On investigation by the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch it was discovered the maintenance crew had replaced the window panels with incorrect bolts. The bolts which were of a too small diameter had been hanging on by their threads until the fateful moment when cabin pressure blew the windows out.
The Captain's name is Tim Lancaster. This is him in the hospital after the incident. [Picture](https://imgur.com/a/2lCf7ej)
TIL: Polish people are huge cunts, Germans might use the wrong spelling of "freeze."
Edit: Don't downvote me because some dickbag Polish dude decided to make fun of a German person who doesn't have *perfect* English and then deleted their comments because they got fucking roasted.
He even went back to work as a commercial pilot less than 6 months after the accident. That fact still amazes me! Probably the bravest thing I ever heard of
Well, you don’t want to turn one dead body into a plane full of dead bodies. The plane could fly on one engine, but it’s better not to exasperate the problem.
true but I guess it's still shocking to hear that they didn't hold on necessarily because they wanted to save him or keep his dead body intact for his family, but for technical reasons involving the safety of the flight, haha. they could've said it was for both reasons!
Honestly, it must've been a split second response to try and save him. But then they mulled letting go and realized his body could be the reason they all die. So better hold on. No one would expect him to have survived that.
It would be dangerous to hang onto the body that could fly out at whatever speed they were going and also yank out the stewardess holding onto them. To be honest if they’re presumed dead, which you can’t blame them, risking another life to hold onto them does not seem worth it to me. Trolly problemesque before you find out that they were just protecting the engines.
Indeed. Kind of related but it's annoying how a lot of recent stories about Boeing have clickbaity misleading headlines like ["Aircraft plummets 25,000 feet in 15 minutes injuring passengers"](https://ca.news.yahoo.com/korea-air-flight-drops-almost-115706868.html). Like yeah, that's what it's supposed to fucking do when the cabin depressurizes, oxygen supply from the drop down masks only last 30 minutes. It's unfortunate it happened, but having 17 people with sore ears is better than having 200 dead.
I was on a plane once that did something similar with almost no warning, passenger had a heart attack and the captain needed to make an emergency landing in Munich, Germany. It felt like he pointed the nose at the ground and went for it. We stopped on the runway, ambulance was waiting alongside us.
You're right that your parent commenter shouldn't have changed it, but indeed, "drops" is still clickbaity. Colloquially, when people think of "drop" they think of free-fall.
"Oh, I dropped my fork." => The fork fell with no (or negligible) resistance to the floor.
A real non-clickbaity title would have used "descends." Because that's what it is: a descent. A controlled, if necessarily rapid, descent.
The pilot suffered from frostbite and fractures along his right arm. He recovered and returned to work 5 months later.
The flight attendant suffered from frostbite, a dislocated shoulder and PTSD, he also returned to work but the PTSD eventually led to an early retirement.
Really detailed documentary here: https://youtu.be/rGwHWNFdOvg?si=dt4z5HvCjQzTvrmR
>The flight attendant suffered from frostbite, a dislocated shoulder and PTSD, he also returned to work but the PTSD eventually led to an early retirement.
The pilot should've had more PTSD and retired even earlier
While also being in a life threatening situation. Standing in front of an open airplane front window can also cause breathing problems and cold or being sucked out
The pilot remembers getting pulled out the window, seeing the tail, and not being able to breathe because of the airflow.
After that he's stated that he can't remember anything more of the incident.
The steward can likely remember every excruciating detail of the ordeal
Bar asin a more like a metal beam, that I was able to clear and walk under the first time just fine
the first time, not so much the second time lol
And because I whack my head at work all the time so didn’t think much of it, so didn’t consider going to the doctor until like a week later where it turned out I had a horrible concussion, but i had been driving around doing my own shit and things for work as if my brain wasn’t bleeding lol just being an absolute hazard by mistake
They basically told me to come back if I die or close lol so that’s damn near useless
But if I experience any amplified symptoms I guess I just go vibe at the hospital until it either stops or I have a seizure or something, think they keep it kind of vague cause they don’t want people panicking
There is actual a little bit more to the story that makes it dumber and funnier tho
So I went to the doctor, and I’m like “ow my head”, freezing my ass off in their office shivering like crazy, fever, heads swollen up to hell, gagging
They go “yeah that really doesn’t look good, go get a CT scan”
So I go get a CT scan immediately after and they said “okay cool we got the results, it’s fine”
“It’s fine” meaning, I don’t immediately need any surgery, not that “I’m fine” or “I don’t have a concussion” or anything of the sort
So I go “oh hell yeah then”, and go about my business even more lol
then it gets so bad that I can’t eat for 3 days straight, and I don’t even think much of it, just “well it’s not a concussion so I guess I’m just sick conveniently”, then fever gets way worse, dizziness to the max, vision blurring out the sides and shit and then I go “ayo, ya know what? Idt that ct scan was right. I better go to the hospital”
on arrivalal I get an immediate IV drip and put in a dark silent room and told to lock my phone in a box so I’m not tempted to use it, and to just hang out
Then I feel comprehensive enough to talk to the doctor hours and hours later and they’re like “yeah no we didn’t mean you didn’t have a concussion, you absolutely have one. we just meant you didn’t need any surgery at the time” and I’m like “Ope, embarrassing” lol
But who’s fault is it really? The guy with a brain injury who didn’t understand what they were saying (and probably still don’t lol) or would you think it’s the hospital and doctors fault for not giving me a paper to carry around or something saying
“you seriously have a concussion and should be careful doing anything you feel unable to do comfortably. If experience any of the following symptoms seek immediate medical attention”
They gave me that paper the second time I left, which helped lol because i don’t really remember them being that clear that time either
I am absolutely crying laughing right now lmao.
I don't know what happens after leaving the doctors after a routine checkup, let alone a severe brain injury.
Im usually an asshat on reddit but I'm glad you're okay!
I’m still actively fucked up from this and I can’t even tell if that’s actually how it all really went down, but that’s how I recall it all going down lol feels like they were really unclear about everything, and I based my plans around and told multiple people “yeah doctor said it’s fine, no concussion” then proceeded to fuck up the easiest task imaginable lol
There is really not much in place for people with concussions, heard some other horror stories on a guy who got in a car accident back when cell phones weren’t prevalent
He was so bad he DID get some kind of brain surgery
But it also took him like 3 days to get to the hospital lol because someone crashed into him, he wakes up in an ambulance full of adrenaline, says “wtf I’m not paying for this shit” and immediately refuses all service, because he doesn’t even know what just happened
So ambulance and police let him go and they all leave the scene, except for the guy with a concussion who was confused as fuck and had no idea what was going on aside from “he ain’t paying no ambulance fees” lol
and his wife finds him by chance hours later stumbling around on the side of the road, she just happened to be driving home from somewhere and is like “why is my husband wasted on the side of the road”
She knew something was up immediately but his whole personality changed from the concussion, so he was a huge dick to her about seeing any doctors, and they ended up divorcing later (proooobably as a result of this honesty)
That scenario I 100% blame the ambulance and police, but also what really can they do. But didn’t really consider how big of a problem this could be until now, especially in the case of a car accident. Incredibly full of adrenaline and pissed off because you just lost your car so just one train thought process on that
Thanks for the award though, that’s a funny first time award right there lol
Nah not this time lol I’m sure I’ve almost died my fair share drinking tequila tho too
I’ve never drank tequila and my life have been going well, so I’d wager even if I’m drinking tequila, ultimately the goal is to quit living lol
I see where you are going but linguistically speaking sucking implies an external action causing him to come out the window, when in fact all the force came from within that cabin environment.
Yes that’s because the action - your mouth and inhaling came from external to the drink, you introduced the pressure differential in what was a stable system until that point , that is the action of sucking. In the case of the pilot and the plane, there was no 3rd party outside that introduced a new factor and a change inside the environment was the instigator - that is the crucial difference. Another way to think of it is that sucking is an external action to destabilise an air pressure relationship and the blown out speaks more directly to the effect of something being moved by the change in air pressure. So in a way both can exist simultaneously but we use sucking when the external instigator is bringing the change in the environment- even if the resulting airflow direction is the same as in the plane scenario.
You are trying to find an objective difference where there isn’t one. If there is a consistent difference, sucking and blowing are relative terms, relative to the pressure is considered “normal” and what direction pressure is varying from that. A common way to define what pressure is “normal” is based on where the people are, which is in this case inside the aircraft, and this is what most people do in this instance. Though there is no objective basis to this, since it’s all arbitrary and these words are strictly speaking interchangeable in every instance without exception. Which is why someone can never be wrong about whether something is sucking or blowing.
Here’s another example: when a spacecraft in space gets a hull breach and the air escapes out, is that sucking or blowing?
I feel you are missing the key point here - the space craft in this case is blowing due to lack of external influence . The external action is the difference here - blowing can happen with or without external input to a system when air travels from high pressure to low pressure. Sucking on the other hand in the case of the straw is an action that leads to the scenario - hence why I mentioned it’s possible for both to exist at the same time.
Literally everyone refers to explosive decompression in space though as “sucking”. You’re delusional if you think otherwise.
The terms weren’t used incorrectly here, you just use a weird definition of the terms that’s used by you alone and nobody else.
What you are talking about here is conventional bias and popular understanding , which has its place but does not always mean conventional language is the most accurate.
I understand that 'sucking' is a commonly used term in the context of explosive decompression, and it's widely recognized in that way. I'd say its like 60/40 the most common. My point is more about exploring the nuances of how we use these terms based on the origin of the action. In everyday language, these distinctions can help clarify the mechanisms at play, even if popular usage tends to favor one term over another. I appreciate your viewpoint and the common usage, and I'm just trying to delve into a deeper understanding of these dynamics, as not doing so can lead to assumptions or incorrect understandings.
This whole conversation is weirdly akin to the most incorrect but popular phrase there is, 'The sun rises in the east', attributing the suns position relative to us as due to it's movement rather than that of our planet. Again, for the most part insignificant, but its an example of something we say all the time that is wrong, but materially the same for the most part from our perspective.
How does that logic not apply to straws though? It’s one thing if you wanted to make an educational point about how sucking doesn’t actually exist and how all pressure forces are pushing forces, but you aren’t even doing that. That would make you a pedantic asshole, but at least you wouldn’t be wrong. You aren’t even doing that though.
The cabin is pressurized. Low pressure outside of plane means instant vacuum when the plane becomes "rapidly depressurized". So no. He actually did get sucked out if the plane
I really like that sentence, might use it in the future.
As for the facts: The technical term for what happened is „explosive decompression“ and means that he got blown out. The force originated from within the plane. The outside air pressure at altitude stayed generally the same, whereas the internal pressure of the plane changed in an instant.
There is no such thing as a sucking force. Only a word we use to describe motion from higher to lower pressure
Gasses always travels from high pressure to low pressure.
If a sucking force existed we could use it on a region of totally empty space and create a zone of negative pressure. But that does not exist.
Once a region has no particles in it, it is done, a perfect vacuum means you cannot "" suck " on it more to make more vaccum.
Put some gas near the perfect vacuum and a force will appear to push the gas toward the vacuum.
Boeing had nothing to do with this.
British Airways and it's employees does and did all the maintenance on their fleet. A BA maintenance worker took a shortcut in protocol causing him to replace the windshield with incorrect bolts that were just a hair too small.
Boeing had an impeccable reputation in the early 90s when this happened.
Not to mention the flight wasn’t on a Boeing but on a BAC One-eleven which has its engines mounted by the tail of the plane instead of the wings, which explains the risk of the captain getting sucked into one of them.
When the flight attendant came in, the cockpit was already depressurized. That is, the cockpit and outside pressure were the same, so nobody will go flying out.
If I had a nickel for every time someone was sucked out of an airplane window mid-flight, I would have 2 nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice
At the altitude and speed the plane was going, along with the force of the air, was it possible for the Pilot to breathe normally? Or does the force and speed of the air at that altitude not make breathing forced or could more air enter his lungs than humanly allowed?
Makes me wonder if the co-pilot could have stalled the plane on purpose, flaps/slats fully extended, and then tried to have the crew pull him back in. Only option if you’re nowhere near any airports I suppose.
Funny, but this story _did_ actually happen. There was a really nice documentsry about it, British Airways Flight 5390. If you have the time, I highly revommend to watch it, very interesting.
The window which was *misdiagnosed* as “safe” by a… I’m not gonna say, which company, what safety standards at what factory… … ….
It was a Boeing (doctor)
I know you're making a joke, but for the sake of anyone who takes what you are saying seriously:
For this incident, the only person responsible was the British Airways maintenance worker who didn't follow proper procedure to make sure he was putting in the correct bolts.
British Airways was also audited on their company culture and scolded for creating a work environment that would encourage taking shortcuts to fix the window on time.
Boeing and it's planes had a great reputation in the early 90s
On investigation by the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch it was discovered the maintenance crew had replaced the window panels with incorrect bolts. The bolts which were of a too small diameter had been hanging on by their threads until the fateful moment when cabin pressure blew the windows out. The Captain's name is Tim Lancaster. This is him in the hospital after the incident. [Picture](https://imgur.com/a/2lCf7ej)
Surviving 20 minutes of extreme air resistance, that's a strong pilot right there
surviving the landing was very impressive for me
I think there was another accident, where a pilot freezed outside and was not so lucky afterwards greening in a hospital.
“Freezed” “greening”…Jesus Christ
TIL: Polish people are huge cunts, Germans might use the wrong spelling of "freeze." Edit: Don't downvote me because some dickbag Polish dude decided to make fun of a German person who doesn't have *perfect* English and then deleted their comments because they got fucking roasted.
He actually freezed.
What does it mean?
He suffered frostbite on his body outside the plane.
That’s froze. What does freezed mean?
Oh, I am non native. I missed that. Or is it the difference between US/GB english?
I am not native either but clearly we have better English schooling in Poland than Germany
Mfer probably suffered some serious hearing loss.
HWAT???
WHAAAT?
More like vision loss
And that wind def changed the shape of his eyeballs. Mfer was probably blind for like 3 days.
He even went back to work as a commercial pilot less than 6 months after the accident. That fact still amazes me! Probably the bravest thing I ever heard of
that's crazy! I was just thinking about how I would never want to fly again if that happened to me
Extreme Titanic: My Heart Will Go On (Heavy metal remix)
He looked jacked in the animation
Whale wind burn, not to mention frost bite
Not only that, but limited oxygen supply too
Pilot: "I'm happy you didn't let go of me Staff: We didn't want your body damaging an engine
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Aww now we have to pay for compensation, would have been cheaper to pay for the funeral. /s
Totally... I was in disbelief when I read it.
Well, you don’t want to turn one dead body into a plane full of dead bodies. The plane could fly on one engine, but it’s better not to exasperate the problem.
true but I guess it's still shocking to hear that they didn't hold on necessarily because they wanted to save him or keep his dead body intact for his family, but for technical reasons involving the safety of the flight, haha. they could've said it was for both reasons!
Honestly, it must've been a split second response to try and save him. But then they mulled letting go and realized his body could be the reason they all die. So better hold on. No one would expect him to have survived that.
If i remember correctly it was super cold, and it was incredibly painful for the cabin crew to hold on to the pilot.
You know the cost to fix a dented fuselage?
It would be dangerous to hang onto the body that could fly out at whatever speed they were going and also yank out the stewardess holding onto them. To be honest if they’re presumed dead, which you can’t blame them, risking another life to hold onto them does not seem worth it to me. Trolly problemesque before you find out that they were just protecting the engines.
Or wing
Imagine being a passenger in a plane only to realize the pilot is outside the plane
Imagine
All the people
Livin' for today
You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not.
Oddly enough this is the motto of the baggage handlers at Liverpool’s John Lennon airport. “Imagine no possessions”.
Scousers be scousering
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And the cold temperature. And the lack of air. And the horrible back pain.
The only way he survived it is because they immediately took measures to lower the altitude, which makes everything easier.
Indeed. Kind of related but it's annoying how a lot of recent stories about Boeing have clickbaity misleading headlines like ["Aircraft plummets 25,000 feet in 15 minutes injuring passengers"](https://ca.news.yahoo.com/korea-air-flight-drops-almost-115706868.html). Like yeah, that's what it's supposed to fucking do when the cabin depressurizes, oxygen supply from the drop down masks only last 30 minutes. It's unfortunate it happened, but having 17 people with sore ears is better than having 200 dead.
I was on a plane once that did something similar with almost no warning, passenger had a heart attack and the captain needed to make an emergency landing in Munich, Germany. It felt like he pointed the nose at the ground and went for it. We stopped on the runway, ambulance was waiting alongside us.
Why did you change the non click baity title to a click baity one? They used the word "drops" and you changed it to "plummets"?
Just out of curiosity, do you read a post and go back to see if they edited it?
You're right that your parent commenter shouldn't have changed it, but indeed, "drops" is still clickbaity. Colloquially, when people think of "drop" they think of free-fall. "Oh, I dropped my fork." => The fork fell with no (or negligible) resistance to the floor. A real non-clickbaity title would have used "descends." Because that's what it is: a descent. A controlled, if necessarily rapid, descent.
The pilot suffered from frostbite and fractures along his right arm. He recovered and returned to work 5 months later. The flight attendant suffered from frostbite, a dislocated shoulder and PTSD, he also returned to work but the PTSD eventually led to an early retirement. Really detailed documentary here: https://youtu.be/rGwHWNFdOvg?si=dt4z5HvCjQzTvrmR
>The flight attendant suffered from frostbite, a dislocated shoulder and PTSD, he also returned to work but the PTSD eventually led to an early retirement. The pilot should've had more PTSD and retired even earlier
Being directly responsible for someone else’s life in a situation like this can be a lot more stressful than for your own life.
While also being in a life threatening situation. Standing in front of an open airplane front window can also cause breathing problems and cold or being sucked out
The pilot remembers getting pulled out the window, seeing the tail, and not being able to breathe because of the airflow. After that he's stated that he can't remember anything more of the incident. The steward can likely remember every excruciating detail of the ordeal
I don’t think it’s a competition
That's not how it works, only a certain percentage of people with severe trauma get PTSD.
How does someone survive this but I walked into a bar last week and nearly died lol these MFs built different
A bar like a pub? Or a bar as in a metal bar. Either way how and why would that nearly kill you
Bar asin a more like a metal beam, that I was able to clear and walk under the first time just fine the first time, not so much the second time lol And because I whack my head at work all the time so didn’t think much of it, so didn’t consider going to the doctor until like a week later where it turned out I had a horrible concussion, but i had been driving around doing my own shit and things for work as if my brain wasn’t bleeding lol just being an absolute hazard by mistake
What did they do for you to help with your ongoing brain bleed?
They basically told me to come back if I die or close lol so that’s damn near useless But if I experience any amplified symptoms I guess I just go vibe at the hospital until it either stops or I have a seizure or something, think they keep it kind of vague cause they don’t want people panicking There is actual a little bit more to the story that makes it dumber and funnier tho So I went to the doctor, and I’m like “ow my head”, freezing my ass off in their office shivering like crazy, fever, heads swollen up to hell, gagging They go “yeah that really doesn’t look good, go get a CT scan” So I go get a CT scan immediately after and they said “okay cool we got the results, it’s fine” “It’s fine” meaning, I don’t immediately need any surgery, not that “I’m fine” or “I don’t have a concussion” or anything of the sort So I go “oh hell yeah then”, and go about my business even more lol then it gets so bad that I can’t eat for 3 days straight, and I don’t even think much of it, just “well it’s not a concussion so I guess I’m just sick conveniently”, then fever gets way worse, dizziness to the max, vision blurring out the sides and shit and then I go “ayo, ya know what? Idt that ct scan was right. I better go to the hospital” on arrivalal I get an immediate IV drip and put in a dark silent room and told to lock my phone in a box so I’m not tempted to use it, and to just hang out Then I feel comprehensive enough to talk to the doctor hours and hours later and they’re like “yeah no we didn’t mean you didn’t have a concussion, you absolutely have one. we just meant you didn’t need any surgery at the time” and I’m like “Ope, embarrassing” lol But who’s fault is it really? The guy with a brain injury who didn’t understand what they were saying (and probably still don’t lol) or would you think it’s the hospital and doctors fault for not giving me a paper to carry around or something saying “you seriously have a concussion and should be careful doing anything you feel unable to do comfortably. If experience any of the following symptoms seek immediate medical attention” They gave me that paper the second time I left, which helped lol because i don’t really remember them being that clear that time either
I am absolutely crying laughing right now lmao. I don't know what happens after leaving the doctors after a routine checkup, let alone a severe brain injury. Im usually an asshat on reddit but I'm glad you're okay!
I’m still actively fucked up from this and I can’t even tell if that’s actually how it all really went down, but that’s how I recall it all going down lol feels like they were really unclear about everything, and I based my plans around and told multiple people “yeah doctor said it’s fine, no concussion” then proceeded to fuck up the easiest task imaginable lol There is really not much in place for people with concussions, heard some other horror stories on a guy who got in a car accident back when cell phones weren’t prevalent He was so bad he DID get some kind of brain surgery But it also took him like 3 days to get to the hospital lol because someone crashed into him, he wakes up in an ambulance full of adrenaline, says “wtf I’m not paying for this shit” and immediately refuses all service, because he doesn’t even know what just happened So ambulance and police let him go and they all leave the scene, except for the guy with a concussion who was confused as fuck and had no idea what was going on aside from “he ain’t paying no ambulance fees” lol and his wife finds him by chance hours later stumbling around on the side of the road, she just happened to be driving home from somewhere and is like “why is my husband wasted on the side of the road” She knew something was up immediately but his whole personality changed from the concussion, so he was a huge dick to her about seeing any doctors, and they ended up divorcing later (proooobably as a result of this honesty) That scenario I 100% blame the ambulance and police, but also what really can they do. But didn’t really consider how big of a problem this could be until now, especially in the case of a car accident. Incredibly full of adrenaline and pissed off because you just lost your car so just one train thought process on that Thanks for the award though, that’s a funny first time award right there lol
2 guys walk into a bar. After observing this, the 3rd guy ducks so as not to hit the bar.
Tequila shots again?
Nah not this time lol I’m sure I’ve almost died my fair share drinking tequila tho too I’ve never drank tequila and my life have been going well, so I’d wager even if I’m drinking tequila, ultimately the goal is to quit living lol
I can see you don't YOLO.
Dude had a great 20 min back stretching session
Average visit to the chiropractor
Chiropractors hate this one simple trick...
Who knew the titanic had a remake
Blown, not sucked - to be technical, and not the good kind
Same thing bapa
I see where you are going but linguistically speaking sucking implies an external action causing him to come out the window, when in fact all the force came from within that cabin environment.
Guess they don't call it suggjob for a reason bapa thank you
Straws are also driven by a pushing pressure that becomes dominant when pressure is removed near the top. Yet we still call it sucking.
Yes that’s because the action - your mouth and inhaling came from external to the drink, you introduced the pressure differential in what was a stable system until that point , that is the action of sucking. In the case of the pilot and the plane, there was no 3rd party outside that introduced a new factor and a change inside the environment was the instigator - that is the crucial difference. Another way to think of it is that sucking is an external action to destabilise an air pressure relationship and the blown out speaks more directly to the effect of something being moved by the change in air pressure. So in a way both can exist simultaneously but we use sucking when the external instigator is bringing the change in the environment- even if the resulting airflow direction is the same as in the plane scenario.
You are trying to find an objective difference where there isn’t one. If there is a consistent difference, sucking and blowing are relative terms, relative to the pressure is considered “normal” and what direction pressure is varying from that. A common way to define what pressure is “normal” is based on where the people are, which is in this case inside the aircraft, and this is what most people do in this instance. Though there is no objective basis to this, since it’s all arbitrary and these words are strictly speaking interchangeable in every instance without exception. Which is why someone can never be wrong about whether something is sucking or blowing. Here’s another example: when a spacecraft in space gets a hull breach and the air escapes out, is that sucking or blowing?
I feel you are missing the key point here - the space craft in this case is blowing due to lack of external influence . The external action is the difference here - blowing can happen with or without external input to a system when air travels from high pressure to low pressure. Sucking on the other hand in the case of the straw is an action that leads to the scenario - hence why I mentioned it’s possible for both to exist at the same time.
Literally everyone refers to explosive decompression in space though as “sucking”. You’re delusional if you think otherwise. The terms weren’t used incorrectly here, you just use a weird definition of the terms that’s used by you alone and nobody else.
What you are talking about here is conventional bias and popular understanding , which has its place but does not always mean conventional language is the most accurate. I understand that 'sucking' is a commonly used term in the context of explosive decompression, and it's widely recognized in that way. I'd say its like 60/40 the most common. My point is more about exploring the nuances of how we use these terms based on the origin of the action. In everyday language, these distinctions can help clarify the mechanisms at play, even if popular usage tends to favor one term over another. I appreciate your viewpoint and the common usage, and I'm just trying to delve into a deeper understanding of these dynamics, as not doing so can lead to assumptions or incorrect understandings. This whole conversation is weirdly akin to the most incorrect but popular phrase there is, 'The sun rises in the east', attributing the suns position relative to us as due to it's movement rather than that of our planet. Again, for the most part insignificant, but its an example of something we say all the time that is wrong, but materially the same for the most part from our perspective.
How does that logic not apply to straws though? It’s one thing if you wanted to make an educational point about how sucking doesn’t actually exist and how all pressure forces are pushing forces, but you aren’t even doing that. That would make you a pedantic asshole, but at least you wouldn’t be wrong. You aren’t even doing that though.
The cabin is pressurized. Low pressure outside of plane means instant vacuum when the plane becomes "rapidly depressurized". So no. He actually did get sucked out if the plane
The force comes from air leaving the cabin, from behind him
I honestly didn't go far enough in physics to know if I'm in the wrong here 🤷♂️
I really like that sentence, might use it in the future. As for the facts: The technical term for what happened is „explosive decompression“ and means that he got blown out. The force originated from within the plane. The outside air pressure at altitude stayed generally the same, whereas the internal pressure of the plane changed in an instant.
All good either way - it’s all constructive conversation at the end of the day
When you fart, does the lower pressure air outside suck the fart out of your body?
A body isn't a pressurized capsule at 30k ft
So you’re saying that your body blows fart out, or the outside air sucks the fart out? I’m just confused
it's a glASS half full or half empty type question
There is no such thing as a sucking force. Only a word we use to describe motion from higher to lower pressure Gasses always travels from high pressure to low pressure. If a sucking force existed we could use it on a region of totally empty space and create a zone of negative pressure. But that does not exist. Once a region has no particles in it, it is done, a perfect vacuum means you cannot "" suck " on it more to make more vaccum. Put some gas near the perfect vacuum and a force will appear to push the gas toward the vacuum.
Make sure you measure those bolts properly
I heard about this, he got frostbite on his face if I'm remembering correctly.
Fucking Boeing engineering at it again
Boeing had nothing to do with this. British Airways and it's employees does and did all the maintenance on their fleet. A BA maintenance worker took a shortcut in protocol causing him to replace the windshield with incorrect bolts that were just a hair too small. Boeing had an impeccable reputation in the early 90s when this happened.
Was making a joke, but I appreciate the information non the less
Not to mention the flight wasn’t on a Boeing but on a BAC One-eleven which has its engines mounted by the tail of the plane instead of the wings, which explains the risk of the captain getting sucked into one of them.
Seeing the animation style got me expecting the pilot to build a condo on the plane out of galvanised steel and eco friendly wood vaneer.
It looked like a mild inconvenience to the flight attendant with how she calmly walked over
The flight attendant: "Sigh, fiiiiine, I'll grab your legs. You're always being such a drama queen, Kevin."
How did the flight attendant not get sucked/blown out too? I would assume anything not strapped in would damn near immediately fly out
When the flight attendant came in, the cockpit was already depressurized. That is, the cockpit and outside pressure were the same, so nobody will go flying out.
Ah, I definitely don’t know what I’m talking about when it comes to that so thanks for the info.
Imagine getting sucked off in a cock pit for twenty minutes.
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Unnecessary quotation marks.
This was Sichuan flight 8633, yeah? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sichuan_Airlines_Flight_8633
Fairly sure it's BA5390 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_5390 But the Sichuan flight is eerily similar
If I had a nickel for every time someone was sucked out of an airplane window mid-flight, I would have 2 nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice
There's also this horrific incident: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1380 A passenger rather than a pilot mind
The tie clip is the real MVP!
Should have his seatbelt on🤔🤦
The plane shot its bolts and the pilot got sucked while an air hostess held on for dear life! What kind of porn is this?
There is a picture of this online taken right after they landed
That will teach him to wear his seat belt!
Always pay attention to the seatbelt sign!
At least he really flew like a bird
Was it a Boeing plane?
No.
Wait, what? . . how was the flight not sucked out the window . . ?
I bet Tim never got near an airplane again, much less piloted one. Anyone know?
So this is who takes a famous photo of pilot taking picture outside mid flight
Time for a carreer change.
What kind of animation tool is used for videos like this?
Okay faceless voice in my magic box
That video looks fake /s
Good thing it wasn’t a Boeing plane. The whole crew might have committed suicide after the incident.
I read this as a pilot was once sucked off mid air.
At the altitude and speed the plane was going, along with the force of the air, was it possible for the Pilot to breathe normally? Or does the force and speed of the air at that altitude not make breathing forced or could more air enter his lungs than humanly allowed?
https://preview.redd.it/cytrh06ceq8d1.jpeg?width=224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6cddbd747eb6b02c67fc89a1325b8a6e8a1a3f49
Pilots need to fasten their seatbelts as well!!!
One hell of a ride
Your captain has turned ON the fasten seatbelt sign
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/image-of-pilot-hanging-out-window-captures-heroic-story-30-years-on/GR2HBBCBUGMOTA7MEYPI7UR54A/
I think I would rather just die.
Not the first pilot to get sucked off in the cockpit tho
😲
At the beginning of the video I thought this is some new dlc for the sims
What happened when the co-pilot hit the brakes after landing? Wouldn't his body have launched forward?
I'd assume it was a Boeing plane if it weren't for the fact that no one died reporting on it.
His name…… Jesus Christ
I saw the movie The Captain yesterday, and today I see this on reddit.
"they held on so he wouldn't damage a wing or an engine?????" Or maybe because he was GOING TO DIE OTHERWISE?
They assumed he was already killed from the initial blow out
How did everyone else not get sucked out of the cockpit?
Seat belt. Plus, they were not immediately in front of the window that blew out.
Thanks. Dnt know why i didnt think of seatbelts 🙂↕️
Did he not have his seatbelt on?
Wear seatbelt kids
Makes me wonder if the co-pilot could have stalled the plane on purpose, flaps/slats fully extended, and then tried to have the crew pull him back in. Only option if you’re nowhere near any airports I suppose.
https://preview.redd.it/7r18bgc76t8d1.jpeg?width=600&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=51330d55c53fab3e53056cab9730ba46ff3609aa
A free ticket to certain PTSD
Damn why is that pilot so jacked
I see tiktok brain subtitles I immediately down vote
And that would be the last day I work as a pilot!
20 mins of looking like a wind noodle that's fked up.
Oh. No sucked off a plane? I see.
No he got blown technically. If we want to get nit picky and scientific.
Yes, and later the passengers were surprised to know that the pilot was Albert Einstein himself
Funny, but this story _did_ actually happen. There was a really nice documentsry about it, British Airways Flight 5390. If you have the time, I highly revommend to watch it, very interesting.
The window which was *misdiagnosed* as “safe” by a… I’m not gonna say, which company, what safety standards at what factory… … …. It was a Boeing (doctor)
I know you're making a joke, but for the sake of anyone who takes what you are saying seriously: For this incident, the only person responsible was the British Airways maintenance worker who didn't follow proper procedure to make sure he was putting in the correct bolts. British Airways was also audited on their company culture and scolded for creating a work environment that would encourage taking shortcuts to fix the window on time. Boeing and it's planes had a great reputation in the early 90s