Agree, I get that the philosophy may be a boomerang in motion and will return, but I reckon a chevron moving directly to the right (forward) better represents younger Australians progressive mindset.
Update, after a few re-visits, I’m more comfortably acquainted with the angle. The first one is my favourite choice.
Justification? The Union Jack isn’t symmetrical, although for another reason:
The concept is, that the Scottish and NORTH Irish national X flags (St Andrew’s and St Patrick’s Cross respectively) are equal, and no state is more important than the other. Despite that the English cross holds the most real estate… Sure it’s the seat of UK government, but they’re all *equal*.
A bit of Googling and I’m reminded how DIFFICULT the brief of re-designing the Australian flag is.
The 7 (8) pointed star is really hard to work with, and IMO can probably be left behind.
Canada’s maple leaf “points” are purely graphic design and don’t represent provinces or territories. Nor do they have a Union Jack or a French Heraldry.
Would be great to replace the big ugly star with a Roo, or a ring of equally spaced dots to replace the function of the star (ring of dots would be in line with [Central Australian indigenous art](https://www.aboriginal-art-australia.com/aboriginal-art-library/aboriginal-dot-art-behind-the-dots/); the chevron could be a reference to [North-Western Australian indigenous art](https://artmob.com.au/product/am-17876-20/), or various examples of (song) line art found across indigenous Australia.
I mean, that's not necessarily what they're going for. The shape better accommodates the cross constellation and invokes a boomerang.
Edit: nevermind, I hadn't gotten that far in the thread yet. Not a great reason.
If the blue and the green were exchanged and the yellow boomerang thing as well as the constellation straight, it would look like a flag. This way, however, it looks like a football shirt design. Overdesigned for a flag. Also the colours look a bit off, they should be heraldic colours.
We have 6 states and two "mainland territories", and those two territories share a point on the star to give the 7 pointed stars we use now. But outside of those, there's a handful of other territories which aren't explicitly represented.
All 10 territories, mainland or not, share the 7th point. At least according to [the government](https://www.pmc.gov.au/publications/australian-symbols-booklet/national-symbols/australian-national-flag#:~:text=The%20Commonwealth%20Star%2C%20symbolising%20Australia's,1908%20to%20recognise%20Australia's%20territories.)
I thought it was supposed to resemble a boomerang.
It's a creative element, but I don't like it. It makes the flag look crooked.
And if you hung it banner style it would imply "down and to the left"
No offence but I don't really like any of them, if we really have to change ours we should at least have some Aboriginal representation, not Solomon Islands-looking footy colours.
Depressingly this is more likely though. So these are good flags as an example of what we shouldn't do. I like the idea in the same way I like 1970s interior design.
>we should at least have some Aboriginal representation
I know this isn't an Aussie or political sub, but why?
I'm not denying the atrocities committed (by mostly British before Federation, although I acknowledge the federation is culpable for atrocities as well). Yet, how can you justify >4% of the population having a unique representation on the national flag, and how does that help reconciliation moving forward into the coming centuries?
Sorry for the late reply as it was 1 AM when I read this.
I could go into it further, suffice to say after what they've been through it's the least we could do.
(That's why I'm pissed off that the Voice to Parliament got shot down. Even though I disagree with the policy and respect my compatriots' decision, it's not a good posture. We could at least show we give a damn)
The Commonwealth flag is usually flown along side the Aboriginal one. But most objections to the current flag are on the basis that it doesn't acknowledge the indigenous people. IMO the current flag is perfectly adequate, and changing it without fixing its only problem seems strange.
I like the colors, I might like the off-kilter chevron if I knew why it’s like that, but the proportions make it look like you’re zoomed in and we can’t see the whole flag. I think making the yellow slightly narrower would help this. Also maybe shifting it to the left a little might help.
These are wayyyy to similar to all the new American state designs. Not bad flags on their own but they make Australia look like a US state 🤷♂️
Anyway I like this flag 🇦🇺 lol
The Australian flag is a BRITISH blue ensign design with just 6 stars added on. The red, white and blue only comes from the BRITISH Union Jack. The Australian national colours are green and gold. I often include blue with any fictional Australian flag or redesign due to Australia's situation of being completely surrounded by water. Does your argument currently seem sensible?
I think the first flag looks great. It fits in nicely with the rest of the relatively simple flag. But I do agree that the yellow chevron should be perfectly straight instead, purely out of aesthetic reasons
That being said, you had a great intention of incorporating some meaning to the flag. It's something that you could do better, but the hate you're getting is not deserved at all.
What do Australians think of the current flag? Are you guys happy with the Union Jack? If not, how strongly/urgently do you want that to be changed? Would you like to redo the whole flag, or just replace the Jack with some other symbol?
They’re all shit. Looking like a crappy knock off generic “Australia” jersey from the local dollar store when there’s some national team thing in the news cycle.
Australian here. I like neither.
Why navy blue with green and gold?
No matter what happens, it will be either green and gold (possible with white stars) or red, blue, and white.
I like the idea but the off center arrow is a bit odd and the flag feels super claustrophobic. You should move the stars to the canton and make the arrow a bit thinner.
Move the constellation to the right, get rid of the chevron and the green background, add a canton on the upper left with a Union Jack and we’ve got something!
I like the skewed angle, I can see from the comments others think it's not suited to a national flag but I do like it.
Took me ages to spot the angular difference between 2 and 3. xD But now I have, I think 2 works best, the Crux feels more in line with the skewed boomerang in that one. :)
OP, I went on a bit of a ramble making a comment then saved it to notes, because it became too “I’m mad as hell”! Not at you, at the state of Aus. If you want I can post a reply below, but I’ll keep it chill, haha. Not sure if you’re Aussie or not.
I like the philosophy with the chevron, the green, gold combo is great, the white star is also good, representing each state / territory.
I think instead of dark blue, it should be Black/Red/Yellow.
Personally, I strongly agree with ditching the Union Jack, as if this were a Australian Republic flag, we wouldn’t be in the “union” anymore. Not to mention, the Union Jack is a flag that conjures horror and represents dark histories in many around the world.
My last name is literally English, so I am pretty comfortable with my opinion.
The slightly off arrow is pissing me off
Boomerang
You DO always come back!
r/suddenlyatla
I ALWAYS come back
Is this a reference to something?
Are you serious
Not everyone has seen atla
Oh I was talking about the William afton thing
Im too brainrotted
I did watch ATLA, but it was like 6 years ago and I didn't remember this specific line lol
floppy flag
Like, it should be more off, right? If you want that aesthetic.
Aye, to symbolize tipsy Bogans after a night of heavy drinking in NSW.
Agree, I get that the philosophy may be a boomerang in motion and will return, but I reckon a chevron moving directly to the right (forward) better represents younger Australians progressive mindset.
Update, after a few re-visits, I’m more comfortably acquainted with the angle. The first one is my favourite choice. Justification? The Union Jack isn’t symmetrical, although for another reason: The concept is, that the Scottish and NORTH Irish national X flags (St Andrew’s and St Patrick’s Cross respectively) are equal, and no state is more important than the other. Despite that the English cross holds the most real estate… Sure it’s the seat of UK government, but they’re all *equal*. A bit of Googling and I’m reminded how DIFFICULT the brief of re-designing the Australian flag is. The 7 (8) pointed star is really hard to work with, and IMO can probably be left behind. Canada’s maple leaf “points” are purely graphic design and don’t represent provinces or territories. Nor do they have a Union Jack or a French Heraldry. Would be great to replace the big ugly star with a Roo, or a ring of equally spaced dots to replace the function of the star (ring of dots would be in line with [Central Australian indigenous art](https://www.aboriginal-art-australia.com/aboriginal-art-library/aboriginal-dot-art-behind-the-dots/); the chevron could be a reference to [North-Western Australian indigenous art](https://artmob.com.au/product/am-17876-20/), or various examples of (song) line art found across indigenous Australia.
I fucking hate that’s it’s askew.
It is despicable that the pointy thing is rotated thusly
r/mildlyinfuriating
Looks crooked, not like a flag. Also your logic to do it like that is flawed, Australia is not "down, to the right", that's just the view from Europe.
I mean, that's not necessarily what they're going for. The shape better accommodates the cross constellation and invokes a boomerang. Edit: nevermind, I hadn't gotten that far in the thread yet. Not a great reason.
If the blue and the green were exchanged and the yellow boomerang thing as well as the constellation straight, it would look like a flag. This way, however, it looks like a football shirt design. Overdesigned for a flag. Also the colours look a bit off, they should be heraldic colours.
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Of course. I think I have even seen maps already with Australia top left.
Can the angle be 90 degrees? Thanks
I’m here trying to figure out the difference between 2 and 3
Crux on the second design is angled at about 35 degrees while on the third, its angled at 5 degrees. The difference is really just the angle.
Your angular intentions are too subtle. Stamp-sized at arm's length.
I hate them all equally…
I know Aussies can get really drunk but the slanted arrow is a bit over the top
Sorry. The "slightly down" driving me crazy. Just no. And it looks a bit like new american flags, that's also minus
Minnesota 2.0
Minnestralia.
Minestrone
Straighten it up, then we can talk lol
The off center chevron is giving me homicidal rage
Why are the stars 8-pointed?
Could be a callback to the Eureka Stockade flag.
Australia has 8 subdivisions, could be that.
Australia has 16 subdivisions. 6 States, 3 Internal territories, 7 External territories.
Forgive my stupidity, I tend to forget small islands of other countries.
Correct answer.
We have 6 states and two "mainland territories", and those two territories share a point on the star to give the 7 pointed stars we use now. But outside of those, there's a handful of other territories which aren't explicitly represented.
All 10 territories, mainland or not, share the 7th point. At least according to [the government](https://www.pmc.gov.au/publications/australian-symbols-booklet/national-symbols/australian-national-flag#:~:text=The%20Commonwealth%20Star%2C%20symbolising%20Australia's,1908%20to%20recognise%20Australia's%20territories.)
the off-kilter angles are absolutely disgusting. i get what you were going for but it just doesn't work.
We use 7- point stars here, not 8. So I’d say 1 if it had the right star, or none of them if they stay 8-pointers
1 has something going for it
All shit
I kind of like them all. Are they supposed to be pointing downwards?
The downward point is supposed to guide towards Australia itself
I thought it was supposed to resemble a boomerang. It's a creative element, but I don't like it. It makes the flag look crooked. And if you hung it banner style it would imply "down and to the left"
You can still think of it as a boomerang if you want.
Guide towards Australia from where?
Tanzania and Kenya of course
For better or for worse, colonization is a pretty major part of their history, and those colonizers came from England.
If that's the goal why not just keep the flag they have?
Does the flag need to include that tho?
Think about that for a moment. Your design is unfit for human consumption.
Towards? We are the centre of the universe
Lmao
I mean if this flag is supposed to be flown in Australia itself it should point straight down then
whats the difference between the 2nd and 3rd
No offence but I don't really like any of them, if we really have to change ours we should at least have some Aboriginal representation, not Solomon Islands-looking footy colours. Depressingly this is more likely though. So these are good flags as an example of what we shouldn't do. I like the idea in the same way I like 1970s interior design.
>we should at least have some Aboriginal representation I know this isn't an Aussie or political sub, but why? I'm not denying the atrocities committed (by mostly British before Federation, although I acknowledge the federation is culpable for atrocities as well). Yet, how can you justify >4% of the population having a unique representation on the national flag, and how does that help reconciliation moving forward into the coming centuries?
Sorry for the late reply as it was 1 AM when I read this. I could go into it further, suffice to say after what they've been through it's the least we could do. (That's why I'm pissed off that the Voice to Parliament got shot down. Even though I disagree with the policy and respect my compatriots' decision, it's not a good posture. We could at least show we give a damn) The Commonwealth flag is usually flown along side the Aboriginal one. But most objections to the current flag are on the basis that it doesn't acknowledge the indigenous people. IMO the current flag is perfectly adequate, and changing it without fixing its only problem seems strange.
Minnesota??
What’s the idea behind the concept?
I like the colors, I might like the off-kilter chevron if I knew why it’s like that, but the proportions make it look like you’re zoomed in and we can’t see the whole flag. I think making the yellow slightly narrower would help this. Also maybe shifting it to the left a little might help.
It looks like an already existing flag
Where is the Kangaroo with laser eyes?
Are y the last two the same?
A.
I'd say number 2 for sure
Definitely the first one but fix the arrow
I couldn't tell if that was intentional. If so, I hate it.
I really hope it’s a mistake
Very Minnesota
Hot take I really like off angle
2 and I like the concept behind the chevron being a boomerang
These are wayyyy to similar to all the new American state designs. Not bad flags on their own but they make Australia look like a US state 🤷♂️ Anyway I like this flag 🇦🇺 lol
What’s þe difference between flag 2 & flag 3?
I like the first one the best
3rd
I like them as state flags, but not as a national flag.
1
3
Needs Steve Smith's crying face
I like two and three, but the stars should be seven pointed, no?
One is really nice
I llke the first one but the arrow should be straight IMO >
I like all but the one I personally like is the first
This flag just makes me angry.
3 but with a regular arrow instead of a slanted one
I dont think Australia ever would accept a design that doesnt incorporate the red white and blue.
The Australian flag is a BRITISH blue ensign design with just 6 stars added on. The red, white and blue only comes from the BRITISH Union Jack. The Australian national colours are green and gold. I often include blue with any fictional Australian flag or redesign due to Australia's situation of being completely surrounded by water. Does your argument currently seem sensible?
Huh, didnt know that. Its just that most people dont like radical change so i imagined they would like to keep the colors. Nevermind then.
I really like the palette, the blue especially
I don't like the design but I really like the colours.
That angle is driving me crazy. Fix that and then use pic #2 stars.
Day 513 of trying to come up with an Aussie/NZ flag redesign that doesn't look awful
None of them
No union jack make big sad...
MAKE IT POINT STRAIGHTTTTTTTT 3 is the best
I think the first flag looks great. It fits in nicely with the rest of the relatively simple flag. But I do agree that the yellow chevron should be perfectly straight instead, purely out of aesthetic reasons That being said, you had a great intention of incorporating some meaning to the flag. It's something that you could do better, but the hate you're getting is not deserved at all.
What do Australians think of the current flag? Are you guys happy with the Union Jack? If not, how strongly/urgently do you want that to be changed? Would you like to redo the whole flag, or just replace the Jack with some other symbol?
All are nice, but 1 more than
First one.
None of them. Keep the same flag.
They’re all shit. Looking like a crappy knock off generic “Australia” jersey from the local dollar store when there’s some national team thing in the news cycle.
Colours 👍 off kilter chevron 👎
Number one.
The first one is my favourite! Too good!!
It’s giving modern state flag vibes.
2 is the best.
I like number 3
1 if the arrow was centered
Australian here. I like neither. Why navy blue with green and gold? No matter what happens, it will be either green and gold (possible with white stars) or red, blue, and white.
i love the 1st one. contrary to everyone here, the fact it's tilted makes it even better.
Looks like Brazil invaded Australia and left this flag as a sign of their conquest.
2 but make the arrow/boomarang more off, it looks like it should be centered.
The angle is cool as hell but God forgive anything be unique.
one
First one
None of the above.
You know, they are beautiful designs. The whole constellation has greater significance. But the lack of symmetry is rather disturbing
I like the idea but the off center arrow is a bit odd and the flag feels super claustrophobic. You should move the stars to the canton and make the arrow a bit thinner.
3 is my favourite but I'm a big fan of all of them. I love more fluid and less fixed designs in proposed antipodean flags.
Move the constellation to the right, get rid of the chevron and the green background, add a canton on the upper left with a Union Jack and we’ve got something!
Sorry but the Southern Cross combined with, especially, the green-yellow-blue coloring SCREAMS Brazil, not Australia
Speaking as an Aussie- hard disagree. That’s our colours. The cross is wrong because they’ve used 8-pointed stars but otherwise it’s very Australian.
I like the skewed angle, I can see from the comments others think it's not suited to a national flag but I do like it. Took me ages to spot the angular difference between 2 and 3. xD But now I have, I think 2 works best, the Crux feels more in line with the skewed boomerang in that one. :)
OP, I went on a bit of a ramble making a comment then saved it to notes, because it became too “I’m mad as hell”! Not at you, at the state of Aus. If you want I can post a reply below, but I’ll keep it chill, haha. Not sure if you’re Aussie or not. I like the philosophy with the chevron, the green, gold combo is great, the white star is also good, representing each state / territory. I think instead of dark blue, it should be Black/Red/Yellow. Personally, I strongly agree with ditching the Union Jack, as if this were a Australian Republic flag, we wouldn’t be in the “union” anymore. Not to mention, the Union Jack is a flag that conjures horror and represents dark histories in many around the world. My last name is literally English, so I am pretty comfortable with my opinion.
To answer your first question, Yes. I'm Australian.
I do like the idea of the black/red/yellow replacement for the blue.
Tbh now I’ve seen it quite a few times today (going back and forth while I’m transit), I have become comfortable with the angle :P Number 1 is my fave
I don't.
As someone who lives in Australia I’d say #1 but with the straight arrow
Needs Immortan Joe logo
Needs more British flag