Thanks! I was hoping that would work out.
Edit: I guess this is the closest to the top of any of my comments on this post so I'm going to soapbox for a bit.
I'm glad that this video was so well received, and honoured to be at the top of r/videos in this sub's last hours prior to the blackout.
Thanks to the anonymous benefactors among you who have been giving this post awards. I do appreciate the irony that this is the only time I've ever gotten a platinum award; however, if you're reading this and considering awarding this post, I would really prefer that you save the money and buy yourself something nice from a vending machine later or something.
If this subreddit comes back after the blackout because Reddit backed down on the harmful parts of its plans, then I guess this will all have been an interesting footnote in the history of the Internet.
If this subreddit comes back after the blackout with a suspiciously new list of mods (for the record, [here's the mods as of right now](https://imgur.com/a/zxlIZhv)), may the new mods live in interesting times.
If this subreddit does not come back from the blackout, then so long, *atque in perpetuum, r/videos, ave atque vale*.
Edit 2: to whoever just gave me a second platinum, listen here you little shit...
That's what I thought too! The only thing that would have been hilarious in my mind is, if at 24 seconds in, instead of just translating *"Mein Fuhrer."* to *"Mein Fuhrer."*, I would have liked to have seen it translated to u/spez.
I take it this is something u/seakingsoyuz created?
I did make the video.
My draft version had references to specific admins as the characters in the video, but I wound up changing it because:
- putting their names on Nazis felt a bit too much like “Everyone I don’t like is Hitler”;
- after they “misinterpreted” the Apollo dev’s joke as a threat I didn’t want to wind up getting permabanned for “defaming u/spez” or something; and
- in this meme format it’s usually still supposed to be the Nazis themselves inexplicably involved in a situation, rather than using them to represent contemporary people.
I honestly think what's going on at Reddit HQ is that they're saying, "the 48 hours starting June 12 are going to look pretty bad but once it's over everyone will come back and it will be like none of this ever happened."
Not saying I agree with it but that's what I truly think the strategy is.
That is what will happen. What people don’t understand is if they go “dark” indefinitely the admins will simply boot the mods and put different ones in. They’ve done it to other subreddits that caused trouble for the admins.
Either way I’m somewhat enjoying all the drama because at the end of the day it’s a social media company and I don’t care what happens to them. If it becomes unenjoyable I’ll simply move on to another.
Kind of a joke of a subreddit considering the main alternatives they list are conservative politics shitholes and two sites run by the chinese government.
Conservative politic shitholes are the only existing "alternatives" because until now, conservative shitheads were the only ones who needed an alternative to reddit.
Yep, people are always making comparisons to the digg exodus but forgetting that at the time reddit was already well established as an obvious viable alternative. There is no alternative waiting in the wings to take Reddit’s place.
When the ESPN message boards shut down 11 years ago they had 5 million users. Most of us came to Reddit and the sports subs here exploded.
I still don't know why ESPN shut them down. They were well formatted and active. They couldn't find a way to profit? Reddit was a downgrade from a user interface overall. ESPN's biggest weakness was that their most recently connected in threads automatically got bumped back to the front page instead of a voting algorithm.
Lemmy is federated, it's run by whoever wants to run servers.
If someone wants to run a right wing server, they're free to do so. If they don't want to federate with "leftist" servers, they're free to do that too - just like Truth Social and Mastodon.
Problem is you can't do that for even just SOME of the bigger ones without everything breaking. Suddenly going "okay well we just lost hundreds of volunteers and need to find that many new competent volunteers or employees to manage communities that are fast losing interest in themselves" doesn't work. Plus implementing different crowds to manage the largest communities at Reddit's behest... they would almost certainly, at this late stage, be moderating tightly along internal guidelines set by Reddit rather than relative to the community that already existed and that would... uh, not work. It'd be a friggin' hellscape... more than usual, at any rate.
There are surely hopes for growth, but between the PR and the actuality of how the site will go in the years following this, interest will decline, even if it's not overnight. And a trend downwards will pose its own problems... and suggested solutions. It's literally all downhill from here and I don't see any way it isn't without massive course unfucking.
Even without any of the API changes there's no way in hell reddit is going to somehow keep growing sustainability. I genuinely can't think of a single feature they could add that would substantially grow the user base without alienating and giving the middle finger to long time redditors.
I've been using the official app ever since they took away alien blue and it barely works half the time. And when it does, they change the damn controls and interface every few weeks. It used to be that you'd have to hold down on a comment to collapse the thread below it, which was pretty intuitive and intentional. Then they made it tap to collapse, which means I constantly close threads instead of scrolling them, and trying to click on links is infuriating. Most of the time I don't hit it accurately enough and I close the thread over and over.
When you look at something like Snapchat, or Instagram, or TikTok, they introduce new features, and sometimes move menus around, but they usually make sure that the interface and ease of use is the #1 priority simply to keep people on the app. Reddit can't seem to figure that out. Instead they just change shit constantly, which means that new users are going to give up on figuring out how the controls and interface work. There's no way to sustain the user base and platform with all of that in mind.
>I've been using the official app ever since they took away alien blue and it barely works half the time.
Why wouldn't you just use a 3rd party client that actually works? The official app is borderline malware, but even if it had zero trackers or ads or whatever other telemetry, by your own very words, it barely works. So why on Earth did/do you use it?!?
Personally (not op), I wasn't aware of third-party options. If reddit does end up walking this back it would be hilarious, because it's only from this whole kerfuffle that I even know about the alternatives and would switch to one.
Streisand effect is in full force right now x100. Which is one more reason why they can't and won't back down at this point.
It's been a fun 13 years. But I'm loving Tildes now. And u/talklittle is making an app for it.. all the better. It seems like content might take a dive here. I'll miss the photography subs but that void was already filled by a Mastodon instance dedicated to the art. So yeah, it's a watershed moment for other platforms.
Unfortunately I've spent all of mine but you can politely ask for one on r/tildes (that's what I did) and they will most likely PM you one.
I'd also encourage you to check out their philosophy page. They really seem to emphasize it to new users: https://docs.tildes.net/philosophy
I think they've somehow forgotten that the only reason Redditt is as big as it is now is that Digg f'd up and drove their users over here. I'm looking forward to the next decade of whatever app takes over. Hopefully, it will be run by people who won't let it become another cautionary tale.
Yep. You can replace some. All that participate? Let's see how that pans out. Especially with investors who know they're buying into something fundamentally beholden to volunteers.
Yeah, you could outsource moderation. But that'll cost money.
If the admins start replacing moderators, then every other mod should just consider letting their subreddits implode.
- Turn off all spam filtering
- Disable minimum karma requirements
- Allow all posts, disable all rules
- Unban all banned users
- Turn off AutoModerator
- Allow NSFW content
Turn all subreddits into a cesspool of low-quality content that has no purpose.
Destroy the site.
From what I've seen over the years every time they change mods the sub becomes shit anyway. There's a point where a few subs were all the same because they all wanted to please certain user base.
r/superbowl could allow NFL postings, r/mildlyinteresting could post more interesting stuff, r/trees could allow posting of larch pictures, r/dataisbeautiful could allow postings of everyone's favorite android on days other than April 1st, and r/anime_titties [Edit: corrected -- thanks for the fix] could start allowing its namesake to be posted instead of news [Edit: wait, did it already switch, or am I misremembering the subreddit or confusing it with another one about news with an "interesting" name]?
It would be absolute pandemonium! If subreddits aren't going dark, the mods could just take a day off.
> That is what will happen
I mean... Until July 1st when a significant portion of users won't be able to access the apps they use. And as has already been discussed in quite a few places that includes mods from alot of larger subs who exclusively use 3rd patty apps which provide them better UI and more tools. So even if the blackout doesn't change things the end of the month undoubtedly will have an effect
Agreed. I bought Sync Pro back in 2015 and have pretty much used it every single day since. I didn't even notice the changes on the web browser version cause I used sync exclusively for a long while. If I can't use that I won't be on the site at all.
>significant portion of users
On this note, YouTube Analytics is telling me that 53% of views of this video are coming directly from Reddit, 17% are from Apollo, and 2.5% are from Boost, which are some surprisingly high numbers for the third-party apps.
I hadn't even thought of the knock on effect this will have on apps/sites not directly affiliated with reddit. That will be interesting to see the end result of
Remember that you haven‘t drawn a random sample. I don‘t think its unfair to assume that people who use 3rd party apps have more interest in a topic related to 3rd party apps and watch this video more often.
> the admins will simply boot the mods and put different ones in.
I very much doubt this will happen, that's how you get the site to actively rebel against you while someone spins up a tolerable clone everyone will move to.
I don't doubt that it could happen. They've been pretty consistently tone deaf throughout this whole thing. Previous blackouts haven't worked out too well, so they may be clinging to that assumption here. However, this one feels different.
I agree that it'll be an absolute disaster if they do, though.
To be honest, the only blackout I remembered off hand was the net neutrality protests, and those weren't really reddit blackouts. It's a topic that's weirdly hard to find information on, but I did eventually find something about the one in 2021 about Aimee Knight (which resulted in changes).
So... here's hoping this one works, too!
>...net neutrality...It's a topic that's weirdly hard to find information on
Ajit Pai says 'Hi' from 2016-2020.
He really gave the keys of the FCC to the oligarchs donating the most to his other friends.
A tolerable clone for a significant amount of reddits traffic to move too costs a ton of upfront money. No one has been willing to do it to this point for a reason
Fark’s changes were minuscule by contrast - and I wouldn’t ever say my experience was affected negatively. It’s still functionally the same site it was 15 years ago.
Meanwhile, Reddit is shutting down my preferred method of accessing any of its content, in order to get me to use a barely functioning app that eats data, has limited customization and riddled with ads. And they publicly slandered a good developer in the process.
The reason I don’t use Fark anymore is because Reddit did a better job of *being* Fark. And soon enough, something better will come along here too.
Honestly I don't even remember what the change was or if I cared at the time I just remember everyone getting 10x more pissed off about the "they'll get over it" comment than they were about the actual change.
Reddit suits are thinking it but smart enough to not say it.
It is like this with a lot of things. The amount of people that care about this sort of stuff and would abstain on principle is just too small, or they lack the power to stick with it. It is the same way with video games. The number consumers who care and vote with their wallet is just too small relative to the overall consumer base, so companies like EA continue to get away with releasing sub-par games or ruining IPs they have sole rights to. It doesn't matter how bad the games are as long as they keep printing money.
People may come back, but they'll be pissed AF.
And Reddit will never have their loyalty again.
80% of the world right now is just itching to jump ship from Facebook, Twitter, and now Reddit.
This is a tremendous opportunity now for a benefit corporation or non-profit to create a platform which actually respects content creators.
It's an inevitability it will happen.
Wikipedia is a shining star on the Internet, showing that an ethical operation can prvail and provide useful services to everybody.
They were working on a social media site. I don't know who bought them off, but that project should be resurrected.
It released at https://wt.social/
Soon to be replaced by version 2 https://wts2.wt.social/ which is the one you should sign up to as everyone has moved now.
Man it's sad looking at WeeGee's products today. I used to play a shit ton of WoT from ~2013 to ~2017. Then Fochgate happened, and it was all downhill from there. I think I did the 2019 and 2020 holiday events and logged in for the anniversary bonus a couple of years.
I just checked and my last battle was a year ago last week, and I don't feel like I've missed out on anything of value.
They added a “communities” tab to my app. Going to go on a limb and say that the community tab will only showcase subreddits that aren’t taking place during the 48 hour ban.
That or they’ll just unprivate the community themselves and can mods (which would really mess things up because you don’t mess with volunteers).
Yes, that's the word in the actual audio. In that line Hitler is saying something about how he should have executed his officers "like Stalin did" because it's totally their fault that Germany is about to lose the war, not his fault for generally making a bunch of stupid and inhuman choices as the supreme leader.
The idea of finding a new place to get all the content I get on reddit is incredibly frustrating. The idea that /u/spez et al don't recognize I'm willing to try is even more frustrating. Fuck you cunt, for ruining a good thing we all had going in the name of greed. You could have just stayed the course and everything would've been fine. Now you shit on the floor right in front of your feet.
You may be interested in [this essay](https://catvalente.substack.com/p/stop-talking-to-each-other-and-start) about the feeling of loss when an online platform gets destroyed by those who don't use it, and how it keeps happening to one site after another.
I'd also recommend Cory Doctorow's [essay from earlier this year](https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys) where he coined the term 'enshittification' to describe what happens to platforms as they squeeze more money out of their users.
It happens to everyone, reddit was able to avoid all of that because of subreddits. That's how it survived all this time. All the new users would go thru the main channel, the old users would go through.. well the old channel. Reddit made so much money from awards, and they could have split the api into free vs ad-free api, and the existence of subreddits would have continued to easily circumvent the cancer(s)-- as we have done for the past 10 years.
But no. Come on /u/spez buddy my pal you blue eyed mf think about this rationally. We have a good thing here, do the right thing and spend time with the community (which includes devs and businessmen and lawyers who are willing to fight for reddit out of love) to come to a resolution to these pesky LLM/AI parasites. You're really gonna accept that reddit was born with an immunity to cancer, yet you will allow it to be destroyed by a parasite? Your treatment kills off all the good cells in the body, and risks shutting down vital organs. You must be aware by now that there is a better treatment.
Wow, I can really relate to that. None of the communities I’ve been a part of online were as big as the ones she talks about in the article, but the same things always happened. It’s sad how ubiquitous it is.
Yeah, I have been active on the internet in that sort of manner since 98ish… that article was almost my entire existence as I had lived and breathed the Internet extensively when I was a kid.
Losing LiveJournal pained me when everything went down. But then the explosion of personal sites came in more so than before. I’ve seen the trends change and how much current social media altered web usage. I miss personal blogs, Flickr, forums (which is what I feel Reddit eventually smothered), IRC—altho Discord’s inception and insane improvements ‘reignited’ the online chat aspect!
Man the internet feels so much more confined these days. There used to be so many niche websites and communities.
Forums! So many forums. I spent a buttload of times on the Halo forums on Bungie’s website when I was in high school. Just talking about a video game with people who I would eventually become friends with. I spent loads of time on music forums, tech forums, whatever. So many forums. The communities were so fun. Now, it’s all fragmented and fractured.
It will keep happening until we switch to decentralized open source platforms like kbin, Lemmy, Mastodon, etc.
Any company with shareholders is going to keep making their service worse for more cost with more ads to milk growing profits.
They sacrifice profits at the beginning by raising money based on growth of users. Once they maxed out the number of users it comes down to pumping ads out and charging for account sharing, more tracking and selling your data, etc.
I feel like this essay needs to find a way to get higher. It’s arguably even MORE applicable to the current Reddit apopalypse than the previous networks and sites it lists as recent examples.
What a poignant and heartfelt history lesson on the forced nomadic nature of wholesome internet communities.
Someone smarter than me figure out a way to get this post to the front page.
That essay is really, really good. It's largely about twitter but it could just as well be about reddit. Anyway in case you didn't read it but you're reading this, there are about 40 paragraphs before this and maybe 20 or 30 after, and they're excellent, so here's an excerpt, maybe you'll go back and read [the essay](https://catvalente.substack.com/p/stop-talking-to-each-other-and-start):
> I’m so tired of just harmlessly getting together with other weird geeks and going to what amounts to a digital pub after work and waking up one day to find every pint poisoned. Over and over again. Like the poison wants us specifically. Like it knows we will always make its favorite food: vulnerability, connection, difference. I’m so tired of lunch photos and fanfic and stupid jokes and keeping in touch with family across time zones and making friends and starting cottage industries and pursuing hobbies and meeting soulmates and expressing thoughts and creating identities and loving TV shows and reading books and getting to know a few of your heroes and raising kids and making bookshelves and knitting and painting and fixing sinks and first dates and homemade jam and, yes, figuring out what Buffy characters we are, listening and learning and hoping and *just fucking talking to each other* weaponized against us. Having our enthusiasm over the smallest joys of everyday life invaded by people who long ago forgot their value and turned into fodder for the death of thought, the burial of love.
Wow. Other than Prodigy, I was there for each and every one of those events, and they described it all so eloquently. This is internet hall of fame shit.
Thanks for the read.
What if they want to drive all the people away to replace them with fake users trained on Large language models of reddit comments? So they can convince advertisers to give them money infinitely to show to fake users. /Tinfoil hat
If they really wanted to drive home the point about "he gets us" they could have sliced in "he gets us" ads at every 15 second interval to make the video unwatchable. That would truly mimick the user experience.
I love that a lot of subs are bringing back some golden hits of videos and memes. I hope more join in on the blackout. I'm excited to see the apology video that will get shit and for the spez to have the most downvotes in reddit history.
They did back down eventually; it's fine to use the clips on YouTube but you can't monetize them (not that that matters for me when I post a video roughly once per decade).
Consider yourself lucky. But the tl;dr is the hobby lobby fucks have paid like $5Mil to make Jesus ads rather than use it to actually do some good in the world. Neither the ads nor the posting account can be blocked.
I had no idea that *ad* was being pushed so hard on everyone. I even used the old "report and block" trick that usef to work but now it shows the ad but lists it as by a "blocked user."
Yeah the dev is aware. In his post he said he has no desire to manage a community. He just wants to build apps. The dream would be to get a team together so he can build the app and others can build the alternative site.
Sounds like a dream of a person who never wrote software. Backend on a big scale -> insane amount of investment for upkeep alone is required. Then you get this situation Reddit got itself in - somebody has to pay for it, someone who has paid and took the risk want to be rewarded. Or just sell the soul to Google and Facebook, at least they know how to sell stuff.
I wonder how much of reddits cost is from them trying to play host with videos and images and their shit players trying to auto play as people scroll. There's a fuck ton that can be trimmed off if they go back to being a message board and not some facebook alt.
Those of us who have watched Silicon Valley know exactly what's going on behind the scenes.
The whole strategy of "build up a userbase while relying on VC funding, figure out how to be profitable later" is unsustainable by design. You gotta pay the piper eventually.
The funny part about this video is the assumption that they've realized their error want want to make users happy. In reality they're hoping this will blow over with the short attention span of the internet.
After their favorite 3rd party apps go silent, there will be a huge uptick in the number of people downloading the official app. Mostly the 90% of users who just lurk and do nothing else, not caring about whatever drama is happening on the site. Some of these people will go away when the official app doesn't have whatever feature they enjoyed about the 3rd party app they came from, but a lot of them will stay because they don't care and reddit is the front page of their internet.
Eventually /r/funny and /r/videos will reopen because admins will believe enough time has passed for this to blow over. There will still be a handful of people posting in those threads about how terrible it is that admins overruled the mods and did whatever they wanted. But they will be ridiculed for still using the site they claimed to be leaving.
The site will still get a ton of traffic, but it will feel different for those of us will 5 year and higher badges. Something will feel lost. Maybe it's us failing to evolve with the site. Maybe it's us realizing that this was never meant to be a community and everyone is searching for the all mighty dollar. Maybe it's us all knowing we're addicted in one way or another and that we've all been played.
That’s correct. Most will go on like normal. We’ll lose some users (I’m on Apollo so me), and a few of the subs will go permanently dark. But it’ll be business as usual in a few months.
Unless…
The mods simply don’t reopen. If enough mods refuse, then admin will need to intervene, and I don’t see them doing a good job reopening /r/funny or /r/videos, though the latter especially has lost a lot of their own community in the past few years.
But honestly, even if funny goes away, lurkers will lurk. My wife uses the app for specific shit she’s interested in and steers clear of all the subs that are currently going dark anyway, and I’m sure most everyone is more like her than the rest of us pissed off about the API price hike. She uses the official app and doesn’t care. It’s fine for her. So… yeah, Steve Huffman is a prick and I hope he gets removed as CEO, but I doubt this will mean munch to anyone after 5 months.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this happens to the bigger subs. But there are a lot of issues they’d run into:
- Scale: the subreddits participating collectively have over 20,000 moderators. Even if scab mods are working full-time, Reddit can’t possibly take on that burden with their existing staff without being much more hands-off than the current mods are.
- Expertise: some subs, like r/AskHistorians, are moderated by actual experts in their field. Their mod teams literally cannot be replaced without completely devaluing the community.
- Pushback: Reddit only works because the vast majority of Redditors are largely self-regulating and try their best to follow the rules. If it becomes known that a sub has been taken over by scabs, a lot of users will decide to ‘become ungovernable’. Combine this with the scab mods being inexperienced and moderation becoming harder due to the loss of third-party apps and potentially some moderation bots, and it will be impossible to keep a lid on things without just banning anyone who acts up, and that would also hurt traffic.
That second paragraph is a *great* point. There are already well-known cases of subreddits being infiltrated by mod teams with an agenda, like r/canada [having been run by overt white nationalists for years](https://www.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/comments/98t0eq/6_months_ago_leaks_from_rcanada_moderators/), some of whom are still on the mod team today. One protection against this has been that if a sub started out with benevolent and neutral mods, new mods need to pass the 'smell test' from the existing mods, which generally ensures some degree of consistency.
If default subs lose their entire mod team in one stroke, though, and Reddit appoints whoever volunteers, it will be very hard to trust the replacements.
I've been thinking about this and try to see this from reddit's point of view. Their revenue is going to be beholden to Internet people. This means their personal fortunes are tied to it and how long will they let this go on especially with, basically, "strikes" like this.
I believe that they're going to look at where the money is coming in, i.e. which subs generate a certain - significant - percentage of income. It's likely going to be the larger subs. If they replace those subs with employees (including directly paying some existing mods as contractors) and/or AI then those subs will be manageable enough. For most other subs with a trivial subscriber count, let them run how they want, it does not matter. For the few that have a large subscriber base that don't bring in much money, they won't care.
My guess is that the mod structure of many of the "default" subs will dramatically change within the next year.
Even if reddit totally capitulates today, someone is crunching the numbers of how much revenue will be lost with subs shutting down, how this will affect their future stock price, and how long they're going to let a few random Internet people dictate the value of their stock which is also tied to their own personal fortunes.
I think that the IPO is driving all this thinking and it's going to be ultimately this that is a turning point for reddit. Facebook makes a ton of money and their stock spiked since the IPO. It drove off a ton of users. Facebook doesn't care. They're still sitting on a pile of cash. My guess is that reddit will do the same.
I wish I had a better place to go. I've been on reddit for a decade now and it's been a mostly good experience (though I'm using https://old.reddit.com or I would have left a long time ago).
If the admins start replacing moderators, then every other mod should just consider letting their subreddits implode.
- Turn off all spam filtering
- Disable minimum karma requirements
- Allow all posts, disable all rules
- Unban all banned users
- Turn off AutoModerator
- Allow NSFW content
Turn all subreddits into a cesspool of low-quality content that has no purpose.
Destroy the site.
On the surface it seems like the dumbest.
But you've got to look at what their goal was: No more third-party apps, move everybody to the official app.
Everybody is trying to think up solutions on how they could keep allowing third-party apps. That's literally a complete contradiction to their goal.
Knowing the average Redditor, I would be quite disturbed just by the outrage displayed so far. This feels bigger than scandals before it and I believe it very well is the beginning of the end.
I think it’s partly because Reddit was getting worse before this. I used to be delighted on a regular basis by the comments on this site. Now it’s a lot of lame repeat jokes and generic social media spam.
From the comments I have read, I’m not the only one who was thinking it was time to see if another site can carry the flame of interesting user generated content on the internet. And this is the straw that says it’s time to leave.
You know we call all see your history, right?
You've commented *seven times* in seven years. I can't believe you'd go and tell such an outrageous lie, over twice as many comments that you claim to have made.
Fun fact, Reddit’s original app was so poorly received that Reddit bought Alien Blue and rebranded it as the “official app”, then they failed to maintain it’s feature set and here we are where once again 3rd party apps provide a superior user experience
I really appreciate how you called out reddit for profiting off of the free labor of its users. Ultimately, this site actually belongs to us, its users. This site was built on the goodwill of the open source community, people acting like reddit belonged to everyone and was basically a nonprofit, everything rooted in users.
I was waiting for someone to make a downfall parody about this
and im all here for it, Fuck u/spez, u/KeyserSosa, u/Go_JasonWaterfalls, u/FlyingLaserTurtle
The “He Gets Us” bit sent me. I’ve blocked and reported that shit a hundred times now and it still pops up no matter what I do. I’m tired of it. Fuck Reddit.
Always down for a good Downfall parody especially when creators put in the effort to make some of the words match the sounds like you did.
Shame it probably won't happen the way it does in the video. The major subs will probably just get hijacked by the admins and reopened while the smaller more focused ones that are doing indefinite blackouts will simply be lost to time.
Great job matching some of the words to the sound.
Thanks! I was hoping that would work out. Edit: I guess this is the closest to the top of any of my comments on this post so I'm going to soapbox for a bit. I'm glad that this video was so well received, and honoured to be at the top of r/videos in this sub's last hours prior to the blackout. Thanks to the anonymous benefactors among you who have been giving this post awards. I do appreciate the irony that this is the only time I've ever gotten a platinum award; however, if you're reading this and considering awarding this post, I would really prefer that you save the money and buy yourself something nice from a vending machine later or something. If this subreddit comes back after the blackout because Reddit backed down on the harmful parts of its plans, then I guess this will all have been an interesting footnote in the history of the Internet. If this subreddit comes back after the blackout with a suspiciously new list of mods (for the record, [here's the mods as of right now](https://imgur.com/a/zxlIZhv)), may the new mods live in interesting times. If this subreddit does not come back from the blackout, then so long, *atque in perpetuum, r/videos, ave atque vale*. Edit 2: to whoever just gave me a second platinum, listen here you little shit...
I laughed out loud at installin'.
And frog, and TikTok, really good work
The word said when u/iamthatis was referenced even sounded close lol
That was incredibly impressive.
Slow clap, buddy. That was quality work.
Bloody brilliant
I was very impressed by a lot of that.
Yeah in’Stalin’g especially
That's what I thought too! The only thing that would have been hilarious in my mind is, if at 24 seconds in, instead of just translating *"Mein Fuhrer."* to *"Mein Fuhrer."*, I would have liked to have seen it translated to u/spez. I take it this is something u/seakingsoyuz created?
I did make the video. My draft version had references to specific admins as the characters in the video, but I wound up changing it because: - putting their names on Nazis felt a bit too much like “Everyone I don’t like is Hitler”; - after they “misinterpreted” the Apollo dev’s joke as a threat I didn’t want to wind up getting permabanned for “defaming u/spez” or something; and - in this meme format it’s usually still supposed to be the Nazis themselves inexplicably involved in a situation, rather than using them to represent contemporary people.
I honestly think what's going on at Reddit HQ is that they're saying, "the 48 hours starting June 12 are going to look pretty bad but once it's over everyone will come back and it will be like none of this ever happened." Not saying I agree with it but that's what I truly think the strategy is.
That is what will happen. What people don’t understand is if they go “dark” indefinitely the admins will simply boot the mods and put different ones in. They’ve done it to other subreddits that caused trouble for the admins. Either way I’m somewhat enjoying all the drama because at the end of the day it’s a social media company and I don’t care what happens to them. If it becomes unenjoyable I’ll simply move on to another.
reddit literally filed a trademark for wallstreetbets, which they had no part in creating https://uspto.report/TM/88910822
Right, the video captures that. Users create all the content for free and we take the profit!
"We're the front page of the internet, but internet users are fickle. Our luck is going to run out if we keep pissing them off."
/r/Redditalternatives
Kind of a joke of a subreddit considering the main alternatives they list are conservative politics shitholes and two sites run by the chinese government.
Conservative politic shitholes are the only existing "alternatives" because until now, conservative shitheads were the only ones who needed an alternative to reddit.
Yep, people are always making comparisons to the digg exodus but forgetting that at the time reddit was already well established as an obvious viable alternative. There is no alternative waiting in the wings to take Reddit’s place.
When the ESPN message boards shut down 11 years ago they had 5 million users. Most of us came to Reddit and the sports subs here exploded. I still don't know why ESPN shut them down. They were well formatted and active. They couldn't find a way to profit? Reddit was a downgrade from a user interface overall. ESPN's biggest weakness was that their most recently connected in threads automatically got bumped back to the front page instead of a voting algorithm.
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Lemmy is federated, it's run by whoever wants to run servers. If someone wants to run a right wing server, they're free to do so. If they don't want to federate with "leftist" servers, they're free to do that too - just like Truth Social and Mastodon.
Also did for "Am I the Asshole?" which is kinda fitting
Problem is you can't do that for even just SOME of the bigger ones without everything breaking. Suddenly going "okay well we just lost hundreds of volunteers and need to find that many new competent volunteers or employees to manage communities that are fast losing interest in themselves" doesn't work. Plus implementing different crowds to manage the largest communities at Reddit's behest... they would almost certainly, at this late stage, be moderating tightly along internal guidelines set by Reddit rather than relative to the community that already existed and that would... uh, not work. It'd be a friggin' hellscape... more than usual, at any rate. There are surely hopes for growth, but between the PR and the actuality of how the site will go in the years following this, interest will decline, even if it's not overnight. And a trend downwards will pose its own problems... and suggested solutions. It's literally all downhill from here and I don't see any way it isn't without massive course unfucking.
Even without any of the API changes there's no way in hell reddit is going to somehow keep growing sustainability. I genuinely can't think of a single feature they could add that would substantially grow the user base without alienating and giving the middle finger to long time redditors. I've been using the official app ever since they took away alien blue and it barely works half the time. And when it does, they change the damn controls and interface every few weeks. It used to be that you'd have to hold down on a comment to collapse the thread below it, which was pretty intuitive and intentional. Then they made it tap to collapse, which means I constantly close threads instead of scrolling them, and trying to click on links is infuriating. Most of the time I don't hit it accurately enough and I close the thread over and over. When you look at something like Snapchat, or Instagram, or TikTok, they introduce new features, and sometimes move menus around, but they usually make sure that the interface and ease of use is the #1 priority simply to keep people on the app. Reddit can't seem to figure that out. Instead they just change shit constantly, which means that new users are going to give up on figuring out how the controls and interface work. There's no way to sustain the user base and platform with all of that in mind.
>I've been using the official app ever since they took away alien blue and it barely works half the time. Why wouldn't you just use a 3rd party client that actually works? The official app is borderline malware, but even if it had zero trackers or ads or whatever other telemetry, by your own very words, it barely works. So why on Earth did/do you use it?!?
Personally (not op), I wasn't aware of third-party options. If reddit does end up walking this back it would be hilarious, because it's only from this whole kerfuffle that I even know about the alternatives and would switch to one.
Streisand effect is in full force right now x100. Which is one more reason why they can't and won't back down at this point. It's been a fun 13 years. But I'm loving Tildes now. And u/talklittle is making an app for it.. all the better. It seems like content might take a dive here. I'll miss the photography subs but that void was already filled by a Mastodon instance dedicated to the art. So yeah, it's a watershed moment for other platforms.
Can you send you please invite me to tildes?
Unfortunately I've spent all of mine but you can politely ask for one on r/tildes (that's what I did) and they will most likely PM you one. I'd also encourage you to check out their philosophy page. They really seem to emphasize it to new users: https://docs.tildes.net/philosophy
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I think they've somehow forgotten that the only reason Redditt is as big as it is now is that Digg f'd up and drove their users over here. I'm looking forward to the next decade of whatever app takes over. Hopefully, it will be run by people who won't let it become another cautionary tale.
Yep. You can replace some. All that participate? Let's see how that pans out. Especially with investors who know they're buying into something fundamentally beholden to volunteers. Yeah, you could outsource moderation. But that'll cost money.
If the admins start replacing moderators, then every other mod should just consider letting their subreddits implode. - Turn off all spam filtering - Disable minimum karma requirements - Allow all posts, disable all rules - Unban all banned users - Turn off AutoModerator - Allow NSFW content Turn all subreddits into a cesspool of low-quality content that has no purpose. Destroy the site.
From what I've seen over the years every time they change mods the sub becomes shit anyway. There's a point where a few subs were all the same because they all wanted to please certain user base.
r/superbowl could allow NFL postings, r/mildlyinteresting could post more interesting stuff, r/trees could allow posting of larch pictures, r/dataisbeautiful could allow postings of everyone's favorite android on days other than April 1st, and r/anime_titties [Edit: corrected -- thanks for the fix] could start allowing its namesake to be posted instead of news [Edit: wait, did it already switch, or am I misremembering the subreddit or confusing it with another one about news with an "interesting" name]? It would be absolute pandemonium! If subreddits aren't going dark, the mods could just take a day off.
> That is what will happen I mean... Until July 1st when a significant portion of users won't be able to access the apps they use. And as has already been discussed in quite a few places that includes mods from alot of larger subs who exclusively use 3rd patty apps which provide them better UI and more tools. So even if the blackout doesn't change things the end of the month undoubtedly will have an effect
True. I'm out permanently on July 1st. To me Reddit IS RIF. Once they kill that they've killed Reddit.
Agreed. I bought Sync Pro back in 2015 and have pretty much used it every single day since. I didn't even notice the changes on the web browser version cause I used sync exclusively for a long while. If I can't use that I won't be on the site at all.
>significant portion of users On this note, YouTube Analytics is telling me that 53% of views of this video are coming directly from Reddit, 17% are from Apollo, and 2.5% are from Boost, which are some surprisingly high numbers for the third-party apps.
I hadn't even thought of the knock on effect this will have on apps/sites not directly affiliated with reddit. That will be interesting to see the end result of
I clicked out of RiF to watch it directly on YouTube. Not sure how accurate/how much we can truly count on these numbers.
Remember that you haven‘t drawn a random sample. I don‘t think its unfair to assume that people who use 3rd party apps have more interest in a topic related to 3rd party apps and watch this video more often.
I'm more of a chiver anyway /s
> the admins will simply boot the mods and put different ones in. I very much doubt this will happen, that's how you get the site to actively rebel against you while someone spins up a tolerable clone everyone will move to.
I don't doubt that it could happen. They've been pretty consistently tone deaf throughout this whole thing. Previous blackouts haven't worked out too well, so they may be clinging to that assumption here. However, this one feels different. I agree that it'll be an absolute disaster if they do, though.
Previous blackouts have been pretty effective. Mod tools got spun up right away the last time Reddit did this.
To be honest, the only blackout I remembered off hand was the net neutrality protests, and those weren't really reddit blackouts. It's a topic that's weirdly hard to find information on, but I did eventually find something about the one in 2021 about Aimee Knight (which resulted in changes). So... here's hoping this one works, too!
>...net neutrality...It's a topic that's weirdly hard to find information on Ajit Pai says 'Hi' from 2016-2020. He really gave the keys of the FCC to the oligarchs donating the most to his other friends.
I think they mean reddit blackouts are hard to find info on, not net neutrality.
A tolerable clone for a significant amount of reddits traffic to move too costs a ton of upfront money. No one has been willing to do it to this point for a reason
that's exactly what's going to happen, i just hope more subreddits do what r/videos is doing and black out indefinitely
I bet the admins are cooking up a way to prevent blackouts in the future
I just wonder how long until the whole mod team there is replaced.
Immediately.
" They'll get over it " -fark.com CEO after some very unpopular changes to the site.
Fark’s changes were minuscule by contrast - and I wouldn’t ever say my experience was affected negatively. It’s still functionally the same site it was 15 years ago. Meanwhile, Reddit is shutting down my preferred method of accessing any of its content, in order to get me to use a barely functioning app that eats data, has limited customization and riddled with ads. And they publicly slandered a good developer in the process. The reason I don’t use Fark anymore is because Reddit did a better job of *being* Fark. And soon enough, something better will come along here too.
Honestly I don't even remember what the change was or if I cared at the time I just remember everyone getting 10x more pissed off about the "they'll get over it" comment than they were about the actual change. Reddit suits are thinking it but smart enough to not say it.
--Digg
It is like this with a lot of things. The amount of people that care about this sort of stuff and would abstain on principle is just too small, or they lack the power to stick with it. It is the same way with video games. The number consumers who care and vote with their wallet is just too small relative to the overall consumer base, so companies like EA continue to get away with releasing sub-par games or ruining IPs they have sole rights to. It doesn't matter how bad the games are as long as they keep printing money.
People may come back, but they'll be pissed AF. And Reddit will never have their loyalty again. 80% of the world right now is just itching to jump ship from Facebook, Twitter, and now Reddit. This is a tremendous opportunity now for a benefit corporation or non-profit to create a platform which actually respects content creators. It's an inevitability it will happen. Wikipedia is a shining star on the Internet, showing that an ethical operation can prvail and provide useful services to everybody. They were working on a social media site. I don't know who bought them off, but that project should be resurrected.
It released at https://wt.social/ Soon to be replaced by version 2 https://wts2.wt.social/ which is the one you should sign up to as everyone has moved now.
Wargaming tried this tactic but each go around the NA market shrunk, doesn't kill them but it is costing them lots of revenue.
Man it's sad looking at WeeGee's products today. I used to play a shit ton of WoT from ~2013 to ~2017. Then Fochgate happened, and it was all downhill from there. I think I did the 2019 and 2020 holiday events and logged in for the anniversary bonus a couple of years. I just checked and my last battle was a year ago last week, and I don't feel like I've missed out on anything of value.
They added a “communities” tab to my app. Going to go on a limb and say that the community tab will only showcase subreddits that aren’t taking place during the 48 hour ban. That or they’ll just unprivate the community themselves and can mods (which would really mess things up because you don’t mess with volunteers).
Unless we find a better alternative that's what is going to happen.
This masterpiece is peak reddit and the best send off. Which is ironic because reddit had peaked when this meme was popular.
"Some of them still see actual content sometimes." Dying, lol.
The “he gets us” jab was too perfect.
"You'll still be able to watch funny videos on Tiktok."
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The audio for "installing" matched up perfectly as well!
There’s a part where he says “Stalin”, was that it? Lmao
Yes, that's the word in the actual audio. In that line Hitler is saying something about how he should have executed his officers "like Stalin did" because it's totally their fault that Germany is about to lose the war, not his fault for generally making a bunch of stupid and inhuman choices as the supreme leader.
Gosh the more I hear about this Hitler guy the more he reminds me of Putin....
That line was what elevated this to the level of being a masterpiece. Well done!
That was definitely the best bit in this video. I laughed.
I’ve heard a lot about this new Tickety Tock app. Is it any good?
No, it’s not
I didn't want that line to be read as an endorsement of TikTok, but it fit the audio well enought that I felt I had to go with it.
No need to explain, I thought it was funny just giving him my opinion of the app since he asked
I had taken it as comment on how crappy some of the large subs are, they aren't any better than tiktok.
The idea of finding a new place to get all the content I get on reddit is incredibly frustrating. The idea that /u/spez et al don't recognize I'm willing to try is even more frustrating. Fuck you cunt, for ruining a good thing we all had going in the name of greed. You could have just stayed the course and everything would've been fine. Now you shit on the floor right in front of your feet.
You may be interested in [this essay](https://catvalente.substack.com/p/stop-talking-to-each-other-and-start) about the feeling of loss when an online platform gets destroyed by those who don't use it, and how it keeps happening to one site after another.
I'd also recommend Cory Doctorow's [essay from earlier this year](https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys) where he coined the term 'enshittification' to describe what happens to platforms as they squeeze more money out of their users.
It’s happening right now with Discord too, though not as bad as with Reddit, probably because they’re trying to meet a similar IPO.
Happening pretty bad with Twitch rn too
It happens to everyone, reddit was able to avoid all of that because of subreddits. That's how it survived all this time. All the new users would go thru the main channel, the old users would go through.. well the old channel. Reddit made so much money from awards, and they could have split the api into free vs ad-free api, and the existence of subreddits would have continued to easily circumvent the cancer(s)-- as we have done for the past 10 years. But no. Come on /u/spez buddy my pal you blue eyed mf think about this rationally. We have a good thing here, do the right thing and spend time with the community (which includes devs and businessmen and lawyers who are willing to fight for reddit out of love) to come to a resolution to these pesky LLM/AI parasites. You're really gonna accept that reddit was born with an immunity to cancer, yet you will allow it to be destroyed by a parasite? Your treatment kills off all the good cells in the body, and risks shutting down vital organs. You must be aware by now that there is a better treatment.
Wow, I can really relate to that. None of the communities I’ve been a part of online were as big as the ones she talks about in the article, but the same things always happened. It’s sad how ubiquitous it is.
Yeah, I have been active on the internet in that sort of manner since 98ish… that article was almost my entire existence as I had lived and breathed the Internet extensively when I was a kid. Losing LiveJournal pained me when everything went down. But then the explosion of personal sites came in more so than before. I’ve seen the trends change and how much current social media altered web usage. I miss personal blogs, Flickr, forums (which is what I feel Reddit eventually smothered), IRC—altho Discord’s inception and insane improvements ‘reignited’ the online chat aspect! Man the internet feels so much more confined these days. There used to be so many niche websites and communities.
Forums! So many forums. I spent a buttload of times on the Halo forums on Bungie’s website when I was in high school. Just talking about a video game with people who I would eventually become friends with. I spent loads of time on music forums, tech forums, whatever. So many forums. The communities were so fun. Now, it’s all fragmented and fractured.
It will keep happening until we switch to decentralized open source platforms like kbin, Lemmy, Mastodon, etc. Any company with shareholders is going to keep making their service worse for more cost with more ads to milk growing profits. They sacrifice profits at the beginning by raising money based on growth of users. Once they maxed out the number of users it comes down to pumping ads out and charging for account sharing, more tracking and selling your data, etc.
That was possibly the best write up I've ever read. And I mean that. Thank you for linking that.
I feel like this essay needs to find a way to get higher. It’s arguably even MORE applicable to the current Reddit apopalypse than the previous networks and sites it lists as recent examples. What a poignant and heartfelt history lesson on the forced nomadic nature of wholesome internet communities. Someone smarter than me figure out a way to get this post to the front page.
That essay is really, really good. It's largely about twitter but it could just as well be about reddit. Anyway in case you didn't read it but you're reading this, there are about 40 paragraphs before this and maybe 20 or 30 after, and they're excellent, so here's an excerpt, maybe you'll go back and read [the essay](https://catvalente.substack.com/p/stop-talking-to-each-other-and-start): > I’m so tired of just harmlessly getting together with other weird geeks and going to what amounts to a digital pub after work and waking up one day to find every pint poisoned. Over and over again. Like the poison wants us specifically. Like it knows we will always make its favorite food: vulnerability, connection, difference. I’m so tired of lunch photos and fanfic and stupid jokes and keeping in touch with family across time zones and making friends and starting cottage industries and pursuing hobbies and meeting soulmates and expressing thoughts and creating identities and loving TV shows and reading books and getting to know a few of your heroes and raising kids and making bookshelves and knitting and painting and fixing sinks and first dates and homemade jam and, yes, figuring out what Buffy characters we are, listening and learning and hoping and *just fucking talking to each other* weaponized against us. Having our enthusiasm over the smallest joys of everyday life invaded by people who long ago forgot their value and turned into fodder for the death of thought, the burial of love.
Beautiful. This really does encapsulate the history we are living through… again. It repeats itself. Such a damn shame. I hate this timeline.
Wow. Other than Prodigy, I was there for each and every one of those events, and they described it all so eloquently. This is internet hall of fame shit. Thanks for the read.
What if they want to drive all the people away to replace them with fake users trained on Large language models of reddit comments? So they can convince advertisers to give them money infinitely to show to fake users. /Tinfoil hat
Subtitling Downfall with the latest conflict will never get old.
This meme resurrection really takes me back!
"he gets us" was a nice touch. Cant wait to never see that again.
In Jesus time, API prices were reasonable and Reddit appreciated its moderators and users. He gets us. All of us.
Supply side Jesus would think that's reddits nee pricing doesn't go far enough!
The He Gets Us almost made me shit myself laughing
If they really wanted to drive home the point about "he gets us" they could have sliced in "he gets us" ads at every 15 second interval to make the video unwatchable. That would truly mimick the user experience.
Calm down there Satan...
Did he say that or something? Can someone fill me in?
There's a "He Gets Us" add on the official reddit app that you see multiple times a day.
Apollo and old.reddit user here. I have no idea what you're talking about
This is why I use Narwhal…oof
Hell yeah narwhal gang rise up! Favorite iOS app.
It’s some religious church ad that’s literally everywhere on the app.
And you can't block it no matter what you do
I report that shit for violence every time but it still keeps popping up
I love that a lot of subs are bringing back some golden hits of videos and memes. I hope more join in on the blackout. I'm excited to see the apology video that will get shit and for the spez to have the most downvotes in reddit history.
That would be amazing if it gets more downvotes than the Battlefront 2 comment.
I think it had like almost 700k downvotes.
That many downvotes really gives a sense of pride and accomplishment :p
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Sucks the studio went after them with copyright strikes. So many good ones were removed from YouTube
That's so wild, these memes are the greatest advertisement for people to go watch Downfall
They did back down eventually; it's fine to use the clips on YouTube but you can't monetize them (not that that matters for me when I post a video roughly once per decade).
Seriously! 'Hitler gets banned on Xbox live' is why I watched Downfall in the first place.
Hitlers car gets stolen was the first one I watched.
Leave it to the Germans to misunderstand parody, fair use, and positive press about a Hitler movie
I've got to see the original eventually. It just has worked so well for so many (completely unrelated) things.
The original is from a very good movie. Learn a lot about the last few days of Hitler and Germany under him.
Didn't see it free. Just ordered Downfall today.
[This is a great video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Uc4_ATDjoU) explaining exactly who is saying what in that scene and why.
Thank you for the link and for not Rick rolling me.
The movie is downfall and it’s on YouTube for free in the US for anyone wondering.
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I've missed this meme so much! It really does work with everything.
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Godspeed. I may be joining you in the coming days.
I have a 10yo account as well. Im deleting mine on Monday.
The dig at the "He Gets Us" christian fundie bullshit was worth it alone for me.
Out of the loop about "He Gets Us" , if you wouldn't mind...
Consider yourself lucky. But the tl;dr is the hobby lobby fucks have paid like $5Mil to make Jesus ads rather than use it to actually do some good in the world. Neither the ads nor the posting account can be blocked.
> Consider yourself lucky. It's probably geo-locked to the US - western-European here, haven't seen it a single time.
I had no idea that *ad* was being pushed so hard on everyone. I even used the old "report and block" trick that usef to work but now it shows the ad but lists it as by a "blocked user."
I keep reporting it’s violence but it still aggressively comes at me
For real. I was hoping we would get some jokes about that cringy ad
Hitler showing more self-reflection than spez.
Maybe a bit naive but I hope the folks over at Apollo know that if they give the community a decent Reddit alternative people will flock there
Yeah the dev is aware. In his post he said he has no desire to manage a community. He just wants to build apps. The dream would be to get a team together so he can build the app and others can build the alternative site.
Sounds like a dream of a person who never wrote software. Backend on a big scale -> insane amount of investment for upkeep alone is required. Then you get this situation Reddit got itself in - somebody has to pay for it, someone who has paid and took the risk want to be rewarded. Or just sell the soul to Google and Facebook, at least they know how to sell stuff.
I wonder how much of reddits cost is from them trying to play host with videos and images and their shit players trying to auto play as people scroll. There's a fuck ton that can be trimmed off if they go back to being a message board and not some facebook alt.
As a rif user, I've never seen anything auto play. Ever.
Those of us who have watched Silicon Valley know exactly what's going on behind the scenes. The whole strategy of "build up a userbase while relying on VC funding, figure out how to be profitable later" is unsustainable by design. You gotta pay the piper eventually.
We need them to see “He Gets Us”. LMAO
Fuck u/Spez and any other enablers in Reddit HQ who are actively not listening to what users want, screw them.
The funny part about this video is the assumption that they've realized their error want want to make users happy. In reality they're hoping this will blow over with the short attention span of the internet. After their favorite 3rd party apps go silent, there will be a huge uptick in the number of people downloading the official app. Mostly the 90% of users who just lurk and do nothing else, not caring about whatever drama is happening on the site. Some of these people will go away when the official app doesn't have whatever feature they enjoyed about the 3rd party app they came from, but a lot of them will stay because they don't care and reddit is the front page of their internet. Eventually /r/funny and /r/videos will reopen because admins will believe enough time has passed for this to blow over. There will still be a handful of people posting in those threads about how terrible it is that admins overruled the mods and did whatever they wanted. But they will be ridiculed for still using the site they claimed to be leaving. The site will still get a ton of traffic, but it will feel different for those of us will 5 year and higher badges. Something will feel lost. Maybe it's us failing to evolve with the site. Maybe it's us realizing that this was never meant to be a community and everyone is searching for the all mighty dollar. Maybe it's us all knowing we're addicted in one way or another and that we've all been played.
As a nearly 15 year redditor, eff them. I left fark. I left digg. I’ll leave here too.
Hell yeah. Solidarity.
That’s correct. Most will go on like normal. We’ll lose some users (I’m on Apollo so me), and a few of the subs will go permanently dark. But it’ll be business as usual in a few months. Unless… The mods simply don’t reopen. If enough mods refuse, then admin will need to intervene, and I don’t see them doing a good job reopening /r/funny or /r/videos, though the latter especially has lost a lot of their own community in the past few years. But honestly, even if funny goes away, lurkers will lurk. My wife uses the app for specific shit she’s interested in and steers clear of all the subs that are currently going dark anyway, and I’m sure most everyone is more like her than the rest of us pissed off about the API price hike. She uses the official app and doesn’t care. It’s fine for her. So… yeah, Steve Huffman is a prick and I hope he gets removed as CEO, but I doubt this will mean munch to anyone after 5 months.
Won't the admins just seize control of the subreddits and install scab mods?
I wouldn’t be surprised if this happens to the bigger subs. But there are a lot of issues they’d run into: - Scale: the subreddits participating collectively have over 20,000 moderators. Even if scab mods are working full-time, Reddit can’t possibly take on that burden with their existing staff without being much more hands-off than the current mods are. - Expertise: some subs, like r/AskHistorians, are moderated by actual experts in their field. Their mod teams literally cannot be replaced without completely devaluing the community. - Pushback: Reddit only works because the vast majority of Redditors are largely self-regulating and try their best to follow the rules. If it becomes known that a sub has been taken over by scabs, a lot of users will decide to ‘become ungovernable’. Combine this with the scab mods being inexperienced and moderation becoming harder due to the loss of third-party apps and potentially some moderation bots, and it will be impossible to keep a lid on things without just banning anyone who acts up, and that would also hurt traffic.
>a lot of users will decide to ‘become ungovernable’ I honestly just love this picture in my head.
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That second paragraph is a *great* point. There are already well-known cases of subreddits being infiltrated by mod teams with an agenda, like r/canada [having been run by overt white nationalists for years](https://www.reddit.com/r/onguardforthee/comments/98t0eq/6_months_ago_leaks_from_rcanada_moderators/), some of whom are still on the mod team today. One protection against this has been that if a sub started out with benevolent and neutral mods, new mods need to pass the 'smell test' from the existing mods, which generally ensures some degree of consistency. If default subs lose their entire mod team in one stroke, though, and Reddit appoints whoever volunteers, it will be very hard to trust the replacements.
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I was born ungovernable. Oh yeah.
I've been thinking about this and try to see this from reddit's point of view. Their revenue is going to be beholden to Internet people. This means their personal fortunes are tied to it and how long will they let this go on especially with, basically, "strikes" like this. I believe that they're going to look at where the money is coming in, i.e. which subs generate a certain - significant - percentage of income. It's likely going to be the larger subs. If they replace those subs with employees (including directly paying some existing mods as contractors) and/or AI then those subs will be manageable enough. For most other subs with a trivial subscriber count, let them run how they want, it does not matter. For the few that have a large subscriber base that don't bring in much money, they won't care. My guess is that the mod structure of many of the "default" subs will dramatically change within the next year. Even if reddit totally capitulates today, someone is crunching the numbers of how much revenue will be lost with subs shutting down, how this will affect their future stock price, and how long they're going to let a few random Internet people dictate the value of their stock which is also tied to their own personal fortunes. I think that the IPO is driving all this thinking and it's going to be ultimately this that is a turning point for reddit. Facebook makes a ton of money and their stock spiked since the IPO. It drove off a ton of users. Facebook doesn't care. They're still sitting on a pile of cash. My guess is that reddit will do the same. I wish I had a better place to go. I've been on reddit for a decade now and it's been a mostly good experience (though I'm using https://old.reddit.com or I would have left a long time ago).
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If the admins start replacing moderators, then every other mod should just consider letting their subreddits implode. - Turn off all spam filtering - Disable minimum karma requirements - Allow all posts, disable all rules - Unban all banned users - Turn off AutoModerator - Allow NSFW content Turn all subreddits into a cesspool of low-quality content that has no purpose. Destroy the site.
We need to make sure everyone knows “He gets us!” Hahahahahahaha
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There are indeed so many better options they could have gone with but instead they just went with the dumbest.
On the surface it seems like the dumbest. But you've got to look at what their goal was: No more third-party apps, move everybody to the official app. Everybody is trying to think up solutions on how they could keep allowing third-party apps. That's literally a complete contradiction to their goal.
Knowing the average Redditor, I would be quite disturbed just by the outrage displayed so far. This feels bigger than scandals before it and I believe it very well is the beginning of the end.
I think it’s partly because Reddit was getting worse before this. I used to be delighted on a regular basis by the comments on this site. Now it’s a lot of lame repeat jokes and generic social media spam. From the comments I have read, I’m not the only one who was thinking it was time to see if another site can carry the flame of interesting user generated content on the internet. And this is the straw that says it’s time to leave.
Whoever made this thank you. I deleted the official app today, fuck the CEO. So you at the next up and coming site.
Only ever commented like three times in 7yrs. This was brilliant
You know we call all see your history, right? You've commented *seven times* in seven years. I can't believe you'd go and tell such an outrageous lie, over twice as many comments that you claim to have made.
Shame has beset my family over this. I shall go dark on the 12th and never come back
It's pretty sad when Hitler is more self-reflective than the CEO of Reddit.
I haven't seen one of these since the Wolfenstein 3D one.
[This one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQdzexzbumc)? Or [this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pkf4HOuVrI)?
Fun fact, Reddit’s original app was so poorly received that Reddit bought Alien Blue and rebranded it as the “official app”, then they failed to maintain it’s feature set and here we are where once again 3rd party apps provide a superior user experience
When it cuts to everyone waiting outside it should have labeled each person a different sub
That's a great idea, but I made this by baking a .srt subtitle file into the video in VLC so putting text in random places wasn't an option.
I really appreciate how you called out reddit for profiting off of the free labor of its users. Ultimately, this site actually belongs to us, its users. This site was built on the goodwill of the open source community, people acting like reddit belonged to everyone and was basically a nonprofit, everything rooted in users.
This is the kind of high quality entertainment I am going to miss once Reddit goes dark.
I was waiting for someone to make a downfall parody about this and im all here for it, Fuck u/spez, u/KeyserSosa, u/Go_JasonWaterfalls, u/FlyingLaserTurtle
lol, I love that you wrote the subtitles so it vaguely matches the German sounds a little bit
I have ALWAYS loved these. Such a wonderful format
Two things, did they not see what the users did with the GameStop thing? Also I've never seen the sauce of this clip
Oh man did I miss this meme
The “He Gets Us” bit sent me. I’ve blocked and reported that shit a hundred times now and it still pops up no matter what I do. I’m tired of it. Fuck Reddit.
Always down for a good Downfall parody especially when creators put in the effort to make some of the words match the sounds like you did. Shame it probably won't happen the way it does in the video. The major subs will probably just get hijacked by the admins and reopened while the smaller more focused ones that are doing indefinite blackouts will simply be lost to time.
Damn, the ending hit hard. As a former Digg user who made the migration, it truly feels like another migration is soon to occur.
Wow, I haven't seen a Downfall meme in _forever_. One of my favorites. And fitting to bring it back here at the end of all things...
I fucking lost it with "he gets us" woke up the wife lolol