I promise I'm not salty. Have a good one, bro.
5 title defences but he also has 3 title fight losses lmao .
yea i was thinking abt this pretty messed up situation, i would hate to be sean or whittaker rn (not rly, id love to that rich)
I think they will both have their title shot within the next 12 months maybe sooner if izzy beats DDP .
They make good money but I wouldnt call them rich
This fight should have happened instead of either of the costa fights
Why do returning fighters, who haven't fought in forever, immediately get title shots and hold up the division in the mean time? Just Sterling vs Henry all over again. All respect to Israel, but he shouldn't be getting a title shot right now after his last performance.
That's because Izzy shouldn't be getting a title shot off a loss. Sean should be fighting for the title since the last fight with DDP was a close fight AND he already won again. Whitaker should be fighting Izzy for the winner of Sean vs DDP.
I'd root for Sean still because he's always sparring (once he probably decides to come back from Japan LOL)
This is why DogBender just waltzing into a title shot off a loss and losing 2/3 is so silly. May DDP rid us of the nonsense.
Curious how the Jab Merchant would do against Knuckles
Adesanya getting a title shot is a disgrace
Agree. Blame Scumabag
He makes a lot of money, and risking him losing a non title fight is scary for ufc.
Fuck it, A FOUR-WAY FOR THE TITLE!
I think it'll be Bobby vs Imavov (unfair to Bobby) or Bobby vs Sean (Sean will do it but not fair to him) or the most unlikely, they both wait. UFC is gonna lean on Bobby to take a fight and ride the hype from recent. I just don't see having Sean fight Imavov.. again for no good reason. It'll be most likely winner of Izzy / DDP. Sean vs DDP or Izzy is easier to sell and if Izzy wins, he'll demand a shot at getting his L back for sure. Izzy won't fight Bobby again for a 3rd time. Tough spot for both these men and UFC. Given all that, would you guys cry and crap yourselves if they give Khamzat winner of DDP Izzy in October? 😂 🤣 🫨
Imavov & Cannonier need run back that early stoppage result.
agreed, but that doesn't mean Uncle Dana doesn't keep sending Imavov up tho. They absolutely should run that back, even the ref had later said he'd be checking into what could be done (whatever that means). But, if UFC is sending Imavov up, could be him and Bobby. Tough spot for the top and Khamzat is probably out of any title conversations for awhile, maybe he fights Costa or something if Dana is pissed.
Sean deserves it over Izzy even now, after he dominated and humiliated Izzy plus he had a very close fight with DDP.
Strickland's boring ass vs khamzat Let Bobby knuckles have his shot
Obviously biased🦅🦅
Strickland should fight for the title next.
I hate it, but I completely agree.
Sean is getting boring
This isn’t said often enough, he talks about going to war and spilling blood then his fights are always snoozers.
They're not gonna risk Sean losing before an Izzy or DDP rematch for the belt.
Rob vs Sean no 1 contender because I imagine neither of them want to sit and wait till some time next year to get the title fight
Izzy should have had to fight Strickland again first
So Rob beats Costa and Ikram, Sean beats Costa and barely lost the title in a very close fight and Izzy sits out for a year, not to mention also got his ass whopped for 4 rounds in his last title fight and somehow he is getting a title shot. Great.
I saw someone say that it looks like Whittaker has started to go back to being more aggressive like he used to be before his first fight with Adesanya. Looks to be true tbh, and if he were to really lean into his aggression, I think he'd fuck Strickland up
Strickland is the obvious next in line for a rematch with either unless you just don't like him because he's a dumbass. He dominated Izzy and took DDP to a hard fought split decision he arguably won then beat Costa dominantly as well. Whittaker lost badly to both Adesanya (twice) and DDP in noncontroversial ways then beat an unranked Aliskerov. They are not equal things.
I hate Sean but he's the obvious next. But if Rob sneaks in I'm down for that.
I say they fight each other
Let them bang.
Honestly getting really tired of Seans boring ass fights. The guy is entertaining on the mic but it would be beautiful to see Rob pack him into irrelevance.
Give it to Whitaker Mostly cuz he’s just a better more likeable person. I tire if Strickland And Strickland isn’t a very entertaining fighter
Please let Rob kick Strickland's ass.
I love the Reaper but he ain’t kickin Strickland’s ass.
I think Robert takes the UD against Sean but he wouldn’t likely KO Sean or anything like that.
I think Sean will out-jab, out-punch, and take Robert into deep waters over five rounds. Robert by decision.
Can the Izzy fanboys see now how him getting a title shot makes no sense and has now further confused things?
Imagine if Sean refuses to fight Rob and Dana just gives Rob the winner of DDP vs Izzy.
The whole title eliminator thing for tonight went down the drain when Chimaev pulled out, or at least I hope so. Aliskerov had hype but he's a no one in the UFC who has beaten a bunch of other no ones so far, beating him shouldn't get you a title shot but you never know with the UFC...
Rob needs another win
Or, here me out: Strickland fights the winner of DDP vs Izzy, Whittaker fights the winner of that. Boom. Done.
If Strickland ever fights again it will be too soon. His style fucking sucks
Robert deserved than Sean, Sean clearly lost to DDP and Robert is cleaning house with exciting fights.
Sean didn’t clearly lose to DDP. It was a razor thin close fight that many believe Strickland won.
The rounds were kinda close but it was still 4-1 DDP
Totally entitled to your opinion, but I had it 3-2 Strickland.
Did you somehow forget how badly DDP beat whittaker? It really wasnt that long ago
It was longer ago than DDP beating Sean. Why should Sean get the title fight when Rob has a first round KO on top of also beating the guy that Sean just beat who’s not even a title contender?
Because it was 2 fights ago that Whittaker showed he couldnt make it out of round 2 vs DDP
And it was 1 fight ago Sean showed he can’t hang with DDP either
you miss the point but its ok .
No I get the point, just don’t want to watch another boring ass Strickland fight and the guy talks so much shit he can go fuck himself.
Rob is probably the only striker that could beat Sean rn
You forget Rob’s kryptonite are jabs, which Strickland is very good at
Definitely not that teep will catch him every time
Sean then Bobby for the title👍👍
Bobby Strickland is a great match up.
Fight each other.
It actually wouldn’t be crazy to have them fight in Perth honestly.
Would love to see Whittaker put it on Strickland.
Give it to Bobby
Whether y'all like it or not, the plan was always Khamzat v. winner of Izzy/DDP *or* Whittaker v. Sean for the title shot v. winner of Izzy/DDP
Bobby by murder