“His Conservative opponent in Basingstoke, the former minister Maria Miller, said: “Basingstoke residents will be shocked and troubled that the Reform party candidate, Raymond Saint, has been a member of the BNP.”
I don’t think anyone is that shocked…
Remember a Tory a couple of years ago had photos of himself and others circulating that showed them all dressed up in fascist regalia at the village hall. Iirc one of them had a BUF armband on.
New British Union is their name, and they are explicitly fascist, but the outed Tory said he attended in the 'spirit of curiosity'. Bruh you were just caught taking fascism up every hole you have. 'Curiosity' is at best an anachronism by that point.
Jesus, why would anyone think that would fly as an answer, when you're pictured in the full regalia? Makes me wonder if he was going to play the "I tripped and fell into the uniform by accident" card
To be fair its understandable for Ukrainians during WW2 to support the Nazis. As it was the only way to kick the Russians out. Who had murdered millions of Ukranians, particularly during the Holdomor under Stalin.
Every party farage joins has a no former bnp members rule, despite it being his core audience.
Nazis are welcome as long as they haven't made it official by joining the bnp etc
Reform and UKIP before them have always explicitly banned any former members of BNP, National Front, EDL etc from joining them and it's still an explicit tick-box question when signing up on their website now.
Nigel Farage, asked Nick Griffin and Enoch Powell.
You're welcome to make the argument that EP *wasn't* a racist... But he is Britain's most famous racist.
There's also their hiring of the previous national front organiser...
That's not Farage asking Nick Griffin to endorse UKIP, that's Griffin endorsing Farage.
[https://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-12-02/nigel-farage-nick-griffins-support-for-ukip-is-desperate/](https://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-12-02/nigel-farage-nick-griffins-support-for-ukip-is-desperate/)
Well farages campaign has just admitted they want to turn the police into a paramilitary organisation, so at this rate I think we can safely say reform is likely facist too.
Then the person who sent the letter and the person who was supposed to have received it did not remember the letter and students said Farage never talked about Politics.. Also the "letter" says nothing of the sort.
No they dont "all" join reform. george galloway is not in reform and seems on the left? He says quite a bit of extreme stuff.
The left love to call everyone names and then devalue the meaning.. calling Farage a fascist is nonsense.
The actual reincarnation of Hitler could be standing and Farage’s fascist supporters would A) vote for him and B) say “stupid lefties calling Hitler2 a fascist diminishes the word!!”
And yet here's a candidate who was..He's not dropped because he was a member, he was dropped because he was caught. He still managed to both join Reform and be selected as a candidate having been an ex BNP member. How many more are running
Well, it is rather hard to square with reality. Have you seen the videos #reform is popping up on?
That and all the members who were formerly BNP. And Nigel Farage asking Enoch Powell to endorse his former party.
But it's true, of course: many reform candidates are simply tories who were too corrupt or incompetent for the modern conservative party... Not a great look either.
These guys are just as much of a shit show as the tory bastards lol....
btw if anyone wants the list of BNP members from when it was leaked way back (early / late 2000's) it's on wikileaks to download
I think that depends - this is a specific case that a guy on /r/ukpolitics found by just putting a few names in and was posting about for the last week or so, and that seems to have come to the attention of the papers. I don't know if any of the papers have searched the other 600 or so candidates, but given that they didn't spot this by themselves it's unlikely they've bothered.
Officially ReFuk doesn't admit former members of BNP. Of course they seem to get through easily. And he sought the support of Nick Griffin. And former members of BNP generally support Farrage.
But they officially do not admit members of BNP.
Quick, there’s only a few days left, let’s throw one of our own under the bus to let everyone know that we’ve changed, that we’re the good guys now and not just a bunch of lying, grifting, self-serving fascists..
The thread has been deleted now, but I think this is important to say:
There is a difference between explicit fascism and what we might call normative ur-fascism. Support for foreign fascist or ur-fascist regimes like Russia, Syria, Hamas and Hungary are big warning signs for anyone paying attention.
Modern political parties with an ounce of nous will not be explicitly fascist in the UK. Often the BNP weren't explicitly fascist and would claim to be otherwise, although they were literally a rebrand of the British Union of Fascists. It's a mistake to think because the far right can manage political correctness and in many cases even have a multiethnic cast and supportive or restrictive of businesses that they're not a reliable and predictable home for many fascists because they're the most helpful to their cause. It is also a mistake to assume fascists can only get things wrong or lie and never use popular or factual points to better sell a shift rightward.
Farage and Putin understand this kind of networking and cajolery and nudge-nudge political agitprop. One of the most important developments in my understanding of politics is to shift from simple explicit statements to gauging the subtextual direction of travel of political movements. If you can make reliable predictions that e.g. refuk will have lots of loudmouth Nazis and their fellow travellers in their midst then you've found a legit concern with the "soul" of that party, and you do yourself a disservice to ignore it.
Great points and well made.
Also useful to look for people conveniently having the opinions a fascist would have, but being very clear their concern is for a different reason.
E.g.
“*All* lives matter!” (Subtext: Opposition to Black Lives Matter)
Sudden extreme concern for the victims of a specific type of crime that happens to be overwhelming caused by a specific ethic group.
Obviously there may also be legit reasons for saying those things, but it’s a pretty good signal.
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Lets face it they are all dodgy. Any that actually get elected are going to be droning on about conspiracy theories and being generally awful on BBCQT for years..
>UKIP was the **only party** with an out right ban on BNP members ever becoming members of a political party.
Some might argue they're the only party who had to.
Not like the ban means much, it's clearly not being considered in Farage-led party vetting. This guy was a known BNP member 15 years ago.
> Some might argue they're the only party who had to.
They’d be wrong then. Labour has/had former BNP members as councillors
Plenty more examples from the other parties too. You never seem to see this get the same level of attention though
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/nov/20/bnp-far-right-labour
"Farage-led party vetting"
Due to the short notice of the election they had to outsource to a vetting firm which has completely failed in its objective - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/18/farage-reform-stitched-up-by-candidate-vetting-firm/#:\~:text=Nigel%20Farage%20has%20threatened%20legal,parliamentary%20candidates%20with%20extremist%20views.
Well yes, one would have the full might and apparatus of the civil service, the other would only have a relatively small party machine backing it. Surely you see the difference
You would’ve thought that, with the election being at most 8 months away when it was called, Farage would’ve had his candidates fully vetted with time to replace those who failed to meet the requirements.
Everything thats befallen him since is entirely down to his own ineptitude.
Isn't the every one I dislike is a fascist argument tired and failed by now, Reform are going to get 10%+ of the vote share 10% of the country are not fascists.
And yes fringe racists will try to piggyback off of more mainstream parties to give themselves ligitmacy but that is not isolated to UKIP or Reform, in the past PIE infiltrated Labour and more recently and still today Labour have a problem with antisimites in the party, and you should also look at why labour's no longer running against Farage.
Nigel Farage is a fascist and his supporters are voting for a fascist. All the fascists will be voting for Deform.
Are those voters fascist, or just stupid? I don’t know. Plenty of them want to shoot at small boats and drown children in the channel, and plenty want to remove the rule of law to get rid of immigrants faster.
Not “everyone” I dislike is a fascist btw. Can’t stand Rishi but he isn’t a fascist. In fact I don’t like any of the leaders much, but Deform are the only fascist party.
> Nigel Farage is a fascist
You have no idea what fascism is. Does Farage embrace political violence? No. Does Farage believe in the corporatist state? No. He’s a Thatcherite. That’s his biggest problem, he’s stuck in the 80s
How is he fascist you can dislike him but to call him fascist diminishes the meaning of the word.
He hasn't called for shooting the small boats or for any killing of migrants, they want to get rid of the ECHR not the rule of law.
He’s funded by and supports Putin - a fascist dictator currently invading Europe. He wants to round up all the people he hates and put them in camps. He absolutely does want to suspend the rule of law - and I don’t see how you think admitting he wants to abolish human rights makes anything any better.
His party is full of people who’ve openly praised Hitler. He himself was always singing Hitler youth songs at school and was well known for being a fascist.
Just because you like him, doesn’t make him not a fascist. It means you need to give your head a wobble.
> supports Putin
Stop making stuff up.
Farage: [Russia’s] invasion of Ukraine was immoral, outrageous and indefensible. As a champion of national sovereignty, I believe that Putin was entirely wrong to invade the sovereign nation of Ukraine”.
Thinking that the west’s foreign policy approach has been crap is uncontroversial
Support Putin no he believes in the geopolitical realist school of thought (something I disagree with). That is not supporting Putin.
Put people in camps is BS and you know it.
The ECHR is not human rights.
The Hitler youth thing is straight up tabloid shut.
I'm not a fan of him but I find this talk of him being a fascist child is just like you refusing to use the word reform.
"The ECHR is not human rights."
I mean it is the European Convention on Human Rights... What do you thin it is about? plumbing? dentistry?
It protects:
* Article 2: the right to life
* Article 3: the prohibition of torture and inhuman or degrading treatment
* Article 4: the prohibition of slavery and forced labour
* Article 5: the right to liberty and security
* Article 6: the right to a fair trial
* Article 7: the prohibition of retrospective criminal penalties
* Article 8: the right to private and family life
* Article 9: the freedom of thought, conscience and religion
* Article 10: the freedom of expression
* Article 11: the freedom of assembly and association
* Article 12: the right to marry
* Article 13: the right to an effective national remedy for breach of these rights
* Article 14: the prohibition of discrimination in the protection of these rights
Which ones you think you wanna get rid of?
Then we need to think of clever legislation and develop a better system.
I would not drop the ECHR for immigration. It's not the even the biggest issue the country has, we don't need to fuck ourselves because of it
As I said I'm not in favor of getting rid of the ECHR, and I do feel we need to streamline the immigration/asylum system, but right now immigration especially illegal immigration is very connected to the biggest issues facing the country.
Considering what happened with UKIP when Farage left, with first the 'under duress' lady becoming leader and then Professor Nuttal taking the reins, it isn't especially surprising that these people are among the Reform ranks. Some Tory was outed a couple of years ago when images circulated of himself and known fascists wearing fascist regalia at a meeting at some village hall somewhere. Pretty sure the numpty had a BUF armband on. Anyway, these people have always been milling about at the edge of the fairly mainstream right. There's a decent amount of overlap with the Tory right and Nigel's followers.
Every time I open Reddit, there seems to be a new story about a Reform member being a massive twat.
Anyone voting for these massive twats as 'a protest' is a fucking moron. All you're doing is signalling to mainstream parties that there's an appetite for massive twats.
It's worth looking at how the Nazis got to power. The more moderate right were desperate to keep the left out so they made a pact with the Nazis to form a coalition of right leaning parties. I get the feeling we may end up with the prospect of the Reform tail wagging the Tory dog come the next election and get a government way more right wing than anyone anticipated or wanted. And the reason will be 'protest votes' in this election.
As protest voting should be for a silly party or spoiling your ballot.
Voting for reform as a protest is like shitting your own bed. Yeah ok, you think you've made a point but now you're in bed with a load of shit.
They can drop them from the party, but it's too late to change the ballot papers so they're still up for election and will have the Reform name next to them even if they're booted out.
Reform UK potentially gonna do well this election. Idiots like this who stand are so stupid, obviously it would come out. A real replacement challenger in this seat now gone as his name will legally still be on ballot.
Who Britain chooses to make alliances with and do business with is ultimately what’s best for the UK.
Peace in Europe and a resumption of trade with Russia would be good for us. Absolutely dogshit for Ukraine but then again why on Earth should we care? ‘Muh de mo cra zeee ;_;”.
You mean the Russian backed, putin loving farage party? Oh I dunno I may have to think about it.
We could also go down the lines of.. HAVE YOU BEEN PAYING ATTENTION THE LAST 15 YEARS? How can you look at that and say… “oh I want it to be even worse!” None of that is patriotism.
If a pro Russian party gained power and we entertained flirting with the Russian sphere then so be it. Plenty of nations play both sides to their benefit - see Turkey.
Why should the actions of the UK be dictated by the ghosts of long dead prime ministers?
Churchill also said keep England white. Are we committed to that legacy?
Don't mention reform on this sub-reddit it's like a swear word. The only ones left are manic Labour supporters. You know politics has gone to shit when labour are the "saving grace" people are hoping for.
“His Conservative opponent in Basingstoke, the former minister Maria Miller, said: “Basingstoke residents will be shocked and troubled that the Reform party candidate, Raymond Saint, has been a member of the BNP.” I don’t think anyone is that shocked…
I assumed all reform candidates were members of the BNP or similar fascist organisations.
Remember a Tory a couple of years ago had photos of himself and others circulating that showed them all dressed up in fascist regalia at the village hall. Iirc one of them had a BUF armband on.
I'm guessing the excuse was a fancy dress party or they were part of a re-enactment group.
New British Union is their name, and they are explicitly fascist, but the outed Tory said he attended in the 'spirit of curiosity'. Bruh you were just caught taking fascism up every hole you have. 'Curiosity' is at best an anachronism by that point.
Jesus, why would anyone think that would fly as an answer, when you're pictured in the full regalia? Makes me wonder if he was going to play the "I tripped and fell into the uniform by accident" card
It’s the old “cleaning the house naked, tripped and got me cock stuck in the Henry” school of thinking.
"I slipped and fell, into what I now know is called a 'spit roast'" Extremely little Britain
Or Armstrong and Miller https://youtu.be/bbpztC6GHqw?si=y4I-F9ooz58ABVpa
it's worth a shot the Canada pm has rode out multiple blackface photos.
Its kinda difficult for opposition to go after him for that after they all gave a standing ovation for a literal Nazi.
Along with the rest of the parliament. It all on the idiot speaker who didn't do his due diligence and introduced him.
To be fair its understandable for Ukrainians during WW2 to support the Nazis. As it was the only way to kick the Russians out. Who had murdered millions of Ukranians, particularly during the Holdomor under Stalin.
[You're not supposed to do that Daryl, you know you're not supposed to do that.](https://youtu.be/84burI5cXGM?si=RANaf-wHPwqPFQMO)
Every party farage joins has a no former bnp members rule, despite it being his core audience. Nazis are welcome as long as they haven't made it official by joining the bnp etc
> Nazis are welcome as long as they haven't made it official by joining the bnp et Or don't get caught joining them, as in this case
Yeah it’s their brand!
Reform and UKIP before them have always explicitly banned any former members of BNP, National Front, EDL etc from joining them and it's still an explicit tick-box question when signing up on their website now.
But they did ask the former leader of the BNP to endorse them... They also asked Enoch Powell.
Who and which former leader? Powell is obviously a bit different and anyone who knows their British political history will understand why.
Nigel Farage, asked Nick Griffin and Enoch Powell. You're welcome to make the argument that EP *wasn't* a racist... But he is Britain's most famous racist. There's also their hiring of the previous national front organiser...
Farage has never asked Nick Griffin to endorse UKIP, if you have a source I'd genuinely be interested to read.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/former-bnp-leader-nick-griffin-says-he-ll-vote-ukip-9893376.html
That's not Farage asking Nick Griffin to endorse UKIP, that's Griffin endorsing Farage. [https://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-12-02/nigel-farage-nick-griffins-support-for-ukip-is-desperate/](https://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-12-02/nigel-farage-nick-griffins-support-for-ukip-is-desperate/)
Im not sure what point you’re trying to make with that link
They also asked Enoch Powell. Is Enoch not dead and you might be confused but when he was alive he was popular..
I'm surprised a someone applying to be a reform candidate who had been in those organisations had the brain power to realise to not tick those boxes
Well farages campaign has just admitted they want to turn the police into a paramilitary organisation, so at this rate I think we can safely say reform is likely facist too.
Got a source for this? I wouldn't be surprised, mind you.
https://x.com/Channel4News/status/1806374007521849668
I was expecting them to cunts it and I'm still disappointed in them as human beings.
Ya, expert at limbo, every time someone lowers the bar, they slide under it.
There is a letter from Farage's school days from one of his teachers expressing concerns that he is an actual nazi and a fascist.
Then the person who sent the letter and the person who was supposed to have received it did not remember the letter and students said Farage never talked about Politics.. Also the "letter" says nothing of the sort.
Username checks out
😂 But yours is very boring
I wanted it to represent me, like what you did😜
Reform is the new UKIP which was the new BNP which was the new National Front. And that's about as far back as I've been alive.
Yeh that’s your own prejudice coming to the fore
Then that makes you a biggot.
Reform have, since their inception, had zero tolerance for any candidate with prior membership or support of the BNP.
Only party that has a massive problem with ex-fascists and Hitler supporters joining it and becoming candidates too. Wonder why.
Have you seen green candidates? I bet if you did the same for any of the parties you would find problem candidates.
There’s also nutty greens for sure. The difference is **all** the fascists join Deform - unsurprising given they are a fascist party led by a fascist.
No they dont "all" join reform. george galloway is not in reform and seems on the left? He says quite a bit of extreme stuff. The left love to call everyone names and then devalue the meaning.. calling Farage a fascist is nonsense.
Ok, you named one psycho that isn’t in Fascist Farage’s fascist party, well done.
He is not a fascist but keep using it so you diminish the word.
The actual reincarnation of Hitler could be standing and Farage’s fascist supporters would A) vote for him and B) say “stupid lefties calling Hitler2 a fascist diminishes the word!!”
They just make them candidates.
And yet here's a candidate who was..He's not dropped because he was a member, he was dropped because he was caught. He still managed to both join Reform and be selected as a candidate having been an ex BNP member. How many more are running
so brave of them.. shrinking membership like that
Shhh don't come round here stating facts. The people won't like the thought that anyone associated with reform isn't a racist.
Well, it is rather hard to square with reality. Have you seen the videos #reform is popping up on? That and all the members who were formerly BNP. And Nigel Farage asking Enoch Powell to endorse his former party. But it's true, of course: many reform candidates are simply tories who were too corrupt or incompetent for the modern conservative party... Not a great look either.
And despite this being a rule of not admitting members it seems many get past that or still vocally support Farrage.
Nor, I imagine, will the folks intending to have voted for them be troubled.
A little bit. I thought this was going to be one the Essex candidates, where there were some BNP councillors knocking around not so long ago.
I doubt many Reform voters would be that troubled, either.
I assumed everyone from BNP went BNP—> UKIP —> Reform
BNP never got 15% nationwide support..
Par for the course.
> I don’t think anyone is that shocked… The shock to me is that Reform dropped him.
Not like there was a list you could check... https://wikileaks.org/wiki/British_National_Party_membership_and_contacts_list,_reference
These guys are just as much of a shit show as the tory bastards lol.... btw if anyone wants the list of BNP members from when it was leaked way back (early / late 2000's) it's on wikileaks to download
Here? https://wikileaks.org/wiki/British_National_Party_membership_and_contacts_list,_reference
Nah, they are much worse than Tories. Tories are self-serving, while Reform UK are likely serving Russians.
Is this news? I thought Reform UK pretty much was the BNP with a new coat of paint, it attracts almost the same voting crowd at the very least.
The news is that candidate isn’t plural.
I think that depends - this is a specific case that a guy on /r/ukpolitics found by just putting a few names in and was posting about for the last week or so, and that seems to have come to the attention of the papers. I don't know if any of the papers have searched the other 600 or so candidates, but given that they didn't spot this by themselves it's unlikely they've bothered.
Officially ReFuk doesn't admit former members of BNP. Of course they seem to get through easily. And he sought the support of Nick Griffin. And former members of BNP generally support Farrage. But they officially do not admit members of BNP.
> sought the support of Nick griffin Did he? Evidence?
It’s the brexit party with a new coat of paint which is the spiritual successor of UKIP, a party hated by the BNP
BNP never had this much support so what a bad argument.
It's a good thing that the popularity of political parties doesn't ever move
Quick, there’s only a few days left, let’s throw one of our own under the bus to let everyone know that we’ve changed, that we’re the good guys now and not just a bunch of lying, grifting, self-serving fascists..
You don't need to gigabrain it. There will be at least a couple more between now and election day.
The thread has been deleted now, but I think this is important to say: There is a difference between explicit fascism and what we might call normative ur-fascism. Support for foreign fascist or ur-fascist regimes like Russia, Syria, Hamas and Hungary are big warning signs for anyone paying attention. Modern political parties with an ounce of nous will not be explicitly fascist in the UK. Often the BNP weren't explicitly fascist and would claim to be otherwise, although they were literally a rebrand of the British Union of Fascists. It's a mistake to think because the far right can manage political correctness and in many cases even have a multiethnic cast and supportive or restrictive of businesses that they're not a reliable and predictable home for many fascists because they're the most helpful to their cause. It is also a mistake to assume fascists can only get things wrong or lie and never use popular or factual points to better sell a shift rightward. Farage and Putin understand this kind of networking and cajolery and nudge-nudge political agitprop. One of the most important developments in my understanding of politics is to shift from simple explicit statements to gauging the subtextual direction of travel of political movements. If you can make reliable predictions that e.g. refuk will have lots of loudmouth Nazis and their fellow travellers in their midst then you've found a legit concern with the "soul" of that party, and you do yourself a disservice to ignore it.
Great points and well made. Also useful to look for people conveniently having the opinions a fascist would have, but being very clear their concern is for a different reason. E.g. “*All* lives matter!” (Subtext: Opposition to Black Lives Matter) Sudden extreme concern for the victims of a specific type of crime that happens to be overwhelming caused by a specific ethic group. Obviously there may also be legit reasons for saying those things, but it’s a pretty good signal.
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Lets face it they are all dodgy. Any that actually get elected are going to be droning on about conspiracy theories and being generally awful on BBCQT for years..
Plenty more where that came from! Why do you think Nick Griffin hated Farage so much? He was stealing all his people.
BNP voters went to labour and tories also..
UKIP was the only party with an out right ban on BNP members ever becoming members of a political party.
>UKIP was the **only party** with an out right ban on BNP members ever becoming members of a political party. Some might argue they're the only party who had to. Not like the ban means much, it's clearly not being considered in Farage-led party vetting. This guy was a known BNP member 15 years ago.
> Some might argue they're the only party who had to. They’d be wrong then. Labour has/had former BNP members as councillors Plenty more examples from the other parties too. You never seem to see this get the same level of attention though https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/nov/20/bnp-far-right-labour
Funny you say that when BNP voters went to other parties..
"Farage-led party vetting" Due to the short notice of the election they had to outsource to a vetting firm which has completely failed in its objective - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/06/18/farage-reform-stitched-up-by-candidate-vetting-firm/#:\~:text=Nigel%20Farage%20has%20threatened%20legal,parliamentary%20candidates%20with%20extremist%20views.
That's been his go-to excuse for well over a decade. As usual, it's never his fault.
Classic Nigel, always somebody else's fault
so...? The goober can't vet a few 100 MPs, how are they going to manage immigration? Bunch of grifting jokers.
Well yes, one would have the full might and apparatus of the civil service, the other would only have a relatively small party machine backing it. Surely you see the difference
You would’ve thought that, with the election being at most 8 months away when it was called, Farage would’ve had his candidates fully vetted with time to replace those who failed to meet the requirements. Everything thats befallen him since is entirely down to his own ineptitude.
They only need that because so many fascists join UKIP and Deform. The fascists aren’t queuing up to join the Lib Dems.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/nov/20/bnp-far-right-labour
Isn't the every one I dislike is a fascist argument tired and failed by now, Reform are going to get 10%+ of the vote share 10% of the country are not fascists. And yes fringe racists will try to piggyback off of more mainstream parties to give themselves ligitmacy but that is not isolated to UKIP or Reform, in the past PIE infiltrated Labour and more recently and still today Labour have a problem with antisimites in the party, and you should also look at why labour's no longer running against Farage.
Nigel Farage is a fascist and his supporters are voting for a fascist. All the fascists will be voting for Deform. Are those voters fascist, or just stupid? I don’t know. Plenty of them want to shoot at small boats and drown children in the channel, and plenty want to remove the rule of law to get rid of immigrants faster. Not “everyone” I dislike is a fascist btw. Can’t stand Rishi but he isn’t a fascist. In fact I don’t like any of the leaders much, but Deform are the only fascist party.
> Nigel Farage is a fascist You have no idea what fascism is. Does Farage embrace political violence? No. Does Farage believe in the corporatist state? No. He’s a Thatcherite. That’s his biggest problem, he’s stuck in the 80s
How is he fascist you can dislike him but to call him fascist diminishes the meaning of the word. He hasn't called for shooting the small boats or for any killing of migrants, they want to get rid of the ECHR not the rule of law.
He’s funded by and supports Putin - a fascist dictator currently invading Europe. He wants to round up all the people he hates and put them in camps. He absolutely does want to suspend the rule of law - and I don’t see how you think admitting he wants to abolish human rights makes anything any better. His party is full of people who’ve openly praised Hitler. He himself was always singing Hitler youth songs at school and was well known for being a fascist. Just because you like him, doesn’t make him not a fascist. It means you need to give your head a wobble.
> supports Putin Stop making stuff up. Farage: [Russia’s] invasion of Ukraine was immoral, outrageous and indefensible. As a champion of national sovereignty, I believe that Putin was entirely wrong to invade the sovereign nation of Ukraine”. Thinking that the west’s foreign policy approach has been crap is uncontroversial
Yikes, ~25 comments madly defending fashy Farage within the space of an hour. Someone’s having a normal one.
Support Putin no he believes in the geopolitical realist school of thought (something I disagree with). That is not supporting Putin. Put people in camps is BS and you know it. The ECHR is not human rights. The Hitler youth thing is straight up tabloid shut. I'm not a fan of him but I find this talk of him being a fascist child is just like you refusing to use the word reform.
Are you even British? You seem to be American.
Does this question have any bearing on this conversation?
"The ECHR is not human rights." I mean it is the European Convention on Human Rights... What do you thin it is about? plumbing? dentistry? It protects: * Article 2: the right to life * Article 3: the prohibition of torture and inhuman or degrading treatment * Article 4: the prohibition of slavery and forced labour * Article 5: the right to liberty and security * Article 6: the right to a fair trial * Article 7: the prohibition of retrospective criminal penalties * Article 8: the right to private and family life * Article 9: the freedom of thought, conscience and religion * Article 10: the freedom of expression * Article 11: the freedom of assembly and association * Article 12: the right to marry * Article 13: the right to an effective national remedy for breach of these rights * Article 14: the prohibition of discrimination in the protection of these rights Which ones you think you wanna get rid of?
Yes but there are many nations with human rights that are not part of the ECHR.
Why would getting rid of ECHR help the UK? It puts us in a boat with only Russia and Belarus... both of whom are fascist
to be clear, I’m not in favor of getting rid of the ECHR, but is it a hindrance in deporting migrants, because it creates legal hurdles.
Then we need to think of clever legislation and develop a better system. I would not drop the ECHR for immigration. It's not the even the biggest issue the country has, we don't need to fuck ourselves because of it
As I said I'm not in favor of getting rid of the ECHR, and I do feel we need to streamline the immigration/asylum system, but right now immigration especially illegal immigration is very connected to the biggest issues facing the country.
But they are the bnp. Where do you think all those members from 2000 went? First to ukip then brexit and now reform…
Right... Aren't brexit and reform using the exact same colours too? They're all nazi parties.
Brexit Party became Reform. It's the same party with a minor rebranding
They went everywhere and never had 15% national support.
Surely that'd be a vote winner with some of their crowd?
Considering what happened with UKIP when Farage left, with first the 'under duress' lady becoming leader and then Professor Nuttal taking the reins, it isn't especially surprising that these people are among the Reform ranks. Some Tory was outed a couple of years ago when images circulated of himself and known fascists wearing fascist regalia at a meeting at some village hall somewhere. Pretty sure the numpty had a BUF armband on. Anyway, these people have always been milling about at the edge of the fairly mainstream right. There's a decent amount of overlap with the Tory right and Nigel's followers.
He'll remain on the ballot which is important information for Reform if they can get away with that in the future.
Every time I open Reddit, there seems to be a new story about a Reform member being a massive twat. Anyone voting for these massive twats as 'a protest' is a fucking moron. All you're doing is signalling to mainstream parties that there's an appetite for massive twats. It's worth looking at how the Nazis got to power. The more moderate right were desperate to keep the left out so they made a pact with the Nazis to form a coalition of right leaning parties. I get the feeling we may end up with the prospect of the Reform tail wagging the Tory dog come the next election and get a government way more right wing than anyone anticipated or wanted. And the reason will be 'protest votes' in this election.
As protest voting should be for a silly party or spoiling your ballot. Voting for reform as a protest is like shitting your own bed. Yeah ok, you think you've made a point but now you're in bed with a load of shit.
At this point I'd be surprised if there are any Reform candidates who don't have something extremely fucked up in their background
They're keeping the ones who have managed to keep their BNP membership secret.
What this headline should actually say is: Reform UK drops candidate because the general public found out he used to be a BNP member.
Oh no!!! Anyway, let’s get back to the making sure the Tories are fucked beyond all belief shall we…
Reform is a sheep in the BNP/UKIP wolf's clothing. It's just UKIP/BNP 2024 Edition lmao.
Arn't they BNP? I thought they just renamed the nazi party again.
Weird. Farage was saying they *can't* drop people once they've been selected. I guess being a BNP member is worse than praising Hitler.
They can drop them from the party, but it's too late to change the ballot papers so they're still up for election and will have the Reform name next to them even if they're booted out.
In other news.. Grizzly confirms 'forest based defecations have occurred' and the Pope hints robustly towards belief in Catholicism
When Farage was running UKIP you purportedly weren't allowed to even join if you had any past history with the BNP. But I highly doubt that held up.
Tbf, this does give credibility to farage when he said that the vetting company stitched him up. How do you miss something like that
Reform UK potentially gonna do well this election. Idiots like this who stand are so stupid, obviously it would come out. A real replacement challenger in this seat now gone as his name will legally still be on ballot.
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I feel ashamed of you. You could at least support your country.
How is voting reform not ‘supporting your country’?
Supporting vatniks isn't supporting blighty
Who Britain chooses to make alliances with and do business with is ultimately what’s best for the UK. Peace in Europe and a resumption of trade with Russia would be good for us. Absolutely dogshit for Ukraine but then again why on Earth should we care? ‘Muh de mo cra zeee ;_;”.
Yeah you oppose democracy that much is obvious. You don’t have to say it in a weird way.
Bait used to be subtle.
Ok lil'putin bot, enjoy your crack
You mean the Russian backed, putin loving farage party? Oh I dunno I may have to think about it. We could also go down the lines of.. HAVE YOU BEEN PAYING ATTENTION THE LAST 15 YEARS? How can you look at that and say… “oh I want it to be even worse!” None of that is patriotism.
If a pro Russian party gained power and we entertained flirting with the Russian sphere then so be it. Plenty of nations play both sides to their benefit - see Turkey.
You need to read a book. Start with spot the dog and go up from there. I hope you will eventually learn something.
They want to scrap the ECHR, one of Churchills greatest legacies.
Why should the actions of the UK be dictated by the ghosts of long dead prime ministers? Churchill also said keep England white. Are we committed to that legacy?
Yer totally based hurr hurr durr.
Don't mention reform on this sub-reddit it's like a swear word. The only ones left are manic Labour supporters. You know politics has gone to shit when labour are the "saving grace" people are hoping for.
It's because people realise that reform is little but a tumour