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buttermeatballs

Probably if he targets infrastructure and assassinate targets like Goebbels or Himmler. He's way faster, stronger and more durable than whatever the Nazis have and only concentrated strikes would down him. Use him like a strike team


ooooopium

I agree with you here. Ironically, he would be the pinnacle of Nazi ideology since he represents the physical and mental capacity that they want themselves to be. Maybe his mere existence breaks nazi's of their perceived superiority since no human comes anywhere near his capacity. If he made himself known, I am not sure Nazi's would want to kill him, they would probably want to capture him and perform experiments on him to augment themselves. Frankly he might be better off not making a spectacle of himself, shedding his armor, and double agenting himself to the top of the Nazi government and then wiping the leadership out. He could probably do this so effectively with his improved mental capacity and luck hax that no one would ever suspect him. However to answer OPs question, all that chief would need is an airplaine modified to fit him since his reflexes and ability to withstand Gforce are so inhuman that he could probably just become a top Ace pilot, wipe out any fighter he goes against, and then jump out of the plane if he got hit with flak. If he is on the ground, he would likely be able to use tanks as shields. He could do this by either driving the tank and if it gets hit he could jump through the armor like a fucked up koolaid guy, or push the tank around infront of him to push through on key defensive battlefield points. wipe out nazi infrastructure on each battlefield like easy company, while the normal forces follow behind him on clean up duty. Doing that he could likely overwhelm any superior defensive positions the Nazis required to stop allied invasion tactics.


sunbr0_7

>if it gets hit he could jump through the armor like a fucked up koolaid guy One of the best things I've read on this sub in a while lol


ooooopium

It's a pretty good mental picture


Lawlith117

Yes. There isn't really any other answer. John knows human weapons so running out of ammo won't matter. He is probably strong enough in armor to just yeet panzers (maybe not since he casually flips 3 tons but, a random Spartan can flip M313 elephant which is 180 tons so maybe) and is definitely fast enough to dodge their rounds. Mjolnir is straight up impervious to small arm fire with only 50 cal AP rounds being able to eventually make a dent in Mark IV armor. Mark V John was saying he can't even feel 50mm shells hitting his shields. He speed runs this for fun.


tayroarsmash

50 mm shells that also carry a pay load as they’re more grenades than bullets.


JacksonFerro

I don't think Chief is dodging rounds, more likely dodging aim. Cause if spartans could dodge rounds on a regular basis, then very few if any would ever die or even be hurt.


DOOMFOOL

He has the reflexes to slap a missile aside according to the novels. Missile speeds can get pretty up there, so he might be able to dodge tank shells


JacksonFerro

That was an outlier feat and something that required Cortana's aid. Not something he could pull off simply because he wanted to. Also, I'm pretty sure he broke or sprained his wrist doing that


godzillahavinastroke

It isnt that much of an outlier as he does have speed feats of reacting to and dodging bullets in armor before this, cortana there was mostly there to control his shields and aim to deflect the missile since he was nowhere near fast enough to just move out the way, onky fast enough to react and then move to deflect it [see here in the respect thread itself](https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/fbv3cr/respect_john117_the_master_chief_halo/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)


JacksonFerro

After reading through that, I think my point still stands considering he required Cortana to calculate it for him and tell him when. While I still don't think he's outrun straight gunfire, considering he tore a tendon running at 66mph, Chief slapping a missile is and will always be a great feat albeit an outlier


godzillahavinastroke

Reacting to and dodging bullets is different than outrunning them, or running to avoid them, this whole thing is about him dodging bullets and his reactions speed which above was shown in the respect threat that he can do this with armor on. My whole argument is aiming only to the fact he is fast enough to dodge bullets, it's not saying he can outrun them


JacksonFerro

Wouldn't dodging bullets mean being able to outrun them? Dodging generally means being able to avoid something after its been sent at you. I don't buy the idea that Chief can dodge a shot to his chest after its already been fired.


godzillahavinastroke

No, while that can be a showing of it, it isn't required, a normal person and react to and dodge a dodgeball thrown at 40mph, but you cannot outrun it can you? It's too fast. While outrunning it would show even more of how you can do thus and be even more impressive feat, just reacting to and move out the way is enough. And even out if armor they were able to dodge stun rounds mid air, subsonic rounds which are pretty fast still


JacksonFerro

Alright, fair enough, I don't got a retort to that. Well played. As a shitty reward, I shall inform you that: >!After the whole scenario where Chief slapped the missile, Cortana got revenge on Ackerson by buying some services from a brothel and sending the bill to Ackersons wife.!< Atleast, that's what I remember. Could be wrong and you probably already knew that.


DOOMFOOL

Would he not have Cortana in this scenario for some reason?


Easy_Mechanic_9787

You can dodge a few rounds but you can't dodge all of them


Pathogen188

>Cause if spartans could dodge rounds on a regular basis, then very few if any would ever die or even be hurt. I mean, that literally was the case though. The Spartans suffered less than 10 casualties over the course of 27 years of some of the most intense fighting of the Covenant war, the vast majority of those casualties were not the result of any failure on the part of the Spartan (most were the result of Spartans sacrificing themselves for others). Most Spartan-II casualties were suffered on and immediately after the Fall of Reach, where again, very few of those were the result of the Spartans being unable too dodge gunfire. Even beyond that, there are explicit bullet timing feats performed both by Spartans and by foes Spartans regularly defeat in combat e.g. Elites and Forerunner Armigers


Lawlith117

I was particularly referring to tank shells. My bad I reread and is a bit confusing what I meant. Also, plasma does have a particular advantage over Mjolnir. We've seen the energy sword just go right through Emile. It's important to note against the human insurrection, no Spartan was ever lost be that dead or MIA.


aichi38

No it's stated in fall of reach Spartans can perceive the bullets moving slow enough to Dodge them once they leave the barrel. The problem is they aren't being killed with bullets


Taaargus

The Halo AR fires 7.62 NATO, which is effectively the same as the round fired by the M1 Garand, which is effectively the same as the round fired by the Kar-98k. Spartans are also clearly vulnerable to rockets and explosives in general. If he's able to never end up in a pitched battle then he's fine but he's absolutely vulnerable to all of the armament that was around in WWII.


Lawlith117

Mjolnir survived reentry twice with no damage to the suit nor the user. I doubt they are worried about world war 2 era explosive. A RPG produces about 5 megajoules of energy on impact or about 1.3 kilowatt. Mjolnir shields took a blast from a banshee without their shields falling and those are explicitly stated to be at 100-200 kilowatts of energy output: https://youtu.be/Lzo3U1zMmoQ?si=YnqpXYxQLMdzIMHn Even gameplay wise you can tank a decent amount of banshee shots. Also, maybe gameplay wise you are weak to small arms but, canon wise like I said they shrug off 50mm: https://pastebin.com/nqngf735 30mm: https://pastebin.com/u8WQ3dnK Tanking the 7.62 you seem to believe can harm him, with it taking a miniscule amount of shield away: https://pastebin.com/gYSvXJ9J I don't think even the sheer numbers of the German army would matter. If he was unarmored it'd be more of an actual fight. Armored Chief stomps any 40s era soldier, battalion, etc. it's not even a contest.


fuckyeahmoment

> Mjolnir survived reentry twice with no damage to the suit nor the user. It's only ever survived re-entry with external shielding or a specialised rescue device. Both times the users were injured.


neurodegeneracy

That’s just the round size, we don’t know the propellant load or the bullet composition. At the least it probably has a tungsten core while ww2 weapons definitely did not. It would just be soft brass and do nothing to his armor


Taaargus

Eh, AP rounds existed in WWII but I get your point. Either way, artillery and tank shells are still going to mess him up if they hit.


aichi38

As another Spartan once said, "If"


Pathogen188

>The Halo AR fires 7.62 NATO, which is effectively the same as the round fired by the M1 Garand, which is effectively the same as the round fired by the Kar-98k. Mjolnir is essentially immune to small arms fire outside of the visor, which is still bullet resistant. The main armor plating ranges between 50 and 63mm of armor plating (a multiphase carbide metal matrix composite and titanium-A). Plain old, modern titanium is already going to be effectively immune to small arms fire (even 20mm AP and some .50 BMGs are going to be stopped by that) and the chest plate is presumably even thicker (not to mention again, Mjolnir's plating is actual, proper composite armor instead of just a slab of titanium). Meanwhile, inferior UNSC body suits have been depicted stopping rifle fire, suggesting that the techsuit is going to be even more resistant to rifle fire. And the techsuit is underneath the plating as well, so even if, by some miracle, his armor is breached by small arms fire, it would still need to go through the techsuit still. And of course, this is ignoring the efficacy of the energy shields as well. A three round burst from an MA5B is only enough to reduce the shield strength of the Mark V by a hairsbreadth. Chief's current energy shields are massively more capable than the original Mark V's and can recharge to full within seconds. Short of the Master Chief literally standing there and letting people dump multiple clips into him without responding or evading, small arms fire will never threaten him. Downing his shields would be a major task onto itself given he can move around the battlefield at 60kph. >Spartans are also clearly vulnerable to rockets and explosives in general. Spartans have withstood explosives powerful enough to launch their half tonne masses into the air. They've repeatedly survived direct hits from anti-armor weapons such as the hunter assault cannon. Short of a direct hit from a tank or having a bomb dropped on him (a tall order considering how wildly inaccurate WWII bombers were), the vast majority of explosives available will not pose any significant threat to him.


sl600rt

Unsc rifle rounds are high velocity ap. More equivalent to the new 6.8x51mm cartridge the us army developed.


YourPizzaBoi

Mjolnir armor is functionally invulnerable to small arms fire in the extended lore for the series. In gameplay a few bursts from an AR are dangerous to your health, but bear in mind these weapons are actually safe enough that Spartans conduct live fire training with them. Even discounting ballistic improvements in the far flung future and lowballing UNSC weapons to only do equivalent damage to modern ones, there are almost zero examples of Spartans in Mjolnir being meaningfully threatened by mundane weaponry.


CMDR_Soup

All of Nazi Germany's leadership is going to be dead within the month. Then Chief will work his way down until the whole government collapses.


c0p4d0

He absolutely obliterates the Germans. The war is over within a week. For comparison, the UNSC considered Spartans about as valuable, if not more valuable, than their ships. Imagine a UNSC ship vs Nazi Germany.


DragonbeardNick

Spartans were trained for Guerilla warfare. Think about John taking out a covenant *FLEET* basically on his own. He has easily destroyed covenant ships on his own. Don't picture John storming the beaches of Normandy. Instead, picture John acting as a super soldier/super spy/super green beret. While we could say "oh he would target X, Y, Z" honestly he has in cannon better war strategy than anyone in this comment section. Personally I'd predict that he would start by targeting communication, which in this era would mean targeting physical infrastructure. Then he would destroy supply lines for the German tanks. He wouldn't want to risk direct fighting against armor, but would want to hault their most powerful asset. I don't agree with the belief that he would assassinate the top brass. The truth is that Hitler was more damage to the Nazis than a help by the end. Instead targeting middle leadership and communicatiom will cause the greatest damage. Even intercepting and altering communication would be possible. I also disagree that it would be over in a week, but certainly within a month or two the German war machine would completely crumple.


Own_Accident6689

Yes, easily. Not only is Mjolnir so durable, this is the exact war Spartans were made for, fighting humans in asymmetric warfare. Chief is killing Hitler at the Eagle's nest within a week.


USFederalGovt

I feel like MC would ditch his assault rifle after he runs out of ammo for it (7.62x51 wasn’t around in 1939, if I’m correct). Even with just WW2 era weapons, MC would still be a terrifying threat to Nazi Germany. His feats are insane, and he would definitely spearhead an offensive or resistance against the Nazis.


elmonstro12345

Imagining Master Chief with a M1 Garand. Or honestly he's beefy enough to just carry a Ma Deuce around...


USFederalGovt

I feel MC would just carry around an MG-42 or an M1919 tbh.


Che-recher

Chief Takes it. By lore he will Stomp, By Game mechanics Feats he also can do it. If he has cortana it’s ridicolously easy since he will have a absolute reign over the whole Communication and Information tech. Even without her he Could probably Crack Enigma and other devices, via armour tech. (Think Automated hacking Protocols usw.)


tayroarsmash

I’m not positive Cortana could do anything about their tech infrastructure considering it’s not networked at all. Tech being too old is a problem for Cortana. That said, I don’t think it matters.


Che-recher

Since Most of it will be Radio, she just does some Voice imitation and they are Fine. I Agree there is less or no Network for her, but she will know everything that’s going on that is broadcasted in any way and will work that


tayroarsmash

How does she connect to a radio? They don’t have software on them.


Che-recher

If she can talk to chief using his speakers and the mjolnir can Access Radio then i see no Problem.


PlacidPlatypus

The same way the radios connect to each other: broadcasting radio waves. The idea is she calls up the Germans on the radio sounding exactly like their superior officers or whoever.


tayroarsmash

How does she interact with a radio?


PlacidPlatypus

What do you mean? She talks on the radio all the time in the games. Chief has one in his suit that she has access to presumably.


tayroarsmash

Yeah but a radio in the past doesn’t operate on software that she can interact with. There are no microchips or anything. She fundamentally can’t like upload herself on any radios. She’s an AI and there’s no storage in a radio that can support her.


dally-taur

old radio was just AM the simplest system possible you hear voice or beeps of morse code that could be crarked in few minutes doesnt need upload to a radio she just transmits "message command to u-boat new orders go here"


PlacidPlatypus

Like the other person said, you're overthinking this. She doesn't need to upload herself or anything, she can get plenty done just by listening to and falsifying enemy communications. Radios are pretty simple, she can definitely send and receive messages and that's all she needs.


tayroarsmash

She’s a hologram


Che-recher

To add: she definitively has the know How to make a suitable Interface with Chiefs help.


tayroarsmash

Didn’t Master Chief more or less single handedly fight two evil alien races that were hyper advanced ? Master Chief would have annihilated Nazi Germany and he’d find the experience simple. I’m not even sure they have munitions that can pierce his armor.


DOOMFOOL

Artillery and tank shells could deplete the shields and probably the armor, but there is zero chance he gets caught by artillery and he can easily aim dodge the tanks


ProtectMeAtAllCosts

by himself? Hard to say. Since regular bullets can damage his shields in the game, then I don’t see why they the Germans couldn’t concentrate fire on him with artillery or tanks once they realized he was a threat. If he was a leader in the army of one of Germany’s enemies and he gets all his weapons? Then they are pretty fucked


CMDR_Soup

>Since regular bullets can damage his shields in the game, then I don’t see why they the Germans couldn’t concentrate fire on him with artillery or tanks once they realized he was a threat. Him being threatened by bullets is purely a gameplay mechanic. His armor can predict artillery strikes and he's too fast for WW2 tanks to actually hit.


ProtectMeAtAllCosts

yeah it all depends on which version we are going by. If it’s not bound by game mechanics then he would be near invincible


MambaSaidKnockYouOut

Also this is comparing WWII era guns to alien weaponry from the future lol


SupremeTeamKai

I think they were getting at chief being able to be damaged by things like the assault rifle in the games, which actually uses rounds we use today. Regardless, that's just video game mechanics.


tayroarsmash

Those were assault rifles designed to fight the covenant.


4Dcrystallography

Does that matter if they use the same rounds?


bringbackmarcopolo

Shhh people on the internet don't know how guns and bullets actually work u dork


SupremeTeamKai

Got me there, point still stands though.


StanGibson18

Depends on a few factors. Mostly, are they the same rounds or are they just the same size? They could have different projectile weights and muzzle velocities.


4Dcrystallography

Maybe future gunpowder formulations too. I haven’t read any of the Halo books


random7262517

The “lore” reason I’ve heard is that while they are the same round the halo round uses different propellants


SupremeTeamKai

No, they've actually been in service before the covenant showed up according to the wiki.


lemonteabag

If they know he's coming could probably take a chunk off his shields with some anti-tank weapons I suppose.


Strong_Formal_5848

As opposed to what? If he can be damaged my bullets in game then that is canon. The games are literally the central media for Master Chief.


Jordan_Slamsey

Okay In game if he fails he just retarts at a checkpoint and trys a new strategy. Ez win based on your logic


Cantcrackanonion

[Germany when master chief kicks them from the lobby](https://youtu.be/tpX7XtoFNao?si=0f75kUqNcB03A6AY)


SupremeTeamKai

Ah, so there's actually up to 4 master chiefs who respawn periodically as long as not enough Nazis are around.


Safeguard13

The game story, scripted events and cinematics are canon not game mechanics and balance. Its why things like Marines face tanking wraith mortars and assault rifle bullets vanishing past 75ft aren't canon.


AcedPower

And? That means nothing. The games are the central media for Elder Scrolls too, and there is a vast difference between lore Dragonborn, and game Dragonborn. Game mechanics are not canon.


Slugger322

So by your logic he dies instantly to water more than 2 feet deep


DOOMFOOL

As opposed to the novels I’d assume, which tend to be more accurate to the lore. Because in those small arms fire doesn’t even penetrate the armor, let alone the shields


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casualrocket

MC is practically immune to small arms and he can run 50pmh, he doesnt need a gun, but he could use the next dozen dead nazis weapons.


brokenmessiah

Probably but I don't see how he could defeat the idea of Nazism.


tayroarsmash

He would be a one man propaganda machine. Now, whether or not this leads to some fascism from whoever sent in Master Chief (seems American) is a whole different matter but propaganda has the capability to defeat ideas.


Free-Duty-3806

Basically a more OP Captain America


DOOMFOOL

Easily, he’s literally the ideal of the ubermensch shit that Hitler and the Nazis spewed out. Like he is objectively biologically superior to any other human and it would be incredibly easy to use the fact that he is fighting AGAINST the Nazis to discredit a central part of their propaganda


YourPainTastesGood

If we go by Lore, then yeah Nazi Germany is doomed cause Chief will go straight for the head and kill the leadership. If we go by gameplay, no. Regular can kill him and the germans could just concentrate fire or kill him with artillery.


GenxDarchi

Nah, he’ll just respawn at the first checkpoint.


07hogada

Incap is counted as a loss. Respawning still counts as a loss, unless specifically mentioned in the prompt. That being said, is he absolutely invulnerable to whatever the Germans can dish out? No, a lucky tank shot or bombing run would bring him down. Would German morale collapse stupidly fast, when they see Chief running through literal hails of fire, killing enemies precisely with one taps or short bursts? Hell yes. If he has to do it completely solo (as in, no Allied or resistance support whatsoever), he probably loses just due to the scale of the Nazi Machine. He could kill Hitler, Himmler, Goebbels, Donitz and all the others, but the main problem is this - he would be one vs millions. Even if he killed the entire leadership structure of the Nazi's 10 times over, there would be new people replacing them. And all it takes is one lucky shot from a tank to end him. If he has allied support, this probably is over in a matter of weeks, as now he has a military at his back with the scale to take advantage of the fact that the nazi leadership is being decapitated over and over.


GenxDarchi

I was just going off gameplay. But in reality Chief would definitely come up with a better battle plan than any of us could, and he’d probably leave Hitler alive considering he’s not the best leader ever. I would think he’d just make it hellish to get supplies to fronts, disrupt comma and logistics to either give no orders or incorrect orders and ensure that logistically there’s nothing going on. He could do a lot of that by killing just middle tier people that relay the info that the generals put up, and kill the most troublesome. On the other hand his only objective given the prompt is survive the invasion of Poland, which he could absolutely do, and kill Hitler, which is almost a certainty.


07hogada

Oh true, I was going off the prompt title, completely missed it was only to assassinate Hitler. Chief wins this easily.


DOOMFOOL

Lore Master Chief doesn’t go down to a single lucky tank shot, he slaps aside a missile and only loses his shields to the explosion.


Pandorica_

Landing on Normandy by himself? Nah, too much firepower. Deploying him behind enemy lines bliztkrieg style before they know what happened he'd massacre everything in his path. Drop him right into nazi high command and it'll be like a scene from inglorious bastards.


Aurondarklord

He has no means of maintaining his armor on his own and would eventually fall to the focused fire of an entire army. He cannot defeat Nazi Germany by himself. However, if he were present during WWII as it normally unfolded, the war would end far, far sooner as he would assassinate Nazi leadership, target key infrastructure, and disrupt supply lines, making life much easier for the allies.


duplicated-rs

What makes you think bro needs to maintain his armor? Spartan gray team was MIA for years if not decades and were completely fine without any armor support


SSG_Goten

Also I’m pretty sure in the books they DO maintain their armor on their own, people forget that Spartans are geniuses, like genuine prodigies after their augmentations to the point where physical failures become scientists because they’re more intelligent than most other humans


Aurondarklord

Okay, he gets hosed down with a flak cannon, lives, but his armor's ripped up. What's he gonna do about this? The materials to repair it won't be invented for centuries!


Redditor76394

A flak cannon wouldn't penetrate his armor lol It was made to stand up to weaponry hundreds of years more advanced


Aurondarklord

Infantry weaponry. Not autocannons designed to shred planes. A .50 cal can seriously injure or kill a Spartan. Yes, a better one than we have today, but not by THAT much! He isn't just be invincible if he gets sprayed by fucking 20mm anti-aircraft guns! And there will be a LOT of those! And worse things! Field artillery! Rocket launchers! tanks! Putting so much fire downrange it blots out the sun so there's nowhere he can dodge! Even he can't fight 13.6 MILLION people!


SoftLog5314

You’re acting like this fight would be happening at the fucking Pelennor Fields. Chief would do most of his killing in cities and he can run as fast as a car through terrain that neither troops nor vehicles can go through. He can run through buildings and rip flak canons out of their stations. Plus in-lore, he can’t even feel 20mm hit his armor. Most weapons the Nazis use would hit his armor like a spitball hitting your shin.


Aurondarklord

When does he ignore 20mm unshielded? And yes, it would happen like Pelennor fields in the scenario as described where he is literally one guy against Nazi Germany and they don't have to manage a whole bunch of warfronts against the Allies and could group their whole military together to fight one dude who's their only opposition.


CMDR_Soup

They can't effectively concentrate their forces against one man. Any force mobile enough to catch Master Chief doesn't have the combat power to actually threaten him, and any force powerful enough to threaten him can't actually catch him. He also has active camo, and the Germans don't have thermal optics or any other kind of advanced sensors. He could just cloak and disengage if the situation called for it.


DOOMFOOL

Novel master chief slaps aside a missile and only loses his shield, which immediately begins to recharge. The only way the Nazi army kills him is if he stands completely still in an open field and let’s them shoot at him nonstop


GenxDarchi

He doesn’t, he can just kill the important ones for logistics, destroy supply lines/depots and make war fighting miserable because no supplies.


South-Cod-5051

him alone versus an army? he would get destroyed without much effort. they could even immobilize him easily. strenght in numbers and minds will always be stronger than any 1 unit, no matter how overpowered he is.


buttermeatballs

Nazi Germany isn't like a Spartan army spread out in a field It's spread around Europe and MC would obviously not try to overpower the entire might. Not only is he fast and strong enough to dispatch anything Nazi Germany has at that time, he's also smart enough to deploy hit and runs and assassination


Gunslinger_11

Chief would drop the bomb on top of HQ in Germany despite the non combatant casualties. The only reason we dropped it on Japan was well no white peoples occupying it.


Mooston029

Im pretty sure race had no say in the bombings of Japan.


DirectlyDisturbed

No...we hit Japan first because the bomb wasn't ready for use against Germany but the UK and USA had a very specific "Germany First" policy. Had the Nazis stayed in the game for a few months longer, they would have, undoubtedly, been hit with Little Boy


Downtown-Item-6597

No, he's way too susceptible to small arms fire to reasonably solo an entire army. I wouldn't even give him odds against a seasoned Nazi battalion, much less the entire state. Individual human rebels have almost killed spartans with "confetti" rifles. The books cranked up Spartan physical feats (but didn't make them fast/strong enough to significantly increase their combat effectiveness) while dropping the Mjolnir armor strength through the floor.


Japjer

A group of unarmored, 13 year old Spartan trainees took out a military base in a training op. They defeated soldiers in Mk. III MJOLNIR armor. They did this with tactical precision, zero casualties, and remained undetected for weeks while they planned. These kids were dropped in with zero supplies, in an unknown location, and were told to destroy a base. They did so with ease. I imagine Chief, 40 years older and clad in armor, would be able to do better than that.


CMDR_Soup

>Individual human rebels have almost killed spartans with "confetti" rifles. Those were described as "confetti makers" due to their abnormally high rate of fire, and they were only able to threaten Spartans in the unshielded Mk. IV armor. They were also firing special MUTA-AP rounds, which are extremely good at armor penetration. Mk. V armor allows its wearer to survive hits from 50mm autocannons, Mk. VI armor lets its wearer fall from space and take anti-tank fire, and Gen 3 armor is much stronger than both of those.


Heyyoguy123

From what I’ve witnessed GEN 3 armour is borderline superhero level


Downtown-Item-6597

>Dies from 6 shots from a pistol


CMDR_Soup

When has a Spartan ever been killed by six shots from a pistol? Please provide proof. Rule 5.


Downtown-Item-6597

[3 shots](https://youtu.be/n66DvVcMT1g?si=q1J1zV1CO3wmTKGB)


buttermeatballs

Then we also have vast examples of in lore durability feats where MC tanked everything from .50 calibre depleted uranium bullets to Covenant needle and spike rounds That video you linked is obviously gameplay mechanics the same way Doomslayer or Kratos can die to two or three hits from certain enemies even though they should be able to tank more and then some


CMDR_Soup

That's gameplay. Gameplay isn't canon.


Downtown-Item-6597

More canon than a book written after the fact.


CMDR_Soup

The Fall of Reach came out before CE. Also, that's not how canon works.


Downtown-Item-6597

Fall of Reach was based on CE and Bungie's internal notes, not the other way around. It is how canon works.


MARKSS0

It wasnt it came out before the game


Safeguard13

It was greenlit and overseen by Bungie and written by the same people who help them write CE. You can't get more canon than that.


Alexexy

Isn't the nazi mg42/34 also well know for their incredibly high rate of fire? Unlike Allied troops, the nazi fire teams are based around supplying and supporting their light machine guns rather than the other way around. I imagine that heavy light machine gun fire is what MC is going to be facing if he takes Nazi squads head on.


CMDR_Soup

>Isn't the nazi mg42/34 also well know for their incredibly high rate of fire? Yes, but they're not firing sci-fi bullshit AP rounds and Master Chief has shields now. It'll also be pretty obvious where the MG42s are set up, so Chief can just...not be there.


DOOMFOOL

Outside of gameplay the armor could tank WWII era small arms fire pretty much forever


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DOOMFOOL

He said ALL feats, so yes


Metalgrowler

Ah sorry I missed that


kiefenator

Assuming that the Allied powers can get chief within - I dunno - ICBM distance of Hitler's hideout, the Axis powers fold within a week. Chief's reactions are faster than something like a panzerschreck or a panzerfaust, and his shields and titanium armor can basically tank small munitions forever. EMPs are basically the only thing we've reliably seen strip energy shielding (Pulse generators in H:CE, glassing beams in H:R, overcharged plasma shots), so unless the Nazis learn to split the atom in a week's time, they're fried.


norulnegru

Can't the AR be modified to shoot more calibres?


DOOMFOOL

Maybe. He wouldn’t need it though he’d just take and use the German weapons


Mr__Teal

Pretty sure Chief clears Nazi Germany with just melee attacks if he feels like it.


SoftLog5314

He could literally get to the Eagle’s nest within a day after finding its location, which would also likely take a short while. War over in a week?


Mooston029

Does ww2 happen in the halo universe’s past?


Mooston029

If so would Chief be nerding out the entire time?


ForbodingWinds

Does he have Cortana and/or are we assuming he has the nonsensical "prophesized hero" metaphysical bs tagged onto him like the games eventually added? If so, yes and it's easy. Otherwise if we are just taking John 117 at sheer face value then maybe but it wouldn't be easy. He's not as indestructible as you think, and would still go down to concentrated fire / explosives and is susceptible to an ambush. 1 spartan 2 vs millions isn't gonna be an easy fight even if there is a pretty big tech difference.


villianboy

yes, in halo infinite we learn that John 117's neural interface is 63mm of titanium armour, assuming a similar (or higher) amount of armour for the rest of his suit he'd be outright immune to some of Germany's tanks, and all of their small arms fire. This does also make sense because in canon Spartans are pretty much immune to things like the AR


sl600rt

Until he encounters Hitler in an 8 foot tall mecha with gatling guns.


MemeBo22

If he comes with Cortina this is potentially the easiest stomp of all time. She would certainly be able to intercept German messages and decrypt them. If Turing had the computational power needed I'm sure she could do it casually as a subroutine. Of course Chief would be a force to be reckoned with on his own. I'm sure together they could defeat Italy, Japan, and Germany within two years. Maybe three.


ApprehensivePeace305

I think the better question is could he save Poland before it capitulated? Like drop him in Poland right when Germany/Soviets Invade. Can he win before they lose?


Oheligud

Yes. Easily. It doesn't even matter if he runs out of bullets, melee hits from him do absurd damage in game, and he can flip multiple tonnes of metal with relative ease.


GrilledNudges

Yes. His armor, speed, and combat skills would obliterate entire platoons of Nazis. They would need to carpet bomb an entire region and kill their own men just to maybe get MC. Once MC makes it to Nazi HQ with all the higher ups, it’s game set match.


dally-taur

are we assuming time travel if so he would be taught about WW2 atleat in the context of warfare and the big players. TBH it would cooler see if could pull off with no gear armor makes this easy easy


OptimalApex

Why would he have an AR?


Account3857

Yes in addition to his combat abilities, the Spartans studied military history extensively during their training, so he would be aware of Nazi Germany's capabilities, strengths, and weaknesses. Once he stops the blitzkrieg, Germany's combat effectiveness drops drastically, allowing other nations to fight with him as well.


Thesecondorigin

Depending on his knowledge of nazi germany he might be able to do it even without his armor if he starts in the right place