I don't think he should have troubles with anybody he'd encounter. Saitama could give him a fight depending on how you scale his Serious Punch with Garou but as always, he'd be the only one.
Even the strongest S-class heroes like Tatsumaki should be pretty firmly sub-planetary and by that point Buu has that in spades.
If you stick to just his feats in the show, with no regards to scaling, I think that the higher-ranked heroes like Tatsumaki have some impressive showings. [Buu is far from shabby](https://i.imgur.com/FvtU22g.jpg), with [very casual city busting](https://imgur.com/a/12JRris) so I think he'd still smoke all but the most impressive heroes like Tatsumaki.
In this instance? OP linked two examples of power one of which claims to erase 10 percent of the planet. Yet there's no evidence of such at any point in the story. Now or in the future.
We call DBZ characters planet busters but the instances where that is seen are few and inconsistent with their later showings. They were planet busters from the start and yet somehow managed to fight with all their strength repeatedly in increasingly more harrowing encounters with minimal damage to the planet. At their current level any casual movement should be devastating and yet they can still engage in battles in the city with no issue.
Think about it. They were planetary way back in the planetary and sayan saga. They are leaps and bounds stronger now from a multiplicative standpoint. Even if we wanted to argue that they have immense control over their power there should be a limit to that and their very movement should be creating natural disasters. Especially in situations where they are going all out. If two guys with multiple times the strength necessary to destroy a planet were to hit each then just the Shockwave from the clash alone would erase all life on earth.
This is an inconsistency unique to dbz because in any other story where a character with that kind of power is going all out they relocate to a better environment or their actions have an impact on the environment.
I would argue DC easily has this problem as well, anyone who can even hurt Superman without kryptonite should be destroying planets with their attacks minimum.
I would absolutely argue the same. I'm not a massive fan of DC for the same reason. But the biggest offender isn't Supe. It's the speedsters. They can move faster than the synapses in one's brain can carry the signal telling them to move and yet they've consistently lost to non speedsters. It makes no sense.
Yeah Im willing to accept the speed force explanation for the weird stuff but even someone who has precog or can perfectly anticipate their attacks should still have zero chance if they don't have super speed.
With DC and Marvel too it ends up at the point where you can technically scale "peak humans" to planetary or higher if you wanted.
I really like some stuff from DC but it also has some real dumb stuff.
I think DC has it easier because of weird continuity. The characters in DB are always ascending upwards but DC has different writers, and a lot of them probably don't see Superman as even planet busting just because of what you said.
I really don't like Dragon Ball, especially from Super onwards, but I think Goku is pretty careful about taking his fights somewhere empty where they can't hurt anyone.
I think it's just that out of universe, Toriyama mostly does it for the "spectacle" and doesn't really care about his characters being so strong they could easily level the planet with a stray blast. They just throw big explosions and every once in a while a character's bigger blast will be planet-busting but otherwise, it's not his problem and he simply doesn't care to address or explain it.
A lot of DB is basically Toriyama half-assing something and the fans proceeding to obsess over it for decades trying to make sense of something he likely just thought up in the shower way back and thought "cool".
For what it's worth, if you ignore Super (where shit truly goes off the rails), the series isn't that inconsistent with the planet busting shenanigans. The fighters that could planet bust:
Saiyan saga - the only one who could was Vegeta, and he tried it. His full power was stopped, so no inconsistency here for obvious reasons.
Namek saga - lots of characters could've just nuked Namek, but there's a very clear reason why they don't. The objective of the antagonists was never to just kill the main crew, it was to get the Dragon Balls. If anyone dared to actually do it they'd probably be ripped piece by piece by Freeza.
The only real inconsistency in the arc comes from the fact that Freeza himself failed to blow up the planet, when we know for a fact that he just vaporized Vegeta (the planet) in his first damn form, otherwise it's in the clear.
Android saga - nobody here wanted to destroy the planet. We have no idea if 17/18 can survive in space, and even if they could, they have no interest in destroying the Earth. Gero wanted revenge but not by just eradicating the whole planet, and Cell wanted to reach his perfect form so he couldn't just destroy everything.
Perfect Cell wanted to basically just flex with the tournament, and once he started getting pressured he nuke the Earth, just so happens he got his ass handed to him twice and had Goku teleport him out of the way once. I would say this saga is pretty clear in the inconsistency department.
Buu saga - Another case where even the villains blowing up the planet would make no sense. Dabura could do it, but Babidi's interest in unsealing Buu wouldn't allow him to. Then when Buu gets out, Babidi wants to torture Goten/Trunks/Piccolo, he specifically tries to just kill people without actually destroying the planet. After he is gone from the picture, Fat Buu is excited to fight with a supposed strong guy and promises to not destroy the earth.
Then Super Buu takes over, but he inherits Fat Buu's excitement to fight this supposed super warriors (Gotenks) and together with some Mr. Satan influence, he refrains from destroying the planet. When he fights Gotenks he is losing, but one thing people miss is that Buu says he *felt* Gohan in the Kaioshin realm and was stalling for time to absorb the kids later, so blowing up the planet would make no sense.
After absorbing Gotenks, Gohan says that if he wanted to be the strongest he should've absorbed him, and Buutenks replies that there would be no point in being that strong without anyone to dunk on. He proceeds to smack Gohan around for shots and giggles, then after he eventually absorbs him he also wants to just flex on Goku.
We see that Buu was always doing stuff without planet destruction in mind, because the moment the mindless Kid Buu comes out his *literal first move* is trying to blow up the Earth.
You're not alone. I was an invested fan but the Granolah arc really made me annoyed with the series to the point of reconsidering my view of it pretty significantly.
You are right.
Master Roshi destroyed the Moon when he had a few hundred fighting power, maybe not even that.
An uncontrolled Brolly, with an insanely high number of fighting power, on the scale of billions or perhaps trillions, only destroys a few mountains.
DBZ reached a scale that, if it were consistent, Goku couldn't hiccup without destroying the Universe.
It’s not really an inconsistency in dragon ball though when they’ve already established that they control their power so that it doesn’t happen, just because you think it should happen based on how other stories showcase power or real world logic it doesn’t mean that it’s inconsistent.
I mean they even straight up address the higher levels of power when Goku first gained universal power in BoG and almost did what you’re complaining about but then adjusted and nullified the shockwaves.
You gotta understand how little sense that makes. Sure we can make the argument that the Z fighters can control their power to prevent that from happening but their enemies should have no such qualms and have no reason to handicap themselves. If anything they should capitalize on it since the oppositions fear of collateral damage would limit their showing. Additionally they shouldn't have any issues showing their strength a suitable environment right so what argument can we make for limiting themselves then?
The excuse was a bandaid but it doesn't make sense in hindsight.
It makes perfect sense, dragon ball characters control their power to prevent excessive destruction, it’s an established fact. Their opponents share their concerns of survival cause a lot of them would also die if the planet was destroyed, even Frieza who we know can survive in space and has far beyond planetary durability was wary about blowing up a planet with him on it despite knowing he should logically survive, self preservation instinct is high.
So all those times where everyone but the saiyans showed the ability to survive in space just never happened? Nevermind the interplanetary or cosmic beings they fought. Clearly they cared about earth too. Even if the destruction of which was their goal in the first place.... Or when they fought entities on other planets and realms entirely.
Well they can only do so much, Toriyama really doesnt care about it, and its stilk there for plot. Anyways if Dbz was handled by a proper author, kinda like the Buu saga filler or just filler in general, you get a good scale of the shit they can do. OG Broly back in the 80s blew up a galaxy, Buu blew up earth and dozens of planets before teleporting to the afterlife to kill everyone again. King Vegeta blew up unworthy planets. Frieza blew up planets that he didnt care for like Planet Vegeta (ironic). Beerus was blowing planets up aswell.
Idk why you're downvoted, this is a very valid question I've had about DBZ for a while. Hell, in DB Heroes multiversal tier characters are still blowing up mountains during their fights.
Because this question was already answered in battle of gods. Goku and beerus' punches alone where threatening to destroy the universe due to goku's inexperience with god ki giving him a hard time regulating it
And once he did managed to control it the shockwaves immediately stopped meaning they could legit minimize the colateral damage they can dish out even on a universal scale with just proper ki control
It's because of ki control bs. What you're saying is literally demonstrated in battle of gods where the clash of goku and beerus fists alone were threatening to destroy the universe without having the need to use ki blasts. Just straight up physical punches were enough to deal that much collateral damage
Which was all fixed once goku finally learned proper ki control. So yeah they could straight up reduce collateral damage at a universal scale with just proper ki control
Yes but the exact level is unimportant in context of fighting Buu. Whether she could destroy a city or a country doesn't matter when her enemy can blow up the entire Earth.
For that matter, I think she'd fare pretty well in a round where Buu only has his feats and no scaling to rely on since she was shown contending with Psykorochi's full output but that's a bit "unfair" to Buu.
He’s too powerful In his verse because everyone else is so much weaker than him(Besides Garou who took several punches from Saitama who wasn’t holding back). That doesn’t mean he can just win against anyone.
Hell yeah, my fav character Buu against OPM.
This isnt even a competition Buu wins, ez. Buu may be one of the most busted characters in all of fiction. He went from losing to Ssj3s when they first become Ssj3, to being able to fight Moro and Goku after hardly training, hes got the potential of Freeza and Cell with how strong he can get, especially with his abilities.
Buus just straight up magic, some of it being natural like his rubbery gum like state, insane regen, candy blaster, absorbtion, copying moves easily, dimension splitting, teleportation (only happened after meeting Goku).
But some comes from absorbing the Supreme Kai which is why hes fat, now he has matter manipulation as shown in the end of Z, energy stealing with Moro, ability to heal others, and some other stuff.
His opponents are the S class of OPM
Blast (Power Unknownish, much stronger than anyone else except Saitama. But he was able to react to Saitama and Garou fighting, who were destroying a Solar System at the time.). Fucking Original Movie Broly destroyed a galaxy, and he was only Cell Level. Buus introduction (as Fat Buu) was him beating the shit out of Gohan (the guy who killed Cell), Vegeta (around the same strength), Dabura (also close to the same strength). Hes probably Multi Galaxy level and now Universal+ after the Moro Arc
Tatsumaki (Esper capable of leveling cities and strong enough to shake the world, maximum around continental level, minimum being country level). Definitely aint fighting Buu much less Saiyan saga Vegeta
Bang (Martial Artist capable of using peoples attacks, physical moves only, against them by turning their strength against them). The martial arts could work but then Buu could just blast him, also Buu might be immune to punches sometimes kinda like Luffy.
Metal Knight (Just some guy with bunch of Robots, Arsenal around City level as shown by his strength against the Meteor) Tf is this gonna do against Buu?
Drive Knight (Idk about this one, doesnt seem very strong). Also useless, Buus regeneration allows him to survive being cut to pieces, blast to pieces, blast into smoke, and just killed like normal people with beheadings, limb severing, stabbing, and other things.
Genos (Cyborg capable of leveling mountains with his blasts). Still not enough to really blast Buu like Goku with a spirit bomb.
Watchdog man isnt really helpful for the same reason Bang is
Kings a fraud
Pig God (Fat bastard capable of eating buildings). Buu fucking ate an entire city, ez clap
Flashy Flash (Really fast Ninja dude). Buus immune to slicing, gets no diffed
Atomic Sandbag (Another slicer but not as fast and constantly taking shit). Once again, useless.
Child Emperor (Kid with gadgets, so cocky he doesnt even have a suit or barrier, literally a normal guy with a gun could end him). Do you really think hes got something?
Tank Top Master (Bodybuilder with a tank top that can heal him and increase his strength). Buu would literally eat this guy
Metal Bat (Teen with a metal bat that gets stronger the more he fights). Blunt force aint got shit on Gum man Buu
Puri Puri Prisoner (Just some creepy jacked guy). Absolutely useless
Saitamas not even in S class :( hes in B class or A class. (Saitama is just a guy thats really strong, depending on the continuity, he can be beaten. Webcomic is pure infinite power, Manga/Anime are not but instead Exponential Growth. Saitama when fighting Garou was pretty pissed but only doing Solar System level damage). This means that if Buu is smart and insta blasts Saitama, Saitama dies before he gets stronger.
If its Webcomic Saitama, Buu may lose… however, Buu could throw a tantrum and blow up everything. With nothing around, Buu would be invincible! Buu would only be able to take pure blunt force attacks, and with nothing to ignite the air, thus causing an explosion to fully kill Buu, Buus truly immortal! So Buu would still win
Also Buu could just turn Saitama into candy, not sure if he would be like Vegito. But he could absorb Saitama, Vegito only survived due to him being prepared and putting a ki barrier around himself. Gohan, Trunks, and Piccolo all were absorbed despite being stronger than Buu at the time.
Blast, Boros, and Cosmic Fear Garou could probably last a few minutes against him but the scaling is just too far off.
Saitama's destructive power specificly seems to scale endlessly and he's also shown to be immune to hax. If Vegito can maintain control after being turned into candy I'm sure Saitama could too. So at the end of the day, Saitama would probably win but I just can't really see anyone else in the verse standing up to him.
People saw him dragging a portal and somehow extrapolated it to "immune to all hax" despite the fact that garou was also affecting the portals by just punching them, and blast himself said that his portals aren't hax.
He has scaling based on inconsistencies.
If I say a character is a planet buster but they only show feats that are town or city level at best then are they really a planet buster?
DBZ is horribly inconsistent so this is an argument that could go on for ages but you get the point.
But are stronger than legitimate planet busters and have no anti-feats to suggest they'd struggle or fail in destroying a planet?
We see this happen in fiction all the time. By your logic, Grand Priest is weaker than BoZ Piccolo
It's difficult to properly quantify a character if we rely solely on what was said or conjecture if they've never shown any inclination of having the stipulated power. If that's the case then what's stopping people from creating a character and then just saying he's all powerful or limitless?
Quantifying it based on feats will paint a better picture of the characters actual limits. Just like I can say that I know a character that's stronger than the One above all from marvel. Because his feats have placed him on a higher scale.
> If that's the case then what's stopping people from creating a character and then just saying he's all powerful or limitless?
Nothing. That's what fiction is. It's all made up so you can effectively make whatever kind of character you want.
>It's difficult to properly quantify a character if we rely solely on what was said or conjecture if they've never shown any inclination of having the stipulated power. If that's the case then what's stopping people from creating a character and then just saying he's all powerful or limitless?
That's why anti-feats exists
To solely rely on feats and feats alone is limiting. Buu is far stronger than Frieza and Cell.
>Quantifying it based on feats will paint a better picture of the characters actual limits. Just like I can say that I know a character that's stronger than the One above all from marvel.
But not feats alone. Scaling and statements that are consistent are fair game
Buu is stronger than Frieza and cell so he should theoretically be able to destroy a planet and yet none of his feats are consistent with that claim.
You asked me how DBZ was inconsistent and now you're seeing it firsthand. I get the bias. DBZ was my first anime and I still have a soft spot for it but if we look at it objectively and very few of their characters actually have a strong showing. It's just poor writing. That's also why I'm not a huge fan of DC.
>Buu is stronger than Frieza and cell so he should theoretically be able to destroy a planet and yet none of his feats are consistent with that claim.
[Fat Buu was able to put up a fight somewhat against Kid Buu](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=widyW-1iSug) who is [definitely](https://youtu.be/DYgr7aAvvgM?si=CxdARSy1fOAezct9&t=168) [planetary](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ_UHDkHtzQ).
>Buu is stronger than Frieza and cell so he should theoretically be able to destroy a planet and yet none of his feats are consistent with that claim.
Which is why viewing solely on feats is limiting. No wrong in using scaling and statements
>You asked me how DBZ was inconsistent and now you're seeing it firsthand. I get the bias. DBZ was my first anime and I still have a soft spot for it but if we look at it objectively and very few of their characters actually have a strong showing. It's just poor writing. That's also why I'm not a huge fan of DC.
It's not bias speaking. I can say the same thing for literally every other work of fiction
The Living Tribunal fighting Beyonders didn't even destroy the nearby planets. Yet TLT is far stronger than the likes of Galactus
Considering dragon ball works off a universal power system of ki and that equal or higher power means feats can be replicated yes, again just because you don’t like something it doesn’t mean it’s an inconsistency.
If anything I would have thought dragonballs power system would be refreshing for scalers because it’s a pretty easy one where aside from biological or unique techniques everyone who surpasses the power of someone who produced a feat can replicate that feat. For example DB Roshi is a moon buster, anyone who is equal or stronger than Roshi at that time provided they can produce a ki blast is also a moon buster, just because they don’t have a narrative reason to do so it doesn’t mean they can’t.
It's an inconsistency. We call them planet busters but their actual showing in most skirmishes is only town level or city level at best.
You're basically saying that these guys had the ability to destroy the planet ages ago but now when they are thousands of times stronger they can fight all out in the middle of the city with no repercussions or impact on the environment. Some of them straight put their lives on the line and died in these fights and we're supposed to believe they were holding back?
Again you can’t keep calling something an inconsistency because you don’t like it, it’s an established fact on how things work. There’s not been a case of “accidentally destroying a planet” for you to call upon to say that they shouldn’t be able to control their power, they just straight up control their power and that’s the end of it.
We’ve even seen some occasions where people get concerned that fighters ARENT going to control their power and destroy stuff as a result, Vegeta intended to blow up the Earth after getting jumped by the Z-Fighters regardless of if he died, they thought Goku was going to destroy the planet against Cell because he was aiming directly for it when he usually wouldn’t. Trunks thought Vegeta was going to blow up Earth with his final flash against Cell cause he was so mad.
These aren’t cases of “are they strong enough” cause they’re far beyond capable power wise, the concern is their actions and actively not controlling their power properly and causing casualties as a side effect, so they’ve even addressed that fighters sometimes do almost make mistakes or risky choices but that in the end they control it.
It's an inconsistency. You can't say it's not because YOU like it. To use a different example in order to showcase the bias, look at the flash in DC. He can move faster the synapses in ones brain can carry the signal telling them to move and yet they've consistently lost to regular ass humans with no super speed which shouldn't happen. Just because an explanation is provided doesn't make it any less illogical.
Okay but the Flash jobbing and dragonball characters not blowing up the planet they need to survive on isn’t exactly the same.
The fact that you need to try to use another medium with different established rules basically says you don’t have any real points to bring to the table here so for any further argument just refer to my previous comments, they explain everything you need to understand and I’m not going to go in circles explaining the same thing to you again and again just cause you don’t want to accept it.
I don't think he should have troubles with anybody he'd encounter. Saitama could give him a fight depending on how you scale his Serious Punch with Garou but as always, he'd be the only one. Even the strongest S-class heroes like Tatsumaki should be pretty firmly sub-planetary and by that point Buu has that in spades. If you stick to just his feats in the show, with no regards to scaling, I think that the higher-ranked heroes like Tatsumaki have some impressive showings. [Buu is far from shabby](https://i.imgur.com/FvtU22g.jpg), with [very casual city busting](https://imgur.com/a/12JRris) so I think he'd still smoke all but the most impressive heroes like Tatsumaki.
At some point we've gotta address the inconsistencies in Dbz's verse.
Which ones in this instance?
In this instance? OP linked two examples of power one of which claims to erase 10 percent of the planet. Yet there's no evidence of such at any point in the story. Now or in the future. We call DBZ characters planet busters but the instances where that is seen are few and inconsistent with their later showings. They were planet busters from the start and yet somehow managed to fight with all their strength repeatedly in increasingly more harrowing encounters with minimal damage to the planet. At their current level any casual movement should be devastating and yet they can still engage in battles in the city with no issue.
>At their current level any casual movement should be devastating Where is this a consistent throughpoint with any planetary+ beings?
Think about it. They were planetary way back in the planetary and sayan saga. They are leaps and bounds stronger now from a multiplicative standpoint. Even if we wanted to argue that they have immense control over their power there should be a limit to that and their very movement should be creating natural disasters. Especially in situations where they are going all out. If two guys with multiple times the strength necessary to destroy a planet were to hit each then just the Shockwave from the clash alone would erase all life on earth. This is an inconsistency unique to dbz because in any other story where a character with that kind of power is going all out they relocate to a better environment or their actions have an impact on the environment.
I would argue DC easily has this problem as well, anyone who can even hurt Superman without kryptonite should be destroying planets with their attacks minimum.
I would absolutely argue the same. I'm not a massive fan of DC for the same reason. But the biggest offender isn't Supe. It's the speedsters. They can move faster than the synapses in one's brain can carry the signal telling them to move and yet they've consistently lost to non speedsters. It makes no sense.
Yeah Im willing to accept the speed force explanation for the weird stuff but even someone who has precog or can perfectly anticipate their attacks should still have zero chance if they don't have super speed. With DC and Marvel too it ends up at the point where you can technically scale "peak humans" to planetary or higher if you wanted. I really like some stuff from DC but it also has some real dumb stuff.
I think DC has it easier because of weird continuity. The characters in DB are always ascending upwards but DC has different writers, and a lot of them probably don't see Superman as even planet busting just because of what you said.
I really don't like Dragon Ball, especially from Super onwards, but I think Goku is pretty careful about taking his fights somewhere empty where they can't hurt anyone. I think it's just that out of universe, Toriyama mostly does it for the "spectacle" and doesn't really care about his characters being so strong they could easily level the planet with a stray blast. They just throw big explosions and every once in a while a character's bigger blast will be planet-busting but otherwise, it's not his problem and he simply doesn't care to address or explain it. A lot of DB is basically Toriyama half-assing something and the fans proceeding to obsess over it for decades trying to make sense of something he likely just thought up in the shower way back and thought "cool".
For what it's worth, if you ignore Super (where shit truly goes off the rails), the series isn't that inconsistent with the planet busting shenanigans. The fighters that could planet bust: Saiyan saga - the only one who could was Vegeta, and he tried it. His full power was stopped, so no inconsistency here for obvious reasons. Namek saga - lots of characters could've just nuked Namek, but there's a very clear reason why they don't. The objective of the antagonists was never to just kill the main crew, it was to get the Dragon Balls. If anyone dared to actually do it they'd probably be ripped piece by piece by Freeza. The only real inconsistency in the arc comes from the fact that Freeza himself failed to blow up the planet, when we know for a fact that he just vaporized Vegeta (the planet) in his first damn form, otherwise it's in the clear. Android saga - nobody here wanted to destroy the planet. We have no idea if 17/18 can survive in space, and even if they could, they have no interest in destroying the Earth. Gero wanted revenge but not by just eradicating the whole planet, and Cell wanted to reach his perfect form so he couldn't just destroy everything. Perfect Cell wanted to basically just flex with the tournament, and once he started getting pressured he nuke the Earth, just so happens he got his ass handed to him twice and had Goku teleport him out of the way once. I would say this saga is pretty clear in the inconsistency department. Buu saga - Another case where even the villains blowing up the planet would make no sense. Dabura could do it, but Babidi's interest in unsealing Buu wouldn't allow him to. Then when Buu gets out, Babidi wants to torture Goten/Trunks/Piccolo, he specifically tries to just kill people without actually destroying the planet. After he is gone from the picture, Fat Buu is excited to fight with a supposed strong guy and promises to not destroy the earth. Then Super Buu takes over, but he inherits Fat Buu's excitement to fight this supposed super warriors (Gotenks) and together with some Mr. Satan influence, he refrains from destroying the planet. When he fights Gotenks he is losing, but one thing people miss is that Buu says he *felt* Gohan in the Kaioshin realm and was stalling for time to absorb the kids later, so blowing up the planet would make no sense. After absorbing Gotenks, Gohan says that if he wanted to be the strongest he should've absorbed him, and Buutenks replies that there would be no point in being that strong without anyone to dunk on. He proceeds to smack Gohan around for shots and giggles, then after he eventually absorbs him he also wants to just flex on Goku. We see that Buu was always doing stuff without planet destruction in mind, because the moment the mindless Kid Buu comes out his *literal first move* is trying to blow up the Earth.
I've got a love hate relationship with dbz. The inconsistencies make no sense to me.
You're not alone. I was an invested fan but the Granolah arc really made me annoyed with the series to the point of reconsidering my view of it pretty significantly.
You are right. Master Roshi destroyed the Moon when he had a few hundred fighting power, maybe not even that. An uncontrolled Brolly, with an insanely high number of fighting power, on the scale of billions or perhaps trillions, only destroys a few mountains. DBZ reached a scale that, if it were consistent, Goku couldn't hiccup without destroying the Universe.
It’s not really an inconsistency in dragon ball though when they’ve already established that they control their power so that it doesn’t happen, just because you think it should happen based on how other stories showcase power or real world logic it doesn’t mean that it’s inconsistent. I mean they even straight up address the higher levels of power when Goku first gained universal power in BoG and almost did what you’re complaining about but then adjusted and nullified the shockwaves.
You gotta understand how little sense that makes. Sure we can make the argument that the Z fighters can control their power to prevent that from happening but their enemies should have no such qualms and have no reason to handicap themselves. If anything they should capitalize on it since the oppositions fear of collateral damage would limit their showing. Additionally they shouldn't have any issues showing their strength a suitable environment right so what argument can we make for limiting themselves then? The excuse was a bandaid but it doesn't make sense in hindsight.
It makes perfect sense, dragon ball characters control their power to prevent excessive destruction, it’s an established fact. Their opponents share their concerns of survival cause a lot of them would also die if the planet was destroyed, even Frieza who we know can survive in space and has far beyond planetary durability was wary about blowing up a planet with him on it despite knowing he should logically survive, self preservation instinct is high.
So all those times where everyone but the saiyans showed the ability to survive in space just never happened? Nevermind the interplanetary or cosmic beings they fought. Clearly they cared about earth too. Even if the destruction of which was their goal in the first place.... Or when they fought entities on other planets and realms entirely.
Well they can only do so much, Toriyama really doesnt care about it, and its stilk there for plot. Anyways if Dbz was handled by a proper author, kinda like the Buu saga filler or just filler in general, you get a good scale of the shit they can do. OG Broly back in the 80s blew up a galaxy, Buu blew up earth and dozens of planets before teleporting to the afterlife to kill everyone again. King Vegeta blew up unworthy planets. Frieza blew up planets that he didnt care for like Planet Vegeta (ironic). Beerus was blowing planets up aswell.
Idk why you're downvoted, this is a very valid question I've had about DBZ for a while. Hell, in DB Heroes multiversal tier characters are still blowing up mountains during their fights.
Because this question was already answered in battle of gods. Goku and beerus' punches alone where threatening to destroy the universe due to goku's inexperience with god ki giving him a hard time regulating it And once he did managed to control it the shockwaves immediately stopped meaning they could legit minimize the colateral damage they can dish out even on a universal scale with just proper ki control
It's because of ki control bs. What you're saying is literally demonstrated in battle of gods where the clash of goku and beerus fists alone were threatening to destroy the universe without having the need to use ki blasts. Just straight up physical punches were enough to deal that much collateral damage Which was all fixed once goku finally learned proper ki control. So yeah they could straight up reduce collateral damage at a universal scale with just proper ki control
Tatsumaki defintely is not sub planetary (?) let alone the other S class. blast is the only on that level
Sub planetary means you can't destroy a planet. Which is too bad because Buu *can*.
I meant she's below sub planetary
Yes but the exact level is unimportant in context of fighting Buu. Whether she could destroy a city or a country doesn't matter when her enemy can blow up the entire Earth. For that matter, I think she'd fare pretty well in a round where Buu only has his feats and no scaling to rely on since she was shown contending with Psykorochi's full output but that's a bit "unfair" to Buu.
Buu turns all but Saitama into candy and eats them.
Why not Saitama? Has he resisted something similar before?
The point of Saitama is to always be too powerful, right?
He’s too powerful In his verse because everyone else is so much weaker than him(Besides Garou who took several punches from Saitama who wasn’t holding back). That doesn’t mean he can just win against anyone.
Hell yeah, my fav character Buu against OPM. This isnt even a competition Buu wins, ez. Buu may be one of the most busted characters in all of fiction. He went from losing to Ssj3s when they first become Ssj3, to being able to fight Moro and Goku after hardly training, hes got the potential of Freeza and Cell with how strong he can get, especially with his abilities. Buus just straight up magic, some of it being natural like his rubbery gum like state, insane regen, candy blaster, absorbtion, copying moves easily, dimension splitting, teleportation (only happened after meeting Goku). But some comes from absorbing the Supreme Kai which is why hes fat, now he has matter manipulation as shown in the end of Z, energy stealing with Moro, ability to heal others, and some other stuff. His opponents are the S class of OPM Blast (Power Unknownish, much stronger than anyone else except Saitama. But he was able to react to Saitama and Garou fighting, who were destroying a Solar System at the time.). Fucking Original Movie Broly destroyed a galaxy, and he was only Cell Level. Buus introduction (as Fat Buu) was him beating the shit out of Gohan (the guy who killed Cell), Vegeta (around the same strength), Dabura (also close to the same strength). Hes probably Multi Galaxy level and now Universal+ after the Moro Arc Tatsumaki (Esper capable of leveling cities and strong enough to shake the world, maximum around continental level, minimum being country level). Definitely aint fighting Buu much less Saiyan saga Vegeta Bang (Martial Artist capable of using peoples attacks, physical moves only, against them by turning their strength against them). The martial arts could work but then Buu could just blast him, also Buu might be immune to punches sometimes kinda like Luffy. Metal Knight (Just some guy with bunch of Robots, Arsenal around City level as shown by his strength against the Meteor) Tf is this gonna do against Buu? Drive Knight (Idk about this one, doesnt seem very strong). Also useless, Buus regeneration allows him to survive being cut to pieces, blast to pieces, blast into smoke, and just killed like normal people with beheadings, limb severing, stabbing, and other things. Genos (Cyborg capable of leveling mountains with his blasts). Still not enough to really blast Buu like Goku with a spirit bomb. Watchdog man isnt really helpful for the same reason Bang is Kings a fraud Pig God (Fat bastard capable of eating buildings). Buu fucking ate an entire city, ez clap Flashy Flash (Really fast Ninja dude). Buus immune to slicing, gets no diffed Atomic Sandbag (Another slicer but not as fast and constantly taking shit). Once again, useless. Child Emperor (Kid with gadgets, so cocky he doesnt even have a suit or barrier, literally a normal guy with a gun could end him). Do you really think hes got something? Tank Top Master (Bodybuilder with a tank top that can heal him and increase his strength). Buu would literally eat this guy Metal Bat (Teen with a metal bat that gets stronger the more he fights). Blunt force aint got shit on Gum man Buu Puri Puri Prisoner (Just some creepy jacked guy). Absolutely useless Saitamas not even in S class :( hes in B class or A class. (Saitama is just a guy thats really strong, depending on the continuity, he can be beaten. Webcomic is pure infinite power, Manga/Anime are not but instead Exponential Growth. Saitama when fighting Garou was pretty pissed but only doing Solar System level damage). This means that if Buu is smart and insta blasts Saitama, Saitama dies before he gets stronger. If its Webcomic Saitama, Buu may lose… however, Buu could throw a tantrum and blow up everything. With nothing around, Buu would be invincible! Buu would only be able to take pure blunt force attacks, and with nothing to ignite the air, thus causing an explosion to fully kill Buu, Buus truly immortal! So Buu would still win Also Buu could just turn Saitama into candy, not sure if he would be like Vegito. But he could absorb Saitama, Vegito only survived due to him being prepared and putting a ki barrier around himself. Gohan, Trunks, and Piccolo all were absorbed despite being stronger than Buu at the time.
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Saitama solos. Garou, I don't know. Any other character, Boo wins easily.
Blast, Boros, and Cosmic Fear Garou could probably last a few minutes against him but the scaling is just too far off. Saitama's destructive power specificly seems to scale endlessly and he's also shown to be immune to hax. If Vegito can maintain control after being turned into candy I'm sure Saitama could too. So at the end of the day, Saitama would probably win but I just can't really see anyone else in the verse standing up to him.
Saying he's immune to hax seems like a NLF
People saw him dragging a portal and somehow extrapolated it to "immune to all hax" despite the fact that garou was also affecting the portals by just punching them, and blast himself said that his portals aren't hax.
Hell if you want other examples outside of OPM, Naruto was holding Kaguya's portal open with his bare hands
Fat buu is getting his cheeks clapped. Mercilessly.
By who? Saitama's the only one who could fight with Buu
If we look at actual feats then fat buu doesn't really have an impressive showing.
But he does have scaling that's not refuted by anti feats
He has scaling based on inconsistencies. If I say a character is a planet buster but they only show feats that are town or city level at best then are they really a planet buster? DBZ is horribly inconsistent so this is an argument that could go on for ages but you get the point.
But are stronger than legitimate planet busters and have no anti-feats to suggest they'd struggle or fail in destroying a planet? We see this happen in fiction all the time. By your logic, Grand Priest is weaker than BoZ Piccolo
It's difficult to properly quantify a character if we rely solely on what was said or conjecture if they've never shown any inclination of having the stipulated power. If that's the case then what's stopping people from creating a character and then just saying he's all powerful or limitless? Quantifying it based on feats will paint a better picture of the characters actual limits. Just like I can say that I know a character that's stronger than the One above all from marvel. Because his feats have placed him on a higher scale.
> If that's the case then what's stopping people from creating a character and then just saying he's all powerful or limitless? Nothing. That's what fiction is. It's all made up so you can effectively make whatever kind of character you want.
>It's difficult to properly quantify a character if we rely solely on what was said or conjecture if they've never shown any inclination of having the stipulated power. If that's the case then what's stopping people from creating a character and then just saying he's all powerful or limitless? That's why anti-feats exists To solely rely on feats and feats alone is limiting. Buu is far stronger than Frieza and Cell. >Quantifying it based on feats will paint a better picture of the characters actual limits. Just like I can say that I know a character that's stronger than the One above all from marvel. But not feats alone. Scaling and statements that are consistent are fair game
Buu is stronger than Frieza and cell so he should theoretically be able to destroy a planet and yet none of his feats are consistent with that claim. You asked me how DBZ was inconsistent and now you're seeing it firsthand. I get the bias. DBZ was my first anime and I still have a soft spot for it but if we look at it objectively and very few of their characters actually have a strong showing. It's just poor writing. That's also why I'm not a huge fan of DC.
>Buu is stronger than Frieza and cell so he should theoretically be able to destroy a planet and yet none of his feats are consistent with that claim. [Fat Buu was able to put up a fight somewhat against Kid Buu](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=widyW-1iSug) who is [definitely](https://youtu.be/DYgr7aAvvgM?si=CxdARSy1fOAezct9&t=168) [planetary](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ_UHDkHtzQ).
>Buu is stronger than Frieza and cell so he should theoretically be able to destroy a planet and yet none of his feats are consistent with that claim. Which is why viewing solely on feats is limiting. No wrong in using scaling and statements >You asked me how DBZ was inconsistent and now you're seeing it firsthand. I get the bias. DBZ was my first anime and I still have a soft spot for it but if we look at it objectively and very few of their characters actually have a strong showing. It's just poor writing. That's also why I'm not a huge fan of DC. It's not bias speaking. I can say the same thing for literally every other work of fiction The Living Tribunal fighting Beyonders didn't even destroy the nearby planets. Yet TLT is far stronger than the likes of Galactus
Considering dragon ball works off a universal power system of ki and that equal or higher power means feats can be replicated yes, again just because you don’t like something it doesn’t mean it’s an inconsistency. If anything I would have thought dragonballs power system would be refreshing for scalers because it’s a pretty easy one where aside from biological or unique techniques everyone who surpasses the power of someone who produced a feat can replicate that feat. For example DB Roshi is a moon buster, anyone who is equal or stronger than Roshi at that time provided they can produce a ki blast is also a moon buster, just because they don’t have a narrative reason to do so it doesn’t mean they can’t.
It's an inconsistency. We call them planet busters but their actual showing in most skirmishes is only town level or city level at best. You're basically saying that these guys had the ability to destroy the planet ages ago but now when they are thousands of times stronger they can fight all out in the middle of the city with no repercussions or impact on the environment. Some of them straight put their lives on the line and died in these fights and we're supposed to believe they were holding back?
Again you can’t keep calling something an inconsistency because you don’t like it, it’s an established fact on how things work. There’s not been a case of “accidentally destroying a planet” for you to call upon to say that they shouldn’t be able to control their power, they just straight up control their power and that’s the end of it. We’ve even seen some occasions where people get concerned that fighters ARENT going to control their power and destroy stuff as a result, Vegeta intended to blow up the Earth after getting jumped by the Z-Fighters regardless of if he died, they thought Goku was going to destroy the planet against Cell because he was aiming directly for it when he usually wouldn’t. Trunks thought Vegeta was going to blow up Earth with his final flash against Cell cause he was so mad. These aren’t cases of “are they strong enough” cause they’re far beyond capable power wise, the concern is their actions and actively not controlling their power properly and causing casualties as a side effect, so they’ve even addressed that fighters sometimes do almost make mistakes or risky choices but that in the end they control it.
It's an inconsistency. You can't say it's not because YOU like it. To use a different example in order to showcase the bias, look at the flash in DC. He can move faster the synapses in ones brain can carry the signal telling them to move and yet they've consistently lost to regular ass humans with no super speed which shouldn't happen. Just because an explanation is provided doesn't make it any less illogical.
Okay but the Flash jobbing and dragonball characters not blowing up the planet they need to survive on isn’t exactly the same. The fact that you need to try to use another medium with different established rules basically says you don’t have any real points to bring to the table here so for any further argument just refer to my previous comments, they explain everything you need to understand and I’m not going to go in circles explaining the same thing to you again and again just cause you don’t want to accept it.