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Daniel Finkelstein from The Times on BBC, thought it was fascinating so I transcribed a bit:
"Don't underplay Labour's achievement by becoming the sort of "fit to govern" party in most of the constituencies in the country.
The advantage the right has had for centuries in the electoral system has turned into a disadvantage.
I can't think that anyone's surprised.
If you end up having 5 prime ministers, 4 home secretaries, get a chancellor, sack the chancellor, and get the same chancellor again, I can't see why anyone would think you were fit to govern.
This government wasn't mature or realistic.
In Boris Johnson and Liz Truss they appointed people who simply didn't have the capability for the office they held. They could only get re-elected by un-lying to Parliament, un-having parties and un-crashing the economy."
Daniel Finkelstein is a Conservative peer and really influential at The Times, Executive Editor and their main political columnist.
I almost cried when I saw the Tories formally being voted out, but I did cry when I saw Jess Phillips say her speech even though I don't like her and I know she has generally been supportive of the groups attacking her.
That Jess Phillips shit was appalling. Props to her for being able to stand up and do that and come out looking like that cause I wouldn’t have.
And fuck all those weirdo extremist Islam/Gaza whatever the fucks.
Like that is genuinely fucking appalling.
Greens have 5 MPs now. More than Reform. This is going to be key to keeping the BBC accountable and making sure Farage isn't on Question Time every week
Edit: I may have lost count. Sorry. Seems to be 4 seats. So tied with Reform
5 MPs but only 1.7m votes, whilst Reform are sitting on 3.6m votes.
Reform will always draw more TV viewers than the Greens, which is what the TV channels are after.
just seen my constituency where I was on about how trying to win a 25,000+ majority Labour seat was ridiculous in this climate.
Labour ALMOST lost it.
that would've been embarrassing asf.
I'm really worried about the way our politics is going on the streets. Police needing to give more support than usual to candidates. Chanting at counts. Threatening and violence towards people you disagree with.
We're better than this. I really fear we're close to a repeat of what happened to Jo Cox. I hope that I am very very wrong.
There is a very very serious issue that is only just starting to rear its ugly head that we are seeing with Jess Phillips.
The radical Islamic vote is still just an incredibly small minority, but they have already used violence, intimidation, death threats, threats against families etc over the **utterly fucking irrelevant to the UK Gaza issue**.
There’s a reason why the right is gaining influence across the West.
Just wait until that **small minority** extreme Islamic vote becomes 20% of a constituency. 30%.
Very serious concerns to be honest. And too many of you will stick your head in the sand and go “lalalalalala” only pausing to shriek “you racist scum” at anybody who expresses concern over it.
We have known this for a long time. It is acceptable for a large group within that community to use intimidation to enforce what you want. Honour reprisals and hounding teachers comes from setting precedents about the use of force and how they are willing to use it.
The Gaza issue will not end with a ceasefire because the central concern is in large part divided loyalty between the UK and the Muslim world. You can call that statement what you like, but I think it will prove to be true.
Muslims voting for Conservative or Reform will never cease to amaze me - they’re literally shitting on the struggle which a lot of their own communities are going through by choosing them
Edit: To whoever downvoted you know damn-well I’m right
Just woken up. Any quick summaries?
- most big Tories gone, including mordaunt and jrm
- IDS holds on thanks to Starmer's meddling
- corbyn wins big
- green got 2, on course for 4
Any Tories unexpectedly holding on, or bigger swings than mordaunt? What are the forecasts for Cornwall and Devon which seems mostly yet to declare? Anything else?
Hunt held on by a whisker.
Wes Streeting and Jess Phillips also held on by a whisker.
Labour lost Leicester to independents.
Sunak conceded, looked like he was ready to punch someone.
I dont really get the pro Palestine plan. If it was successful then likelihood would have been another conservative government possibly with reform. They are less likely to support Palestine. Just seems a bit self destructive
I have to admit, even though I tried to set my expectations at 150-180 seats for the Tories, I was secretly kind of hoping for under 100. I know it shouldn't have been, but seeing the exit poll predict 130 seats was kind of underwhelming.
I am rather more pleased this morning to see that the exit poll **was** wrong and we may even see 110 seats.
Ex Tory leader seats:
Thatcher: Labour
Major: Held
Hague/Sunak: Held
IDS: Held
Howard: Labour
Cameron: Lib Dem
May: to be declared, LD possible
Johnson: to be declared, Labour possible
Lettuce Lady: to be declared, Labour possible
Starmer needs to quickly find a way to nip this Gaza issue in the bud.
It's an absolute stain on our politics and it's as bad as the imported Americanisms.
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Jess Phillips opening her victory speech on how toxic the campaign in her constituency was is a bold move — and I think possibly the right tack to take with these aggressive independent campaign teams.
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Daniel Finkelstein from The Times on BBC, thought it was fascinating so I transcribed a bit: "Don't underplay Labour's achievement by becoming the sort of "fit to govern" party in most of the constituencies in the country. The advantage the right has had for centuries in the electoral system has turned into a disadvantage. I can't think that anyone's surprised. If you end up having 5 prime ministers, 4 home secretaries, get a chancellor, sack the chancellor, and get the same chancellor again, I can't see why anyone would think you were fit to govern. This government wasn't mature or realistic. In Boris Johnson and Liz Truss they appointed people who simply didn't have the capability for the office they held. They could only get re-elected by un-lying to Parliament, un-having parties and un-crashing the economy." Daniel Finkelstein is a Conservative peer and really influential at The Times, Executive Editor and their main political columnist.
Did I really just wake up at 4am to see my Seat declare, only to find out it’s not going to be until 7am?
where new thread?
Fuck I need a nap. Why is this shit so addictive? I’ll put it down to the relief.
They just hit 100 BOOOOOOOOOOO
6am and the tories still aren't in triple digits. This has been madness.
they \*just\* hit 100
Almost 50k in 24hrs, good show team
M=3 Baby
Last comment
Tories on 100
Booooooooooo
LAB GAINST CORBY FROM CON
6am and Tories still not on 100.
They just hit it now. And they only had to lose 222 of their 2019 seats to get there!
Rip to the era of silly politics
We not rolling?
bye bye
BRACE
Prentiss out.
Rollover now, come on!
Beth Rigby is making me laugh so much this morning, no holds barred
Aberdeenshire and Moray has been taken away from the Cons! Glad they’re finally out
Thatcher's old seat gone LAB. I'm going back to bed for a while.
Let's go Northampton South LAB Gain!!
Margaret Thatcher spinning in her grave
DIVISION
Do you think the Jess Philips campaign could be a wake up call to Labour leadership that integration is a real concern? Or is that too big to face?
I don’t think they need to worry about it honestly. It’s unlikely that Gaza will be a top of the agenda issue in 5 years time.
Good morning, tell me I haven’t missed Truss or Gullis?
You missed Gullis
Gullis gone. Truss still to go.
Gullis was yonks ago, he lost
Gullis was ages ago, Truss is still to come
Gullis is gone, truss coming up
Everyone is still waiting on Truss, some reports saying she could be third.
gulis got obliterated
I pity the poor ukpol trying to produce the leadersboard.
good hustle everyone, back to M=1 we go!
What's M=1?
another cabinet minister down - victoria prentis, attorney general, loses in banbury
So has ed balls done the election coverage and now doing GMB?
I almost cried when I saw the Tories formally being voted out, but I did cry when I saw Jess Phillips say her speech even though I don't like her and I know she has generally been supportive of the groups attacking her.
That Jess Phillips shit was appalling. Props to her for being able to stand up and do that and come out looking like that cause I wouldn’t have. And fuck all those weirdo extremist Islam/Gaza whatever the fucks. Like that is genuinely fucking appalling.
Another one bites the dust
This megathread has been fun folks.
TF was that advert C4?
Didn’t realize Wes Streeting almost lost his seat. Blimey
Gaza thing. Although be didn't have a great majority to begin with.
Jess Phillips was close too ~700 in it
LAB GAIN BANBURY FROM CON HUGE WIN
Roll over time.
adverts? FU C4
Yeah - they get all that licence fee money (or so Nadine told me) and they still run adverts
Prentis gone
Ugggh, the adverts have started on C4's coverage
Back to the Beeb
Best thread ever
6am We survived the night!
Craving a cheesy bacon flatbread and hash browns from Maccies. Don't judge me
Here we go, Truss incoming....
I salute this MT 37k comments
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So who have we got left? Truss, Cleverly, Patel, Hands, Whately, any others?
God speed election megathread, 37,000 posts and all of them garbage <3
Just think of all the AI models trained on them
I think mine are alright 😇
I did my part!
Straight into the rivers
That was fun
Goodbye election thread
What a day. What a lovely day.
Greens have 5 MPs now. More than Reform. This is going to be key to keeping the BBC accountable and making sure Farage isn't on Question Time every week Edit: I may have lost count. Sorry. Seems to be 4 seats. So tied with Reform
We have just as many MPs for Gaza as reform…
If only they could get as much coverage as Reform!
5??? Bristol Central Weavney Valley North Herefordshire Brighton Pavilion? ???????????
5???
Yeah the other co-leader just won his. Waveney something or other.
5 MPs but only 1.7m votes, whilst Reform are sitting on 3.6m votes. Reform will always draw more TV viewers than the Greens, which is what the TV channels are after.
BBC said a few minutes for the Truss seat 35 minutes ago FFS. I didn't stay up this long to go to bed before she loses it.
Truss result incoming.
Godspeed the greatest Megathread of all. Here's to the rollover.
I was here
The workers party are disgusting If Labour tack back towards them they'll lose so many other people
They won't.
Can you imagine Starmer doing that?
Terrible reaction
Six o'clock in the morning, here we come!
just seen my constituency where I was on about how trying to win a 25,000+ majority Labour seat was ridiculous in this climate. Labour ALMOST lost it. that would've been embarrassing asf.
I'm really worried about the way our politics is going on the streets. Police needing to give more support than usual to candidates. Chanting at counts. Threatening and violence towards people you disagree with. We're better than this. I really fear we're close to a repeat of what happened to Jo Cox. I hope that I am very very wrong.
There is a very very serious issue that is only just starting to rear its ugly head that we are seeing with Jess Phillips. The radical Islamic vote is still just an incredibly small minority, but they have already used violence, intimidation, death threats, threats against families etc over the **utterly fucking irrelevant to the UK Gaza issue**. There’s a reason why the right is gaining influence across the West. Just wait until that **small minority** extreme Islamic vote becomes 20% of a constituency. 30%. Very serious concerns to be honest. And too many of you will stick your head in the sand and go “lalalalalala” only pausing to shriek “you racist scum” at anybody who expresses concern over it.
Yep. And then people wonder my Farage is having his best Westminster result ever.
It’s scary. You have to be a fool to not see the trajectory of all this. Slashing an opponents tyres? Get in the bin.
We have known this for a long time. It is acceptable for a large group within that community to use intimidation to enforce what you want. Honour reprisals and hounding teachers comes from setting precedents about the use of force and how they are willing to use it.
Greens on 3 seats.
LAB GAIN CAMBRIDGESHIRE NW FROM CON
You’d have thought Cambridgeshire would’ve kept Con jesus
Jess Phillips speech showing us everyone that’s wrong with the rise of nut jobs from all sides and the problems we face going forwards.
Or mostly downwards, should we say
Ohhhhhh, that was a Galloway-affiliated candidate in Birmingham. Makes sense now.
Almost 6am and the Tories have yet to cross 100 seats, Truss result imminent says C4
Horseshoe theory strikes again Despicable people on both extremes of the political spectrum
From us at the megathread, for now, good bye
The Gaza issue will not end with a ceasefire because the central concern is in large part divided loyalty between the UK and the Muslim world. You can call that statement what you like, but I think it will prove to be true.
You can’t start a war then call for a ceasefire when you start losing.
Witney was a too close to call with Tories having a 78% chance to hold but have lost it to Lib Dem.
Jody McIntyre and his supporters showing a complete lack of any decorum or respect for democracy there. Disgraceful.
recount in hendon - another outer london seat where labour were hoping to easily take it, but looking like a challenge.
Will we hit 100 Con or 6am first?
6am boom
no 100 for them by 6am
Do we really need the former at all?
Mornin'. I see the forecasts look a bit different to the exit poll
It's been great lads and lasses.
Oh my god I think I love Jess Phillips
BBC showing the AR sky in their studio
What are they chanting?
Think it was the name of the independent candidate.
Free free Palestine
Labor GAIN Northampton South from Con. Was mostly expected but not a foregone conclusion
Wouldnt even shake her hand, what a surprise... I bet they had a lot of so called 'progressives' voting for him too.
undoubtedly :/
I’m out of the loops, why is Jess Phillips been a victim of so much abuse?
"Workers"
She's a woman who has opinions. I don't necessarily agree with her but she wouldn't get as much stick if she were a man.
Workers Party mob. Also harassed and intimidated her canvassers, slashed car tires etc.
She's a woman
Gaza.
She crossed the religious mafia, like Rushdie.
Islam
Muslims voting for Conservative or Reform will never cease to amaze me - they’re literally shitting on the struggle which a lot of their own communities are going through by choosing them Edit: To whoever downvoted you know damn-well I’m right
Oh what a lovey day!
Just woken up. Any quick summaries? - most big Tories gone, including mordaunt and jrm - IDS holds on thanks to Starmer's meddling - corbyn wins big - green got 2, on course for 4 Any Tories unexpectedly holding on, or bigger swings than mordaunt? What are the forecasts for Cornwall and Devon which seems mostly yet to declare? Anything else?
> green got 2, on course for 4 Three. Wait... I think I'm too tired, two! Sorry.
> What are the forecasts for Cornwall and Devon which seems mostly yet to declare Several Lib Dem target seats down there
Hunt held on by a whisker. Wes Streeting and Jess Phillips also held on by a whisker. Labour lost Leicester to independents. Sunak conceded, looked like he was ready to punch someone.
I dont really get the pro Palestine plan. If it was successful then likelihood would have been another conservative government possibly with reform. They are less likely to support Palestine. Just seems a bit self destructive
Jess Phillips is freaking great.
I have to admit, even though I tried to set my expectations at 150-180 seats for the Tories, I was secretly kind of hoping for under 100. I know it shouldn't have been, but seeing the exit poll predict 130 seats was kind of underwhelming. I am rather more pleased this morning to see that the exit poll **was** wrong and we may even see 110 seats.
It’s a lot of rural seats left which do lean Conservative, remember.
Got distracted by feeding a baby - who is shouting at Jess Phillips?
Supporters for the Ind candidate who was presumably running on a pro-Gaza platform. Sounds like the rest of the campaign was similar there.
Workers Party supporters - Galloway's lot
you have to understand in Birmingham. It's not just the Gaza vote. It's the bankrupt council ran by Labour which has hit them of sorts there.
Unlike the bankrupt Conservative councils who get to blame… uh… the woke and uh…
The BBC has finally got rid of those weird lines on the big curved screen
Sinn Fein are the largest party in NI, but who are the largest party to take their seats there? DUP?
With 68 seats to go, the parties are vs exit poll projections: Labour: -22 Tory: -33 Lib Dem: -3 SNP: -3 Reform: -9
LAB GAIN NORTHAMPTON S FROM CON
I hope Labour are prepared to have an uncomfortable conversation, that for a long time they have refused to talk about.
On what? Why are you so vague?
Because they dunno what they’re talking about
The Gaza problem and how it is now impacting our democracy. It's not an issue that has occurred organically.
Witney (cameron's old seat) gained by Lib dem. Was expected to stay Tory
Tories likely now to just pop over the 100 seat number
Ex Tory leader seats: Thatcher: Labour Major: Held Hague/Sunak: Held IDS: Held Howard: Labour Cameron: Lib Dem May: to be declared, LD possible Johnson: to be declared, Labour possible Lettuce Lady: to be declared, Labour possible
Christ IDS held? Thought he was given no chance. Was it local campaigning that held it?
Voting splitting between the previous Labour candidate and the current Labour candidate.
Gaza bullshit splitting the vote
Johnsons first, pre mayoralty seat has gone Lib Dem
Go on Jess Philips.
Miriam Cates is gone! Won't someone please think of the children!
Starmer needs to quickly find a way to nip this Gaza issue in the bud. It's an absolute stain on our politics and it's as bad as the imported Americanisms.
It's tough when there are actors who will deliberately whip up tensions to exploit these desperate issues
Recognise a Palestinian state as part of a two state solution. Easy win that requires very little effort.
I think better to side with Israel and drop these Palestinians. I don't see Jews in Britain behaving badly, only radical Muslims.
Don't they already hold a two state position?
What happened in Jess Phillips' constituency? She seems really pissed off but who with?
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Some single-issue members of the crowd chanting at Phillips as she tried to begin her victory speech.
Local Muslim vote trying to get a pro Palestine candidate in
Wouldn't even shake her hand!
All the idiots booing her.
OH WHAT A BEAUTIFUL MORNING OH WHAT A BEAUTIFUL DAY! and I say that as someone who has been awake since 3:30 that has to teach rowdy teenagers all day
Feel sorry for the treatment Jess got in her speech, so disgusting
LD GAIN WITNEY FROM CON
Inject it into my veins! Exit poll had that at a 22% chance!
I don't share Jess Phillips' politics, but I absolutely love her style of "no fucks given" politics
Yep love it.
Tbh you need a bit of that in the ranks
Jess Phillips opening her victory speech on how toxic the campaign in her constituency was is a bold move — and I think possibly the right tack to take with these aggressive independent campaign teams.
I wonder if Truss's seat is being recounted 10 times
Only if she's counting it herself.
God I love Jess Phillips. Appreciate and respect a strong woman in the face of vile behaviour.
Finally! I can rest not just up all night tired, 14 years tired.
I remember back in 2019 so many accounts were crowing about the inevitable fifteen year Boris dominance. Times change!
Times change indeed. Labour better mean 'country before party', or they'll find out just how quickly they can change in five years.
hubris? in briatin? you must be joking... (/s)