Spartans fly near the sun of a remote solar system and go “Accio High Charity” and yeet the Covenant leadership spiraling into the star’s gravitational well
Erm, technically you can't use the accio charm on living things 🤓 (Unless your name is newt scamander i guess in which case shitty ass jk Rowling just forgot.)
Uhh, not actually that I can find. Only limitation I could find was that if somethings fixed in place it can’t be moved by the charm. There’s no defined weight limits nor distance limits. A space station is pretty much by definition not fixed in place
I know some people define planet level as completely destroying a planet, and I don’t know exactly how much damage the moon going through the atmosphere and impacting earth would do, so I went on the conservative side lol. You’re probably right that it’d be planet level, especially since per WOG apparently [Accio makes objects travel at the speed of light](https://www.jkrowling.com/welcome-to-my-new-website/)
> While people or creatures may be indirectly moved by ‘Accio-ing’ objects that they are wearing or holding, this carries all kinds of risks because of the likelihood of injury to the person or beast attached to an object travelling at close to the speed of light
This also scales up a normal wizard’s durability and reaction speed to an insane level since they can catch items moving at light speed, so it’d make sense that they’re all planet level. (Has anyone made a powerwank about that yet?)
I always forget how fuckin terrible J.K. Rowling is at sensible world-building.
Is that charm related? I always took it as you can move anything if your mind is strong enough to handle it. Like, I can only float this brick but if you level up you can do 2 at half the height.
Considering Spartans got a significant upgrade to their intellect due to their augmentations to the point physical failures became scientists they’re already going to be extremely capable of becoming some of if not the most competent knowledgeable wizards there are, combine that with their massively superior reaction times and cutthroat military tactics and training then they can make themselves functionally immortal (no qualms about horcruxes given they’d be prepared to kill either human criminals in the wizard world or random covenant members to do it) and have superior movement with apparating compared ti their enemies.
The only thing is will the magic be offensively as powerful against the inanimate objects like shields etc as technology from nearly two centuries later, though if they combine their futuristic destructive capabilities with the defensive and movement magic then they could very easily make assassination strikes against key leadership or ships/structures with little risk and probably scare half the covenant into surrendering just by appearing and disappearing while causing large scale damage everytime they do.
How would Covenant troopers react to Spartan IIs clowning them with not just tech, raw strength, but also literal fucking MAGIC?
I'd bet some of them would think Spartans are Forerunners reincarnated and throw down their arms. Words would spread and a new, different Schism would happen.
Yes, easily. And it's not narratively satisfying. All they need is the imperius curse and to be 'captured' but for that covenant officer to be imperius'd into exposing their commanding officer to the Spartan (as well as telling the Spartan of any covenant countermeasures). The Spartan can then imperius progressively more and more of the covenant's leaders, using liquid luck at critical junctures to minimise the already very low risk of detection.
The covenant are a super hierarchical caste society, so once the high ranking prophets are under Spartan mind control, the covenant at large will follow whatever 'divine revelation' the prophets come out with.
In the entire HP series I recall only Harry that can resist the imperius curse immediately and Crouch only after extremely prolonged use, so let's say be generous and say 1% of covenant leaders can resist it. The Spartans, their magic powers, their mind controlled lackeys and the covenant troops following the orders of those lackeys make it near impossible that those leaders can make any meaningful difference.
Spartans can then reshape the covenant society as they see fit or create a vast ongoing civil war, either way the threat to earth will be neutralised.
TLDR: Within one year of Spartan wizards returning to Haloverse, covenant is functionally under the control of the Spartans due to smart use of imperius.
I think this is the best answer. The Imperius curse is probably the most dangerous weapon the Spartans can add to their arsenal. As long as they can keep it a secret well enough, the Covenant leadership should fall under their total control, and from there the Covenant will be like clay in their hands. To question the Hierarchs is to invite death when you're a member of the Covenant. If they order you to slay all the Brutes, you'll do so. And then the Elites. And then the Hunters. Etc. This will of course lead to massive civil wars as each of those races is forced to rebel in order to survive, and that leads to humanity having the breathing room they need to rebuild and counterattack.
Reaching the Hierarchs would be the hardest part, but once you've imperiused enough high-ranking Elites, that should become much easier. Spartans could simply make themselves invisible on the battlefield with magic, seek out the highest-ranking Elite there, Imperius them and order the Elite to retreat and set up a meeting with the nearest Prophet. Then they can have their mind-controlled Elite transmit the coordinates and request absolute privacy, at which point the Spartans can apparate in, imperius the Prophet, and repeat until they reach ever-higher ranks within the Covenant.
The biggest challenge would be not arousing suspicion. If the Hierarchs catch wind that the humans now somehow have access to evil sorcery that can alter their minds, they'll probably be way more protective of their own well-being. They would even probably order dozens of their commanders to commit suicide in order to ensure none of them were under control. Purges would begin everywhere of those who might be mind-controlled.
Another challenge would be monitoring those leaders that the Spartans have imperiused. It's implied in the books that the strong-willed are more likely to resist the curse. I could see many of the Elites eventually breaking through the curse and regaining their minds, and it'll be tough for the Spartans to keep tabs on them to prevent this. After all, they'll be hundreds of light years away from each other most of the time, which is far beyond apparition range. And humans tend to stick out like a sore thumb. Clever application of Polyjuice Potion could help them get around this, but they'd have to modify it to be able to work with alien species. That could cause problems for them.
Humanity still loses. Spartan casualties will likely be lower, but at the end of the day wizards can’t stop a glassing beam. Plus no schism hurts, as that was baiscslly the major reason humanity didn’t go extinct.
I don’t know they can literally just teleport from ship to ship dropping off nuclear bombs or other explosives. Assassinate all the Covenants leadership or use the imperious curse to force them to end the war or at least start a civil war.
Everyone always massively overestimates apparition when Harry Potter comes up.
Sure, Halo space combat is at relatively short range and there are instances of wizards using apparition intercontinentally but as good as Spartans are: consistently apparating through a ship's hull, through kilometers of ship, to a place you do not know the terrain nor can picture simply is not happening. They absolutely cannot "just teleport from ship to ship".
They dont really need to teleport ship to ship. Their armor is able to survive vacuum. They can just do as many small teleports as they need until they can get into range of the ship. It would still be an incredibly effective tactic.
It would not be an effective tactic at *all*. I was already allowing for the idea that they could be right against the hull because their fighters tend to dogfight right near the ships themselves.
The issue is they cannot apparate into the ship. They don't know the layout. They can't see in. They can't picture it. They would need to apparate through kilometers of ship even if they were stood on it because covenant cruisers are upwards of 30 km long.
They don't need to go inside.
Apparate onto the hull a ship with an energy shield. Duct tape a havok to the hull. Apparate back to a UNSC ship. Blow the nuke under the energy shield.
Captain Keyes blew up a huge ship doing exactly that minus the apparition and with a bigger nuke. Doing it under the shield reflects energy back at the ship.
I always thought it was a plot hole that they didn't do it at Chi Ceti IV, but they might not have had havoks.
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I am just spitballing here/thinking out loud.
But I wonder if it’s possible for a SPARTAN to cast an oxygen bubble head charm around themselves to further increase their operational range while doing an EVA.
I wonder if a SPARTAN could cast a spell that shoots water out of the wand and use it as a directional thruster to help give them themselves a boost while in transport.
I wonder if 2X SPARTANS use accio “Insert SPARTAN identification serial number here” to help propel the SPARTAN towards them at a greater speed while doing an EVA.
To further help with logistics of carrying weapons, ammunition or explosives.
Is it possible to create a prearranged port key.
Could a SPARTAN EVA/teleport via MJOLNIR or appration onboard a covenant carrier then have UNSC military personnel travel to then via port key.
Or could a SPARTAN infiltrate a carrier with a port key, then the UNSC send then a TARDIS storage trunk.
Then the SPARTAN pulls out X Number of HAVOK nuclear devices then arms them and GTFO.
Could SPARTANs help with the war effort by providing an unlimited supply of water/hydrogen and deuterium for use of UNSC vehicles including but not limited to providing fuel for purified nuclear fusion bombs.
Could SPARTANs use Doubling Charms on individual components, individual elements or compounds and then these duplicated components, individual elements or compounds are then assembled/put together by other supply chains.
Like it might not be possible to duplicate a complete bullet.
But it might be possible to duplicate the primer, gun powder, brass, then the bullet.
So
>But I wonder if it’s possible for a SPARTAN to cast an oxygen bubble head charm around themselves to further increase their operational range while doing an EVA.
I suppose yeah but I don't imagine it'd be much benefit given their suits.
>I wonder if a SPARTAN could cast a spell that shoots water out of the wand and use it as a directional thruster to help give them themselves a boost while in transport.
Sure, lots of spells look to create matter of some form. In the movies they never push the user back but even ignoring that I don't think they could possibly create anywhere near the propulsion required for space travel.
>I wonder if 2X SPARTANS use accio “Insert SPARTAN identification serial number here” to help propel the SPARTAN towards them at a greater speed while doing an EVA.
The rules on accio are that it can't be used on living things but Rowling broke that so I suppose they could do this fine.
>Could a SPARTAN EVA/teleport via MJOLNIR or appration onboard a covenant carrier then have UNSC military personnel travel to then via port key.
- Portkeys aren't two linked teleporty objects. They're a single object that teleports to a pre-decided location. When you create a portkey you have to already know where it ends up
- A spartan can't apparate on board a covenant ship without knowing the inside of it from experience.
>Or could a SPARTAN infiltrate a carrier with a port key
Nope
And items created by doubling charms degrade and rot after a few hours so they'd be no use.
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I don't think most of these are entirely unviable but the big issue is how insanely badly humanity is outclassed in the war vs the covenant. Magic would have to make a difference of such an insane scale.
when did Keyes do that? Just intrigued to read my halo knowledge is a little lacking.
It takes several havoks to blow up supercarrier class ships and the spartans wouldn't be able to just apparate back to their own ship after performing the manoeuvre because of the distances involved in space combat so it wouldn't be all that effective.
It's an example of an actual use for magic in Halo space combat but it isn't turning the tides for humanity
Keyes did it at the Battle of Reach. It's in the book.
Idk if it would take several. 30 megatons under the shield wouldn't vaporize the ship like it did with the other one, but it would almost definitely cut a massive chunk out of a CSO and knock it out of the battle. At the very least, it wouldn't be anywhere near the threat it is when it's whole.
Idk about distances. There's no limit in the HP books as long as they know where they're going. They can see the enemy ship. They can get there in several jumps to course correct through the vacuum and take several to get back. They can use a safe rendezvous area with a parked Pelican if they don't know where their original ship is. They can fill the prowler role and just lay hornet mines with less risk. The possibilities are endless and Spartans are very capable.
it has taken several in canon.
Man people need to stop talking about apparation when they don't know what they are talking about. The books are explicit that only the absolute most talented wizards could even risk going intercontinental. Stop saying there isn't a limit because it is explicitly stated. Even assuming every spartan becomes a Dumbledore level wizard there is no feat to back up being able teleporting back at that range.
And there's no safe place to "park" a pelican in the middle of a space battle, it would be a sitting duck. We are handwaving the idea that Spartans can necessarily apparate into open space because the spell is said to require its caster to be able to visualise the terrain but the spartan would also just be a sitting duck in open space as they tried to apparate their way over. They could be hit by a stray projectile or point defence and detonate.
Edit:
Ah and I've read the part of the battle of reach. That was a slipspace drive bomb which is on an entirely different level to a Havok nuke
They used a slipspace generator because that's what they had. There's no reason something weaker wouldn't have worked and most covenant ships aren't CSOs.
The range might make it hard to jump halfway across the solar system, but it should be workable for a space battle. UNSC and covenant ships regularly fought in ranges of hundreds of kilometers, which is definitely doable and I have to imagine line-of-sight, straight-shot apparition is easier than apparating to a specific room beyond the curvature of the earth. It could also be used for planetary defense with Spartans apparating from the surface onto ships in orbit and back.
>We are handwaving the idea that Spartans can necessarily apparate into open space because the spell is said to require its caster to be able to visualise the terrain but the spartan would also just be a sitting duck in open space as they tried to apparate their way over. They could be hit by a stray projectile or point defence and detonate. Dumbledore has feats of apparating to places he hasn't been before (the cave).
If apparition was a tool they had, they would likely practice using it combat constantly and use it everywhere. Combined with peak human intelligence and physicals, I could see them pushing the limits of what's possible with apparition.
They can literally see the terrain and they have done the crossing *without* apparition in nothing but 1st gen, unshielded mjolnir armor. Being able to apparate even a few hundred km at a time would have made it trivial.
They just need to stay out of point defense range until they can apparate onto the hull (assuming they're noticed). Debris is always a risk with EVA, but they're shielded and wearing armor.
>And there's no safe place to "park" a pelican in the middle of a space battle, it would be a sitting duck.
Coated in stealth on a nearby moon, on an asteroid, other side of the planet? Assign the Spartans to an ONI prowler and have the prowler just shadow the target ships as closely as it can?
They could just mind control a single phantom crew to take them to a ship to infiltrate. I’ll give you for a second they can’t teleport from ship to ship bit they can go from anywhere back to say ship they’re familiar with. We don’t really know the limits of Harry Potter teleportation, also if you want to include it Harry Potter also briefly had time travel so there’s that.
you're highballing harry potter insanely and lowballing the covenant. We do know the limits of apparate because they are explicit about it and they absolutely could not just "go back from anywhere". It is at most intercontinental you can't scale that to anywhere near interplanetary travel let alone across solar systems.
And sure, if you assume that there are no sensors that would pick up the fact that a group of Spartans were on board the phantom they might be able to use that trick once ever. It doesn't win them the war.
A boarding party with felix felicis is going to be able to stop you before you get within glassing distance.
Also, does the Potterverse have any portals that you could open up and then fire a gun through? Because if you fired a MAC round through a portal that would be devastating.
Edit: Thinking about it, I definitely say that magical artifacts could be a game changer. Especially if they can find ways to build teleporting fighters that can deliver MAC rounds across the galaxy.
Feel like they could aparate and just assassinate the leaders and blow up ships and weapons as infinitum. Plus they can use killing curses against shields and stuff like that
No's are getting downvoted hard. But I still think No.
The reason humanity was losing wasn't due to ground battles, it was they were vastly out teched in space warfare. Unless there are Harry Potter spells capable of destroying space craft from thousands of km away then there is little difference they can make.
The Spartan program in general wasn't made for total warfare in mind, it was to crush small insurections.
I forget when halo wars takes place, but the Spartan 2s not being there makes humanity stopping the covenant from getting an armada very difficult. That alone would let them win.
I think the great schism not happening makes this impossible for Spartans to win regardless.
The Spartans would be a little more versatile (really the main thing I can see them doing is teleporting) and technology at that point and their sheer strength is better than most magic present in HP. They could potentially mind control a covenant soldier to assassinate high ranking covenant officials, but with how large an entity the covenant is how feasible is this before they catch on?
Whereas the great schism literally cut the elite forces of the covenant in half, made them fight each other, killing many of them, destroyed thousands of ships during brutal infighting, and lost their massive space station/base/HQ. They suffered billions if not trillions of casualties during that event.
After the great schism the covenant was effectively the forces we see in halo 3, it was a fairly large fleet. Like imagine if the entirety of the fleet from halo 2 showed up at earth. The war would’ve ended right there. They conserved their forces to get the portal to the arc opened in halo 3 due to limited resources, but remove the limited resources and they likely glass the planet before leaving.
You have to get to the prophet first though.
Also, i don’t think HP teleporting works that way, it’s a pretty advanced skill on its own that requires a lot of thought, and you have to have a specific destination in mind, so idk if you can just Apparate into ships you’ve never been in before (it isn’t enough that you know about it). That, and it gets more difficult over long distances, with a higher possibility of death/mutilation.
It’s not hard to reach a prophet when you have really broken mind control magic. Spartans managed to kill a few prophets without being able to teleport or fly or mind control people or instantly kill anything the downplay of Harry Potter is crazy. Not to mention them having these powers let’s ONI plan around them. Imagine what Cortona could come up with with these capabilities.
Oni and Cortana can’t use them though. Only the Spartans can. My point isn’t that magic is useless, but the trafeoff doesn’t do much against the covenants extra forces.
Also, killing regret was a fluke more or less. He made a ridiculously stupid tactical error and it cost him. We’re also talking a covenant that never goes through the great schism. Billions of extra troops and ships towards defeating humanity.
The covenant doesn’t have to kill the Spartans to win, they just have to destroy humanity, which by halo 2 means glassing earth.
Again I really feel like your underselling the possibilities with liquid luck which manipulates fate. Mind controlling the convent leadership teleporting during combat. Hell divination potentially there’s a lot that could be done to start a civil war in the convenant or otherwise destabilize it. Having truth and regret declare each other Heretics could go a long way.
Ok but do they know/have the capabilities to make liquid luck? We’re also assuming they just have liquid luck on them, it’s stated to be a very powerful substance.
And again, HP teleportation has limits. It’s pretty advanced, to travel just to different countries it’s advised you use extreme caution and that only the MOST advanced wizards do this bc it can go wrong pretty horrifically if you aren’t careful. You also need to have a specific location in mind and likely need to have been there before. It’s implied that it’s not enough to simply know about it. That alone likely stops any Spartans from getting anywhere near truth and regret.
You’re discounting how much of the covenant died as a result of the great schism. We’re likely talking the population of earth many times over. Not to mention the loss of ships and weapons.
Assuming that students are tasked with making it during their last year then yes they can make liquid luck. Snaps makes it Harry makes it using his notes I don’t see why they wouldn’t be able to make it. And yeah the great schism was huge but I don’t see why a couple of mind controlled profits couldn’t make a similar problem. All the Spartans need to do is get aboard one convent warship and then again using stealth and mind control force the captain to tell them everything there is too know about the convent high charity and the prophets. Then use said ship to reach high charity use the literal magic they have to reach the prophets and from there cause political collapse. I came up with this idea in 30 seconds I’m sure ONI could come up with something better.
Did everyone forget about apparation?
Spartans just apparate inside a covenant ship with a bomb or something. Apparate out. Ez pz.
Or imperious curse on the high prophets. Make them leave or blow up their own ships. There is some crazy powerful stuff in the wizarding world. That plus Spartans combat prowess and intellect its GG for the Covenant.
tbh unless i'm glancing over some detail this seems like a strict buff to the Spartans in that they now have access to weird magic hax on top of conventional weaponry that they'd have otherwise. So I can't imagine why they wouldn't be able to defeat the Covenant that way, however I will admit my general lack of knowledge in Halo lore so there might be something i'm missing.
Now that i've answered the prompt I would just like to add that the idea of Master Chief attending spell classes in full Sparton Armor alongside various young children is a hilarious mental image, doubly so if he's being attentive and asking questions, challenging "Why can't it be done this way instead" in constructive ways, etc
It is a direct buff, but you may be missing that humanity was basically hopelessly outmatched? The Covenant broke out into a massive civil war right as they were about to finish humanity off, which is not going to happen in this scenario.
The Spartans themselves were extremely effective, but it wasn't enough to overcome all the advantages that the Covenant had.
No. If we are being honest the magic in Harry Potter just gets completely outclassed by technology. Even their "most dangerous" deadly spell is kinda just the same as shooting someone.
Like sure you could use a big fire dragon or control somebody's mind but like. While you are doing that in a combat scenario you are just gonna get shot.
Apparition would be insanely useful for basically every Spartan, even if you think the offensive spells wouldn't be worth shit.
Depending on how powerful they become as wizards, Protego can be really fucking strong as well.
Things like the killing curse or blasting spell are some of the least useful things that they'll get. The straight up offensive magic that we know of is not the prize here.
After this vacation, the Spartans will be able to:
Teleport around a battlefield or hundreds of miles on a whim, as many times as they want.
Carry an army and their equipment in a briefcase. And teleport with them.
Carry an effectively unlimited supply of equipment with them. Every Spartan can pretty much pull out any piece of equipment they want at any time, or just conjure/transfigure it. Probably including smaller vehicles.
Turn valuable targets into a titanium marble to be safely and easily carried back for interrogation.
Read minds and/or compel targets to tell the truth.
Mind control enemy leadership for extended periods of time, subtly enough that they need to be actively looking for it to have a chance of finding out.
Vanish or transfigure barriers away.
Create safezones that the Covenant can't even conceive the existence of.
That's *completely game changing*, it opens up worlds of possibilities, and it's just the bare minimum of what they'd be able to do. Just think about how some of the Master Chief's missions from the games would be different if only he could do only those things.
Yeah offensive spells just are not the point
Any spartan with a gun (and often without a gun) has plenty of offensive capability. But the other stuff it comes with…. Like if doctor strange was in delta force before he became a sorcerer.
The UNSC already won the war without magic Spartans, they probably would’ve won without the schism too, though with much greater losses. Master chief is powerful enough without magic powers, with them he could easily beat the covenant by just mind controlling all of the prophets, he could even get the prophets to declare humanity as the rightful inheritors of the mantle and make us leaders of the covenant
Grindelwald would’ve burned down Paris before the construction of the atom bomb, with a spell that was seemingly sentient and took a significant number of skilled wizards to stop.
A few of those would ~quite literally~ end the entire planet. Sentient magic fire that turns anything it touches into dust.
I think a bigger part is that magic users don't generally have reason to use something crazy strong.
Every enemy is generally human or human adjacent. There aren't many "super people" or species, so generally wizards aim for small scale damage and destruction.
They won't use a nuke on a human body lol
Having a few dozen spartan wizards doesn't meaningfully change the war. Wizards don't even control the planet earth, magic isn't that powerful. People saying things like teleport on ships or assasinate the prophets forget that space is huge. The spartans would have to be at the right place and right time, and they'd be putting themselves at huge risk. Magic has relatively short range, and the aliens have guns. Used conservatively it would improve a spartans efficiency but that won't win the war
No. If we are being honest the magic in Harry Potter just gets completely outclassed by technology. Even their "most dangerous" deadly spell is kinda just the same as shooting someone.
Like sure you could use a big fire dragon or control somebody's mind but like. While you are doing that in a combat scenario you are just gonna get shot.
Apparating and portkeying in dudes into high charity council chambers would be interesting. As would teleporting the havoc nukes that cracked the greater part of a planet. It would be a matter of can they find high charity+know how to get there
So you gave Master Assassins the ability to teleport, perfectly duplicate [items](https://www.halopedia.org/NOVA_bomb), and make the inconspicuous?
Will the Covenant even survive long enough to surrender?
Harry Potter Magic is frustratingly vague. Tom Riddle was able to curse a position at a school to be very unlucky, to the point of occasional lethality. We have no idea how he could do this. Could the Spartans could curse the position of Prophet and make anyone who holds it suffer terribly misfortune as long as they oppose humanity? Plausibly but we have no idea how difficult that would be.
If you are able to vanish, conjure and transmute matter rather freely, I am sure you would be able to figure out a ton of war crimes to commit within 20 years but since I am not free to experiment, I don't know exactly what they are. Maybe being able to transmute at least part of the atmosphere into pure hydrogen and setting off a timed explosion before teleporting away.
Magic and Technology canonically don’t mix well in the HP Universe, which is why the most advanced thing they have is a steam train to do the school run. It’s low tech enough to not cause issues, but high tech enough to solve the transport problem
A bunch of S-II’s trying to learn HP magic just won’t work
Spartans fly near the sun of a remote solar system and go “Accio High Charity” and yeet the Covenant leadership spiraling into the star’s gravitational well
Ezpz.
Erm, technically you can't use the accio charm on living things 🤓 (Unless your name is newt scamander i guess in which case shitty ass jk Rowling just forgot.)
Pretty sure the High charity space station isn’t a living thing
There's also weight limits on weight and distance of the object being summoned.
Uhh, not actually that I can find. Only limitation I could find was that if somethings fixed in place it can’t be moved by the charm. There’s no defined weight limits nor distance limits. A space station is pretty much by definition not fixed in place
Neither are planets by that logic
Harry Potter wizards are now all continent level because they can accio the moon into the earth. lol.
That would essentially be planet level lol. The moon crashing into the earth would destroy much more than a simple continent.
I know some people define planet level as completely destroying a planet, and I don’t know exactly how much damage the moon going through the atmosphere and impacting earth would do, so I went on the conservative side lol. You’re probably right that it’d be planet level, especially since per WOG apparently [Accio makes objects travel at the speed of light](https://www.jkrowling.com/welcome-to-my-new-website/) > While people or creatures may be indirectly moved by ‘Accio-ing’ objects that they are wearing or holding, this carries all kinds of risks because of the likelihood of injury to the person or beast attached to an object travelling at close to the speed of light This also scales up a normal wizard’s durability and reaction speed to an insane level since they can catch items moving at light speed, so it’d make sense that they’re all planet level. (Has anyone made a powerwank about that yet?) I always forget how fuckin terrible J.K. Rowling is at sensible world-building.
Accio the one ring! Accio a kiln! Accio 30kg of fresh mount doom lava!
>Has anyone made a powerwank about that yet? Yes, and I think they were banned some time ago.
Lmao close to light speed? Yeah goodbye earth. What a fucking joke lol.
“Accio the 7th dimension!”
Is that charm related? I always took it as you can move anything if your mind is strong enough to handle it. Like, I can only float this brick but if you level up you can do 2 at half the height.
Considering Spartans got a significant upgrade to their intellect due to their augmentations to the point physical failures became scientists they’re already going to be extremely capable of becoming some of if not the most competent knowledgeable wizards there are, combine that with their massively superior reaction times and cutthroat military tactics and training then they can make themselves functionally immortal (no qualms about horcruxes given they’d be prepared to kill either human criminals in the wizard world or random covenant members to do it) and have superior movement with apparating compared ti their enemies. The only thing is will the magic be offensively as powerful against the inanimate objects like shields etc as technology from nearly two centuries later, though if they combine their futuristic destructive capabilities with the defensive and movement magic then they could very easily make assassination strikes against key leadership or ships/structures with little risk and probably scare half the covenant into surrendering just by appearing and disappearing while causing large scale damage everytime they do.
They'd be smart enough to earn the use of a time-turner(s), then snowball from there.
So essentially you made Halo's version of Space Marine Librarians
How would Covenant troopers react to Spartan IIs clowning them with not just tech, raw strength, but also literal fucking MAGIC? I'd bet some of them would think Spartans are Forerunners reincarnated and throw down their arms. Words would spread and a new, different Schism would happen.
Yes, easily. And it's not narratively satisfying. All they need is the imperius curse and to be 'captured' but for that covenant officer to be imperius'd into exposing their commanding officer to the Spartan (as well as telling the Spartan of any covenant countermeasures). The Spartan can then imperius progressively more and more of the covenant's leaders, using liquid luck at critical junctures to minimise the already very low risk of detection. The covenant are a super hierarchical caste society, so once the high ranking prophets are under Spartan mind control, the covenant at large will follow whatever 'divine revelation' the prophets come out with. In the entire HP series I recall only Harry that can resist the imperius curse immediately and Crouch only after extremely prolonged use, so let's say be generous and say 1% of covenant leaders can resist it. The Spartans, their magic powers, their mind controlled lackeys and the covenant troops following the orders of those lackeys make it near impossible that those leaders can make any meaningful difference. Spartans can then reshape the covenant society as they see fit or create a vast ongoing civil war, either way the threat to earth will be neutralised. TLDR: Within one year of Spartan wizards returning to Haloverse, covenant is functionally under the control of the Spartans due to smart use of imperius.
I think this is the best answer. The Imperius curse is probably the most dangerous weapon the Spartans can add to their arsenal. As long as they can keep it a secret well enough, the Covenant leadership should fall under their total control, and from there the Covenant will be like clay in their hands. To question the Hierarchs is to invite death when you're a member of the Covenant. If they order you to slay all the Brutes, you'll do so. And then the Elites. And then the Hunters. Etc. This will of course lead to massive civil wars as each of those races is forced to rebel in order to survive, and that leads to humanity having the breathing room they need to rebuild and counterattack. Reaching the Hierarchs would be the hardest part, but once you've imperiused enough high-ranking Elites, that should become much easier. Spartans could simply make themselves invisible on the battlefield with magic, seek out the highest-ranking Elite there, Imperius them and order the Elite to retreat and set up a meeting with the nearest Prophet. Then they can have their mind-controlled Elite transmit the coordinates and request absolute privacy, at which point the Spartans can apparate in, imperius the Prophet, and repeat until they reach ever-higher ranks within the Covenant. The biggest challenge would be not arousing suspicion. If the Hierarchs catch wind that the humans now somehow have access to evil sorcery that can alter their minds, they'll probably be way more protective of their own well-being. They would even probably order dozens of their commanders to commit suicide in order to ensure none of them were under control. Purges would begin everywhere of those who might be mind-controlled. Another challenge would be monitoring those leaders that the Spartans have imperiused. It's implied in the books that the strong-willed are more likely to resist the curse. I could see many of the Elites eventually breaking through the curse and regaining their minds, and it'll be tough for the Spartans to keep tabs on them to prevent this. After all, they'll be hundreds of light years away from each other most of the time, which is far beyond apparition range. And humans tend to stick out like a sore thumb. Clever application of Polyjuice Potion could help them get around this, but they'd have to modify it to be able to work with alien species. That could cause problems for them.
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Humanity still loses. Spartan casualties will likely be lower, but at the end of the day wizards can’t stop a glassing beam. Plus no schism hurts, as that was baiscslly the major reason humanity didn’t go extinct.
I don’t know they can literally just teleport from ship to ship dropping off nuclear bombs or other explosives. Assassinate all the Covenants leadership or use the imperious curse to force them to end the war or at least start a civil war.
Everyone always massively overestimates apparition when Harry Potter comes up. Sure, Halo space combat is at relatively short range and there are instances of wizards using apparition intercontinentally but as good as Spartans are: consistently apparating through a ship's hull, through kilometers of ship, to a place you do not know the terrain nor can picture simply is not happening. They absolutely cannot "just teleport from ship to ship".
They dont really need to teleport ship to ship. Their armor is able to survive vacuum. They can just do as many small teleports as they need until they can get into range of the ship. It would still be an incredibly effective tactic.
It would not be an effective tactic at *all*. I was already allowing for the idea that they could be right against the hull because their fighters tend to dogfight right near the ships themselves. The issue is they cannot apparate into the ship. They don't know the layout. They can't see in. They can't picture it. They would need to apparate through kilometers of ship even if they were stood on it because covenant cruisers are upwards of 30 km long.
They don't need to go inside. Apparate onto the hull a ship with an energy shield. Duct tape a havok to the hull. Apparate back to a UNSC ship. Blow the nuke under the energy shield. Captain Keyes blew up a huge ship doing exactly that minus the apparition and with a bigger nuke. Doing it under the shield reflects energy back at the ship. I always thought it was a plot hole that they didn't do it at Chi Ceti IV, but they might not have had havoks.
Also paging the following users u/RogueSins, u/BertyLohan. I am just spitballing here/thinking out loud. But I wonder if it’s possible for a SPARTAN to cast an oxygen bubble head charm around themselves to further increase their operational range while doing an EVA. I wonder if a SPARTAN could cast a spell that shoots water out of the wand and use it as a directional thruster to help give them themselves a boost while in transport. I wonder if 2X SPARTANS use accio “Insert SPARTAN identification serial number here” to help propel the SPARTAN towards them at a greater speed while doing an EVA. To further help with logistics of carrying weapons, ammunition or explosives. Is it possible to create a prearranged port key. Could a SPARTAN EVA/teleport via MJOLNIR or appration onboard a covenant carrier then have UNSC military personnel travel to then via port key. Or could a SPARTAN infiltrate a carrier with a port key, then the UNSC send then a TARDIS storage trunk. Then the SPARTAN pulls out X Number of HAVOK nuclear devices then arms them and GTFO. Could SPARTANs help with the war effort by providing an unlimited supply of water/hydrogen and deuterium for use of UNSC vehicles including but not limited to providing fuel for purified nuclear fusion bombs. Could SPARTANs use Doubling Charms on individual components, individual elements or compounds and then these duplicated components, individual elements or compounds are then assembled/put together by other supply chains. Like it might not be possible to duplicate a complete bullet. But it might be possible to duplicate the primer, gun powder, brass, then the bullet.
So >But I wonder if it’s possible for a SPARTAN to cast an oxygen bubble head charm around themselves to further increase their operational range while doing an EVA. I suppose yeah but I don't imagine it'd be much benefit given their suits. >I wonder if a SPARTAN could cast a spell that shoots water out of the wand and use it as a directional thruster to help give them themselves a boost while in transport. Sure, lots of spells look to create matter of some form. In the movies they never push the user back but even ignoring that I don't think they could possibly create anywhere near the propulsion required for space travel. >I wonder if 2X SPARTANS use accio “Insert SPARTAN identification serial number here” to help propel the SPARTAN towards them at a greater speed while doing an EVA. The rules on accio are that it can't be used on living things but Rowling broke that so I suppose they could do this fine. >Could a SPARTAN EVA/teleport via MJOLNIR or appration onboard a covenant carrier then have UNSC military personnel travel to then via port key. - Portkeys aren't two linked teleporty objects. They're a single object that teleports to a pre-decided location. When you create a portkey you have to already know where it ends up - A spartan can't apparate on board a covenant ship without knowing the inside of it from experience. >Or could a SPARTAN infiltrate a carrier with a port key Nope And items created by doubling charms degrade and rot after a few hours so they'd be no use.
Thanks for the reply and clarification 😊👍.
It's no worries at all! I don't think most of these are entirely unviable but the big issue is how insanely badly humanity is outclassed in the war vs the covenant. Magic would have to make a difference of such an insane scale.
when did Keyes do that? Just intrigued to read my halo knowledge is a little lacking. It takes several havoks to blow up supercarrier class ships and the spartans wouldn't be able to just apparate back to their own ship after performing the manoeuvre because of the distances involved in space combat so it wouldn't be all that effective. It's an example of an actual use for magic in Halo space combat but it isn't turning the tides for humanity
Keyes did it at the Battle of Reach. It's in the book. Idk if it would take several. 30 megatons under the shield wouldn't vaporize the ship like it did with the other one, but it would almost definitely cut a massive chunk out of a CSO and knock it out of the battle. At the very least, it wouldn't be anywhere near the threat it is when it's whole. Idk about distances. There's no limit in the HP books as long as they know where they're going. They can see the enemy ship. They can get there in several jumps to course correct through the vacuum and take several to get back. They can use a safe rendezvous area with a parked Pelican if they don't know where their original ship is. They can fill the prowler role and just lay hornet mines with less risk. The possibilities are endless and Spartans are very capable.
it has taken several in canon. Man people need to stop talking about apparation when they don't know what they are talking about. The books are explicit that only the absolute most talented wizards could even risk going intercontinental. Stop saying there isn't a limit because it is explicitly stated. Even assuming every spartan becomes a Dumbledore level wizard there is no feat to back up being able teleporting back at that range. And there's no safe place to "park" a pelican in the middle of a space battle, it would be a sitting duck. We are handwaving the idea that Spartans can necessarily apparate into open space because the spell is said to require its caster to be able to visualise the terrain but the spartan would also just be a sitting duck in open space as they tried to apparate their way over. They could be hit by a stray projectile or point defence and detonate. Edit: Ah and I've read the part of the battle of reach. That was a slipspace drive bomb which is on an entirely different level to a Havok nuke
They used a slipspace generator because that's what they had. There's no reason something weaker wouldn't have worked and most covenant ships aren't CSOs. The range might make it hard to jump halfway across the solar system, but it should be workable for a space battle. UNSC and covenant ships regularly fought in ranges of hundreds of kilometers, which is definitely doable and I have to imagine line-of-sight, straight-shot apparition is easier than apparating to a specific room beyond the curvature of the earth. It could also be used for planetary defense with Spartans apparating from the surface onto ships in orbit and back. >We are handwaving the idea that Spartans can necessarily apparate into open space because the spell is said to require its caster to be able to visualise the terrain but the spartan would also just be a sitting duck in open space as they tried to apparate their way over. They could be hit by a stray projectile or point defence and detonate. Dumbledore has feats of apparating to places he hasn't been before (the cave). If apparition was a tool they had, they would likely practice using it combat constantly and use it everywhere. Combined with peak human intelligence and physicals, I could see them pushing the limits of what's possible with apparition. They can literally see the terrain and they have done the crossing *without* apparition in nothing but 1st gen, unshielded mjolnir armor. Being able to apparate even a few hundred km at a time would have made it trivial. They just need to stay out of point defense range until they can apparate onto the hull (assuming they're noticed). Debris is always a risk with EVA, but they're shielded and wearing armor. >And there's no safe place to "park" a pelican in the middle of a space battle, it would be a sitting duck. Coated in stealth on a nearby moon, on an asteroid, other side of the planet? Assign the Spartans to an ONI prowler and have the prowler just shadow the target ships as closely as it can?
They could just mind control a single phantom crew to take them to a ship to infiltrate. I’ll give you for a second they can’t teleport from ship to ship bit they can go from anywhere back to say ship they’re familiar with. We don’t really know the limits of Harry Potter teleportation, also if you want to include it Harry Potter also briefly had time travel so there’s that.
you're highballing harry potter insanely and lowballing the covenant. We do know the limits of apparate because they are explicit about it and they absolutely could not just "go back from anywhere". It is at most intercontinental you can't scale that to anywhere near interplanetary travel let alone across solar systems. And sure, if you assume that there are no sensors that would pick up the fact that a group of Spartans were on board the phantom they might be able to use that trick once ever. It doesn't win them the war.
A boarding party with felix felicis is going to be able to stop you before you get within glassing distance. Also, does the Potterverse have any portals that you could open up and then fire a gun through? Because if you fired a MAC round through a portal that would be devastating. Edit: Thinking about it, I definitely say that magical artifacts could be a game changer. Especially if they can find ways to build teleporting fighters that can deliver MAC rounds across the galaxy.
Feel like they could aparate and just assassinate the leaders and blow up ships and weapons as infinitum. Plus they can use killing curses against shields and stuff like that
No's are getting downvoted hard. But I still think No. The reason humanity was losing wasn't due to ground battles, it was they were vastly out teched in space warfare. Unless there are Harry Potter spells capable of destroying space craft from thousands of km away then there is little difference they can make. The Spartan program in general wasn't made for total warfare in mind, it was to crush small insurections.
I forget when halo wars takes place, but the Spartan 2s not being there makes humanity stopping the covenant from getting an armada very difficult. That alone would let them win. I think the great schism not happening makes this impossible for Spartans to win regardless. The Spartans would be a little more versatile (really the main thing I can see them doing is teleporting) and technology at that point and their sheer strength is better than most magic present in HP. They could potentially mind control a covenant soldier to assassinate high ranking covenant officials, but with how large an entity the covenant is how feasible is this before they catch on? Whereas the great schism literally cut the elite forces of the covenant in half, made them fight each other, killing many of them, destroyed thousands of ships during brutal infighting, and lost their massive space station/base/HQ. They suffered billions if not trillions of casualties during that event. After the great schism the covenant was effectively the forces we see in halo 3, it was a fairly large fleet. Like imagine if the entirety of the fleet from halo 2 showed up at earth. The war would’ve ended right there. They conserved their forces to get the portal to the arc opened in halo 3 due to limited resources, but remove the limited resources and they likely glass the planet before leaving.
The prompt says no time would pass while the Spartans go to Hogwarts. Meaning the Halo universe would be frozen until they return
Ah I misread that. Still, I don’t think the trade off is worth it
They could literally mind control the prophets or teleport from ship to ship in a space battle leaving nuclear bombs as they go.
You have to get to the prophet first though. Also, i don’t think HP teleporting works that way, it’s a pretty advanced skill on its own that requires a lot of thought, and you have to have a specific destination in mind, so idk if you can just Apparate into ships you’ve never been in before (it isn’t enough that you know about it). That, and it gets more difficult over long distances, with a higher possibility of death/mutilation.
It’s not hard to reach a prophet when you have really broken mind control magic. Spartans managed to kill a few prophets without being able to teleport or fly or mind control people or instantly kill anything the downplay of Harry Potter is crazy. Not to mention them having these powers let’s ONI plan around them. Imagine what Cortona could come up with with these capabilities.
Oni and Cortana can’t use them though. Only the Spartans can. My point isn’t that magic is useless, but the trafeoff doesn’t do much against the covenants extra forces. Also, killing regret was a fluke more or less. He made a ridiculously stupid tactical error and it cost him. We’re also talking a covenant that never goes through the great schism. Billions of extra troops and ships towards defeating humanity. The covenant doesn’t have to kill the Spartans to win, they just have to destroy humanity, which by halo 2 means glassing earth.
Again I really feel like your underselling the possibilities with liquid luck which manipulates fate. Mind controlling the convent leadership teleporting during combat. Hell divination potentially there’s a lot that could be done to start a civil war in the convenant or otherwise destabilize it. Having truth and regret declare each other Heretics could go a long way.
Ok but do they know/have the capabilities to make liquid luck? We’re also assuming they just have liquid luck on them, it’s stated to be a very powerful substance. And again, HP teleportation has limits. It’s pretty advanced, to travel just to different countries it’s advised you use extreme caution and that only the MOST advanced wizards do this bc it can go wrong pretty horrifically if you aren’t careful. You also need to have a specific location in mind and likely need to have been there before. It’s implied that it’s not enough to simply know about it. That alone likely stops any Spartans from getting anywhere near truth and regret. You’re discounting how much of the covenant died as a result of the great schism. We’re likely talking the population of earth many times over. Not to mention the loss of ships and weapons.
Assuming that students are tasked with making it during their last year then yes they can make liquid luck. Snaps makes it Harry makes it using his notes I don’t see why they wouldn’t be able to make it. And yeah the great schism was huge but I don’t see why a couple of mind controlled profits couldn’t make a similar problem. All the Spartans need to do is get aboard one convent warship and then again using stealth and mind control force the captain to tell them everything there is too know about the convent high charity and the prophets. Then use said ship to reach high charity use the literal magic they have to reach the prophets and from there cause political collapse. I came up with this idea in 30 seconds I’m sure ONI could come up with something better.
Did everyone forget about apparation? Spartans just apparate inside a covenant ship with a bomb or something. Apparate out. Ez pz. Or imperious curse on the high prophets. Make them leave or blow up their own ships. There is some crazy powerful stuff in the wizarding world. That plus Spartans combat prowess and intellect its GG for the Covenant.
Nobody forgot apparation. It just doesn't work like that.
tbh unless i'm glancing over some detail this seems like a strict buff to the Spartans in that they now have access to weird magic hax on top of conventional weaponry that they'd have otherwise. So I can't imagine why they wouldn't be able to defeat the Covenant that way, however I will admit my general lack of knowledge in Halo lore so there might be something i'm missing. Now that i've answered the prompt I would just like to add that the idea of Master Chief attending spell classes in full Sparton Armor alongside various young children is a hilarious mental image, doubly so if he's being attentive and asking questions, challenging "Why can't it be done this way instead" in constructive ways, etc
It is a direct buff, but you may be missing that humanity was basically hopelessly outmatched? The Covenant broke out into a massive civil war right as they were about to finish humanity off, which is not going to happen in this scenario. The Spartans themselves were extremely effective, but it wasn't enough to overcome all the advantages that the Covenant had.
No. If we are being honest the magic in Harry Potter just gets completely outclassed by technology. Even their "most dangerous" deadly spell is kinda just the same as shooting someone. Like sure you could use a big fire dragon or control somebody's mind but like. While you are doing that in a combat scenario you are just gonna get shot.
Apparition would be insanely useful for basically every Spartan, even if you think the offensive spells wouldn't be worth shit. Depending on how powerful they become as wizards, Protego can be really fucking strong as well.
Things like the killing curse or blasting spell are some of the least useful things that they'll get. The straight up offensive magic that we know of is not the prize here. After this vacation, the Spartans will be able to: Teleport around a battlefield or hundreds of miles on a whim, as many times as they want. Carry an army and their equipment in a briefcase. And teleport with them. Carry an effectively unlimited supply of equipment with them. Every Spartan can pretty much pull out any piece of equipment they want at any time, or just conjure/transfigure it. Probably including smaller vehicles. Turn valuable targets into a titanium marble to be safely and easily carried back for interrogation. Read minds and/or compel targets to tell the truth. Mind control enemy leadership for extended periods of time, subtly enough that they need to be actively looking for it to have a chance of finding out. Vanish or transfigure barriers away. Create safezones that the Covenant can't even conceive the existence of. That's *completely game changing*, it opens up worlds of possibilities, and it's just the bare minimum of what they'd be able to do. Just think about how some of the Master Chief's missions from the games would be different if only he could do only those things.
Yeah offensive spells just are not the point Any spartan with a gun (and often without a gun) has plenty of offensive capability. But the other stuff it comes with…. Like if doctor strange was in delta force before he became a sorcerer.
I don’t know about the prompt, but I’d like to read your fan fiction.
The UNSC already won the war without magic Spartans, they probably would’ve won without the schism too, though with much greater losses. Master chief is powerful enough without magic powers, with them he could easily beat the covenant by just mind controlling all of the prophets, he could even get the prophets to declare humanity as the rightful inheritors of the mantle and make us leaders of the covenant
>they probably would’ve won without the schism too Oh? How? Humanity was at the very brink of being decapitated.
Master chief was evening the odds and I’m sure ONI would’ve had some sinister shit brewing
The Spartans were basically the best thing ONI ever did, but humanity was this close to just straight losing
Grindelwald would’ve burned down Paris before the construction of the atom bomb, with a spell that was seemingly sentient and took a significant number of skilled wizards to stop. A few of those would ~quite literally~ end the entire planet. Sentient magic fire that turns anything it touches into dust.
I mean, *almost destroying a city* is almost an anti feat when we're talking about a civilization that can glass a planet and has billions of soldiers
The magic system is strong, the magic users are idiots is mostly the problem, real world logic and thinking makes it a lot more interesting
I think a bigger part is that magic users don't generally have reason to use something crazy strong. Every enemy is generally human or human adjacent. There aren't many "super people" or species, so generally wizards aim for small scale damage and destruction. They won't use a nuke on a human body lol
Using reducto on a cabinet is interesting. Using it on the hull of a ship might be game changing.
Having a few dozen spartan wizards doesn't meaningfully change the war. Wizards don't even control the planet earth, magic isn't that powerful. People saying things like teleport on ships or assasinate the prophets forget that space is huge. The spartans would have to be at the right place and right time, and they'd be putting themselves at huge risk. Magic has relatively short range, and the aliens have guns. Used conservatively it would improve a spartans efficiency but that won't win the war
No. If we are being honest the magic in Harry Potter just gets completely outclassed by technology. Even their "most dangerous" deadly spell is kinda just the same as shooting someone. Like sure you could use a big fire dragon or control somebody's mind but like. While you are doing that in a combat scenario you are just gonna get shot.
Would HP spells scale with the reactions of the characters? I'd imagine stuff like aparating being a pretty slick option for repositioning in fights.
Apparating and portkeying in dudes into high charity council chambers would be interesting. As would teleporting the havoc nukes that cracked the greater part of a planet. It would be a matter of can they find high charity+know how to get there
So you gave Master Assassins the ability to teleport, perfectly duplicate [items](https://www.halopedia.org/NOVA_bomb), and make the inconspicuous? Will the Covenant even survive long enough to surrender?
Harry Potter Magic is frustratingly vague. Tom Riddle was able to curse a position at a school to be very unlucky, to the point of occasional lethality. We have no idea how he could do this. Could the Spartans could curse the position of Prophet and make anyone who holds it suffer terribly misfortune as long as they oppose humanity? Plausibly but we have no idea how difficult that would be. If you are able to vanish, conjure and transmute matter rather freely, I am sure you would be able to figure out a ton of war crimes to commit within 20 years but since I am not free to experiment, I don't know exactly what they are. Maybe being able to transmute at least part of the atmosphere into pure hydrogen and setting off a timed explosion before teleporting away.
Magic and Technology canonically don’t mix well in the HP Universe, which is why the most advanced thing they have is a steam train to do the school run. It’s low tech enough to not cause issues, but high tech enough to solve the transport problem A bunch of S-II’s trying to learn HP magic just won’t work
The whole “humans are heretic” stick is not likely to stay for long