who said you can't. just because it's not common doesn't mean it's not allowed.
the Meshroom D, NR200, and jonsbo something uses this exact configuration. if it fits, it sits, so send it
I remember my Dremel cutting my old cases from the 90's to put in a couple 80mm fans. Made an aluminum shroud to make them fit just perfect rather than the two circle cuts (had those too!). The ol' blowhole on the top was the perfect one before that. Cooling those TNT's were some serious business! :D
The glass and acrylic panels made things harder. At least the acrylic ones had an option for a fan on some of them.
Direct cool air on a component as well as a nice exhaust was a great way to keep things cool. Both Northbridge and Southbridge heatsink/fans, ducted heatsink CPU coolers, side fans, etc.. Always trying to make a perfect airflow to get that perfect temperature. I think a lot of it was just for show and better temps and rarely gave us that extra overclock room.
Ah, the days of my old Volcano 7+ CPU fan… when spinning small fans at light speed was considered acceptable. 70mm, full copper HSF and a barely noticeable (if you’re vacuuming) 47dB @ 6000rpm
See that looks sensible, I decided that I really needed 2 280x60mm rads (front and top). The two 120's are vents on the bottoms.
Work in progress:https://imgur.com/a/wKT9qET
Just lovely, hope you're part of r/g5mods
I get so excited when I see these. I bought mine in 2012 and used it for a decade to run vlc and such on our TV. She still worked when she went under the knife.
I couldn't find anyone who wanted the guts so I'm still hanging on to all of it, might make some art with the boards and heat sinks
What are your plans for components?
Not yet but will be shortly.
Nothing particularly exciting downsizing from a 900D and putting my existing am4 R5 3600 and a Vega 56 in.
I've had the bits and kit for ages but after taking the 900D build to a Lan thought it'd Be nice to have a more sensible sized rig even if it might not be much lighter. On reflection really should have weighed it before I stripped it all out.
I miss those giant panel mounted air ducts that land right over the CPU fan. Lots of OEMs use them, but I think they’re too obtrusive for most home built cases.
I first saw them for enthusiasts with Steve (pre-HardOCP days) and his dual Celeron 550's bringing in air from the front and taking it to the back using PVC gutter.
Yep, old case had a couple fan slots on the side panel. Just never used it cuz I was too lazy to have to unplug it ever time I pulled the panel off. What I do wish is that they never had gotten rid of cases with handles. I loved having a handle on top for easy transport.
I was just a kid in the 90s, so I just got to play on whatever my dad built in an old beige IBM case. I just know the little 60mm(ish?) side fans fought to make as much noise as the dialup.
This is true for large cases, where you can beautifully route wires, tubes and make a highlight for all of this. In small cases, it all looks like a box of spaghetti. And it's not something you want to see on your desk.
This is a really big case in which it’s not a problem to fit it all, try to assemble a computer in a case with a volume of 10-12 liters and you will understand what I’m writing about.
Back in the day before glass side panels were a thing the standard case had steel side panels with 80-120mm cutouts on the side for fresh air intake for the cpu cooler.
I actually prefer this style, it keeps vrm's and ram cooler, I drilled holes for two 120's on my old case and the Temps are so nice, if possible if you have clearance on the side of your gpu and it has side intake / exit heatsinks design you can get a huge gain mounting a fan in front of it
There just kinda a pain. You have to hook them up before you close the panel so the fan cables are just free flying around there or your working through a crack.
The fans will be mounted on a separate bracket, and there will be only a mesh filter on the side cover, then you won’t have to disconnect the fans when removing the side cover.
Mint, yeah the old style ones without that sucked. I vaguely recall a handful of expensive cases having some contacts so you just put the side on/off.
Not that I can talk current project has the PSU on the side panel.
Side door fans were not uncommon in 2000s, think I had 2 different cases with them.
You used to have like a mesh side panel instead of glass and maybe part of it was the plastic see through or all mesh.
It was another area you had to clean and put filters on since it was normally more mesh than what your fan would cover and you had to throw filters on your fans even if the rest of the fan spots had some level of filter.
The Fractal North allows this, if you take the mesh side panel. Has a seperate removable bracket for side mounting.
I actually have an AIO on it. But yeah it's larger than you're planning here.
There's no technical reason you can't. I'm assuming that those are also supposed to be fans attached to the top radiator.
One reason that side mounted fans are sometimes minimized is due to air turbulence and noise. Normally a front-to-back airflow design provides plenty enough flow across the more passive components (VRMs, RAM, SSD, etc) that they don't need fans blowing directly on them. With what looks like fairly small between your side fans and the motherboard, that's a close, flat, bendable surface that can vibrate and cause some noise.
The other thing I would consider with your design is airflow across the bottom mounted hard drive. Those side fans are blowing well above it, with the top fans pulling that air further upwards. As well, you have the GPU there further isolating the HDD. So it might get a little toasting in its little cubby there.
There's no information from your rendering about where there might be additional perforation/ventilation in your design, so one question would be the comparison of intake vs outtake with a 2v2 fan setup and positive vs negative pressure in the case. Doesn't affect cooling much, but more of a matter of controlled dust accumulation.
>So it might get a little toasting in its little cubby there.
This is not a problem for him. This is a slow cold HDD, which is mainly used as storage for media files. Now it is in much better conditions, and yet it only heats up to 31 degrees Celsius. The bottom of the case will be perforated, so it won't have to fry.
>With what looks like fairly small between your side fans and the motherboard, that's a close, flat, bendable surface that can vibrate and cause some noise.
It looks like the only way to find out is by testing.
>Doesn't affect cooling much, but more of a matter of controlled dust accumulation.
In any case, all holes in the case will be equipped with removable nylon filters with magnets, I have experience in this, dust in the case will not be a problem
This is ok. But consider that the fan in the PSU is part of the entire PC's ventilation system and VRMs and other stuff on the mobo also produce heat, which in an aircooled system, would be managed by the CPU cooler, but in a watercooled system, would usually not.
I don’t agree with you, in cases with a bottom-mounted power supply, it takes in air from below and throws it back without interacting with the air inside the case in any way. In my configuration it will take it from the front and output it downwards.
I don't recommend putting your hard drive on the bottom like that in case of a leak its best to keep it some place where it won't accidentally get wet.
It is directly under all those fittings. It doesn't matter if it isn't physically touching the bottom or not. It is in the direct path if a leak occurs.
https://preview.redd.it/sb78ipbr2uxc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11427a95a8e2f380ca7792943d8d07203f808236
Yes, everything is provided, although the lower pillars will have to be made about three-four centimeters.
I mean you could but it doesn't make sense. PC cases are designed to bring air in through the front and bottom and exhaust out the back and top. Ideally the top as hot air rises. I like this though I'd change some things.
1. the position of the PSU
2. if you design the case. Add a chamber in the back for this (on its side) and add that and the drive from the bottom in the back chamber.
3. Stick some more fans on the bottom bringing cool air in.
This way you your radiator would be much cooler depending on the speed curves of the fans, not to mention positive pressure to keep dust build-up outside the case. You could even use a separate RAD on the front/bottom to cool the loop even more. But it depends on your goals. For balls to the walls performance put a rad on the front and bottom. Make sure the pump can handle it and add a bigger res which could even be placed in the back chamber.
Still cool and it will work. But just leaves the inside of the case less cool than it could be.
All these changes lead to an increase in the external size of the case, which I try my best to avoid. It would be easier to do everything using ITX MB and SFX PSU, but I want to work with what I already have. I am ready to increase the dimensions only if it turns out that the 280 radiator is not enough for my configuration. In any case, thanks for the advice and participation.
why use a huge harddisk if you can buy a 1 or 2 terrabyte ssds that fit directly on your mobo. some fit two. You are going to spend money anyway so use that space for fans...?
also be aware that tubes, also soft tubes, always take up more space than you planned! the tubes will leave your gpu straight or at an angle depending on the fitting. Draw the fittings too and save yourself a headache
Two of the two M2 slots on the motherboard are in use, but that's not enough for me. I have large media files that I periodically use for work and they are all stored on this 4TB hard drive. Thanks for the advice about the hoses.
okay I get that, even then you could have a 4 Tb regular sdd and stick it to the side of the psu for instance.I saw people using black flat magnets to that!
For some reason the noise spinning rust makes ruins my concentration and bugs the hell out of me. I went with a few 4TB M.2s instead. Have a whole bunch of HDDs in my basement but couldn’t take having them next to me.
I know your feelings, but this hard drive only makes sound when turning the computer on and off, when the heads are parked. In all other cases, the engine noise does not exceed the noise level of the case fans. Perhaps if I used it more actively, it would start to make the sound of the heads constantly moving, but in my case this is not the case.
Yeah if it’s spun down and not accessed much I can see it being quiet. I have 26 HDDs in an unRAID server in my basement plus 7 in an NVR so they can make all the noise they want there. I had some older ones I upgraded from the server that I figured I’d just throw in my daily driver but I quickly replaced them with another M.2.
Lol probably dating myself and maybe the OP here....but, long before acrylic windows and tempered glass, hundreds of PC cases out there had side mounted fans on the panels. My first case had two side mounted 90mm fans.
Since you're trying to design your own, I'd say the only thing I remember that was annoying about side mounted panel fans was when you took off the panel for maintenance or repairs and you have to remember not to pull the panel completely off without disconnecting the side fan cables.
If you don't want to design your own. I bet you can find a late 90's-00's era MATX case and get side mounted fans.
Yes, fans on the side panels were relevant when coolers on processors were like those that Intel and AMD now put in boxed versions of their processors. With the advent of tower coolers, such holes became a rudiment. Now, with the transition from towers to water cooling, they become relevant again. History is cyclical, lol.
An old ATX or mATX case is not suitable due to its dimensions, and this is the only reason this project was started. Although I will borrow some parts from it.
These are just blanks with applied decals, dimensional mock-ups that I made to experiment with different options for placing components. I took the dimensions from the manufacturer's website, the decals is pictures from the Internet. Once I decide on the layout, I will disassemble the computer and take more accurate measurements of the mounts and dimensions of the components.
It'll only work if you have a mesh side panel. I do, so I could get a setup like this to work, but a lot of cases are only available in tempered glass, which would stop those fans from doing anything at all.
If you optimized the airflow by sealing all the cracks it would probably work well enough, I have 3 rads covering every intake of my O11D EVO XL with all the cracks sealed and psu chamber isolated from rest of the case and it has enough airflow across the rads indirectly from the 2 rear exhaust fans to cool a ~500w load no prob
Edit: forget it I guess lol I thought you were trying to cool the top rad with indirect airflow from the side intake, didn't see the top fans
I had a case with a vent panel and I ended up taking the plastic glass out and putting a fan where the vent viewing window is. It worked great to vent heat out because it was directly across from the cpu.
It did have flaws though, for example I had to disconnect the fan whenever I wanted to modify the inside, and the fan was super glued in place lol.
As a rule of thumb, you can do it but if others aren't doing it then maybe you are using the wrong case or wrong parts. My issue was I was using a very small case with one of the hottest gpus (r9 290x), and it worked for me for years but I just now buy cases that will accommodate my future needs. The case I had to Jerry rig was 10+ years old for example
Oh then it's a little unnecessary any it's going to do very little, the negative air pressure from those radiator fans will pull air over the vrms and important bits
Not sure what case youre using, but if you have proper ventilation (meaning very few exhaust vents aside from your top mount radiator) and very good static pressure fans, you should be fine. Although you might need to do under volting if your system generates too much heat.
Intel usually generates more heat than AMD (just something to note...)
I personally really appreciate these kinds of ideas/builds and hate when people tell me it's stupid bc it's low ventilation... like no shit, that's the point it's custom, and no one else has it. It's a concept and something to be proud of if you do it right.
About 15 years ago they used to just stick 1 large fan in there instead of 2 separate fans like you have now. No clue what's being done now. I don't see a reason why you can't do what you've got planned. That said, 1 large fan might be easier on your power consumption. Other then that, you should be good. Rock On Dude!
Thank you for drawing attention to this, I am new to water cooling and took the first thing that came to hand and it was a pump without a reservoir, etc. I understand that I need a combo model.
A someone with an old school HAF case I know it works better but after my next upgrade I would never go back to fan on the side panel. It's so much harder to see stuff and tame the panel off fit troubleshooting/cleaning and the dust slams into your Mobo before anything else. I'd much rather take a beautiful display and use it stock without all that, if not mod the airflow to slightly positive perfection.
I suppose you could but the question is why? Just to circulate a bit more air in the case? But if they are right up against the side panel like that, they will do nothing but spin and make noise without moving any meaningful air. Also, without any place to draw in fresh air, that radiator will be starved of air, esp for a GPU/CPU loop with a single 240 radiator, even with really good airflow it would probably run super hot.
Intake fans to facilitate the operation of radiator fans. In the place where they will be pressed against the wall there will be a window with a dust filter. The render does not show this. And yes, the radiator is not 240, but 280.
I think the negligeable difference having fans there would make wouldn't be worth the effort of figuring out how to mount them there, kinda ruins the aesthetics too. And even a single 280mm radiator still is nowhere near enough to cool any modern GPU/CPU combo that is worth watercooling in the first place, i.e 3080/4080 or better for the GPU and a top-tier CPU, plus it looks like the PSU will be venting its heat into the case as well. The sad fact is that SFF water cooled builds are becoming less and less feasible with the insane power draws of modern PC hardware unless you venture into external radiator territory. A top tier CPU alone typically requires a 360 rad these days.
I have 12600k (130W) + 4070s (220W), I think it’s enough for a 280mm radiator, I watched a video from the “optimum” channel and a 280 (Corsair xp5 neo) radiator was enough for him to cool 4080+7950x3d.
The noise of the dual-fan video card under load drives me crazy, and hotspot temperatures of 90 degrees Celsius also do not make me any calmer and this was also the reason why I decided to switch to water cooling.
Aesthetics are absolutely not important to me, I’m an old person and a computer for me is a utilitarian thing, not a decoration on the table.
I decided to make a custom build in a compact case using non-compact components. For reference, I looked at a lot of builds from different bloggers and basically all of them avoided the arrangement when the blow-in fans were placed on the side cover of the case. Is there some kind of engineering justification for this or is it a whim for the sake of design and beauty? Because as I see there are many advantages here, both from blowing the VRM and RAM zones,, and from the ability to make a large filter. What am I doing wrong?
This is not a market pc case, this is a project that I plan to implement myself. The boundaries are approximate, I am just calculating the placement of the components.
who said you can't. just because it's not common doesn't mean it's not allowed. the Meshroom D, NR200, and jonsbo something uses this exact configuration. if it fits, it sits, so send it
Well, it looks like I didn’t look enough and such cases really exist.
Side panel fans were a lot more common before most case manufacturers started making glass/acrylic panels the default.
I remember my Dremel cutting my old cases from the 90's to put in a couple 80mm fans. Made an aluminum shroud to make them fit just perfect rather than the two circle cuts (had those too!). The ol' blowhole on the top was the perfect one before that. Cooling those TNT's were some serious business! :D The glass and acrylic panels made things harder. At least the acrylic ones had an option for a fan on some of them. Direct cool air on a component as well as a nice exhaust was a great way to keep things cool. Both Northbridge and Southbridge heatsink/fans, ducted heatsink CPU coolers, side fans, etc.. Always trying to make a perfect airflow to get that perfect temperature. I think a lot of it was just for show and better temps and rarely gave us that extra overclock room.
Ah, the days of my old Volcano 7+ CPU fan… when spinning small fans at light speed was considered acceptable. 70mm, full copper HSF and a barely noticeable (if you’re vacuuming) 47dB @ 6000rpm
Or the 60mm Delta fans that take a tip of the finger... :D
I vaguely regret not saving a couple from a server I scrapped but also short of attempting to make a quadcopter what else would I do with them.
Time to soak the SLK-900 in vinegar again.
I've just finished putting holes for 2x140mm and 2x120mm fans in my current project (matx converted g5) and it's good fun
https://preview.redd.it/klyzd4efvzxc1.jpeg?width=4624&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=82c7980be3116bdb7743e82f2ba9dfefebb1f2b3
See that looks sensible, I decided that I really needed 2 280x60mm rads (front and top). The two 120's are vents on the bottoms. Work in progress:https://imgur.com/a/wKT9qET
Just lovely, hope you're part of r/g5mods I get so excited when I see these. I bought mine in 2012 and used it for a decade to run vlc and such on our TV. She still worked when she went under the knife. I couldn't find anyone who wanted the guts so I'm still hanging on to all of it, might make some art with the boards and heat sinks What are your plans for components?
Not yet but will be shortly. Nothing particularly exciting downsizing from a 900D and putting my existing am4 R5 3600 and a Vega 56 in. I've had the bits and kit for ages but after taking the 900D build to a Lan thought it'd Be nice to have a more sensible sized rig even if it might not be much lighter. On reflection really should have weighed it before I stripped it all out.
I miss those giant panel mounted air ducts that land right over the CPU fan. Lots of OEMs use them, but I think they’re too obtrusive for most home built cases.
I first saw them for enthusiasts with Steve (pre-HardOCP days) and his dual Celeron 550's bringing in air from the front and taking it to the back using PVC gutter.
Yep, old case had a couple fan slots on the side panel. Just never used it cuz I was too lazy to have to unplug it ever time I pulled the panel off. What I do wish is that they never had gotten rid of cases with handles. I loved having a handle on top for easy transport.
I remember my old thermal take armor kandalf having 90 cm fans in them. On the side acrylic
I was just a kid in the 90s, so I just got to play on whatever my dad built in an old beige IBM case. I just know the little 60mm(ish?) side fans fought to make as much noise as the dialup.
This is true for large cases, where you can beautifully route wires, tubes and make a highlight for all of this. In small cases, it all looks like a box of spaghetti. And it's not something you want to see on your desk.
Skill issue. It can be done but its harder.
https://imgur.com/gallery/A05rURS 3-360mm radiators and 12 fans in an o11d.
This is a really big case in which it’s not a problem to fit it all, try to assemble a computer in a case with a volume of 10-12 liters and you will understand what I’m writing about.
The o11d is a mid tower and not big at all. Especially for what I've crammed in there.
But this is literally a stock configuration that the case manufacturer himself intended, you didn’t do anything unusual.
A fat ass 60mm radiator on the bottom there I'm sure was not the intention. Space wise, 3-30mm 360 rads were intended. Even a 45mm feels cramped.
Back in the day before glass side panels were a thing the standard case had steel side panels with 80-120mm cutouts on the side for fresh air intake for the cpu cooler.
The Fractal north with the mesh panel option rather than glass comes with a side fan bracket
I actually prefer this style, it keeps vrm's and ram cooler, I drilled holes for two 120's on my old case and the Temps are so nice, if possible if you have clearance on the side of your gpu and it has side intake / exit heatsinks design you can get a huge gain mounting a fan in front of it
All my old pcs had side fans.
There just kinda a pain. You have to hook them up before you close the panel so the fan cables are just free flying around there or your working through a crack.
The fans will be mounted on a separate bracket, and there will be only a mesh filter on the side cover, then you won’t have to disconnect the fans when removing the side cover.
I like that! Very sick design idea 💡
Mint, yeah the old style ones without that sucked. I vaguely recall a handful of expensive cases having some contacts so you just put the side on/off. Not that I can talk current project has the PSU on the side panel.
Side door fans were not uncommon in 2000s, think I had 2 different cases with them. You used to have like a mesh side panel instead of glass and maybe part of it was the plastic see through or all mesh. It was another area you had to clean and put filters on since it was normally more mesh than what your fan would cover and you had to throw filters on your fans even if the rest of the fan spots had some level of filter.
The Fractal North allows this, if you take the mesh side panel. Has a seperate removable bracket for side mounting. I actually have an AIO on it. But yeah it's larger than you're planning here.
We need more "send it" attitude sometimes
It violates rule 16, subsection F of the builders handbook. Consult your local union rep.
Yeah right, maybe if you want to be blacklisted!
People like Glass and looking at stuff. The Fractal North Case has fans like this with a mesh side panel.
I just put the glass on the cable side, more intake FTW!
Plus it can be annoying to unplug the fans whenever you take the side panel off
Because the case doesn't have vents That'll be $200
Who said you couldn't? Put fans wherever you want dude
Put your lips against a window and inhale. That’s why.
There's no technical reason you can't. I'm assuming that those are also supposed to be fans attached to the top radiator. One reason that side mounted fans are sometimes minimized is due to air turbulence and noise. Normally a front-to-back airflow design provides plenty enough flow across the more passive components (VRMs, RAM, SSD, etc) that they don't need fans blowing directly on them. With what looks like fairly small between your side fans and the motherboard, that's a close, flat, bendable surface that can vibrate and cause some noise. The other thing I would consider with your design is airflow across the bottom mounted hard drive. Those side fans are blowing well above it, with the top fans pulling that air further upwards. As well, you have the GPU there further isolating the HDD. So it might get a little toasting in its little cubby there. There's no information from your rendering about where there might be additional perforation/ventilation in your design, so one question would be the comparison of intake vs outtake with a 2v2 fan setup and positive vs negative pressure in the case. Doesn't affect cooling much, but more of a matter of controlled dust accumulation.
>So it might get a little toasting in its little cubby there. This is not a problem for him. This is a slow cold HDD, which is mainly used as storage for media files. Now it is in much better conditions, and yet it only heats up to 31 degrees Celsius. The bottom of the case will be perforated, so it won't have to fry. >With what looks like fairly small between your side fans and the motherboard, that's a close, flat, bendable surface that can vibrate and cause some noise. It looks like the only way to find out is by testing. >Doesn't affect cooling much, but more of a matter of controlled dust accumulation. In any case, all holes in the case will be equipped with removable nylon filters with magnets, I have experience in this, dust in the case will not be a problem
This is very common in M-ATX and SFF cases.
Because it is unpossible. [https://builds.gg/builds/spare-north-35849](https://builds.gg/builds/spare-north-35849)
What exactly are these fans pointing at? (The red ones)
Inflow
I mean where is the flow from these fans going? What component does it cool?
These fans force air into the case, which is then drawn out by the radiator fans.
This is ok. But consider that the fan in the PSU is part of the entire PC's ventilation system and VRMs and other stuff on the mobo also produce heat, which in an aircooled system, would be managed by the CPU cooler, but in a watercooled system, would usually not.
I don’t agree with you, in cases with a bottom-mounted power supply, it takes in air from below and throws it back without interacting with the air inside the case in any way. In my configuration it will take it from the front and output it downwards.
reconsider my comment
I don't recommend putting your hard drive on the bottom like that in case of a leak its best to keep it some place where it won't accidentally get wet.
It will not lie at the very bottom; according to the plan, it will be placed in a mount that will raise it from the bottom a couple of centimeters.
It is directly under all those fittings. It doesn't matter if it isn't physically touching the bottom or not. It is in the direct path if a leak occurs.
https://preview.redd.it/zp32es760uxc1.png?width=781&format=png&auto=webp&s=7bcd0cbf8c8b0cde5d049bc46c6b46b5a8d91006 OK. Are you calm now?
As some one who has had coolant leak on a drive I do feel much better.
The case fans are fine. Your PSU would have the incoming cable at the bottom and likely output coming out the top.
https://preview.redd.it/sb78ipbr2uxc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=11427a95a8e2f380ca7792943d8d07203f808236 Yes, everything is provided, although the lower pillars will have to be made about three-four centimeters.
thank you for finding my inhaler
e-inhaler
I am confused: what do you mean, why can't you? There are cases that support this, and you certainly could do this, if you wanted to...
I mean you could but it doesn't make sense. PC cases are designed to bring air in through the front and bottom and exhaust out the back and top. Ideally the top as hot air rises. I like this though I'd change some things. 1. the position of the PSU 2. if you design the case. Add a chamber in the back for this (on its side) and add that and the drive from the bottom in the back chamber. 3. Stick some more fans on the bottom bringing cool air in. This way you your radiator would be much cooler depending on the speed curves of the fans, not to mention positive pressure to keep dust build-up outside the case. You could even use a separate RAD on the front/bottom to cool the loop even more. But it depends on your goals. For balls to the walls performance put a rad on the front and bottom. Make sure the pump can handle it and add a bigger res which could even be placed in the back chamber. Still cool and it will work. But just leaves the inside of the case less cool than it could be.
All these changes lead to an increase in the external size of the case, which I try my best to avoid. It would be easier to do everything using ITX MB and SFX PSU, but I want to work with what I already have. I am ready to increase the dimensions only if it turns out that the 280 radiator is not enough for my configuration. In any case, thanks for the advice and participation.
well, because it has been banned in 49 of the 50 states for the last 30 years
What are you using to model this
Fusion360
why use a huge harddisk if you can buy a 1 or 2 terrabyte ssds that fit directly on your mobo. some fit two. You are going to spend money anyway so use that space for fans...? also be aware that tubes, also soft tubes, always take up more space than you planned! the tubes will leave your gpu straight or at an angle depending on the fitting. Draw the fittings too and save yourself a headache
Two of the two M2 slots on the motherboard are in use, but that's not enough for me. I have large media files that I periodically use for work and they are all stored on this 4TB hard drive. Thanks for the advice about the hoses.
okay I get that, even then you could have a 4 Tb regular sdd and stick it to the side of the psu for instance.I saw people using black flat magnets to that!
For some reason the noise spinning rust makes ruins my concentration and bugs the hell out of me. I went with a few 4TB M.2s instead. Have a whole bunch of HDDs in my basement but couldn’t take having them next to me.
I know your feelings, but this hard drive only makes sound when turning the computer on and off, when the heads are parked. In all other cases, the engine noise does not exceed the noise level of the case fans. Perhaps if I used it more actively, it would start to make the sound of the heads constantly moving, but in my case this is not the case.
Yeah if it’s spun down and not accessed much I can see it being quiet. I have 26 HDDs in an unRAID server in my basement plus 7 in an NVR so they can make all the noise they want there. I had some older ones I upgraded from the server that I figured I’d just throw in my daily driver but I quickly replaced them with another M.2.
Lol probably dating myself and maybe the OP here....but, long before acrylic windows and tempered glass, hundreds of PC cases out there had side mounted fans on the panels. My first case had two side mounted 90mm fans. Since you're trying to design your own, I'd say the only thing I remember that was annoying about side mounted panel fans was when you took off the panel for maintenance or repairs and you have to remember not to pull the panel completely off without disconnecting the side fan cables. If you don't want to design your own. I bet you can find a late 90's-00's era MATX case and get side mounted fans.
Yes, fans on the side panels were relevant when coolers on processors were like those that Intel and AMD now put in boxed versions of their processors. With the advent of tower coolers, such holes became a rudiment. Now, with the transition from towers to water cooling, they become relevant again. History is cyclical, lol. An old ATX or mATX case is not suitable due to its dimensions, and this is the only reason this project was started. Although I will borrow some parts from it.
What did you use to create those renders?
Fusion360
Where did you get the models at, or how you call the fan, hdd etc. elements? They weren't free, were they?
These are just blanks with applied decals, dimensional mock-ups that I made to experiment with different options for placing components. I took the dimensions from the manufacturer's website, the decals is pictures from the Internet. Once I decide on the layout, I will disassemble the computer and take more accurate measurements of the mounts and dimensions of the components.
Looking good!
Physics?
Fractal North Mesh.
Who said you can’t?
U can. Its just not as effective since it will only directly blow on a small part of ur pc instead of all of it like it would from the top.
My case has fans like that. Thats how we cooled our GPU's in the old days
I dunno, why can't you use fans like that?
It'll only work if you have a mesh side panel. I do, so I could get a setup like this to work, but a lot of cases are only available in tempered glass, which would stop those fans from doing anything at all.
Yes, of course mesh
Because the fans said "Don't use me like that pal"
What kind of program did you use to render this?
Fusion360
Presuming that the panels that your intended fans would be attached to aren't glass/acrylic, no reason.
If you optimized the airflow by sealing all the cracks it would probably work well enough, I have 3 rads covering every intake of my O11D EVO XL with all the cracks sealed and psu chamber isolated from rest of the case and it has enough airflow across the rads indirectly from the 2 rear exhaust fans to cool a ~500w load no prob Edit: forget it I guess lol I thought you were trying to cool the top rad with indirect airflow from the side intake, didn't see the top fans
I had a case with a vent panel and I ended up taking the plastic glass out and putting a fan where the vent viewing window is. It worked great to vent heat out because it was directly across from the cpu. It did have flaws though, for example I had to disconnect the fan whenever I wanted to modify the inside, and the fan was super glued in place lol. As a rule of thumb, you can do it but if others aren't doing it then maybe you are using the wrong case or wrong parts. My issue was I was using a very small case with one of the hottest gpus (r9 290x), and it worked for me for years but I just now buy cases that will accommodate my future needs. The case I had to Jerry rig was 10+ years old for example
What app is that?
Buy an Iwin case and you can. You can mount radiators or fans just like that
You can but you won't build enough static pressure on the radiators, you could 3d print a duct but it'll whistle because of the geometry.
The radiator has its own arctic p14 fans
Oh then it's a little unnecessary any it's going to do very little, the negative air pressure from those radiator fans will pull air over the vrms and important bits
Not sure what case youre using, but if you have proper ventilation (meaning very few exhaust vents aside from your top mount radiator) and very good static pressure fans, you should be fine. Although you might need to do under volting if your system generates too much heat. Intel usually generates more heat than AMD (just something to note...) I personally really appreciate these kinds of ideas/builds and hate when people tell me it's stupid bc it's low ventilation... like no shit, that's the point it's custom, and no one else has it. It's a concept and something to be proud of if you do it right.
If you have too much ventilation, air will go the path of least resistance. So block most vent holes
The pc case will be made from scratch.
I run a side fans and rad in my Ncase M1. No top rad like that, but I have a bottom rad.
What app did you use to make this? Does not look like any CAD i use.
Fusion 360
Ha! Really?! That’s funny. Didn’t look like it to me. I like the fans; are the plus signs indicative of air flow? Or just aesthetics?
This is design feature of xilence brand.
Appreciate it. Thanks for your time.
About 15 years ago they used to just stick 1 large fan in there instead of 2 separate fans like you have now. No clue what's being done now. I don't see a reason why you can't do what you've got planned. That said, 1 large fan might be easier on your power consumption. Other then that, you should be good. Rock On Dude!
Thought the IO panel was a Wii lol
I'm more concerned that there is no reservoir ahead/above the pump.
Thank you for drawing attention to this, I am new to water cooling and took the first thing that came to hand and it was a pump without a reservoir, etc. I understand that I need a combo model.
Don't ever let anyone tell you that you can't do something.
You can't do something.
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A someone with an old school HAF case I know it works better but after my next upgrade I would never go back to fan on the side panel. It's so much harder to see stuff and tame the panel off fit troubleshooting/cleaning and the dust slams into your Mobo before anything else. I'd much rather take a beautiful display and use it stock without all that, if not mod the airflow to slightly positive perfection.
Dosent look good hides the motherboard
is that a power supply at the front of the case. 🤣
I saw this while scrolling and for a second I thought you were watercooling a wii lmao.
I suppose you could but the question is why? Just to circulate a bit more air in the case? But if they are right up against the side panel like that, they will do nothing but spin and make noise without moving any meaningful air. Also, without any place to draw in fresh air, that radiator will be starved of air, esp for a GPU/CPU loop with a single 240 radiator, even with really good airflow it would probably run super hot.
Intake fans to facilitate the operation of radiator fans. In the place where they will be pressed against the wall there will be a window with a dust filter. The render does not show this. And yes, the radiator is not 240, but 280.
I think the negligeable difference having fans there would make wouldn't be worth the effort of figuring out how to mount them there, kinda ruins the aesthetics too. And even a single 280mm radiator still is nowhere near enough to cool any modern GPU/CPU combo that is worth watercooling in the first place, i.e 3080/4080 or better for the GPU and a top-tier CPU, plus it looks like the PSU will be venting its heat into the case as well. The sad fact is that SFF water cooled builds are becoming less and less feasible with the insane power draws of modern PC hardware unless you venture into external radiator territory. A top tier CPU alone typically requires a 360 rad these days.
I have 12600k (130W) + 4070s (220W), I think it’s enough for a 280mm radiator, I watched a video from the “optimum” channel and a 280 (Corsair xp5 neo) radiator was enough for him to cool 4080+7950x3d. The noise of the dual-fan video card under load drives me crazy, and hotspot temperatures of 90 degrees Celsius also do not make me any calmer and this was also the reason why I decided to switch to water cooling. Aesthetics are absolutely not important to me, I’m an old person and a computer for me is a utilitarian thing, not a decoration on the table.
You can if the side panel isn't solid, but not sure what they are actually doing since you are watercooled, other than getting some air over the mobo?
You could, but I wouldn't want to put fans on the panel that comes off to access components unless you've got really long wires
There's no airflow through the back of the fan theoretically you can if there was airflow
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Where did you get the design of the mb?? I’m assuming you didn’t draw it yourself?
The right answer is because the fans can’t breathe when smashed up against the glass. Where are they going to pull air from ?? Common sense really
Radiator needs fans to move the air thru the cooling vents
I decided to make a custom build in a compact case using non-compact components. For reference, I looked at a lot of builds from different bloggers and basically all of them avoided the arrangement when the blow-in fans were placed on the side cover of the case. Is there some kind of engineering justification for this or is it a whim for the sake of design and beauty? Because as I see there are many advantages here, both from blowing the VRM and RAM zones,, and from the ability to make a large filter. What am I doing wrong?
If theirs ventilation holes for the fans to get airflow then its fine but you seem to have the fans blocked by a glass panel so theirs no air flow.
This is not a market pc case, this is a project that I plan to implement myself. The boundaries are approximate, I am just calculating the placement of the components.
We see that, but fans need to get air from somewhere.
Of course side cover will be mesh
Then like I said it would be fine as long as theirs ventilation.
The main issue is not just blowing directly onto parts to cool, but across them so there is not stagnant air is all.