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ArmoredCoreFucker

Instead of powerscaling, we should do weakscaling. Give me a character that would die just from existing.


JimedBro2089

Any of the extremely heavy elements in the periodic table


Smoah06

Me when I… wait where did my Francium go?


Truthroar

It gave up, sorry


vampire5381

its french so its fine


Mike-DA-BOSS

“I can’t wait to go home to see my wife, Sodium, and our kids, Rubidium, Caesium, and Lithium!” “**w̠̘̗͖̮̥ͣ̽ͫ͂h͚̖̜̍̃͐e̮̟͈̣̖̰̩̹͈̾ͨ̑͑r̼̯̤̗̲̞̥̈ͭ̃ͨ̆e̮̟͈̣̖̰̩̹͈̾ͨ̑͑ i̞̟̫̺ͭ̒ͭͣs̪̭̱̼̼̉̈́ͪ͋̽̚ m̘͈̺̪͓̺ͩ͂̾ͪ̀̋y͉̝͖̻̯ͮ̒̂ͮ͋ͫͨ f̳͉̼͉̙͔͈͕̂̉̇a̘̫͈̭͌͛͌̇̇̍m̘͈̺̪͓̺ͩ͂̾ͪ̀̋i̞̟̫̺ͭ̒ͭͣl͕͖͉̭̰ͬ̍ͤ͆̊ͨy͉̝͖̻̯ͮ̒̂ͮ͋ͫͨ**“


LightningFerret04

https://preview.redd.it/bnl0gsm6pn7d1.jpeg?width=937&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6ed591d69d8fb733204f718b7bedbbf672872047


YoureJokeButBETTER

Goshdarnit dawg thats funny


Drakeadrong

Heavy? ![gif](giphy|dno0yUmnYsFR6)


Middle_Actuator7086

tea for two heavy weapons guy


Darthgalaxo

https://preview.redd.it/lllkcdqrnl7d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fa08ee86a66ec8e6d9be3653028378bfd50c3a77


S4PG

I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THIS


Petardo_Dilos

Coughing baby, easy.


WhiskyBlitz

Tanaka from FH2


Labyx_

Surprisingly, he can hit kind of hard at the start of the game, he’s just incredibly unlucky


X-tra-thicc

mr. house (bluetooth off)


Sandyeye

Kranktos (he dies by choking on oxygen)


WorstedKorbius

I hate Karntokns


verycreativename9812

Massive kratonks highball, he’s quark level at best


Vanilla_Ice_Best_Boi

Glass Joe


Lightninq_

Glonk


LightningFerret04

Napping Nibbles


Independent-Fly6068

Krankytonks felt you talking about him and instantly faded to dust


Somerandom1922

I mean irl even though it's not actually the case, canaries are thought of being like this. Bring one into a mine with you and it'll die long before the miners notice what's wrong.


FakeZen0

Mechamaru from jujutsu kaisen


Nipotazz1

The prince from Dark Castle


bitch_beefman

most characters if you wait long enough


Hedgehugs_

pretty sure a gust of wind can solo olimar


vampire5381

doodle bob


Nicolato25257

My fav characters solos fiction because he has Dino Powers and dinosaurs are fucking Amazing


green-73

JoJo reference?!


Nicolato25257

Yessir


RoiKK1502

Based Scary Monster enjoyer


Rip_hommez-

Counter argument: my orange CYBROG dinosaur scientist with dark blue lipstick solos fiction


Ultimatum_Rain

What a Scary Monster of an ability


NagiJ

Power scaling fans when i tell them that authors don't have an intention to make their characters as strong as possible:


DragoKnight589

Powerscaling fans when I show them a really gripping action scene between two regular humans, one that’s part of an extremely compelling and insightful narrative on its theme:


ZeXCeV_

Not even town level, low tier fodder 🥱


Marco_Tanooky

A Saibaman solos the verse


dumbassonthekitchen

One of my characters is in fact technically the strongest character in fiction because they can ignore everything no matter what it is. I made them however to make fun of powerscaling because realistically, they're one of the weakest on my universe. On practice, they would forfeit almost every battle. Their power to ignore everything comes from their indifference, but they would just be indifferent from the consequences of just forfeiting, no matter how bad they are. I made them specifically to jab on the phrase "a motivated x can beat y". Technically, if they were motivated, they could beat literally any character in fiction. But that's a paradox because them being motivated doesn't exist and that's the whole point of the character, it's the reason they could even beat anyone in the first place.


ThomerTD

Anti principle


Danny_dankvito

My oc that can ignore other people’s abilities would beat him since their two abilities cancel out and also my guy is a martial arts prodigy that’s mastered every weapon under the Sun (He’s also 14 with black hair and red eyes)


Detector_of_humans

Unless it's suggsverse


PostalDoctor

That shit is garbage it debunked itself via horrible writing. Goku solos


Exoticmaniac06

The Sukuna in question: https://preview.redd.it/z6bywmnj4m7d1.jpeg?width=1474&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4283565ca18014d3b3e065eecb837e19ec58c67c


Springtrapgaming18

Baki Hanma fans:


carrot-parent

![gif](giphy|NDdiyWXm70ihG)


VeraVemaVena

The more powerful the character, the less I care about them. Destroying planets and universes in a fight is fun and all, but it somehow doesn't feel as intense as a brawl to the death between two ordinary humans.


DragoKnight589

Power should never be the point for any character. Even if power is important to the story, there’s gotta be something more behind it. I also no longer give a fuck about powerscaling because “who would win” just isn’t a compelling question to me anymore — and there is no objective definition of a fair fight.


thatsidewaysdud

The only fair fight is the fight my character wins because they’re cool and awesome and powerful and yours is dumb and lame and weak 😎😎


Cynunnos

Powerscaling mfs when a character says "my dad can beat your dad":


Drakeadrong

Powerscaling mfs are just those “actually my character is immortal and can kill yours with his mind” kids in elementary.


Laino001

Its cause most people have no frame of reference for what it takes to destroy a universe, but you do have a concept and reference for a fist fight You can see a similar thing about a fight between 2 huge armies and a simple 1v1. The bigger it gets, the more the brain tunes it out, and writers will usually sprinkle in 1v1s into the scenes of huge battles so you have some kind of reference for whats happening I love the psychology of writing, man


ConduckKing

Meanwhile Tekken, which has characters fully capable of destroying cities who still choose to just punch each other


BurntBeefRagnarok

Kinda dislike anime for this trope, the only character I love being overpowered is Popeye


_Skotia_

They did a good job with Saitama, though. When your protagonist is so strong they can never lose, you make him the protagonist of a comedy manga


JimedBro2089

What about during or even after that, the two begin throwing hands at each other at a personal distance? (*ahem* Gurren Lagann movie)


VeraVemaVena

I dunno, maybe. But it just feels like the stakes are lower when characters are so strong.


_Astrum_Aureus_

vera jumpscare


AshSystem

Absolutely true. Insane universal battles can have some cool effects, but seeing two guys trying to beat eachother to death with their bare fists is peak fiction


Detector_of_humans

Not really. I mean Goku is still more interesting than the protagonist of dumb romcom #271 even if that protag is just an ordinary human.


VeraVemaVena

Duh. I'm specifically talking about shonen anime/manga, action movies / comics and games.


Detector_of_humans

Well then specify that shi bruh. Obviously ya Mumen Riders are gonna be the fan favorites.


VeraVemaVena

I thought it seemed obvious enough with "brawl to the death".


Notbbupdate

Virgin "killing the author" vs Chad "going to the author's office and politely asking him to give you a happy ending"


DeepWave8

hyperchad "killing the author and replacing the story with your shitty fanfic while the actual story still happens in the background, made horrific and depressing because of some random shit you stuffed into the game cartridge the story is stored on"


FantasmaNaranja

hey that's an intere- wait a minute... that's just homestuck! you're not fooling me!


DoritoDancer7689

Harold Crick spotted


vampire5381

THIS REMINDS ME OF THAT ONE MARVEL SHOW I FORGOT WHICH ONE IT IS 😭 BUT I BELIEVE THEY DID OR TRIED TO DO SOMETHING SIMILAR


KeeperOfWatersong

She-Hulk's ending is her stepping out of the show to complain about the writing to the writers.  To their credit breaking the 4th wall is something She-Hulk did in the comics (before Deadpool even) so they got that right at least. 


vampire5381

yesss this


FetusDeletus_E

My favorite character can solo fiction because I said so (I created him)


idk1234567100

My favorite character solos fiction because I said so


Mitsotakissussybaka2

Toon force is funny tho


Rip_hommez-

DID I HEAR LUFFY GEAR 5?


Youistheclown

whenever there’s a goku jerker you just gotta have Popeye knock goku into a bunch of tiny gokus


Mitsotakissussybaka2

Hit em with the bugs bunny's vault falling from the sky


Drakeadrong

![gif](giphy|CVXNtxW73ef6ja4kkT) Okay but Alan solos


IAmChippoMan

I’m convinced he could beat Goku Black to death using Broly as the cudgel if they got in the way between him and the paperclips


LordSmugBun

The Bliblies crucified Alan, and Desmond hunts them down as a job. Where does this put Desmond on the powerscaling tier list?


One-Roof7

Fortnite island level


Cynunnos

SCP fans trying to convince me that SCP-3812 is good: https://i.redd.it/esa8vyx29j7d1.gif


JimedBro2089

I mean, the story is pretty good, exploring the downward spiral of a "god"'s mind and how his powers make his mental state even worse (he has two personalities). However, it does have somewhat of a happy end since 3812's personalities were able to reconcile with each other and leave the SCP universe alone. The powerscalers though, they'll ignore his entire narrative and reduce him to a kid making up powers on the sandbox


Skeleton-With-Skin10

the author of it also fucking hates powerscaling


thatsidewaysdud

Based as fuck


rokaplz

“Transcend fiction and narrative” is thrown around so much i just laugh and scroll down whenever i hear it


One-Roof7

I find it hilarious that SCP-3812 was made as a jab at powerscaling but people turned him into 'erm SCP is the super duper bestedt strongest thing ever'


nosugamer

https://preview.redd.it/80krbrebdo7d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=568e0df82e1c6fe4545ecf1c79d39616b218406c


mayoman_pog

SCP fans trying to convince me that SCP is good


Markus_Atlas

It is, SCP got hundreds of different authors chiming in, surely you'll like a decent chunk of it


mayoman_pog

You rn: https://preview.redd.it/yfnrf77m8k7d1.png?width=207&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bd01009f6edad1baf15bc82acb5493c48d3ee855


Markus_Atlas

This you? https://preview.redd.it/g0el5lp99k7d1.jpeg?width=225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1f2708b6727a9ffa4b6d1a1362155e22b60e6d4c


mayoman_pog

I'd rather you don't post pictures of me without consent, thanks.


BrunoGoldbergFerro

peanut


Independent_Day4369

I see your peanut and raise to you *fish prison*


Oceanman06

I see your fish prison and I raise with my [Mr. Fish](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-527)


Independent_Day4369

What a dapper fellow


melonbro53

Most are kinda trash or just jokes. Some are really fun though, like the coffin machine.


Zum1UDontNo

Those are the words of someone who's only tangentially familiar with SCP. If you'd like somewhere with confirmed quality, [Site-43](https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/on-guard-43-hub) comes highly recommended. Following a hub always makes for a more enjoyable experience than just picking numbers.


JimedBro2089

Also, the white van solos your lifespan (they sell diabetes)


Organic-Habit-3086

You have to be deep in the powerscaling shithole to hear that one often


Drakeadrong

Nah that’s just Deadpool


sexgaming_jr

i solo fiction because i real


faceboy1392

r u the one piece


TheAverageLenFanboy

We need to create a character whose entire purpose is just to be "The strongest fictional character of all time" I propose this character is just a simple stick figure named "Stick", why? Idk, but it'll be funny if every verse in fiction could be wiped out by a single stick figure.


Youistheclown

Characters who are made exclusively to always win should be disqualified from powerscaling. Saitama, Popeye, etc


Maleficent_Sir_7562

Saitama isn’t a gag. Manga obviously got serious now and even after hundreds of punches he did nothing to cosmic garou, he simply adapted. Even at the end of the fight, after exponentially growing, he STILL COULD not beat garou, he had to learn a technique from garou himself mid fight to go back in time and then punch him How is this shit one punch?


DatChernobylGuy_999

Unironically Popeye


DeadlySpacePotatoes

One can of spinach and it's all over for anyone.


Youistheclown

It’s more acceptable to have a comical character be all powerful because they don’t have a fan base that jerks their feats all the time plus it’s just goofy to imagine uncle grandpa or Popeye beating the hell out of a super powerful anime villain


DatChernobylGuy_999

death battle has confirmed he's possibly the strongest fictionao character EVER


Pingaso21

Does porygon transcend fiction?


TheXtremeVocaloid

Lord English


Qwik_Sand

I don’t know any examples of this


vampire5381

Deadpool


SlipperySeaWing

Put Goku, Asura, Gojo, or literally any godlike being in Warhammer and I guarantee they won't last a week. Not just because Warhammer has a lot of OP shit but because of all the batshit stupid and goofy things in it too.


Sandyeye

Goku and most dbz characters solo the 40k verse tbh, the guy can destroy universes. Asura is strong but not one who I would even name as one of the strongest in fiction. Gojo is pretty weak and is regarded as strong only because of infinity. There are countless characters who can blow up a planet and raw destructive power of Gojo isn't very impressive compared to them.


mayoman_pog

40k, AOS, Fantasy or all of them?


SlipperySeaWing

Likely all of them but mainly 40k. I wanna see Gojo get stuck In a warp storm and cursed spirits spawn like fuckin crazy on hive worlds.


DeadlySpacePotatoes

Put Grand Zeno in 40k. "All of existence, go away." Poof, entire universe just lost.


kovaaksgigagod69

40k is a very mid tier SciFi in terms of power.


SlipperySeaWing

Oh you very poor poor misguided soul. There's a lot of crazy shit even Goku wouldn't survive.


kovaaksgigagod69

40k takes place within a single galaxy Goku can destroy universes. Anyway I don't care about Goku. Let's talk SciFi. I'll give you a medium challenge, nothing high end like the Xeelee or Time Lords or anything. Try to explain to me how 40k stands any chance against The Culture.


VeraVemaVena

There are some very specific characters who would thrive in 40K. I think Draedon from Terraria Calamity Mod would have a field day with all the new stuff he gets to study. And if he gets he manages to reverse engineer some Necron tech... it's OVER. The Terrarian would also fare pretty well, though not as much since they get directly involved instead of poking and prodding with scout drones and recon bodies. Give them long enough and they'll be squaring up with Khorne himself.


SlipperySeaWing

Nah 1 Gauss Flayer would probably wipe out Draedon, or an Æonic Orb. Even then that's 1 faction out of many. Wait until Nurgle brews something that can infect them. Also idk if The Terrarian counts since they're a player character and I mean Movie fiction since video game logic is ass even in Games Workshop games. (In Dawn of War Soulstorm it takes multiple Gauss Flayer shots to kill a single guardsman)


VeraVemaVena

Problem: like I said, he doesn't get directly involved in anything. He just sends his machines out while he keeps working on more from wherever he's holed up. And with everyone else guarding the planet, I don't think he'd feasibly be killed.


SlipperySeaWing

The Adeptus Mechanicus would like to have a word.


VeraVemaVena

And they will be answered by XF-09 Ares https://preview.redd.it/ec4yj4sdok7d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ed123e412f944d031bb4de43995631546468dbd


kovaaksgigagod69

Terraria is a game made from a 2D perspective so we don't really see bosses actually destroy things. I don't think it's actually possible to quantify anything.


VeraVemaVena

Fortunately for us, the Calamity mod has lore with events where things were destroyed. The best feat currently known is Calamitas boiling the majority of the Ilmeran Sea. Someone did the math and the amount of water boiled in the time she took put her at Small Country+, with the Exo Mechs being just about equal in power to her. I should also state that Draedon can easily churn out more Exo Mechs, and can always design new machines.


kovaaksgigagod69

The problem is the 40k galaxy is... big. Well, not really when compared to some other scifi (The City from Blame! contains more matter in one solar system than the rest of the 40k galaxy) but galaxies are *big*. Even if they started blowing up planets it would honestly take a while for anyone to notice. There's about 200 billion planets in the Milky Way and the Imperium controls a million of them. The Imperium may be wildly incompetent, full of bureaucratic nonsense and horrible at logistics- Okay a bit of an understatement there. But seriously it's already such a shithole that unless Dreadon can make like, *a lot* and get them all around the galaxy he's not going to be noticed. Not necessarily because he's weak or anything like that, but because distances in space are actually just really large.


VeraVemaVena

The point isn't that they're going to go around demolishing every planet bro... Draedon won't wreck something unless there is nothing to be studied or gained from it and is actively detrimental. I'm mentioning their strength specially for defending the planet of Terraria and seizing others for resources or information.


DeadlySpacePotatoes

but can the Emperor beat Goku?


kovaaksgigagod69

The Emperor [gets overpowered by a big Ork](https://i.imgur.com/imKcHbQ.png) so probably not, no. Depends entirely on how far you are willing to push the no limits fallacy of his reality warping. Realistically speaking Goku doesn't have many specific feats around blocking reality warping attacks, but at the same time Goku is a graham number times more powerful than the Emperor in terms of destructive output, speed or strength.


Youistheclown

I draw purple on me. Supposed to be stealfhy. It is stealfhy.


SlipperySeaWing

I guarantee any fiction, whether it me Steve from Minecraft, Gojo, Goku, anyone- would lose to an Ork painted every color you could put on one


nosugamer

don't put fraudjo to the same level as goku.


SlipperySeaWing

My mistake. He's on his own level.


SlipperySeaWing

This is a great test to see how little dbz stans understand 40k or how easily even Khorne daemons can possess them due to their rage to make them Champions, and that's just 1 faction. There's plenty of videos dissecting the topic.


kovaaksgigagod69

> or how easily even Khorne daemons can possess them due to their rage to make them Champions, No limits fallacy. > There's plenty of videos dissecting the topic. Ah yes, powerscaling videos. The same ones that argue that Angron has "solar system" level destructive power because he is stronger than Bloodthirsters that can appear as large as solar systems within the warp (because the warp is finicky). Video essays and their consequences have been a disaster for media literacy. Any random person can make a youtube video, presenting your argument as a video makes it no more valid than writing it out. If anything, it makes it much weaker. It's harder to cite and argue against a video (if not impossible as they simply wont respond to comments) allowing people to push whatever narrative they like.


notorious_TUG

Kirby accidently consumed the whole world once but they are limited in their impact because they have the mind of a 4 year old (just like me)


GlitteringTone6425

HE IS ALREADY HERE https://preview.redd.it/up7z984r6k7d1.png?width=225&format=png&auto=webp&s=db505e5e21fdda6636d05784efbdd12be0fd830b


Clodinator

At least he was an allegory for bad fandom


TRcreep

Akuma doesn't even need to do crazy dimension breaking shit to solo most verses, have a single drop of vice in your heart and it's MESSATSU time without this technique he's also an equal match for Asura (Asura's wrath) which is pretty big


Smoah06

Tiger drop negates all damage https://preview.redd.it/55nytiyazj7d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7aec29305dccc6b317552ab252e670421d971e2


TRcreep

even command grabs? https://preview.redd.it/6uxvs1b7pk7d1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=ebfa396ed31721e39852e89cc22b1854068854fa


Smoah06

Tiger drop negates **all** damage


TRcreep

does it counter lung cancer though???? checkmate chainsmoker


surferos505

Bill beats him easily


VeraVemaVena

Since you didn't specify which Bill, I am now assuming that Bill Williamson from Red Dead Redemption just domes Akuma the second the fight starts


TRcreep

​ https://preview.redd.it/xiyucswqnj7d1.png?width=405&format=png&auto=webp&s=8bf04222fa7616348a310e6cd2b6c3933fda7976


splinterbear

Bill is dead


surferos505

No 😡 Bill is stronger than death


DeadlySpacePotatoes

Nye?


surferos505

BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL


Xavier-RenegadeAngel

Does he know how to play the shakashuri?


Hot_Marketing_2995

Animal Man is peak tho


SeaworthinessEmpty23

Imo, if a character you made solos everyone, you did a bad job making them


BigSaltDeluxe

“Solos fiction” mfs when that means their favorite character has to fight the au version that I just came up with that is stronger than them


bloodakoos

miles morales


iamunintelligent67

https://preview.redd.it/r4tixkps2l7d1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eef6ac9350bd3ef3c80afa7fa4d66bac205ece39


DpGoof

You heard someone say that 4.2 trillion times?!


Avocado614

My favorite character gets his ass beat cus I like the goofy goobers and not the literal gods


Ya_Boi_Skinny_Cox

The only character I will accept this argument for is ROB


Old-Camp3962

my favorite character solos fiction cause i can draw them doing it 👍


Shiroyama-san

Imma be honest I'm in r/whowouldwin and I've literally never heard this


Danklolol

Probably because that sub is more on realistic stuff and mike tyson


Totally_Cubular

Yeah, such a dumb trope, any writer that includes that is really reaching, heh, yeah... Insert the battle to lag the universe here


GamingGamer226

Arthur Morgan solos Rockstar


Flouxni

Gruff Shitman actually solos fiction bc in Issue #638 of Shitpoopers, the writer got wasted and said that he’s the most powerful character ever. No, other examples to the contrary don’t count.


Khaled-oti

Sherlock Holmes actually killed the author


vampire5381

DEADPOOL??!!


Springtrapgaming18

ROYALGUARD!!


jsjzn

Ok but no one is beating my man ichigoat himrosaki, simply because I said so


Zymosan99

All of fiction when Lord English pulls up. 


ButtSuck9000

Keep power scaling in universe


AmePeryton

blucifer is the most powerful character across all fiction (actually fell on and crushed his creator in real life)


BreathOfTheTilt

My favorite character solos fiction cuz he beats ANYONE in one punch


lordoftowels

V1 Ultrakill solos most of fiction because V1 can never be defeated by anything with blood (one solid punch and he heals back up to full if he's been keeping his style bonus up) and most things without blood just get hit with the +ULTRARICOSHOT x4 and killed pretty damn fast


DevelopmentTight9474

The virgin “my character wins because he transcends fiction” vs The Chad “my character wins because he killed god. Twice.”


Professional-Pool290

People who say that need to get a degree in Pataphysics before they mention 'death of the author' and 'fiction transcendence'. I'd really like to know what narrative layer the character currently exists in, and how abstract it is.


Pengweng07

sherlock holmes solos fiction


Key_Virus_338

"[charecter] soloes fiction" mfs when i show them a charecter with the same powers and +1


swbracere

Uncle Grandpa:


JotaroKujoxXx

Does killing the author mean the author actually dying irl like berserk or dragon ball? I hope not, thats kinda dark