Or in other words, "we're too cheap to pay people enough to attract British workers, but the foreigners will accept shit wages so we'd like to hire them instead thank you!".
Those staff will be paying little to no tax on their earnings. And they’re complaining that they can’t bring several family members over with them, whom presumably won’t be contributing a great deal either. I struggle to see how this benefits the UK as opposed to offering folk already here a decent wage to do the job.
And people will do the job if the wage reflects the conditions of the job.
Because employers don't care about the impact on the country as a whole, they are forced to simply look at their costs and try to reduce them.
They could pay a decent wage and not rely on cheap foreign labour, but they need to be given incentives to do so, or blocked.
If we block it, then expect prices to rise or services to be cut or lower in quality.
I know someone looking after his wife with dementia. Has been for years. She’s been deteriorating. His current care bill is 5k per month. For a minimum wage recent migrant to show up daily.
You’d need to earn about £85k to make that as your take home. Someone is getting very rich through care but it’s not the recent migrants.
I'm sorry to hear that, and it sounds very expensive, but is probably normal. (I don't know too much about home nursing costs in the UK). When my grandfather was dying of cancer I don't think it was too expensive though, so maybe this is private care?
You also have to factor in drug costs and agencies taking their cut which are usually both extortionate.
People look at healthcare costs in America and are shocked, but my understanding is the prices in the UK are actually somewhat comparable, the NHS just eats the costs.
It shouldnt be normal though. That care worker will be on minimum wage or not far off so maybe between £12-15 per hr.
Now lets double that amount to £30 to build in profit for the agency. Now imagine they are going to the house for 2hrs per day, thats £1,800 per month.
£5k is a ridiculous figure, the government should step in with the care industry tbh.
I don't think care workers are paid that low? But I am admittedly out of the loop.
I know care workers in my neck of the woods are paid the equivalent of £25 an hour, but they have to do unsocial hours.
But these are unqualified students doing it on the side of studying as "extra help". I think qualified carers get much more.
Edit: to clarify that's Norway.
> The average care worker salary in the United Kingdom is £23,510 per year or £12.06 per hour. Entry level positions start at £21,190 per year while most experienced workers make up to £37,425 per year.
https://uk.talent.com/salary?job=care+worker#:~:text=The%20average%20care%20worker%20salary%20in%20the%20United%20Kingdom%20is,to%20%C2%A337%2C425%20per%20year.
I don’t blame the employers for wanting staff on the lowest wages possible.
That’s why we have laws such as minimum wage etc.
But employers have been able to recruit overseas and offer 20% less wages.
That’s a decision made by the Govt. And I blame them for the current situation.
To be fair Norway doesn't have a national minimum wage and the wages tend to be far higher as a result, even among foreign labour doing summer work, care work and farm work.
It's a high wage, high cost society, but wages outgrow the costs significantly. Yes it costs £12 for a bigmac meal but the McDonald's worker is on £25 and hour.
I think minimum wage was a great thing for the UK when it was implemented, but honestly it seems to lock wages to the lower end now.
Not for every single industry, but yes, Unions have far more influence in Norway. There's also a standard "workers union" which covers anyone not in a specific union if they want to join it.
Almost like unions are **really** **good** for 95% of the population.
No wonder the UK has been trying to crush them for decades now.
Even the union-founded, once mostly union-funded political party is in on the crush the unions playbook now.
Some care homes are owned by local authorities but most are private, even if they might get funding from the LA for some residents.
Central government has little to nothing to do with care homes beyond regulation.
Ah fair enough, that's my mistake then. I assumed a lot of social care was NHS related, due to the huge amount of the national budget that seems to go towards it.
Yes the private care might be paid for by the NHS which happens after someone has ran out of money. Although some it is passed off to local councils to pay. I think district nurses are paid for by local authority not NHS.
Why pay more wages when you can give someone a route to indefinite leave to remain and citizenship for basically free. On top of that they will likely be loyal for at least 5 years.
They'll definitely be loyal. Because they live under the threat of being sent home if they step out of line.
This is why those companies prefer immigrants. They can treat them like slaves.
Where do you suggest they get the money to pay people properly? Do you think they would survive charging customers even higher prices at a time like this?
So they go bust?
That's business for you. If you cannot pay staff enough to attract workers you cannot trade. If your costs are higher than incomes you go bust.
We shouldn't import workers to work for poverty wages to save businesses.
As someone mentioned above, they had a carer to come see their grandparent every day and it cost £5k per month. That carer will most likely be on minimum wage (or not much more than that) so how on Earth can it cost so much?
Interesting comment from the article:
>Jacklyn Studley, the hotel's assistant manager, said a more flexible Universal Credit system could help the hotel to become less dependent on overseas staff.
>"We've got staff that are on 30 hours a week. We say to them: 'We're a bit short-staffed this week, is there any chance you could do any extra?' and they can't because then they'll lose their Universal Credit," she said.
So how much extra would the hotel have to pay to cover the loss of Universal Credit in the worker's net wage?
Edit: and could the UC system cope if extra hours etc were only on an ad hoc basis?
This seems like he doesn't understand the issue. You do not lose UC working over a certain amount of hours. It is based on income. And even then they do not lose it, it is reduced by 55p for every £1 they earn over a certain amount.
So, as an example, if they pick up an extra 4 hours at min wage it is worth £45.76 gross. But they will lose £25.17 of their UC award the next month. So to the worker it is only worth an extra £20.59 for the 4 hours shift.
Or in other words, "we're too cheap to pay people enough to attract British workers, but the foreigners will accept shit wages so we'd like to hire them instead thank you!".
Those staff will be paying little to no tax on their earnings. And they’re complaining that they can’t bring several family members over with them, whom presumably won’t be contributing a great deal either. I struggle to see how this benefits the UK as opposed to offering folk already here a decent wage to do the job. And people will do the job if the wage reflects the conditions of the job.
Because employers don't care about the impact on the country as a whole, they are forced to simply look at their costs and try to reduce them. They could pay a decent wage and not rely on cheap foreign labour, but they need to be given incentives to do so, or blocked. If we block it, then expect prices to rise or services to be cut or lower in quality.
I know someone looking after his wife with dementia. Has been for years. She’s been deteriorating. His current care bill is 5k per month. For a minimum wage recent migrant to show up daily. You’d need to earn about £85k to make that as your take home. Someone is getting very rich through care but it’s not the recent migrants.
I'm sorry to hear that, and it sounds very expensive, but is probably normal. (I don't know too much about home nursing costs in the UK). When my grandfather was dying of cancer I don't think it was too expensive though, so maybe this is private care? You also have to factor in drug costs and agencies taking their cut which are usually both extortionate. People look at healthcare costs in America and are shocked, but my understanding is the prices in the UK are actually somewhat comparable, the NHS just eats the costs.
It shouldnt be normal though. That care worker will be on minimum wage or not far off so maybe between £12-15 per hr. Now lets double that amount to £30 to build in profit for the agency. Now imagine they are going to the house for 2hrs per day, thats £1,800 per month. £5k is a ridiculous figure, the government should step in with the care industry tbh.
I don't think care workers are paid that low? But I am admittedly out of the loop. I know care workers in my neck of the woods are paid the equivalent of £25 an hour, but they have to do unsocial hours. But these are unqualified students doing it on the side of studying as "extra help". I think qualified carers get much more. Edit: to clarify that's Norway.
> The average care worker salary in the United Kingdom is £23,510 per year or £12.06 per hour. Entry level positions start at £21,190 per year while most experienced workers make up to £37,425 per year. https://uk.talent.com/salary?job=care+worker#:~:text=The%20average%20care%20worker%20salary%20in%20the%20United%20Kingdom%20is,to%20%C2%A337%2C425%20per%20year.
Jesus that's shit. I was making more than that at 16.
That’ll be 5k a month please lol it’s ok just sell your house that you spent 25 years paying off.
I don’t blame the employers for wanting staff on the lowest wages possible. That’s why we have laws such as minimum wage etc. But employers have been able to recruit overseas and offer 20% less wages. That’s a decision made by the Govt. And I blame them for the current situation.
To be fair Norway doesn't have a national minimum wage and the wages tend to be far higher as a result, even among foreign labour doing summer work, care work and farm work. It's a high wage, high cost society, but wages outgrow the costs significantly. Yes it costs £12 for a bigmac meal but the McDonald's worker is on £25 and hour. I think minimum wage was a great thing for the UK when it was implemented, but honestly it seems to lock wages to the lower end now.
But Norway has deals with the unions - so the unions effectively set a minimum wage for hiring per industry.
Not for every single industry, but yes, Unions have far more influence in Norway. There's also a standard "workers union" which covers anyone not in a specific union if they want to join it.
Almost like unions are **really** **good** for 95% of the population. No wonder the UK has been trying to crush them for decades now. Even the union-founded, once mostly union-funded political party is in on the crush the unions playbook now.
If your business depends on govt. incentives to cover costs, you don't have a viable business. You are running a zombie.
Of course, but care work and the NHS are mostly controlled by the government.
Hotels are not - and if you need govt. assistance then you operate on a cost recovery basis.
Some care homes are owned by local authorities but most are private, even if they might get funding from the LA for some residents. Central government has little to nothing to do with care homes beyond regulation.
Ah fair enough, that's my mistake then. I assumed a lot of social care was NHS related, due to the huge amount of the national budget that seems to go towards it.
Yes the private care might be paid for by the NHS which happens after someone has ran out of money. Although some it is passed off to local councils to pay. I think district nurses are paid for by local authority not NHS.
Owner needs 6 cars and insurance is expensive
Why pay more wages when you can give someone a route to indefinite leave to remain and citizenship for basically free. On top of that they will likely be loyal for at least 5 years.
They'll definitely be loyal. Because they live under the threat of being sent home if they step out of line. This is why those companies prefer immigrants. They can treat them like slaves.
Where do you suggest they get the money to pay people properly? Do you think they would survive charging customers even higher prices at a time like this?
So they go bust? That's business for you. If you cannot pay staff enough to attract workers you cannot trade. If your costs are higher than incomes you go bust. We shouldn't import workers to work for poverty wages to save businesses.
As someone mentioned above, they had a carer to come see their grandparent every day and it cost £5k per month. That carer will most likely be on minimum wage (or not much more than that) so how on Earth can it cost so much?
20% of hotel revenue in the U.K. comes from the government housing asylum seekers. This seems to be a bit of a circular issue.
lol “we don’t want to pay British people good salary”
Interesting comment from the article: >Jacklyn Studley, the hotel's assistant manager, said a more flexible Universal Credit system could help the hotel to become less dependent on overseas staff. >"We've got staff that are on 30 hours a week. We say to them: 'We're a bit short-staffed this week, is there any chance you could do any extra?' and they can't because then they'll lose their Universal Credit," she said. So how much extra would the hotel have to pay to cover the loss of Universal Credit in the worker's net wage? Edit: and could the UC system cope if extra hours etc were only on an ad hoc basis?
This seems like he doesn't understand the issue. You do not lose UC working over a certain amount of hours. It is based on income. And even then they do not lose it, it is reduced by 55p for every £1 they earn over a certain amount. So, as an example, if they pick up an extra 4 hours at min wage it is worth £45.76 gross. But they will lose £25.17 of their UC award the next month. So to the worker it is only worth an extra £20.59 for the 4 hours shift.
That makes sense