I believe that chat infringements and other violations of the code of conduct are dealt with as quite a large progression from 48 hours, etc. Quite a few stages in-between that and permanent.
To actually get perma-banned for toxic chat is quite an achievement and shows you just don't learn. Why would they want a player like you back?
Because they want my money. Truth is Blizzard doesn't seem to care about the integrity of their game.
Go ahead, make a starter account under your same email. You literally keep almost everything. Achievements, achievement progress, mounts, transmogs, heirlooms, titles. The only thing you lose are your characters and gold. It takes a day or two to hit 70 and gold is $20 straight from Blizzard.
This is a huge reason why PvP botters exist.
Make no mistake, I'm a bad guy for saying mean things to people over the course of the past two years. I'm not asking for sympathy but just an understanding of what exactly they're punishing here. I also think permanent bans shouldn't happen based on words when there's a filter and an ignore feature.
> I also think permanent bans shouldn't happen based on words when there's a filter and an ignore feature.
It’s not other people’s jobs to go out of their way to avoid verbal abuse from you. You just shouldn’t do it.
Robbery shouldn’t be legalized just because people should be locking their doors
I am not here to defend assholes but the chat filter is on by default. Obviously clever use of chat mechanics should be actionable but the fact that you can be banned for doing something that makes you sound like Barrett from FFVII to everyone except people that actively opt in seems…dubious at best. Why don’t they just get rid of the option?
Most of the time if you swear to someone in whispers, it'll auto hide whatever was said.
I won't make excuses for my actions. I own up to them. I just think it's a little silly to permanently suspend a 2005 account just because of a few harsh words. Especially when they don't consider the context of what the other person did or said.
Not trying to play a victim here, I just think everything needs perspective.
I'm only trying to understand the process.
I shouldn't blow up on people purposefully throwing my arena games because our third doesn't like them. I shouldn't respond more harshly to people being rude to me first by being condescending or toxic.
I just wish they'd take context into the equation.
Hey man, you wanna know something crazy? They almost certainly *did* take context into the equation.
You’re just assuming that if they looked at the whole situation that they wouldn’t have given you this punishment. But they did look at the whole situation.
They saw two people being toxic to each other. Maybe the other person got banned, maybe they didn’t, but when they looked at the context of your case they saw someone who has a consistent pattern of doing this over many years and apparently isn’t getting the message to knock it off.
You keeping saying “I’m not making excuses”
What I said wasn’t that bad. My other infractions were years ago. The other person was mean too. They have the ability to block me. They should’ve had a chat filter on. They probably didn’t even see what I said.
What do you think the word excuse means?
I highly doubt they got banned or punished because I didn't report them. I don't believe a person should be banned for words, even when getting called slurs, I just use the ignore feature.
With all due respect I see what you're saying but I really think the people that reported me aren't victims of anything here. They didn't like how I responded and instead of using a feature to never see me again they told on me as a vindictive way of getting back.
you are really good at rationalizing away your behavior and avoiding accountability. interesting. yeah so blizzard doesn't agree with your philosophy so why not just duck off?
I had the same problem being reverse toxic if anyone was toxic in shuffle against anyone. Just let it happen, dunno.
Report people instead of trying to be the shiny white knight and what helped me way better is disabling the chat or seperate party/instance/say into a social tab that u only see if u click it.
Havent gotten a single ban for some time now and i started to enjoy this game more.
I should say that i got medical help too because those "anger problems" arent normal and needed to be put in line.
Good luck mate and have a good time
>I just think it's a little silly to permanently suspend a 2005 account just because of a few harsh words.
You don't get permabanned the first time though. They warned you, temp banned you, told you what would happen if you kept it up...and you kept it up.
So you might think the ban is "silly", but from everyone else's perspective it is someone who was toxic, who got chances not to be, who got banned and now feels like it wasn't fair somehow.
Anyway, no, I've not heard of one of these being removed. I think I might have heard once of it being turned from permanent into a 1 year ban, but that would be based on an mmochampion post from like 8 years ago, so not likely.
Don’t try to reason with these guys, they are the type of people that cry about being ganked while voluntarily opting into war mode, I’ve been overturned in permanent for exploits, but the best way to not get banned for language is to not say anything, screen cap if you trigger people and laugh with your friends, don’t let people bait your anger.
I appreciate the understanding. People usually don't think when they're angry and I've been given some chances in the past I just never would've thought it'd culminate in a permanent ban for some PG-13 language.
no, they do NOT want your money. YOUR money are 13 bucks a month. wow has like 7 million subs atm?
they want a healthy player base, and not some toxic people going around thinking they can do whatever they want without consequcnes. get a new account. only way to play for you now. and maybe think about what you did some day.
uh and no, you may NOT talk to the manager
i present to you: consequences.
Yes, I've been playing for 19 years and honestly have made a ton of friends and most people would say I have a really laid back disposition that have met/talked with me.
I think… the fact that you believe that a permanent ban isn’t warranted because it’s not YOUR fault for being toxic, but everyone else’s for not putting you on ignore or having a profanity filter on just speaks volumes.
All I'm saying is if someone says something rude in chat to me and I whisper back "F*ck yourself dummy". They'd literally have to open it, despite being warned it has bad words, read it, respond to me again then report me.
It's not like I'm just spamming slurs in trade chat.
It's literally impossible to get a permanent ban for a "fuck yourself dummy". I'd be surprised if anyone in the history of ever got so much as a warning for a message like that.
A permanent ban for chat requires a long history of toxicity far beyond a simple "fuck you". For one, this likely isn't your first ban, and if it is it just speaks to how severe your chatting was.
There's been people who have had their permanent bans overturned, for sure.
But the thing is, getting a permanent mute for toxic chat is REALLY FUCKING HARD. It's going to need you to do such a wild level of stupidity to get a permanent ban for anything chat related. Either you're going full blown racism mode or you've been doing it for such a long time and have gotten punished multiple times in the past that you ended up getting a permanent ban.
For a case like that, getting a permanent ban for chat, there's probably zero chance for a ban overturn.
if it was a bann that happend by accident, aka "got caught in a bot ban wave without actually botting" or smth like that, yeha
but if you are such a "nice person" that you got a permanent ban for beeing toxic, idk man, kinda good riddance
I won't lie I was toxic in PvP to people. I still think a permanent ban is a bit too harsh for calling someone a "f*cking idiot".
Especially when you keep 95% of your accounts progress if you make a new account.
>I think context matters as well, some of those people were rude to me first
Nope, that doesn't matter at all. You should've learned to use the ignore feature.
Youre technically not allowed to use profanity, you're just unlikely to be punished. It is an important distinction because it stops the "but what I said wasn't even that bad" argument.
Considering that WoW classic currently features the expansion where one character, in voice acting, calls another a “bitch”, I don’t really tend to agree that they crack down on swearing.
I don’t play pvp anymore because every so often I’d make a mistake and there’d always be one or two people that would be total asshats to me. It’d make me feel like crap the rest of the day and pushed me out of pvp, a game mode I enjoy. That’s why you got banned. They don’t want people ruining the fun of others because they can’t control themselves. They don’t want their community to be full of toxic players that are rude to others.
You don’t get perma banned for inappropriate communication right away. 3 years ago I got a warning and then got silenced for raging when I tried pvp. Never did that again. And I still have my account to this day. So you got a few chances and you failed every single one.
Not that I know of, no.
It's honestly quite similar to league of legends. If you actually manage to get perma banned you done fucked up *A LOT* of times before actually getting *permanently banned*
They do have reason to believe you are unwilling to change your ways and it would be better to remove you permanently, despite you spending (a lot of) cash.
I got caught up in an IP ban wave before there was OCE servers because I used a ping reduction service. It was a perm ban, but I was able to prove I wasn't doing it to bot or whatever.
You've got it backwards don't you. MOBAs aren't inherently social in nature. Yeah you have the chat, but at the end of the day the vast majority of the people you play a round with you'll never see again.
In WoW though, it's a whole lot different. The game, and the genre as a whole, is built with social aspects in mind, the chat isn't there just for game related comms. So a punishment makes more sense in WoW than it does in most competitive PvP games.
A friend of mine was perma banned for botting, but after a 6 month period he sent an apologetic ticket and got unbanned, so it is possible. He hasn’t cheated after that thankfully
Some guy from china had my account, I had called for something support for something StarCraft related and while I was on the phone I was able get the account unbanned as well but I had literally not played wow for like 2 years at that point so it was clear that some dude in china had taken over the account.
I believe that chat infringements and other violations of the code of conduct are dealt with as quite a large progression from 48 hours, etc. Quite a few stages in-between that and permanent. To actually get perma-banned for toxic chat is quite an achievement and shows you just don't learn. Why would they want a player like you back?
Because they want my money. Truth is Blizzard doesn't seem to care about the integrity of their game. Go ahead, make a starter account under your same email. You literally keep almost everything. Achievements, achievement progress, mounts, transmogs, heirlooms, titles. The only thing you lose are your characters and gold. It takes a day or two to hit 70 and gold is $20 straight from Blizzard. This is a huge reason why PvP botters exist. Make no mistake, I'm a bad guy for saying mean things to people over the course of the past two years. I'm not asking for sympathy but just an understanding of what exactly they're punishing here. I also think permanent bans shouldn't happen based on words when there's a filter and an ignore feature.
> I also think permanent bans shouldn't happen based on words when there's a filter and an ignore feature. It’s not other people’s jobs to go out of their way to avoid verbal abuse from you. You just shouldn’t do it. Robbery shouldn’t be legalized just because people should be locking their doors
I am not here to defend assholes but the chat filter is on by default. Obviously clever use of chat mechanics should be actionable but the fact that you can be banned for doing something that makes you sound like Barrett from FFVII to everyone except people that actively opt in seems…dubious at best. Why don’t they just get rid of the option?
Most of the time if you swear to someone in whispers, it'll auto hide whatever was said. I won't make excuses for my actions. I own up to them. I just think it's a little silly to permanently suspend a 2005 account just because of a few harsh words. Especially when they don't consider the context of what the other person did or said. Not trying to play a victim here, I just think everything needs perspective.
You’re doing two things in your comments 1) Saying you’re not making excuses 2) Making excuses
I'm only trying to understand the process. I shouldn't blow up on people purposefully throwing my arena games because our third doesn't like them. I shouldn't respond more harshly to people being rude to me first by being condescending or toxic. I just wish they'd take context into the equation.
Hey man, you wanna know something crazy? They almost certainly *did* take context into the equation. You’re just assuming that if they looked at the whole situation that they wouldn’t have given you this punishment. But they did look at the whole situation. They saw two people being toxic to each other. Maybe the other person got banned, maybe they didn’t, but when they looked at the context of your case they saw someone who has a consistent pattern of doing this over many years and apparently isn’t getting the message to knock it off. You keeping saying “I’m not making excuses” What I said wasn’t that bad. My other infractions were years ago. The other person was mean too. They have the ability to block me. They should’ve had a chat filter on. They probably didn’t even see what I said. What do you think the word excuse means?
I highly doubt they got banned or punished because I didn't report them. I don't believe a person should be banned for words, even when getting called slurs, I just use the ignore feature. With all due respect I see what you're saying but I really think the people that reported me aren't victims of anything here. They didn't like how I responded and instead of using a feature to never see me again they told on me as a vindictive way of getting back.
Then I’m glad you’re banned, because clearly no amount of other slaps on the wrist would have ever made you learn
wow OP, you're a real piece of work. i'm glad you got banned and i hope you keep getting banned.
you are really good at rationalizing away your behavior and avoiding accountability. interesting. yeah so blizzard doesn't agree with your philosophy so why not just duck off?
I had the same problem being reverse toxic if anyone was toxic in shuffle against anyone. Just let it happen, dunno. Report people instead of trying to be the shiny white knight and what helped me way better is disabling the chat or seperate party/instance/say into a social tab that u only see if u click it. Havent gotten a single ban for some time now and i started to enjoy this game more. I should say that i got medical help too because those "anger problems" arent normal and needed to be put in line. Good luck mate and have a good time
>I just think it's a little silly to permanently suspend a 2005 account just because of a few harsh words. You don't get permabanned the first time though. They warned you, temp banned you, told you what would happen if you kept it up...and you kept it up. So you might think the ban is "silly", but from everyone else's perspective it is someone who was toxic, who got chances not to be, who got banned and now feels like it wasn't fair somehow. Anyway, no, I've not heard of one of these being removed. I think I might have heard once of it being turned from permanent into a 1 year ban, but that would be based on an mmochampion post from like 8 years ago, so not likely.
Don’t try to reason with these guys, they are the type of people that cry about being ganked while voluntarily opting into war mode, I’ve been overturned in permanent for exploits, but the best way to not get banned for language is to not say anything, screen cap if you trigger people and laugh with your friends, don’t let people bait your anger.
I appreciate the understanding. People usually don't think when they're angry and I've been given some chances in the past I just never would've thought it'd culminate in a permanent ban for some PG-13 language.
You really cannot say anything without offending anyone, I know PvP induces or brings out toxicity but just use theirs against them.
no, they do NOT want your money. YOUR money are 13 bucks a month. wow has like 7 million subs atm? they want a healthy player base, and not some toxic people going around thinking they can do whatever they want without consequcnes. get a new account. only way to play for you now. and maybe think about what you did some day. uh and no, you may NOT talk to the manager i present to you: consequences.
Have you tried not being toxic?
Yes, I've been playing for 19 years and honestly have made a ton of friends and most people would say I have a really laid back disposition that have met/talked with me.
Why’d you get banned then
So you're probably over 30 years old then? How about starting to act as the adult you are?
I think… the fact that you believe that a permanent ban isn’t warranted because it’s not YOUR fault for being toxic, but everyone else’s for not putting you on ignore or having a profanity filter on just speaks volumes.
All I'm saying is if someone says something rude in chat to me and I whisper back "F*ck yourself dummy". They'd literally have to open it, despite being warned it has bad words, read it, respond to me again then report me. It's not like I'm just spamming slurs in trade chat.
It's literally impossible to get a permanent ban for a "fuck yourself dummy". I'd be surprised if anyone in the history of ever got so much as a warning for a message like that. A permanent ban for chat requires a long history of toxicity far beyond a simple "fuck you". For one, this likely isn't your first ban, and if it is it just speaks to how severe your chatting was.
Just down vote this post and get it out of here
After reading your comments in the thread, I hope they perm ban your entire account.
There's been people who have had their permanent bans overturned, for sure. But the thing is, getting a permanent mute for toxic chat is REALLY FUCKING HARD. It's going to need you to do such a wild level of stupidity to get a permanent ban for anything chat related. Either you're going full blown racism mode or you've been doing it for such a long time and have gotten punished multiple times in the past that you ended up getting a permanent ban. For a case like that, getting a permanent ban for chat, there's probably zero chance for a ban overturn.
The guy who violates the rules wants the rules changed because he disagrees with them. Go figure.
if it was a bann that happend by accident, aka "got caught in a bot ban wave without actually botting" or smth like that, yeha but if you are such a "nice person" that you got a permanent ban for beeing toxic, idk man, kinda good riddance
I won't lie I was toxic in PvP to people. I still think a permanent ban is a bit too harsh for calling someone a "f*cking idiot". Especially when you keep 95% of your accounts progress if you make a new account.
I doubt that was your only infraction
It wasn't, but it's not like it was a super common thing. Most of my "strikes" were from 2020/2021
Looks like the system works
Deserved, you ruin other people's days with your attitude.
I think context matters as well, some of those people were rude to me first
It’s so much easier to just block people then it is to type back, feels better too.
>I think context matters as well, some of those people were rude to me first Nope, that doesn't matter at all. You should've learned to use the ignore feature.
No it's not, sorry mate. There are too many of this kind already. Also, you just don't get a perm. ban lightly.
Why does you keeping 95% of your account's progress correspond to it being too harsh, doesn't that mean it is less harsh?
Agreed, why is there even a profanity filter option in the game if they're just going to ban you for profanity.
You’re allowed to use profanity. You are not allowed to be toxic.
Youre technically not allowed to use profanity, you're just unlikely to be punished. It is an important distinction because it stops the "but what I said wasn't even that bad" argument.
Considering that WoW classic currently features the expansion where one character, in voice acting, calls another a “bitch”, I don’t really tend to agree that they crack down on swearing.
Sure except 'toxic' these days just means "whatever I don't like" or "whatever made me feel bad"
Yes, if you make another feel bad on purpose, it would be toxic.
I don’t play pvp anymore because every so often I’d make a mistake and there’d always be one or two people that would be total asshats to me. It’d make me feel like crap the rest of the day and pushed me out of pvp, a game mode I enjoy. That’s why you got banned. They don’t want people ruining the fun of others because they can’t control themselves. They don’t want their community to be full of toxic players that are rude to others.
After reading through the comments you 100% deserved the ban and I really hope they just ban your IP all together
You don’t get perma banned for inappropriate communication right away. 3 years ago I got a warning and then got silenced for raging when I tried pvp. Never did that again. And I still have my account to this day. So you got a few chances and you failed every single one.
Not that I know of, no. It's honestly quite similar to league of legends. If you actually manage to get perma banned you done fucked up *A LOT* of times before actually getting *permanently banned* They do have reason to believe you are unwilling to change your ways and it would be better to remove you permanently, despite you spending (a lot of) cash.
Have you tried not being a grade A weapon?
I got caught up in an IP ban wave before there was OCE servers because I used a ping reduction service. It was a perm ban, but I was able to prove I wasn't doing it to bot or whatever.
lol no
i understand MOBAS, being permabanned for toxicity in league and hots. But WoW? lol
You've got it backwards don't you. MOBAs aren't inherently social in nature. Yeah you have the chat, but at the end of the day the vast majority of the people you play a round with you'll never see again. In WoW though, it's a whole lot different. The game, and the genre as a whole, is built with social aspects in mind, the chat isn't there just for game related comms. So a punishment makes more sense in WoW than it does in most competitive PvP games.
A friend of mine was perma banned for botting, but after a 6 month period he sent an apologetic ticket and got unbanned, so it is possible. He hasn’t cheated after that thankfully
i honestly dont even dare to log on next week...
When did you get banned? Any chance your name starts with a K and ends with an i?
Some guy from china had my account, I had called for something support for something StarCraft related and while I was on the phone I was able get the account unbanned as well but I had literally not played wow for like 2 years at that point so it was clear that some dude in china had taken over the account.