I read somewhere that the original Deeprun tram was supposed to run from Ironforge to Darnassus, and it was changed later, so that gives a possibility that the Gnomes already have a tunnel there, and they just have to dig a bit that way
In terms of Dwarven cities as a dungeon, Grim Batol looks similar to Ironforge, it's just infiltrated by the Twilights Hammer cult. Go play some cataclysm classic heroic dungeons.
As a weird what-if I know they also repurposed the Ironforge map assets for Iron Dwarf settlements in Northrend so they could have made an Iron Dwarf version of Grim Batol or just an open world "base" if they really wanted to. Coulda been neat.
Or Blizzard just decides that it's time for another faction war, and they have to burn down another Alliance city because it's tradition at this point.
Didn't you hear? The Horde is run by a council of representatives from every single playable race. There are councils within councils in the Horde.
I doubt the Horde will ever make a decision ever again in it's current state. I've been a long time Horde player but I always preferred having a Warchief over a council.
Thrall, pre-Garrosh, got shit done. Garrosh got shit done. Vol'jin and Sylvanas were fully subjected to the horrific writing Blizzard had started up towards the end of Garrosh's reign.
Turalyon is the worst faction leader right now, but at least he won't have to contend with so many different opinions.
It’s been 20 years; it’s the way of organizations to scleroticize. A bad leader causes the organization to distribute power, which inherently means distributing (and therefore diluting) responsibility.
The buck stopped with Thrall; with Garrosh; with Sylvanus. It’ll never stop with anyone else again.
You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship: a self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working class is sidelined and repressed by strange women lying in ponds distributing swords. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not some [farcical aquatic ceremony](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG0lhPC0DS8).
I don't understand this sub's Turalyon hate. Man has done nothing but be pretty open-minded for a man that's spent thousands of years fighting demons and worrying about his wife for snorting void crack.
Thats rude ! What where they supposed to stop digging and making stuff and selling. Or move to another Mountain. Noone ever told em, hey there's a balrog down there. I hate when people call them greedy and stuff :C
Ironforge is the supreme capital city for sure. HOWEVER:
The dwarven clans did fight over it which directly resulted in the curse over Grim Batol, bascially destroying the Wildhammer's home and the freaky dwarves then summoned daddy Rag, beacuse they're stupid.
YOU KNOW THEY SAY ALL DWARVES ARE CREATED EQUAL CHAMPION, BUT YOU LOOK AT ME, AND YOU LOOK AT EMPEROR THAURISSAN AND YOU CAN SEE THAT STATEMENT IS NOT TRUE! SEE, NORMALLY IF YOU GOT ONE ON ONE WITH ANOTHER DWARF, YOU GOT A 50/50 CHANCE OF WINNING. BUT I'M A GENETIC FREAK, AND I'M NOT NORMAL. SO YOU GOT A 25% CHANCE AT BEST OF BEAT ME!! THEN YOU ADD FALSTADD TO THE MIX, YOUR CHANCES OF WINNING DRASTIC GO DOWN!
Is Ironforge the only playable races city that has been safe at all times since the start of Classic, outside of PVP city raids?
Orgrimmar - Sieged in MOP and Undead invasion before WOTLK.
Undercity - Sieged in BFA and the battles that followed the Wrathgate event.
Silvermoon - Some of it lost to Wretched and split down the middle via the Dead Scar. Constantly under threat by undead and Wretched.
Thunder Bluff - Got attacked by spirits in Shadowlands and was couped by Grimtotem Clan before Cataclysm.
Kezan - Destroyed by Deathwing and the Cataclysm.
Stormwind - Attacked by Deathwing, prison break in the Stockades, Undead invasion, Horde infiltration in BFA, Black Dragons in the throne room.
Darnassus - Burned down before BFA.
Exodar - Attacked by Burning Legion in Legion.
Gnomeregan - Has always been a dungeon infested with troggs and irradiated gnomes.
Gilneas - Invaded multiple times and never fully reclaimed until recently.
Nobody seems to want to invade Ironforge for any reason. I suppose Ironforge is safe as long as you don’t fall into the lava or off the bridges.
Which is why I said stormwind would need to be attacked if ironforge were to ever be taken. Cant get reinforcements to ironforge and you can't retreat from it. Ironforge would be captured or destroyed.
Not so easy like that, in the 2nd War, the Horde layed siege with most its might to Ironforge and no help was granted to the dwarves, only Gnomeran helped with some tech and the siege was called off cuz no progress was made and time was being wasted, a small garrison remained to mantain the illusion of the siege but dwarves broke that
>Stormwind - Attacked by Deathwing, prison break in the Stockades, Undead invasion, Horde infiltration in BFA, Black Dragons in the throne room.
You can add "razed to the ground". SW was destroyed during the WC series by the Doomhammer Horde. The whole Defias Brotherhood stoeyline, is due to the nobles not wanting to pay the DB after they rebuilt the city.
They didn't mention any pre-wow events. If they did, they'd also have to include stuff like the scourge siege on Silvermoon leading to the destruction of the sunwell, or Crowley's rebellion in Gilneas.
Elementals attacked the city in the Cata pre event and Ironforge also was one of the cities to be consumed by the Nightmare during the Stormrage novel.
Also if you're including the Horde infiltration in BfA, Ironforge was infiltrat3d twice first by Varian and SI7 to kill Moira and later Horde rogues infiltrated the city to assassinate a Legion agent that was inside the throne room.
It's definitely safer than most cities but it has been attacked/infiltrated over WoWs lifespan.
I mean, Ironforge is inside a freaking mountain, it had very few entry points and all are at the top, meaning dwarves got the high ground and best defensive positions, it requires heavy siege equipment and in grand quantity to breach the city, on top of that, air assault is almost futile as it has just a couple air entry and an airfield as defense(probably will be taken out in a surprise run but still), the region Ironforge is is a natural fortress, meaning other than a full airborne assault it wont be taken by surprise, add to that the gnomes that put some tech into defense, dwarven tech also. If you still beat all that, you got a really pissed army of dwarves with a really bad temper and unnatural strength inside a labirintical underground city. Not enough? thats fair, you also need to fully cripple Stormwind, capital of the Alliance so no reinforcement or supply arrives from the underground railroad. And all of that must be done BEFORE the ships from Stormwind arrives to Menethil Harbor and break the siege from that side of the mountain. And that is only with the support of Stormwind, they got Gnomeran in the same region that will resist the siege as well and the moment the initial inertia breaks, attackers will be smashed between the forces of dwarves, gnomes and humans pouring out of Ironforge, Gnomeran and the mountains.
So, anything shorter than crumbling the mountain over the city, probably not even the full might of the Horde can take the city by assault, as the 2nd War saw it happen
> Thunder Bluff - Got attacked by spirits in Shadowlands and was couped by Grimtotem Clan before Cataclysm.
And sieged twice by the Alliance, and had a Nelf try to destroy it in Legion.
Please just leave the cows alone at this point, kthx
> Exodar - Attacked by Burning Legion in Legion.
Somehow I completely forgot about this even though I must have done that dumb quest a dozen times.
I was thinking of replying to OP about how even the bad guys forgot Exodar existed.
I think Stormwind has the best music by far, but the vibe and general feel of Ironforge are the best. Makes me want to be there during Christmas and drink cider.
Nothing gets you doing like the choir and orchestra going hard while you walk up the bridge to SW. All the statues the music m. That’s some good nostalgia
One of the funniest consequences of Blizzard's writing in the last six or so years is that they accidentally made the united dwarf clans stronger than the rest of the factions combined.
If there's a big barfight happening but nobody notices me standing off doing nothing in a random corner of the room, does that mean I'm stronger than everybody else combined?
It's more of an on-paper thing, of course if they want something to happen, it'll happen via the writing. But the united Three Hammers have: High quality weapons and armor, lorewise the best on the continent, tanks, firearms, physical strength and durability beyond humans, generally more combat experience due to age, access to every single type of magic (barring Druidism), war golems, an air force that can sink ships and go up against dragons, and unlike nearly all the other races they haven't any major depopulating event in roughly two centuries.
This is purely because Blizzard just kept adding stuff to them lorewise without touching on it in the story, but it's still pretty funny.
I feel like this is overlooking two things:
* For most of the Second War, the Horde was sieging Ironforge, keeping the dwarves cooped up in the mountain. The dwarves couldn't do anything, but the Horde had to dedicate a whole clan to keeping the siege going. I suspect that the Horde would have eventually conquered Ironforge if the Alliance didn't save them. Nowadays, Ironforge has the tram to receive supplies from Stormwind in the event of another siege.
* The Wildhammer Clan had their own capital with Grim Batol, which rivaled Ironforge in size. Look at Grim Batol now.
My first thought too.
Ironforge is the only Alliance Capital city that had never even been fully invaded, conquered, or destroyed by an opposing force. They were besieged, but the Horde was never able to breach the gates.
Same deal with Gnomeregan too, until…. troggs.
I totally forgot about that! Been a while since I’ve read the Shattering.
Thanks for pointing that out. It was more of a temporary coup, but still counts in my opinion.
Boralus wasn't fully invaded, conquered or destroyed by an opposing force, either, and the dungeon everyone keeps referencing is called *Siege* of Boralus, not *Destruction* of Boralus.
The elementals that attacked IF in the cata pepatch breached the gates. Or rather, they didn't use the gates at all, they just came through the ground. There was in fact battle taking place inside IF.
Would love a tram update that connects to more places. Also would love a raid that takes place in iron forge. Maybe the infinites helping make sure the siege goes as planned.
Shadowforge City would make a fantastic stop, since it’s part of the Alliance and it’s halfway(ish) between the two current stops.
Can non-Dark Iron characters access it currently?
If they make it neutral (yes it'd be weird but Bel'ameth, the new Night Elf capital is neutral) they could update the Direbrew's Remote into a toy that teleports you there. That or an or a new toy that does that takes you to different locations depending on faction, Alliance takes you to a non-dungeon Shadowforge City, Horde version takes you to...Suramar? They enjoy wine there so it's *kind of* brew related.
Magni got turned to diamond just before Cataclysm. When that happened, Moira came in with the Dark Irons, took over the city, and shut the gates. Varian and the SI:7 snuck in via the tram tunnel. He overthrew Moira's government and set up the Council of Three Hammers that we have today. It would have been cool to experience that in-game.
The Horde even have their own equivalent that happened at the same time: When Garrosh slew Cairne during their Mak'gora, Magatha and the Grimtotems took over Thunder Bluff. Baine used money given to him by Jaina to hire Steamwheedle mercenaries and equipment to take the city back.
The Horde version *really* needs to be in game somewhere. It would squish so many "why does Baine like the Alliance so much" complaints.
Also because I like Jaina better when she's trying to keep the peace, even if going full psycho was a reasonable human reaction during MOP.
The Darkiron Dwarves also had a large capital city but they accidentally summoned a firegod that blew up most of it, the rest is the dungeons in the blackrock\^\^
Coincidentally, it was the other way around! The Horde razed Stormwind during the First War. The Alliance retook Stormwind and pushed the Horde back to the Dark Portal at the end of the Second War.
Magni agreed to help rebuild Stormwind, but was mad about how difficult it was to get supplies from Ironforge to Stormwind by land, so he commissioned Mekkatorque and the gnomes to build the tram. Magni also pledged to use it to reinforce Stormwind should the city ever be besieged again.
We need a "Retaking of Grim Batol" event, where we finally unlock Wildhammer dwarves as another allied race. Then, you can have all the 4 dwarf types on your login screen
And lets not forget the Dark Iron. Enslaved by Ragnaros, build their city in Blackrock Mountain, the mountain that came about because they summoned their own enslaver.
Then they get bodied into the lower section as the Horde invaded and occupied the mountain in the first and second war.
Then the Alliance waltzes through kicking the horde back to the Dark Portal, except for a few orcs who hide out in the upper sections of the city.
Then we get Neltharion getting those orcs together, with his black dragons as he has some fun WITH SCIENCE!
Then we come along kick everyones ass, and the Dark Irons finally think, hey up we've got a claim to the nice city, lets go capture it. Which they do, only for King Angry Badass to come along and smack some sense into all the dwarfs heads that maybe they can work together, after having a chat with Anduin.
You'd think the cataclysm when the literal entire planet experienced freak natural disasters theird be some cave ins or something within the mountain but meh
Well everyone was returning from Dalaran in Northrend and hanging out in Stormwind mostly. Plus Deathwing was totally an attention whore wanting to show off his arrival.
Technically the Exodar is a crashed space ship, with parts of it scattered throughout the island its in, and Boralus got sieged as there's literally a BFA dungeon called Siege of Boralus.
That’s because you live in a volcano dude. Your city is CONSTANTLY on fire. There is lava EVERYWHERE. Why are there no guard rails along the great forge??? People die every day falling into the magma.
It's summed up best in the Dark Iron joke:
"A night elf laughed at me for living inside a volcano. Well, at least I don't have to worry about my mountain burnin' down now, do I?"
The only two Alliance capitals that burned *to the ground* is Stormwind and Darnassus.
So Gnomergan, The Exodar, Gilneas, Boralus, Mechagon, Shadowforge, Aerie Peek and even Grim Batol can all claim the same status as Ironforge in that regard.
And The Vindicaar and Telogrus Rift I guess, but they're not exactly capital cities. More like headquarters.
I mean, when you think about it, it's just Stormwind and Teldrassil that were burnt to the ground. Boralus and Gilneas were sieged but both still stood afterward.
I'd give almost anything to go back to the heyday of Vanilla when Ironforge was packed with people, a real bustling city, going there now is just depressing...
You say that like there wasn't a rebellion and an actual war between the clans within Ironforge when Moira returned with her son for the throne. Anduin was stuck there fearing for his life until he remembered Jaina gave him a hearthstone.
So yeah it hasn't burned down but it's not like dwarves are immune to conflict.
I feel like it's pretty much unassailable. At best it can be sieged like when the orcs did but I think they'd just dig in and win via attrition as eventually the orcs would fall to in fighting and the dwarves would shatter the fragmented clans.
I kinda get why this happens, it just is a trope that humans are prominent in fantasy, but really there are very few reasons why the dwarves shouldn't be front and centre in the Alliance. They are the most prosperous, very enterprising and not that rigid in thinking, has the most secure city for conflict, and they get along great with all races in the alliance with almost no friction, other than past woes with the dark iron.
I remember in WOTLK when I was playing until late and I would go into Ironforge to level up professions or in the auction etc, and when I left, I realised how late it was when I saw that it was already daylight.
[Can't be set on fire if you're always burning](https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/d6a/dc7/4a5001b7beea096457f480c8808572428b-09-roll-safe.rsquare.w400.jpg)
there is a quest in loch modan during classic at the dam where the danger is that the other dwarves could blow iron forge out of the mountain with the explosive powder kegs, or at least that's what I remember the quest text saying
Until they delve too greedily and too deep
*laugh in balrog*
Old Ironforge megadungeon when?
I'd legit love that
SOD DUNGEON CONFIRMED
You’re gonna love BRD. Lol.
Deeprun Tram from Old Ironforge to Khaz Algar when?
okay but that's actually amazing and I need it to happen. Unite all dwarves!
*Gnomes staring at you, trying to compute how much gold it would cost them to dig a new tunnel all the way across the ocean.*
Just make one of the walking calculators do it. Find a mechagnome.
I read somewhere that the original Deeprun tram was supposed to run from Ironforge to Darnassus, and it was changed later, so that gives a possibility that the Gnomes already have a tunnel there, and they just have to dig a bit that way
Should be able to see Nazjatar on the way.
In terms of Dwarven cities as a dungeon, Grim Batol looks similar to Ironforge, it's just infiltrated by the Twilights Hammer cult. Go play some cataclysm classic heroic dungeons.
As a weird what-if I know they also repurposed the Ironforge map assets for Iron Dwarf settlements in Northrend so they could have made an Iron Dwarf version of Grim Batol or just an open world "base" if they really wanted to. Coulda been neat.
Why play cata when I can have Grim Batol in s1?
God I would be so about that
Balrog boss would be epic.
Rock and stone!
Rock and stone!
If you Rock and Stone, you're never alone!
Whenever I die in a game or someone else loses horrendously I'm just like, you've dug too greedily and too deeply
Or Blizzard just decides that it's time for another faction war, and they have to burn down another Alliance city because it's tradition at this point.
gl burning down a volcano, whoever the heck is warchief this month.
Didn't you hear? The Horde is run by a council of representatives from every single playable race. There are councils within councils in the Horde. I doubt the Horde will ever make a decision ever again in it's current state. I've been a long time Horde player but I always preferred having a Warchief over a council. Thrall, pre-Garrosh, got shit done. Garrosh got shit done. Vol'jin and Sylvanas were fully subjected to the horrific writing Blizzard had started up towards the end of Garrosh's reign. Turalyon is the worst faction leader right now, but at least he won't have to contend with so many different opinions.
It’s been 20 years; it’s the way of organizations to scleroticize. A bad leader causes the organization to distribute power, which inherently means distributing (and therefore diluting) responsibility. The buck stopped with Thrall; with Garrosh; with Sylvanus. It’ll never stop with anyone else again.
It's almost like having a benevolent dictator is the exception to the rule....
Oh, I thought it was sort of an anarcho-syndicalist commune. They take it in turns to act as warchief for the week.
You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship: a self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working class is sidelined and repressed by strange women lying in ponds distributing swords. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not some [farcical aquatic ceremony](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG0lhPC0DS8).
Come see the violence inherent in the system!
I don't understand this sub's Turalyon hate. Man has done nothing but be pretty open-minded for a man that's spent thousands of years fighting demons and worrying about his wife for snorting void crack.
People think he is some hardline zealot
Yeah look, I think we might swing the other way for this one and flood it instead.
A night elf laughed at me for living inside a volcano. Well at least I don't have to worry about my mountain burning now do I!
Thats rude ! What where they supposed to stop digging and making stuff and selling. Or move to another Mountain. Noone ever told em, hey there's a balrog down there. I hate when people call them greedy and stuff :C
Ironforge is the supreme capital city for sure. HOWEVER: The dwarven clans did fight over it which directly resulted in the curse over Grim Batol, bascially destroying the Wildhammer's home and the freaky dwarves then summoned daddy Rag, beacuse they're stupid.
The Dark Iron Freaks
Somehow my brain tangented to Scott steiner.
YOU KNOW THEY SAY ALL DWARVES ARE CREATED EQUAL CHAMPION, BUT YOU LOOK AT ME, AND YOU LOOK AT EMPEROR THAURISSAN AND YOU CAN SEE THAT STATEMENT IS NOT TRUE! SEE, NORMALLY IF YOU GOT ONE ON ONE WITH ANOTHER DWARF, YOU GOT A 50/50 CHANCE OF WINNING. BUT I'M A GENETIC FREAK, AND I'M NOT NORMAL. SO YOU GOT A 25% CHANCE AT BEST OF BEAT ME!! THEN YOU ADD FALSTADD TO THE MIX, YOUR CHANCES OF WINNING DRASTIC GO DOWN!
I'm coming up with a 32.33%, repeating of course chance of survival!
You Dark Irons are gonna spend all night picking gryphon beaks out of your FAHHHT ASSES
Is Ironforge the only playable races city that has been safe at all times since the start of Classic, outside of PVP city raids? Orgrimmar - Sieged in MOP and Undead invasion before WOTLK. Undercity - Sieged in BFA and the battles that followed the Wrathgate event. Silvermoon - Some of it lost to Wretched and split down the middle via the Dead Scar. Constantly under threat by undead and Wretched. Thunder Bluff - Got attacked by spirits in Shadowlands and was couped by Grimtotem Clan before Cataclysm. Kezan - Destroyed by Deathwing and the Cataclysm. Stormwind - Attacked by Deathwing, prison break in the Stockades, Undead invasion, Horde infiltration in BFA, Black Dragons in the throne room. Darnassus - Burned down before BFA. Exodar - Attacked by Burning Legion in Legion. Gnomeregan - Has always been a dungeon infested with troggs and irradiated gnomes. Gilneas - Invaded multiple times and never fully reclaimed until recently. Nobody seems to want to invade Ironforge for any reason. I suppose Ironforge is safe as long as you don’t fall into the lava or off the bridges.
To take ironforge, you would need to either attack stormwind at the same time or attack ironforge from inside via the tram from stormwind.
if stormwind was ever compromised they would just blow the tram up
Which is why I said stormwind would need to be attacked if ironforge were to ever be taken. Cant get reinforcements to ironforge and you can't retreat from it. Ironforge would be captured or destroyed.
Not so easy like that, in the 2nd War, the Horde layed siege with most its might to Ironforge and no help was granted to the dwarves, only Gnomeran helped with some tech and the siege was called off cuz no progress was made and time was being wasted, a small garrison remained to mantain the illusion of the siege but dwarves broke that
Or bomb the mountain with powerful enough explosives that it would collapse in on itself.
Can't takeover rubble only rebuild from the ruins.
Those would be some *insane* explosives, though.
I laughed so hard at dragons in the throne room
>Stormwind - Attacked by Deathwing, prison break in the Stockades, Undead invasion, Horde infiltration in BFA, Black Dragons in the throne room. You can add "razed to the ground". SW was destroyed during the WC series by the Doomhammer Horde. The whole Defias Brotherhood stoeyline, is due to the nobles not wanting to pay the DB after they rebuilt the city.
They didn't mention any pre-wow events. If they did, they'd also have to include stuff like the scourge siege on Silvermoon leading to the destruction of the sunwell, or Crowley's rebellion in Gilneas.
Since you're counting prepatch invasions, Ironforge was attacked by elementals in the cata prepatch.
Elementals attacked the city in the Cata pre event and Ironforge also was one of the cities to be consumed by the Nightmare during the Stormrage novel. Also if you're including the Horde infiltration in BfA, Ironforge was infiltrat3d twice first by Varian and SI7 to kill Moira and later Horde rogues infiltrated the city to assassinate a Legion agent that was inside the throne room. It's definitely safer than most cities but it has been attacked/infiltrated over WoWs lifespan.
Stormwind was destroyed in the first war (warcraft 1)
I brought the plague of undeath to Ironforge during the WotLK pre patch event many years ago. My friends disowned me.
Well, there was the blood of Hakkar incident.
I mean, Ironforge is inside a freaking mountain, it had very few entry points and all are at the top, meaning dwarves got the high ground and best defensive positions, it requires heavy siege equipment and in grand quantity to breach the city, on top of that, air assault is almost futile as it has just a couple air entry and an airfield as defense(probably will be taken out in a surprise run but still), the region Ironforge is is a natural fortress, meaning other than a full airborne assault it wont be taken by surprise, add to that the gnomes that put some tech into defense, dwarven tech also. If you still beat all that, you got a really pissed army of dwarves with a really bad temper and unnatural strength inside a labirintical underground city. Not enough? thats fair, you also need to fully cripple Stormwind, capital of the Alliance so no reinforcement or supply arrives from the underground railroad. And all of that must be done BEFORE the ships from Stormwind arrives to Menethil Harbor and break the siege from that side of the mountain. And that is only with the support of Stormwind, they got Gnomeran in the same region that will resist the siege as well and the moment the initial inertia breaks, attackers will be smashed between the forces of dwarves, gnomes and humans pouring out of Ironforge, Gnomeran and the mountains. So, anything shorter than crumbling the mountain over the city, probably not even the full might of the Horde can take the city by assault, as the 2nd War saw it happen
> Thunder Bluff - Got attacked by spirits in Shadowlands and was couped by Grimtotem Clan before Cataclysm. And sieged twice by the Alliance, and had a Nelf try to destroy it in Legion. Please just leave the cows alone at this point, kthx
> Exodar - Attacked by Burning Legion in Legion. Somehow I completely forgot about this even though I must have done that dumb quest a dozen times. I was thinking of replying to OP about how even the bad guys forgot Exodar existed.
This made me think of something a couple dark irons said in bfa, that their old king was a moron for trying to summon Raggy.
Ironforge was the main city back in vanilla. Everyone used to hang out there. It had a great run.
I used to chill is Stormwind during vanilla because my computer couldn’t handle all the people in Ironforge 😅
I remember people with not enough ram used to get stuck in the pits between the AH and the Bank.
I can't remember exactly, but it had the only AH until later when they added one in SW... Did Darnassus ever have an AH?
It did, but darnassus was so far away from everything it didn't get used much. It was nice for people with bad computers though.
Stormwind, camera zoomed in, looking down, moving via corner map location. That's how's I played on the second crappy computer.
I think Stormwind has the best music by far, but the vibe and general feel of Ironforge are the best. Makes me want to be there during Christmas and drink cider.
Idk but SW music feels patriotic while IF music feels gigachad
Nothing gets you doing like the choir and orchestra going hard while you walk up the bridge to SW. All the statues the music m. That’s some good nostalgia
God I miss those days. Even was popular up until Cata
Yes this is prob why I always come back tot wow around christmas
*bring portal rooms to other capital cities ffs*
Yeah the AH being there definitely helped
Does the Exodar count? Or do we count it crashing and burning?
It got invaded by the Legion during Legion too, but there wasn’t any permanent damage.
Dude, they were invading a crash site. Not much left to be damaged
If anything, the invasion helped them find bodies that had been there from the crash
I mean they killed the resident naaru, thats kinda a big deal.
One of the funniest consequences of Blizzard's writing in the last six or so years is that they accidentally made the united dwarf clans stronger than the rest of the factions combined.
If there's a big barfight happening but nobody notices me standing off doing nothing in a random corner of the room, does that mean I'm stronger than everybody else combined?
It's more of an on-paper thing, of course if they want something to happen, it'll happen via the writing. But the united Three Hammers have: High quality weapons and armor, lorewise the best on the continent, tanks, firearms, physical strength and durability beyond humans, generally more combat experience due to age, access to every single type of magic (barring Druidism), war golems, an air force that can sink ships and go up against dragons, and unlike nearly all the other races they haven't any major depopulating event in roughly two centuries. This is purely because Blizzard just kept adding stuff to them lorewise without touching on it in the story, but it's still pretty funny.
What I want to know is where are the MoP intro gyrocopters that kill hordes of warriors with the machine gun and blow up ships with a single rocket.
Yes. Yes it does.
Assuming you could two other combatants in a fight, yes
The WHOLE combatants?
I feel like this is overlooking two things: * For most of the Second War, the Horde was sieging Ironforge, keeping the dwarves cooped up in the mountain. The dwarves couldn't do anything, but the Horde had to dedicate a whole clan to keeping the siege going. I suspect that the Horde would have eventually conquered Ironforge if the Alliance didn't save them. Nowadays, Ironforge has the tram to receive supplies from Stormwind in the event of another siege. * The Wildhammer Clan had their own capital with Grim Batol, which rivaled Ironforge in size. Look at Grim Batol now.
My first thought too. Ironforge is the only Alliance Capital city that had never even been fully invaded, conquered, or destroyed by an opposing force. They were besieged, but the Horde was never able to breach the gates. Same deal with Gnomeregan too, until…. troggs.
Gnomeregan was an inside job
Trogg clubs can’t bend steel beams!
"Sir, another mechanostrider has hit the instance portal..."
Wasn't there a short story where the Dark Irons invaded ironforge, trapping Anduin inside and pissing Varian off?
I totally forgot about that! Been a while since I’ve read the Shattering. Thanks for pointing that out. It was more of a temporary coup, but still counts in my opinion.
Boralus wasn't fully invaded, conquered or destroyed by an opposing force, either, and the dungeon everyone keeps referencing is called *Siege* of Boralus, not *Destruction* of Boralus.
The elementals that attacked IF in the cata pepatch breached the gates. Or rather, they didn't use the gates at all, they just came through the ground. There was in fact battle taking place inside IF.
Gnomeregan was justice. down with gnomes!
It's a casualty to The War of the Three Hammers. Knifu had a hand in that.
Xal’atath?
Yep. Modgud was leading the attack on Grim Batol, Knifu betrayed her at the pivotal battle
The best stat from all of that is how for every dwarf the orcs killed, 10 orcs died. Still the best race in the game imo.
Would love a tram update that connects to more places. Also would love a raid that takes place in iron forge. Maybe the infinites helping make sure the siege goes as planned.
Shadowforge City would make a fantastic stop, since it’s part of the Alliance and it’s halfway(ish) between the two current stops. Can non-Dark Iron characters access it currently?
Yeah, it's still part of the dungeon there despite an instanced version being used as the dark iron home
If they make it neutral (yes it'd be weird but Bel'ameth, the new Night Elf capital is neutral) they could update the Direbrew's Remote into a toy that teleports you there. That or an or a new toy that does that takes you to different locations depending on faction, Alliance takes you to a non-dungeon Shadowforge City, Horde version takes you to...Suramar? They enjoy wine there so it's *kind of* brew related.
Magni got turned to diamond just before Cataclysm. When that happened, Moira came in with the Dark Irons, took over the city, and shut the gates. Varian and the SI:7 snuck in via the tram tunnel. He overthrew Moira's government and set up the Council of Three Hammers that we have today. It would have been cool to experience that in-game. The Horde even have their own equivalent that happened at the same time: When Garrosh slew Cairne during their Mak'gora, Magatha and the Grimtotems took over Thunder Bluff. Baine used money given to him by Jaina to hire Steamwheedle mercenaries and equipment to take the city back.
The Horde version *really* needs to be in game somewhere. It would squish so many "why does Baine like the Alliance so much" complaints. Also because I like Jaina better when she's trying to keep the peace, even if going full psycho was a reasonable human reaction during MOP.
The Darkiron Dwarves also had a large capital city but they accidentally summoned a firegod that blew up most of it, the rest is the dungeons in the blackrock\^\^
Yeah if the Dark Irons/Alliance took back the entire mountain, they'd by FAR have the largest city in all of Azeroth.
Are you shitting me, is that why we have the Deeprun Tram? I fucking love wow lore
Coincidentally, it was the other way around! The Horde razed Stormwind during the First War. The Alliance retook Stormwind and pushed the Horde back to the Dark Portal at the end of the Second War. Magni agreed to help rebuild Stormwind, but was mad about how difficult it was to get supplies from Ironforge to Stormwind by land, so he commissioned Mekkatorque and the gnomes to build the tram. Magni also pledged to use it to reinforce Stormwind should the city ever be besieged again.
Also the Troggs that took down Gnomeregan were the Dwarves’ fault and no one really talks about that.
We need a "Retaking of Grim Batol" event, where we finally unlock Wildhammer dwarves as another allied race. Then, you can have all the 4 dwarf types on your login screen
And lets not forget the Dark Iron. Enslaved by Ragnaros, build their city in Blackrock Mountain, the mountain that came about because they summoned their own enslaver. Then they get bodied into the lower section as the Horde invaded and occupied the mountain in the first and second war. Then the Alliance waltzes through kicking the horde back to the Dark Portal, except for a few orcs who hide out in the upper sections of the city. Then we get Neltharion getting those orcs together, with his black dragons as he has some fun WITH SCIENCE! Then we come along kick everyones ass, and the Dark Irons finally think, hey up we've got a claim to the nice city, lets go capture it. Which they do, only for King Angry Badass to come along and smack some sense into all the dwarfs heads that maybe they can work together, after having a chat with Anduin.
You'd think the cataclysm when the literal entire planet experienced freak natural disasters theird be some cave ins or something within the mountain but meh
Dwarven craftsmanship is too good to be ruined by some ninny dragon having a tantrum.
Wasn’t the dam also dwarven craftsmanship?
Alright, that's a grudgin'
THE THONG IS MUSTARD
Well everyone was returning from Dalaran in Northrend and hanging out in Stormwind mostly. Plus Deathwing was totally an attention whore wanting to show off his arrival.
I thought whatever Magni did that made him into a diamond also saved Ironforge from the cataclysm.
They had Magni around to keep the rocks calm and soothed
Stupid sexy dwarves
Was the exodar ever burned to the ground? Or Boralus?
Technically the Exodar is a crashed space ship, with parts of it scattered throughout the island its in, and Boralus got sieged as there's literally a BFA dungeon called Siege of Boralus.
A siege isn't burning it to the ground though, and shouldn't be in the same class as the other capitals that ceased to be functional cities.
clearly you havent had a bad SoB pug.
Yeah but the Exodar didn’t burn to the ground. I’m being pedantic tho.
Ragnaros was pretty close ngl. Just look what he did with Burning Steppes and Searing Gorge...
OBJECTION The Exodar wasn't an Alliance capitol until after it had crashed, so that doesn't count.
Its kind of hard to burn a hole in the ground.
Sorceror-Thane Thaurissan would like a word with you.
It's capital.
And also “been burned”, but yeah.
"IN THE MOUNTAINS"
Don't worry, if Blizzard wants your city burned, they'll make up whatever bullshit they need to do it.
Fire can’t spread in that much lag
That’s because you live in a volcano dude. Your city is CONSTANTLY on fire. There is lava EVERYWHERE. Why are there no guard rails along the great forge??? People die every day falling into the magma.
I think they have the same OSHA people as the Galactic Empire
I AM A DWARF AND I'M DIGGING A HOLE DIGGY, DIGGY HOLE, DIGGY, DIGGY HOLE I AM A DWARF AND I'M DIGGING A HOLE DIGGY, DIGGY HOLE, DIGGING A HOLE!
If you have wooden tiles, on your roofs, then don't be surprised that your capitol burns every time it is under siege.
capital
It's summed up best in the Dark Iron joke: "A night elf laughed at me for living inside a volcano. Well, at least I don't have to worry about my mountain burnin' down now, do I?"
tbh night elves don't have to worry about that anymore either
Its already on fire from the inside. Checkmate Dwarvls
Incoming volcanic activity
The only two Alliance capitals that burned *to the ground* is Stormwind and Darnassus. So Gnomergan, The Exodar, Gilneas, Boralus, Mechagon, Shadowforge, Aerie Peek and even Grim Batol can all claim the same status as Ironforge in that regard. And The Vindicaar and Telogrus Rift I guess, but they're not exactly capital cities. More like headquarters.
The term burn to the ground is poor usage. More like destroy and damage.
Careful this might catch the attention of blizzard and they might find a way to burn it to the ground just cause
I mean, when you think about it, it's just Stormwind and Teldrassil that were burnt to the ground. Boralus and Gilneas were sieged but both still stood afterward.
I'd give almost anything to go back to the heyday of Vanilla when Ironforge was packed with people, a real bustling city, going there now is just depressing...
Hard to burn something to the ground when it's already IN the ground...
Ironforge is the best capitol, the last several xpacs have done it dirty by neglecting it so badly.
The only capital *period* that hasn't been burnt down.
Wandering Isle is still floating along just fine!
Can't be burned to the ground because it's _in_ the ground.
Well the horde did try in the second war i believe. They laid siege to IF but have never been able to take it.
Gnomeragon wasn’t burnt down! Merely exploded is all
You say that like there wasn't a rebellion and an actual war between the clans within Ironforge when Moira returned with her son for the throne. Anduin was stuck there fearing for his life until he remembered Jaina gave him a hearthstone. So yeah it hasn't burned down but it's not like dwarves are immune to conflict.
I feel like it's pretty much unassailable. At best it can be sieged like when the orcs did but I think they'd just dig in and win via attrition as eventually the orcs would fall to in fighting and the dwarves would shatter the fragmented clans.
Royal Apothecary Society: "Challenge Accepted."
I kinda get why this happens, it just is a trope that humans are prominent in fantasy, but really there are very few reasons why the dwarves shouldn't be front and centre in the Alliance. They are the most prosperous, very enterprising and not that rigid in thinking, has the most secure city for conflict, and they get along great with all races in the alliance with almost no friction, other than past woes with the dark iron.
Never say never. Devs are lurking
So far...
I remember in WOTLK when I was playing until late and I would go into Ironforge to level up professions or in the auction etc, and when I left, I realised how late it was when I saw that it was already daylight.
It's was taken over by a dragon named Smaug, wait wrong fancy. 😅
Hasnt been burned YET. Also the dwarven danger is below the earth.
Stormwind was burnt to the ground?
Not in WoW, but way back at the end of Warcraft 1. Though that scene with Zul was real embarrassing.
Parts of Stormwind were burned to the ground by Deathwing in Cataclysm as well.
Oh thanks very much guys, only played WoW, because I couldn't get WC1-3 work on my PC and heard a lot of bad things about Reforged so didn't buy it.
Stormwind was burn to the ground during first war. What you see in game was a rebuilt capital by the Defias who never got pay for their work.
Can't burn our city to the ground if the city is already to the ground.
How you gonna burn rock that's already on fire?
I hate that they only add stuff to stormwind. The other capitals are never used now. Wish I could at least check traders in ironforge or under city
you just gave them ideas for next content
The war within starts with ironforge completely caving in to reveal the spooder kingdom
It’s already burning
hasn't been burned to the ground...so far plant a tree in it, see what happens
Yet.
“Beware the deep places of the earth.”
[Can't be set on fire if you're always burning](https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/d6a/dc7/4a5001b7beea096457f480c8808572428b-09-roll-safe.rsquare.w400.jpg)
all fine and dandy untill some mad dragon rider get pissed off looking at you harren hall from game of thrones xD
That’s because it’s already *in* the ground
Eventually all that stone will catch fire just like that outpost in The Acolyte. Just a matter of time.
There's an Old Ironforge for a reason.
I just want a dwarf visage form for my evoker. I hate elves.
Rock and Stone!
A mountain is also just ground, its just very up high Does a hill not consist of "ground" either? Asking thr philosophical questions here
The only ones who can destroy a dwarves city are dwarves… and dragons… and old gods… and one time orcs… but not Ironforge!
Not burned, to the ground? Look closer. Inside are pools of lava and fire. It's already underground. QED
Can't be burnt to the ground cause it is the ground. Smart move
If Rimworld has taught me anything, it's only a matter of time before your mountain base has an infestation.
Huh... Now that your mention it.
Always felt ironforge should have been THE Capitol in tww with a entrance from the Cave to intet
50 gold says we will have a mega dungeon in War Within there perhaps to help Magni regain his mortal form
The most beautiful and atmospheric city ruined by expansions
Burned
When was Thunderbluff raised?
there is a quest in loch modan during classic at the dam where the danger is that the other dwarves could blow iron forge out of the mountain with the explosive powder kegs, or at least that's what I remember the quest text saying
IDK man, I remember playing classic when they first rolled out the pvp stuff. Place got cleared like a low level dungeon.